I don’t really reveal much of the Tour Read System here because I’m not allowed to teach the on course system online. But to use it, I walk off the distance of the putt do a math equation for a one percent slope then I read the slope from the side because 85% of all golfers can learn to see slope that way the other 15 can learn to see it standing on the line. then I do some simple math to make an adjustment for more or less than one percent of slope then another simple adjustment for appeal, downhill and greens faster or slower than the baseline. That gives me a number that is the exact number of inches outside the pan. It looks like I’m just walking around and reading the Green. But I’m doing the math in my head. And that is the magic of the Tour Read system and it works precisely, no guessing.
I have 'Liked' many Mr. One Putt videos over the years, but I'm really not sure about this one. Unless I missed it, he doesn't say anything about the new method other than quickly flashing a shot of the phone app and the example putt at the end of the video does not seem to use any different technique than any normal golfer would use. What am I missing here?
Fair criticism. I have posted a video of the Tour Read system previously. I’m not allowed to share the math and the on course system online, but basically you walk off the distance of the putt and then there’s a math equation based on that distance and the percentage of slope that you’ve learned to read through the app and then there’s a math addition or subtraction for uphill downhill and another percentage of addition or subtraction for the speed of the greens being faster or slower and that tells me exactly how many inches right or left. One of the things I love most. Is it feels very much like a very traditional green reading method except for you’re seeing the exact slope and doing math so it’s not a guess or a feel it’s exact.
@@esoteridactyl exactly per app creator I can teach it live in person, but not fully and completely online. That is the agreement that I’m under with them as a certified coach.
I’ll teach a similar method that works better without an App because you calibrate it at the practice green for the golf course you are playing. I don’t charge for it but if I list it here someone will…so I won’t
@@misteroneputt why is there a yearly fee if once you learn the math you don't need the app? I have a level app on my phone I use in practice to get the slope and % uphill or downhill already and use Aimpoit with my fingers now. I 1 putt about every 4 holes, 2 putt the remainder and 3 putt maybe every other 18 now. That is thanks to watching your videos, so thanks.
Just so I fully understand, your message here is that your experience with Tour Read has educated/trained you to be able to "see" all 3: the slope, the break, and the green speed so accurately that you don't need to use it. Right? That's exciting since I purchased Tour Read based on this.
Something I saw in the app reviews is that you have to make sure you have an iPhone case that makes the back of the phone level, placing a phone with no case on the ground will not be level because of the camera bump
Not exactly. Yes a phone case might cause it to be not level. But there’s a function where you put your phone on a surface you know to be level and calibrate it. So that solves the problem. You would have to recalibrate if you changed phone cases
I've always used that method. I never had a name for it. It works for me about 50 pct. Of the time. I seldom 3 putt now, but I would like to eliminate more 2 putts.
Not really. The purpose of the app is to teach you the system and establish speed during warm up. You use the app in warm up or practice to learn and practice. The only use of the app during the round is if you choose to check after putts to see if you read slope correctly
So hitting a putt on a practice green where you give lessons is supposed to prove to us that the system works? No. Not only that, but everything you said sounds like reading a putt the old fashioned way. 1. Find the drains. That's where the water goes so that is where your ball wants to go. 2. Is it up or down hill. 3. Pick a spot to the side and then in front of or behind the hole. 4. Forget the hole. Hit to your spot and let gravity do it's job. Also, I have found that a tri-line putter and tri-line ball help a lot. Once the ball is down and you like the line, all you have to do is think of speed. If the speed is correct, it's a two putt at worst.
I certainly do putt often on this green but the holes are moved regularly. You make a valid point. Problem with this video is my agreement with Tour Read says I cannot share the on course method and math online. One of the things I love is that this method adds exact math to the common sense old fashioned method. If I know the distance and green speed and can read slope side to side and uphill downhill hill I can quickly calculate exactly how many inches right or left of the pin to start the ball. That is the advantage. It takes what we already know and gives a method to quantify it exactly. The proof would be the number of tour players and caddies using this method and the fact that Ralph Bauer, who created this method is the putting coach for the leaders in strokes gained putting on tour almost every week and for 3 of the last 4 weeks.
I went to their site. They want $99 per year for an app, which sounds like nothing more than a level, and access to some math formula. I’m betting it’s something that could be taught in a video or two. But then how would someone make all that money. No thanks.
It would take about 10 videos to teach and yes it’s a little pricey. The app is incredibly more complex than a level but I certainly understand your sentiment.
@@misteroneputt I can't figure out the difference between Tour Read and something like the Green Slope which measures the slope and gives you the estimated break. I have to figure out the stint, but that's pretty easy with a few test putts. I agree that the finger system of aimpoint is really suspect. However, I'm also pretty skeptical most people are good enough to aim 14" vs. 17" inches right from 10 feet away. I'm working on a pretty good solution for that though.
@@-Thunder I agree. The biggest difference is Tour Read gives an exact distance for an aiming point or start line IF you’ve read the slope uphill downhill correctly and know the green speed. Also Ralph Bauer from Tour read has players he coaches in the top 2 or 3 in Strokes gained putting every week
I understand. But, the device does several things. 1. It teaches you to read the amount of slope 2. It gives you a way to check your read of slope on the practice green or on the course AFTER you putt in a casual round with friends. This helps you get good at reading the amount of slope. 3. Once you have the distance and slope known there is simple math to know exact inches left or right of the pin to aim. The device teaches you to apply the info and yes it is different making the read in real life vs using the device. No doubt. It helps. Think of it this way. The device gives you the info at first. Then you switch it to practice mode and it teaches you to get the info. Applying the info is the same in real life as it is in practice.
@@misteroneputt I use Aiming Point and I practice with an electronic inclinometer and it lets me know how accurate my reading is and provides me with the correct slope. I think this is only beneficial for those who want to practice reading the break with their eyes.
That actually helps quite a bit. Real issue here in Nevada is with the elevation changes, many courses refuse to allow walking. And in my community, lots of people can barely walk back and forth to the cart, but still enjoy playing. Your point however isn't wrong.
You said…Tour Read allows for the speed of the greens…. How do you NOT understand that is exactly what Aim Point does too. Just stop. Use Aim Point. You will put better.
@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb This is not a paid endorsement. Not shady at all. I received no compensation from Tour Read If you’ve watched any of my videos I’m always very open in disclosing whether it’s a paid promotion or not.
@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb Because I'm honest and Ethical.I purchased his product and used it and believe in it. I approached him and obtained permission to do a TH-cam video on it. He said yes and offers my subscribers a discount. I do not receive any compensation. Tour Read's creator asked me not to disclose his on course method online. That is his proprietary property. HE makes money which he has in my opinion earned by creating this method. For me to buy it and then share it online is stealing income from him that he could make by selling his system. My subscribers win with a discount. He wins with sales of his product. I win with quality content that helps golfers. I also win when people come to me for lessons to learn this system which many have.
I don’t really reveal much of the Tour Read System here because I’m not allowed to teach the on course system online. But to use it, I walk off the distance of the putt do a math equation for a one percent slope then I read the slope from the side because 85% of all golfers can learn to see slope that way the other 15 can learn to see it standing on the line. then I do some simple math to make an adjustment for more or less than one percent of slope then another simple adjustment for appeal, downhill and greens faster or slower than the baseline. That gives me a number that is the exact number of inches outside the pan. It looks like I’m just walking around and reading the Green. But I’m doing the math in my head. And that is the magic of the Tour Read system and it works precisely, no guessing.
I have 'Liked' many Mr. One Putt videos over the years, but I'm really not sure about this one. Unless I missed it, he doesn't say anything about the new method other than quickly flashing a shot of the phone app and the example putt at the end of the video does not seem to use any different technique than any normal golfer would use. What am I missing here?
Fair criticism. I have posted a video of the Tour Read system previously. I’m not allowed to share the math and the on course system online, but basically you walk off the distance of the putt and then there’s a math equation based on that distance and the percentage of slope that you’ve learned to read through the app and then there’s a math addition or subtraction for uphill downhill and another percentage of addition or subtraction for the speed of the greens being faster or slower and that tells me exactly how many inches right or left. One of the things I love most. Is it feels very much like a very traditional green reading method except for you’re seeing the exact slope and doing math so it’s not a guess or a feel it’s exact.
what youre missing is the technique is locked behind a $100 yearly app subscription so he can't just give it all away for free
@@esoteridactyl exactly per app creator I can teach it live in person, but not fully and completely online. That is the agreement that I’m under with them as a certified coach.
I’ll teach a similar method that works better without an App because you calibrate it at the practice green for the golf course you are playing. I don’t charge for it but if I list it here someone will…so I won’t
@@misteroneputt why is there a yearly fee if once you learn the math you don't need the app? I have a level app on my phone I use in practice to get the slope and % uphill or downhill already and use Aimpoit with my fingers now. I 1 putt about every 4 holes, 2 putt the remainder and 3 putt maybe every other 18 now. That is thanks to watching your videos, so thanks.
Just so I fully understand, your message here is that your experience with Tour Read has educated/trained you to be able to "see" all 3: the slope, the break, and the green speed so accurately that you don't need to use it. Right?
That's exciting since I purchased Tour Read based on this.
@@kennethgarrison521 Operative word there is “see”. I’d say “determine” and calculate But yes.
Something I saw in the app reviews is that you have to make sure you have an iPhone case that makes the back of the phone level, placing a phone with no case on the ground will not be level because of the camera bump
Not exactly. Yes a phone case might cause it to be not level. But there’s a function where you put your phone on a surface you know to be level and calibrate it. So that solves the problem. You would have to recalibrate if you changed phone cases
I've always used that method. I never had a name for it. It works for me about 50 pct. Of the time. I seldom 3 putt now, but I would like to eliminate more 2 putts.
Aim point is the best. Been using it for 10 years. Amazing system.
@@tessp100d4 it works incredibly well for lots of people
Also, I use the Arccos App and club sensors. I assume I would have to keep switching back and forth between apps to us it. Is that correct?
Not really. The purpose of the app is to teach you the system and establish speed during warm up. You use the app in warm up or practice to learn and practice. The only use of the app during the round is if you choose to check after putts to see if you read slope correctly
Is the app only for an Apple phone? I have a Samsung Android phone. I cannot find the app or any additional info about it,
It is currently only on Apple but coming on Android this month
Any update on "coming this month"?@@misteroneputt
So hitting a putt on a practice green where you give lessons is supposed to prove to us that the system works?
No.
Not only that, but everything you said sounds like reading a putt the old fashioned way.
1. Find the drains. That's where the water goes so that is where your ball wants to go.
2. Is it up or down hill.
3. Pick a spot to the side and then in front of or behind the hole.
4. Forget the hole. Hit to your spot and let gravity do it's job.
Also, I have found that a tri-line putter and tri-line ball help a lot. Once the ball is down and you like the line, all you have to do is think of speed. If the speed is correct, it's a two putt at worst.
I certainly do putt often on this green but the holes are moved regularly. You make a valid point. Problem with this video is my agreement with Tour Read says I cannot share the on course method and math online. One of the things I love is that this method adds exact math to the common sense old fashioned method. If I know the distance and green speed and can read slope side to side and uphill downhill hill I can quickly calculate exactly how many inches right or left of the pin to start the ball. That is the advantage. It takes what we already know and gives a method to quantify it exactly. The proof would be the number of tour players and caddies using this method and the fact that Ralph Bauer, who created this method is the putting coach for the leaders in strokes gained putting on tour almost every week and for 3 of the last 4 weeks.
Understand. It looks like how we read greens when walking
I went to their site. They want $99 per year for an app, which sounds like nothing more than a level, and access to some math formula. I’m betting it’s something that could be taught in a video or two. But then how would someone make all that money. No thanks.
It would take about 10 videos to teach and yes it’s a little pricey. The app is incredibly more complex than a level but I certainly understand your sentiment.
@@misteroneputt I can't figure out the difference between Tour Read and something like the Green Slope which measures the slope and gives you the estimated break. I have to figure out the stint, but that's pretty easy with a few test putts. I agree that the finger system of aimpoint is really suspect. However, I'm also pretty skeptical most people are good enough to aim 14" vs. 17" inches right from 10 feet away. I'm working on a pretty good solution for that though.
@@-Thunder I agree. The biggest difference is Tour Read gives an exact distance for an aiming point or start line IF you’ve read the slope uphill downhill correctly and know the green speed. Also Ralph Bauer from Tour read has players he coaches in the top 2 or 3 in Strokes gained putting every week
Confused? Using a device is one thing, but applying the info in a real life scenario is something completely different.
I understand. But, the device does several things. 1. It teaches you to read the amount of slope 2. It gives you a way to check your read of slope on the practice green or on the course AFTER you putt in a casual round with friends. This helps you get good at reading the amount of slope. 3. Once you have the distance and slope known there is simple math to know exact inches left or right of the pin to aim. The device teaches you to apply the info and yes it is different making the read in real life vs using the device. No doubt. It helps. Think of it this way. The device gives you the info at first. Then you switch it to practice mode and it teaches you to get the info. Applying the info is the same in real life as it is in practice.
@@misteroneputt I use Aiming Point and I practice with an electronic inclinometer and it lets me know how accurate my reading is and provides me with the correct slope. I think this is only beneficial for those who want to practice reading the break with their eyes.
Aim Point … is Aim Point Express. We just call it Aim Point. It’s the same thing.
Get rid of the cart and walk. That's how I learned to read greens
That actually helps quite a bit. Real issue here in Nevada is with the elevation changes, many courses refuse to allow walking. And in my community, lots of people can barely walk back and forth to the cart, but still enjoy playing. Your point however isn't wrong.
You said…Tour Read allows for the speed of the greens…. How do you NOT understand that is exactly what Aim Point does too.
Just stop.
Use Aim Point. You will put better.
So, where's the upfront notice this is a paid endorsement? Shady shady shady.
@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb This is not a paid endorsement. Not shady at all. I received no compensation from Tour Read If you’ve watched any of my videos I’m always very open in disclosing whether it’s a paid promotion or not.
@misteroneputt if not paid, why say you're 'not allowed' to disclose what the 'system' is? It's simple math.
@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb Because I'm honest and Ethical.I purchased his product and used it and believe in it. I approached him and obtained permission to do a TH-cam video on it. He said yes and offers my subscribers a discount. I do not receive any compensation.
Tour Read's creator asked me not to disclose his on course method online. That is his proprietary property. HE makes money which he has in my opinion earned by creating this method. For me to buy it and then share it online is stealing income from him that he could make by selling his system.
My subscribers win with a discount. He wins with sales of his product. I win with quality content that helps golfers. I also win when people come to me for lessons to learn this system which many have.
Ok… do what you do.
I will use Aim Point all day and make more putts than you