It's funny that Izuka said this because if you look at the terios concept art, you'll notice that in the text, Vegeta's name was written on the side when describing him.😊
Takashi Iizuka said influence by Spawn design for shadow also both films by Nolan dark knights and Sam Raimi spiderman tones and don’t forget hyper sonic foreshadowing ultra instinct
@@user-bq7vg3mo1h yh, but hyper is super sonic but with more powerful emeralds, ultra instinct is silver not rainbow unlike hyper sonic, and was first activated by huge amounts of energy hitting goku
4:47 Ian Flynn has talked about this in his Bumblekast some time ago, that Starfall Super Sonic is the Internal Name for the enhanced state of the Super Sonic transformation in the Final Horizon Story.
In my opinion i always hated that idea that shadow is the vegeta of the sonic world so i agree with izuka 100% that also goes for the rest of the sonic cast
In terms of Shadow’s rivalry with Sonic compared to Vegeta’s, I wish Sonic and Shadow remained on good terms after SA2. Shadow has shown mutual respect to Sonic, even as far back as SA2. I think 06 had the right idea with their relationship going forward. To me, it feels like a regression of Shadow’s character, and ironically makes him feel closer to Vegeta then he was before.
Can’t wait for Silver n Trunks next lol. Anyways Fr ever since folks been saying Shadow is a Vegeta clone (Especially since Sonic Boom where he basically acts like Vegeta), I always hated that cuz Shadow is more than Vegeta. While I did agree if there was a role where Sonic is match with DBZ, ya Shadow would be Vegeta, but Shadow got more differences with his backstory n I always prefer him since he was more of a broken character than just start off as a villain to hero. He ain’t like Silver where Silver literally barely got any differences to Trunks besides looks n powers.
I personally disagree with the idea that sonic and shadow rivalry mirrors goku and vegeta. With goku and vegeta they are both in on the rivalry and are always trying to surpass each other. While sonic and shadow only sonic sees it as a rivalry, shadow couldn’t care less about surpassing sonic because his existence doesn’t revolve around sonic. Sonic usually has to bait shadow into competing with him which he does seem to enjoy. Dragon Ball is not a huge part of sonics dna and I personally agree with izuka because I’m tired of dragon ball fans treating sonic like a lazy anthropomorphic Dbz clone.
I agree most of the character comparisons are pretty much bullsh*t. The only one that kind of makes sense is Silver and Future Trunks even though they have one thing in common with each other.
Not high part 😭 That crazy cope if you ask me when you see the backstory of characters like tiles sonic and even game play + I'm sure not only dbz fan treats sonic like some copy it's mostly a lot of people in other fandom I won't see it's good but when the most iconic parts are from other shows yah you kinda did that to yourself
You've pretty much understood the assignment. Shadow is a character who fights for what he thinks is right, even if it's questionable at times. His rivalry with Sonic can't really be compared to the saiyans since they're rivalry is purely from getting stronger together and surpassing limits. Sonic and Shadow's dynamic isn't really like that. Though I can definitely see why people compare these characters.
My take on it is this: I *get* where Iizuka is coming from. It can get frustrating to make a character with a specific story and purpose in mind, and people making unintended comparisons to unrelated characters. Like, Sonic isn't really subtle about its references and influences. Super Sonic, the Death Egg (and you can make a case for the ARK too), Sonic 2's Mecha Sonic and Silver the Hedgehog are proof of this. At the same time, yeah, it wouldn't hurt to loosen up about it. It's a surface level comparison based on similar roles within a story, it's just important to not let them get to you. Shadow isn't a Vegeta clone in the same way Sasuke from Naruto isn't a Vegeta clone. But you can put a positive spin on those comparisons, like, Shadow is Sonic's Vegeta because people think of him as being a rival character on equal footing with Sonic like Vegeta is on equal footing with Goku (which is true and that's reflected in Shadow's popularity). And I think the fan base understands the dynamics between the two duos are largely different. Like, Sonic and Shadow aren't constantly fighting each other to improve themselves, nor is Shadow trying to surpass Sonic to assert his status as the Ultimate Life Form. There's no competition outside of occasional confrontations. Emphasis on occasional. The one time I'd give it to people that Shadow feels a bit like Vegeta is his appearance in Boom. That's the closest it ever got, I feel.
3:40 Likeness has little to do with comparison and is not entirely the reason why some have Gear 5th Luffy an homage of Hyper Sonic. Tamago and especially Dagama of One Piece have clear appearances similar to Dr. Eggman and Egghead island being the smartest island in One Piece adds to it.
At this point Im shocked a Sonic character haven’t used a Kamehameha considering with Chaos Energy you should be able to use it in a way that’s similar to ki
And pretty sure Final Flash and Kamahamaha were both used at least once somewhere in the series. No fan can engulf all the content the series has to offer, but I've seen beams/blasts here and there over the years. It's similar to saying you're shocked noone in Dragon Ball has used Rasengan (I know in this case Naruto came AFTER DB, but there is a 4 part wheel cycle going on between them), when we actually have seen not only Goku use Rasengan but other characters as well. The Pokemon anime have "burrowed" moves from both series lol.
Hey Mugi! Love the video! I’ve been getting into Dragon Ball because of your videos! Also wanted to let you know my name is misspelled in the description, it’s SpottedLeaf. thanks!
@@MugiMallardUltra Sonic and Ultra Instinct/Hyper sonic and MUI. Ultra Sonic is the power of one super Emerald an incomplete Hyper sonic and looks close to base sonic, UI sign is incomplete and similar to base, and the complete version is far stronger and both have silver hair That could be something to talk about in the next part, there's also Chaos Knuckles and Orange Piccolo both of the character's peaks and they both got that power with there ancestors, Orange Piccolo is Orange with red eyes the colors of the dragon balls and Chaos Knuckles is completely green the color of the master Emerald
this comment should've been on the last video but, sonic's quills kinda look like one half of goku's hair 5:15 also ssj2 is also called ascended super saiyan
I have an interesting debate I wanna give. Here’s why I think the Sonic vs. Dragon Ball characters debate is closer than people think. Dragon Ball is all about growing stronger. Pushing yourself to become the strongest you can be and overcoming your limits. I believe Sonic has some of that too. Like Goku, Sonic is able to grow stronger with every fight. It’s confirmed in games like Generations and Forces that Sonic grows stronger every game. Like Goku and Vegeta, Sonic and Shadow both take on multiverse level beings too. Villains like Solaris, The End, Egg Salamander, and Erazor Djinn are able to destroy the entire multiverse. And even if we’re just including the game canon, that also exists the infinite universe of Maginary World, and The Arabian Nights. This makes Sonic Super Forms multiverse level at best. And there’s even proof that Super Sonic (and by argument Shadow) gets stronger with every game too. Such as in Frontiers when he’s able to take on every Titan and The End with each one getting stronger than the last. As well as The End being claimed to be more powerful than every villain Sonic previously fought combined, including those multiverse level beings I mentioned. And since Sonic and Shadow are able to grow stronger too, it’s not unreasonable to assume their Super Forms can do the same. I believe that since the Chaos Emeralds hold infinite power, Sonic and Shadow are able to unlock more and more of their infinite power every time they use them. This is similar to how every transformation Goku and Vegeta have get stronger and stronger, only instead of unlocking a new form, they’re unlocking more of their full power in their Super Form. That’s why I think these character matchups, while debatable, are not as far off as you think. It could go either way.
Apparently according to Ian Flynn, sonic growing in power is head canon which I find absolutely laughable bc the games contradict what he says. Such an L take.
@@Eminster Reminder that Ian Flynn is not a power scaler and isn’t the only one working on the sonic series. Hell, he hasn’t even been involved with the games until fairly recently.
Shouldn't be doing clickbait like that, since many people don't actually watch videos/read articles and just go off titles and thumbnails. Probably one of the best breakdowns validating how Shadow and Vegeta are not the same and Shadow not being the Vegeta of the series. (Mewtwo comparisons are valid though, especially Japanese Mewtwo.) However I would say llzuka should NOT embrace the comparisons people make, because then very obviously will people get too comfortable in their misguided beliefs and that will result in continued and expansive misconceptions and ignorance. That's how information and beliefs work when not checked and disciplined. llzuka and especially us consumer-fans who know better NEED TO KEEP fighting the good fight in informing and correcting people on their uneducated mindset on Shadow, both the comparison to Vegeta and his general characterization.
What I meant by Iizuka embracing it is that I think he should be okay with fans coming up with their own conclusions and enjoy comparing the two series. At the same time there's nothing wrong with what he said, but I just don't want people to think he's a "no fun allowed" kind of guy.
In my opinion I think ultra instinct sign is rip off of ultra sonic in the Archie comics and master ultra instinct is rip off of hyper sonic in my opinion
Bro, Ultra Instinct is literally based on a real life thing that Martial Arts use, they're called "Flow State" basically flow state is a mental state when a person that is completely focused on a single task or activity, which is literally ultra instinct.
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What's your opinion on the parallels between Shadow and Vegeta? How alike do YOU think they are?
Tbh Shadow I think he was inspired by mewtwo
@LegacySonic358where did you get the info of the sonic creator and dragon ball creator were friends? Source?
@@Eminster If I had to guess, they probably mean the time when Naoto Ohshima and Akira Toriyama both worked on Blue Dragon for the Xbox 360.
4:50 i call it Cyber super sonic, and the form where he gets black, swirly blue markings and eyes FULL power Cyber Super sonic
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It's funny that Izuka said this because if you look at the terios concept art, you'll notice that in the text, Vegeta's name was written on the side when describing him.😊
Takashi Iizuka said influence by Spawn design for shadow also both films by Nolan dark knights and Sam Raimi spiderman tones and don’t forget hyper sonic foreshadowing ultra instinct
Hyper came first
Hyper is nothing like ultra instinct u fucking idiot
@@user-bq7vg3mo1hthat's what the comment was saying.
@@user-bq7vg3mo1h yh, but hyper is super sonic but with more powerful emeralds, ultra instinct is silver not rainbow unlike hyper sonic, and was first activated by huge amounts of energy hitting goku
4:47 Ian Flynn has talked about this in his Bumblekast some time ago, that Starfall Super Sonic is the Internal Name for the enhanced state of the Super Sonic transformation in the Final Horizon Story.
In my opinion i always hated that idea that shadow is the vegeta of the sonic world so i agree with izuka 100% that also goes for the rest of the sonic cast
I just realized this is MugiMikey
In terms of Shadow’s rivalry with Sonic compared to Vegeta’s, I wish Sonic and Shadow remained on good terms after SA2. Shadow has shown mutual respect to Sonic, even as far back as SA2. I think 06 had the right idea with their relationship going forward. To me, it feels like a regression of Shadow’s character, and ironically makes him feel closer to Vegeta then he was before.
Can’t wait for Silver n Trunks next lol. Anyways Fr ever since folks been saying Shadow is a Vegeta clone (Especially since Sonic Boom where he basically acts like Vegeta), I always hated that cuz Shadow is more than Vegeta. While I did agree if there was a role where Sonic is match with DBZ, ya Shadow would be Vegeta, but Shadow got more differences with his backstory n I always prefer him since he was more of a broken character than just start off as a villain to hero. He ain’t like Silver where Silver literally barely got any differences to Trunks besides looks n powers.
In terms of character, Silver is a completely different character
I personally disagree with the idea that sonic and shadow rivalry mirrors goku and vegeta. With goku and vegeta they are both in on the rivalry and are always trying to surpass each other. While sonic and shadow only sonic sees it as a rivalry, shadow couldn’t care less about surpassing sonic because his existence doesn’t revolve around sonic. Sonic usually has to bait shadow into competing with him which he does seem to enjoy. Dragon Ball is not a huge part of sonics dna and I personally agree with izuka because I’m tired of dragon ball fans treating sonic like a lazy anthropomorphic Dbz clone.
Yup
I agree most of the character comparisons are pretty much bullsh*t. The only one that kind of makes sense is Silver and Future Trunks even though they have one thing in common with each other.
Not high part 😭
That crazy cope if you ask me when you see the backstory of characters like tiles sonic and even game play + I'm sure not only dbz fan treats sonic like some copy it's mostly a lot of people in other fandom I won't see it's good but when the most iconic parts are from other shows yah you kinda did that to yourself
@@saadsami8860he has a damn point tho
You've pretty much understood the assignment. Shadow is a character who fights for what he thinks is right, even if it's questionable at times. His rivalry with Sonic can't really be compared to the saiyans since they're rivalry is purely from getting stronger together and surpassing limits. Sonic and Shadow's dynamic isn't really like that. Though I can definitely see why people compare these characters.
My take on it is this: I *get* where Iizuka is coming from. It can get frustrating to make a character with a specific story and purpose in mind, and people making unintended comparisons to unrelated characters.
Like, Sonic isn't really subtle about its references and influences. Super Sonic, the Death Egg (and you can make a case for the ARK too), Sonic 2's Mecha Sonic and Silver the Hedgehog are proof of this.
At the same time, yeah, it wouldn't hurt to loosen up about it. It's a surface level comparison based on similar roles within a story, it's just important to not let them get to you. Shadow isn't a Vegeta clone in the same way Sasuke from Naruto isn't a Vegeta clone. But you can put a positive spin on those comparisons, like, Shadow is Sonic's Vegeta because people think of him as being a rival character on equal footing with Sonic like Vegeta is on equal footing with Goku (which is true and that's reflected in Shadow's popularity). And I think the fan base understands the dynamics between the two duos are largely different. Like, Sonic and Shadow aren't constantly fighting each other to improve themselves, nor is Shadow trying to surpass Sonic to assert his status as the Ultimate Life Form. There's no competition outside of occasional confrontations. Emphasis on occasional.
The one time I'd give it to people that Shadow feels a bit like Vegeta is his appearance in Boom. That's the closest it ever got, I feel.
7:42 Shrek is Kinds Like Vegeta
If you didn't watch Shrek Forever After this comment makes no sense
Didn't he have keywords for the character in one of his concept arts, and one of them was "Vegeta"?
Shadow should be compared to Mewtwo
3:40 Likeness has little to do with comparison and is not entirely the reason why some have Gear 5th Luffy an homage of Hyper Sonic. Tamago and especially Dagama of One Piece have clear appearances similar to Dr. Eggman and Egghead island being the smartest island in One Piece adds to it.
At this point Im shocked a Sonic character haven’t used a Kamehameha considering with Chaos Energy you should be able to use it in a way that’s similar to ki
He did in sonic chronicles
And pretty sure Final Flash and Kamahamaha were both used at least once somewhere in the series. No fan can engulf all the content the series has to offer, but I've seen beams/blasts here and there over the years. It's similar to saying you're shocked noone in Dragon Ball has used Rasengan (I know in this case Naruto came AFTER DB, but there is a 4 part wheel cycle going on between them), when we actually have seen not only Goku use Rasengan but other characters as well. The Pokemon anime have "burrowed" moves from both series lol.
I think both are great.
Hey Mugi! Love the video! I’ve been getting into Dragon Ball because of your videos! Also wanted to let you know my name is misspelled in the description, it’s SpottedLeaf. thanks!
Oh, my bad! I just fixed it. Thanks for the heads up!
Also, I'm glad to hear about you getting into Dragon Ball!!
@@MugiMallardUltra Sonic and Ultra Instinct/Hyper sonic and MUI. Ultra Sonic is the power of one super Emerald an incomplete Hyper sonic and looks close to base sonic, UI sign is incomplete and similar to base, and the complete version is far stronger and both have silver hair
That could be something to talk about in the next part, there's also Chaos Knuckles and Orange Piccolo both of the character's peaks and they both got that power with there ancestors, Orange Piccolo is Orange with red eyes the colors of the dragon balls and Chaos Knuckles is completely green the color of the master Emerald
this comment should've been on the last video but, sonic's quills kinda look like one half of goku's hair
5:15 also ssj2 is also called ascended super saiyan
I have an interesting debate I wanna give. Here’s why I think the Sonic vs. Dragon Ball characters debate is closer than people think.
Dragon Ball is all about growing stronger. Pushing yourself to become the strongest you can be and overcoming your limits. I believe Sonic has some of that too. Like Goku, Sonic is able to grow stronger with every fight. It’s confirmed in games like Generations and Forces that Sonic grows stronger every game. Like Goku and Vegeta, Sonic and Shadow both take on multiverse level beings too. Villains like Solaris, The End, Egg Salamander, and Erazor Djinn are able to destroy the entire multiverse. And even if we’re just including the game canon, that also exists the infinite universe of Maginary World, and The Arabian Nights. This makes Sonic Super Forms multiverse level at best.
And there’s even proof that Super Sonic (and by argument Shadow) gets stronger with every game too. Such as in Frontiers when he’s able to take on every Titan and The End with each one getting stronger than the last. As well as The End being claimed to be more powerful than every villain Sonic previously fought combined, including those multiverse level beings I mentioned.
And since Sonic and Shadow are able to grow stronger too, it’s not unreasonable to assume their Super Forms can do the same.
I believe that since the Chaos Emeralds hold infinite power, Sonic and Shadow are able to unlock more and more of their infinite power every time they use them.
This is similar to how every transformation Goku and Vegeta have get stronger and stronger, only instead of unlocking a new form, they’re unlocking more of their full power in their Super Form.
That’s why I think these character matchups, while debatable, are not as far off as you think. It could go either way.
Apparently according to Ian Flynn, sonic growing in power is head canon which I find absolutely laughable bc the games contradict what he says. Such an L take.
@@Eminster Reminder that Ian Flynn is not a power scaler and isn’t the only one working on the sonic series. Hell, he hasn’t even been involved with the games until fairly recently.
@@EpicKevster Great comment
@@LaymoSupraymo I know that. I'm just saying his take is wack af. He was coping when he said that bs.
@@Eminster oh, sorry. I didn’t want to come across like I was trying to argue with you, because I agree with you
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When is part 3 for one piece series coming out
I'm aiming for it to be completed in November! Stay tuned.
Shouldn't be doing clickbait like that, since many people don't actually watch videos/read articles and just go off titles and thumbnails.
Probably one of the best breakdowns validating how Shadow and Vegeta are not the same and Shadow not being the Vegeta of the series. (Mewtwo comparisons are valid though, especially Japanese Mewtwo.) However I would say llzuka should NOT embrace the comparisons people make, because then very obviously will people get too comfortable in their misguided beliefs and that will result in continued and expansive misconceptions and ignorance. That's how information and beliefs work when not checked and disciplined. llzuka and especially us consumer-fans who know better NEED TO KEEP fighting the good fight in informing and correcting people on their uneducated mindset on Shadow, both the comparison to Vegeta and his general characterization.
What I meant by Iizuka embracing it is that I think he should be okay with fans coming up with their own conclusions and enjoy comparing the two series. At the same time there's nothing wrong with what he said, but I just don't want people to think he's a "no fun allowed" kind of guy.
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Shadow is clearly inspired by Mewtwo
Vegeta + Mewtwo = shadow
I blame sega’s mandates
In my opinion I think ultra instinct sign is rip off of ultra sonic in the Archie comics and master ultra instinct is rip off of hyper sonic in my opinion
They are literally nothing alike
Oh what because it has ultra in the name it’s a copy now? And mui has no similarities with hyper sonic
Bro, Ultra Instinct is literally based on a real life thing that Martial Arts use, they're called "Flow State" basically flow state is a mental state when a person that is completely focused on a single task or activity, which is literally ultra instinct.
@@2Rhe_43 agreed. This guy is dumb
Bro is onto NOTHING 🙏😭
Na shadow is Vegeta