@robert moir LOL YOURE DUMB TOO. YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO SPELL YOURE (YOU’RE) YOU THINK ITS SPELT YOU RE LOL AND I DONT THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT HE SAID XDDDDD
I remember this problem, when the railroads went from steam to diesel it was a mess. The steam locomotives had a lot more power than the diesel locomotives. I'm an old steam era railroader. I remember this show and great video.
Well at that time the only time they tried to run the big boy off of oil it failed and was converted back to coal 4014 is the only big boy to successfully run off of oil…at-least to my knowledge correct me if I’m wrong
I use to work for the Chicago & NorthWestern Railroad back in the 1980's and 90's (now I'm with the Soo Line). I met many C&NW locomotive engineers who use to run steam locomotives and not one of them missed running a steam engine versus a diesel. They were filthy to operate, cold in the winter, hot in the summer and a heck of a lot more work to get to your destination.
That line "The Big Boy's are good for years, their good forever" is true to the last word. They are good for years. Big Boy #4014 has been confirmed to return to active service.
The 4000 Class "Big Boy" was designed to conquer the Wasatch Mountains NOT Sherman Hill. The UP was going to name them the Wasatch Type that is until the famous scribbling on the smokebox door on the ALCO erecting floor.
Joke's on the kid now, UP's bringing a big boy back into steam.
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back in the 50's, it was very hard for diesel lovers to come out of the closet. many of them were rejected by their dieselophobic families and ended up committing suicide. but they fought long and hard and, today, they are an accepted part of society. they can even be legally married in all states
I have no experience running a steam locomotive but as I said, I have over 20+yrs as a locomotive engineer running trains on a Class 1 railroad which is the experience you don't have and likely will never get.
Actually, the most powerful locomotive ever built was the PRR Q2 by the Altoona Works, a 4-4-6-4 that had the highest rated horsepower ever recorded at 7,987. 26 of these units were built in 1945, and were scrapped between 1953 and 1956.
Horsepower isn't everything. Big Boy had more tractive effort. However, the Y6b made more tractive effort than even Big Boy, but with less horsepower. So the Big Boy is, overall, the most powerful.
The big boys weren't originally intended for speed, but they decided to put on pistons that were capable of reaching speeds up to 80mph. So the speed was just a bonus. The main thing was that they could carry incredible loads without stopping.
But from what I've seen a lot of the time, people say that steam engines running on coal is a lot cleaner than running them on fuel oil like the UP 844 and 3985.
Chappy - what source do you get your figures from? Most sources quote Big Boy generating starting T/E around 150,000lbs (on dry rail) & continuous boiler H/P in the 6000hp region. BTW Big Boy was designed to handle 3000-4000ton trains on a continuous 1.5% grade on Sherman Hill - AC4400&4300 units haul 5000+tons single handed on similar grades on our line with much sharper curves than Sherman and they do it using much less fuel and raw materiels (water and coal) - less than 500 gal diesal fuel.
sure they were and still are filthy to run, but the guys that run the npk 765 tell me its warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer then a diesle electro, but you can not deny the romance of the big, powerful, live steam locomotive, and best of all made in america back then, and a fine job they did without all the tech, I know you are a fan of history based on your videos posted, so surely you see this view with me dirty and tempermental they are but, cant beat the power of the bigboys.
@steamingpoopfart I think if I remember right the ?-8-8-8-2 was a very hard to fire locomotive. the 4-8-8-4 was very easy to fire according to what i have read. these things i can believe I am very good at building fires and when at peoples houses that have fire places I often am asked to tend the fire (grill too) some designs fire better them others. if this is true for the 2 units then the 4-8-8-4 would deff be better than the 2-10-10-2 or the other one.
I side with the old-timer. We need to go back to steam engines. We didn't worry about pollution, gas prices, or nothin' until we hit diesel and gasoline.
You know, there are nice private railway lines all over the world where they run steam so the main lines which people use can run fast modern trains without paying tons of cash or needing tons of maintainence. So steam is already back, just in places where it doesn't get in the way of everyday rail commutors who need to get places quick and cheap. It's a very simple thing to understand but lots of people on here can't seem to.
Brandon - thank you for sending me your bona fides. I apologise for unfairly criticizing you on a public forum. It seems that unlike many BS artists who post on U Tube you have run a steam locomotive (CP1057) and have the pics to prove it - plus other certificates showing your involvement with the NPS steam program. I agree, you are not a liar and have my respect for the interest in steam locomotion that you are pursuing. Keep it up and one day you will be running ATSF 3751 on the main line.
Howdy. I'm sure Engineer5344 knows the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. His comment, and my reply, were paraphrased quotes from a scene in the movie "Animal House". If you haven't seen it, it's generally considered one of the funniest movies ever made, and I highly recommend it if you don't mind rated R type stuff.
@thomasVSstewie I think you are right they applyed more force onto a train the 4-8-8-4 which applyed a force of about 150,000 pounds I think the 2-10-10-2 put out 200,000. I know the ?-8-8-8-2 put out at or near 200,000 I think the ?=2 not 100 positive. The Big Boy however was designed to get a train moving at 60+ mph. Technically a AEM-7 draws 7000 hp or 5.2 MWatts or Juoles per secound, however it would not pull more cars than a 4-8-8-4.
...the 2-6-6-6 can acheive the same speeds as the Big Boy but didn't have the opportunity in the mountainous territory the often traveled between WV and the east coast. The 2-6-6-6 is by far the better as far as Horsepower, tractive effort, and can take a shorter turning radius.
That's great mate but what kind of HP and T/E does it develop from a standing start? HP figures are meaningless until you convert them to tractive effort and tonnage haulage over a given subdivision.
The Big Boys were rated for about 6,000 horsepower and over 100,000 lbs of tractive effort. Those numbers may not be from a standing start, but that is powerful
@@steamfan4014 starting tractive effort of a Big Boy was 135,375 lbs...which pales in comparison to N&W's Y6b which had a starting TE (in simple) of 152,206 lbs.
@@tprdfh51 Thank you for the information. I knew that there were locomotives with higher tractive efforts than the Big Boy, but 135,375 lbs is still a somewhat high number in terms of being able to tackle the Wasatch mountains without the use of a helper locomotive
My great uncle loved his huge 4-8-4 locomotive. He would rather go to work than go on vacation. He said many steam locomotive engineers considered Diesel locomotives "cars". They wanted nothing to do with Diesels. But he knew that Diesel locomotives were far superior to steam locomotives Far less maintenance, less stress on tracks, far morefficient and less pollution, could be easily combined for whatever load, no crew in each locomotive...
@theGUYwho1 damn thats pretty cool man, i gotta say. same with me and my dad. do you and your father know how big the asian imigrents were in building the rails in the US?
Big Boys burned coal - low grade Wyoming coal. Only one was converted to oil and quickly converted back to coal again when its burner proved unable to heat the firebox evenly.
@dixiegurl2303 We won't need to use a natural resource, just any way we can to heat the water to make steam . . . even if they gotta lay down the 3rd Rail like in the Metro.
China quit mainline steam operations in 2005, although you can still buy a brand new SY Mikado from the factory,or a used SY or QJ from the railroad, if you have a fortune to spend... I agree with Ed's character, steamers were built to last forever, and diesil will never be the same, or as good.
No son, I am talking about 1 AC4400 or 1 AC4300 regularly handling more tonnage than Big Boy on our line on a grade as steep and as long as and with sharper curves than Sherman Hill.
Two GE Dash 8-40's can do 8000HP. I don't think you need eight of them to get over Sherman Hill considering that's 2000HP more than what the Big Boy does.
You say Diesels are dead but virtually every country in the world uses them and relegated the steamers to museums and private heritage lines. I wonder why. Oh yeah! It''s cheaper and quicker which is what the majority of customers want. Most people who travel on trains aren't railfans who care about steam. They just want to get somewhere quick without paying a ton of cash.
@hootinouts They stopped building them in 1998, but the perfected them to burn cleaner and produce more Hp. but the tree huggers buried the idea they may come back, instead they are actually looking at Battery power. insane isn't it? where the gonna put all that lead when its used, in our paint?
...."Lucky Strike Theatre"....ahhh, the good old days when things like cigarettes weren't so despised and your doctor smoked while doing a check-up on you....seat belts weren't cool to use and chucking your empty beer bottle out the window on your way home from work was a normal thing to do.
I agree with Joe Grant. Big Boys are good for years. I mean, they can pull a 9 kilometer´s heavy-as load alone! If that´s not strength, then I don´t know what is. If diesels tries to pull the load, it takes least five. In comparison, Diesels are nothing.
DD40X were for fast Priority freights and not pulling, the reason they took steam off is beacuse they are labor intensive, but i do belive steam is more powerful
Strongest maybe, but there were even rigid framed engines that delivered greater horsepower. Take New York Central's Niagara series, or any of the Pennsylvania's duplexes.
@trainlover479 Big Boy won't win a tug of war challenge against an AC6000 or even an AC4300 - either of wihich will generate more than 180,000+ pounds of tractive effort on dry rail. Sorry dude, as good as Big boy was it can't compete against an AC traction motor and computer assisted wheelslip systems.
Nope not seeing it your way. I'm looking at numbers and I see the big boy pulling that ac6000 all over the place. Up hill even. Why, because it was made to do that. Adhesive weight of 540,000 pounds says so and so does factor of adhesion at 3.99 which 4 would be perfect. The neat thing about steam, I can keep generating torque even though the HP is maxed out. All it has to do is move. While it is moving, there is so much weight that its going go be almost impossible to get it to slip from a stand still. So nice try.
unfortunately China stopped building steam in the late 80s. They started phasing them out hard core about 10 years ago for the Olympics. Now China is almost all dieselized. Regular use steam is fading fast. Few places still have steam but won't for much longer thanks to pitiful diesels.
well sittibg in a disel and opening up the throttle has no beauty or sould to it at all. Sitting in the cab of a beautiful steam locomotive powered by steam and feeling the steam pass through the throttle wen u open her up is much more entertaining than sitting back and having a computer drive it. diseles are so boring to run they have to put in alarms to go off cuz the engineers fall asleep
Never run a steam engine son but I've been running diesal engines on a Class 1 railroad for over 20yrs - the last 10 of which has been utilizing AC4400 & AC4300 power. What part of my post don't U believe? All the horsepower in the world don't mean jack shit unless you can transfer that power into tractive effort as measured at the drawbar - sorry Big Boy would lose this one and could not handle the train tonnages and speed singlehanded that 2 AC4400 or 4300 units can handle. Check your facts.
0812201 - doesn't take much effort to get a knuckle. It is the weakest link in the chain and they are designed to break at a specified figure before anything else breaks...like a drawbar or pulling a carbody or frame in half. Big Boy could develop 300,000lb T/E but without computerized wheel slip control systems as are on modern diesals locomotives it is wasted power. Power without control doesn't mean jack shiite mate when it comes to running a train. Any wanker can draw/buff a train to pieces.
LOL....Spoiled brat don't know what he's missing! The Big Boys were in many ways more sophisticated than the steam powered ocean liners of the day. Many more moving parts to keep up with and maintain....more critical pressures to maintain in the boiler.
Don't call me a "socialist". A. My mother smoked for 50 years, and now suffers with COPD. B. Tell this to all of the people and families who have been killed by drunk drivers. C. Until you have been in an accident, shut your mouth.
When the man said "The Big Boys are good for years they are good for forever" its like he knew that Big Boy 4014 would return
What a great way to predict the future!
Amazing way to predict the future!
Oh you re dumb Miguel Chavez
@robert moir LOL YOURE DUMB TOO. YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO SPELL YOURE (YOU’RE) YOU THINK ITS SPELT YOU RE LOL AND I DONT THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT HE SAID XDDDDD
I remember this problem, when the railroads went from steam to diesel it was a mess. The steam locomotives had a lot more power than the diesel locomotives. I'm an old steam era railroader. I remember this show and great video.
Indeed. The only reason steam went out anyway was because diesels could compensate for their relative weakness with higher maintenance efficiency.
2:01 at that time they would have never new wat would happen in 2019 yes one big boy lived and will live forever
Ironic when Joe asks his son if he thinks oil can run an engine, because the newly re-minted 4014 was converted to run on oil...
Tell me about it....
Well at that time the only time they tried to run the big boy off of oil it failed and was converted back to coal 4014 is the only big boy to successfully run off of oil…at-least to my knowledge correct me if I’m wrong
I want to see this full movie
man, can't get that little jingle out of my head!
I LOVE this television program. UP Big Boys in action taking lace in the 1950s. How grawesome is that?!
I use to work for the Chicago & NorthWestern Railroad back in the 1980's and 90's (now I'm with the Soo Line). I met many C&NW locomotive engineers who use to run steam locomotives and not one of them missed running a steam engine versus a diesel. They were filthy to operate, cold in the winter, hot in the summer and a heck of a lot more work to get to your destination.
That line "The Big Boy's are good for years, their good forever" is true to the last word. They are good for years. Big Boy #4014 has been confirmed to return to active service.
Now if I could find the entire program, I'd be a VERY HAPPY camper!
The 4000 Class "Big Boy" was designed to conquer the Wasatch Mountains NOT Sherman Hill. The UP was going to name them the Wasatch Type that is until the famous scribbling on the smokebox door on the ALCO erecting floor.
I remember getting in the cab of 4018 at the state fair of Texas
Joke's on the kid now, UP's bringing a big boy back into steam.
back in the 50's, it was very hard for diesel lovers to come out of the closet. many of them were rejected by their dieselophobic families and ended up committing suicide.
but they fought long and hard and, today, they are an accepted part of society. they can even be legally married in all states
Ha ha ha , love it
I have no experience running a steam locomotive but as I said, I have over 20+yrs as a locomotive engineer running trains on a Class 1 railroad which is the experience you don't have and likely will never get.
Actually, the most powerful locomotive ever built was the PRR Q2 by the Altoona Works, a 4-4-6-4 that had the highest rated horsepower ever recorded at 7,987. 26 of these units were built in 1945, and were scrapped between 1953 and 1956.
Horsepower isn't everything. Big Boy had more tractive effort. However, the Y6b made more tractive effort than even Big Boy, but with less horsepower. So the Big Boy is, overall, the most powerful.
thank you madercic for your support
Amen to that. And yes, they do, and God bless them for it. :]
The big boys weren't originally intended for speed, but they decided to put on pistons that were capable of reaching speeds up to 80mph. So the speed was just a bonus. The main thing was that they could carry incredible loads without stopping.
Big Boy (like most UP steam engines) did not use a chime whistle - they used the steam boat type.
Man i could die a happy man if i could get behind the throttle of a big boy blasting up sherman hill.
But from what I've seen a lot of the time, people say that steam engines running on coal is a lot cleaner than running them on fuel oil like the UP 844 and 3985.
Chappy - what source do you get your figures from? Most sources quote Big Boy generating starting T/E around 150,000lbs (on dry rail) & continuous boiler H/P in the 6000hp region. BTW Big Boy was designed to handle 3000-4000ton trains on a continuous 1.5% grade on Sherman Hill - AC4400&4300 units haul 5000+tons single handed on similar grades on our line with much sharper curves than Sherman and they do it using much less fuel and raw materiels (water and coal) - less than 500 gal diesal fuel.
Found on Pentrex.com titled Big Boy Combo DVD Part 2
I think the 2-6-6-6 was a little heavier and put out about 7000HP. So now who's the worlds largest?
sure they were and still are filthy to run, but the guys that run the npk 765 tell me its warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer then a diesle electro, but you can not deny the romance of the big, powerful, live steam locomotive, and best of all made in america back then, and a fine job they did without all the tech, I know you are a fan of history based on your videos posted, so surely you see this view with me dirty and tempermental they are but, cant beat the power of the bigboys.
you do live steam! what kind of locos are they
@steamingpoopfart I think if I remember right the ?-8-8-8-2 was a very hard to fire locomotive. the 4-8-8-4 was very easy to fire according to what i have read. these things i can believe I am very good at building fires and when at peoples houses that have fire places I often am asked to tend the fire (grill too) some designs fire better them others. if this is true for the 2 units then the 4-8-8-4 would deff be better than the 2-10-10-2 or the other one.
Be that as it may, they are a part of our history. Should we just shove it under the rug and forget our past?
Junior you better listen to your dad, dads know best!
I side with the old-timer. We need to go back to steam engines. We didn't worry about pollution, gas prices, or nothin' until we hit diesel and gasoline.
You know, there are nice private railway lines all over the world where they run steam so the main lines which people use can run fast modern trains without paying tons of cash or needing tons of maintainence. So steam is already back, just in places where it doesn't get in the way of everyday rail commutors who need to get places quick and cheap.
It's a very simple thing to understand but lots of people on here can't seem to.
Brandon - thank you for sending me your bona fides. I apologise for unfairly criticizing you on a public forum. It seems that unlike many BS artists who post on U Tube you have run a steam locomotive (CP1057) and have the pics to prove it - plus other certificates showing your involvement with the NPS steam program. I agree, you are not a liar and have my respect for the interest in steam locomotion that you are pursuing. Keep it up and one day you will be running ATSF 3751 on the main line.
Helloo big boy..... 2020
Back in the day it was steam vs diesel. Today I preefer a good ol' two-stroke EMD over the modern electric locomotives here in Europe.
Steam Power💪
Howdy. I'm sure Engineer5344 knows the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. His comment, and my reply, were paraphrased quotes from a scene in the movie "Animal House". If you haven't seen it, it's generally considered one of the funniest movies ever made, and I highly recommend it if you don't mind rated R type stuff.
@thomasVSstewie I think you are right they applyed more force onto a train the 4-8-8-4 which applyed a force of about 150,000 pounds I think the 2-10-10-2 put out 200,000. I know the ?-8-8-8-2 put out at or near 200,000 I think the ?=2 not 100 positive. The Big Boy however was designed to get a train moving at 60+ mph. Technically a AEM-7 draws 7000 hp or 5.2 MWatts or Juoles per secound, however it would not pull more cars than a 4-8-8-4.
...the 2-6-6-6 can acheive the same speeds as the Big Boy but didn't have the opportunity in the mountainous territory the often traveled between WV and the east coast. The 2-6-6-6 is by far the better as far as Horsepower, tractive effort, and can take a shorter turning radius.
The big boy wa s up there. But there were more powerful steam locomotives around. The N&W Y class. The Alleghany type 2-6-6-6 the PRR T1
I know it's a year old, but a Big Boy will win the tug-of-war against an Alleghany.
That's great mate but what kind of HP and T/E does it develop from a standing start? HP figures are meaningless until you convert them to tractive effort and tonnage haulage over a given subdivision.
The Big Boys were rated for about 6,000 horsepower and over 100,000 lbs of tractive effort. Those numbers may not be from a standing start, but that is powerful
@@steamfan4014 starting tractive effort of a Big Boy was 135,375 lbs...which pales in comparison to N&W's Y6b which had a starting TE (in simple) of 152,206 lbs.
@@tprdfh51 Thank you for the information. I knew that there were locomotives with higher tractive efforts than the Big Boy, but 135,375 lbs is still a somewhat high number in terms of being able to tackle the Wasatch mountains without the use of a helper locomotive
Could someone give or show me the link of the film I saw this a few years ago and wanted to watch it one more time
Its true. i saw the website.
My great uncle loved his huge 4-8-4 locomotive. He would rather go to work than go on vacation.
He said many steam locomotive engineers considered Diesel locomotives "cars". They wanted nothing to do with Diesels.
But he knew that Diesel locomotives were far superior to steam locomotives
Far less maintenance, less stress on tracks, far morefficient and less pollution, could be easily combined for whatever load, no crew in each locomotive...
@hootinouts China discontinued steam operation a few years ago when they started the High Speed Rail project.
the mother s name in the movie is Amy Grant just like the singer interesting
@theGUYwho1 damn thats pretty cool man, i gotta say. same with me and my dad. do you and your father know how big the asian imigrents were in building the rails in the US?
Rails? Not all of them. Not at all.
Big Boys burned coal - low grade Wyoming coal. Only one was converted to oil and quickly converted back to coal again when its burner proved unable to heat the firebox evenly.
@dixiegurl2303
We won't need to use a natural resource, just any way we can to heat the water to make steam . . . even if they gotta lay down the 3rd Rail like in the Metro.
the dad feels the same way about big boys the same way i feel about 2 cylinder john deeres
China quit mainline steam operations in 2005, although you can still buy a brand new SY Mikado from the factory,or a used SY or QJ from the railroad, if you have a fortune to spend...
I agree with Ed's character, steamers were built to last forever, and diesil will never be the same, or as good.
Old man all upset over a locomotive lol
i love trains
I love lamp
No son, I am talking about 1 AC4400 or 1 AC4300 regularly handling more tonnage than Big Boy on our line on a grade as steep and as long as and with sharper curves than Sherman Hill.
Two GE Dash 8-40's can do 8000HP. I don't think you need eight of them to get over Sherman Hill considering that's 2000HP more than what the Big Boy does.
Big steam where water & oil come together 🙂
You say Diesels are dead but virtually every country in the world uses them and relegated the steamers to museums and private heritage lines.
I wonder why. Oh yeah! It''s cheaper and quicker which is what the majority of customers want. Most people who travel on trains aren't railfans who care about steam. They just want to get somewhere quick without paying a ton of cash.
@hootinouts They stopped building them in 1998, but the perfected them to burn cleaner and produce more Hp. but the tree huggers buried the idea they may come back, instead they are actually looking at Battery power. insane isn't it? where the gonna put all that lead when its used, in our paint?
...."Lucky Strike Theatre"....ahhh, the good old days when things like cigarettes weren't so despised and your doctor smoked while doing a check-up on you....seat belts weren't cool to use and chucking your empty beer bottle out the window on your way home from work was a normal thing to do.
You learn to act smarter, in your own interest. I was born in 1953. I wouldn't go back to that "lifestyle".
Gregory Kayne yes, air pollution is nowhere near as bad as it was in the 70’s...that much is good.
@hootinouts
I think India does, too!
I agree with Joe, the railroads should have kept steam, sadly though the reality is diesels are more efficient.
Maybe so. But steam is real railroading. Diesels are not.
are there really 6 idiots in the world that would dislike this????
+john72ss I agree
***** well then.......
those people are steam haters
NSRailfan8114 I didn't know such a thing existed?
Example: Hunter Harrison
But the Big Boy's power was, and still isn't matched by a diesel =P
Maybe so. But steam is real railroading. Diesel is not.
1. Cigarettes kill.
2. Alcohol causes nothing but problems.
3. Seat belts save lives.
I agree with Joe Grant. Big Boys are good for years. I mean, they can pull a 9 kilometer´s heavy-as load alone! If that´s not strength, then I don´t know what is. If diesels tries to pull the load, it takes least five. In comparison, Diesels are nothing.
the big boy is king
those early diesels could only make 1800 hp and big boy could make 6000, i think we all know which is more power full
lol i know i was talking about all bigboys in general
Just remember something, people now in their 60's,70's and 80's lived through all this and they did just fine, socialist "do-gooder".
Union Pacific would have retired all steam locomotives in 1953 just like Santa Fe did.
there was a 2-8-8-8-0
This comment section is just
DD40X were for fast Priority freights and not pulling, the reason they took steam off is beacuse they are labor intensive, but i do belive steam is more powerful
You can't beat steam power. I think China still builds and uses steam locomotives
Steams neat to watch, but I don't see why a crew would want to work harder for their money. Thought the Big Boys were a maintanence nightmare??
i would like to see that
its the biggest not the most powerful. Actually the 2-8-8-4 yellowstone is the most powerful.
Don't for get the Alleghany type 2-6-6-6
Strongest maybe, but there were even rigid framed engines that delivered greater horsepower. Take New York Central's Niagara series, or any of the Pennsylvania's duplexes.
@trainlover479 Big Boy won't win a tug of war challenge against an AC6000 or even an AC4300 - either of wihich will generate more than 180,000+ pounds of tractive effort on dry rail. Sorry dude, as good as Big boy was it can't compete against an AC traction motor and computer assisted wheelslip systems.
Nope not seeing it your way. I'm looking at numbers and I see the big boy pulling that ac6000 all over the place. Up hill even. Why, because it was made to do that. Adhesive weight of 540,000 pounds says so and so does factor of adhesion at 3.99 which 4 would be perfect. The neat thing about steam, I can keep generating torque even though the HP is maxed out. All it has to do is move. While it is moving, there is so much weight that its going go be almost impossible to get it to slip from a stand still. So nice try.
unfortunately China stopped building steam in the late 80s. They started phasing them out hard core about 10 years ago for the Olympics. Now China is almost all dieselized. Regular use steam is fading fast. Few places still have steam but won't for much longer thanks to pitiful diesels.
well sittibg in a disel and opening up the throttle has no beauty or sould to it at all. Sitting in the cab of a beautiful steam locomotive powered by steam and feeling the steam pass through the throttle wen u open her up is much more entertaining than sitting back and having a computer drive it. diseles are so boring to run they have to put in alarms to go off cuz the engineers fall asleep
& that's y steam is better then diesel
Never run a steam engine son but I've been running diesal engines on a Class 1 railroad for over 20yrs - the last 10 of which has been utilizing AC4400 & AC4300 power. What part of my post don't U believe? All the horsepower in the world don't mean jack shit unless you can transfer that power into tractive effort as measured at the drawbar - sorry Big Boy would lose this one and could not handle the train tonnages and speed singlehanded that 2 AC4400 or 4300 units can handle. Check your facts.
0812201 - doesn't take much effort to get a knuckle. It is the weakest link in the chain and they are designed to break at a specified figure before anything else breaks...like a drawbar or pulling a carbody or frame in half. Big Boy could develop 300,000lb T/E but without computerized wheel slip control systems as are on modern diesals locomotives it is wasted power. Power without control doesn't mean jack shiite mate when it comes to running a train. Any wanker can draw/buff a train to pieces.
Mr. troll's account got closed. XD
LOL....Spoiled brat don't know what he's missing! The Big Boys were in many ways more sophisticated than the steam powered ocean liners of the day. Many more moving parts to keep up with and maintain....more critical pressures to maintain in the boiler.
I think Flying Scotsman & Mallard joint hold that title actually.....
Both before and after Big Boy came along.
Don't call me a "socialist". A. My mother smoked for 50 years, and now suffers with COPD. B. Tell this to all of the people and families who have been killed by drunk drivers. C. Until you have been in an accident, shut your mouth.
A single AC6000 Could drag the Big Boy backwards 180,000-200,000 pounds of starting tractive effort.
Onion Pacific ha ha ha duck you
No
And it could drag over 50 of them in a line, considering the fact Big Boys ran at 7,000 horsepower.
Virginian's 2-10-10-2's were longer & more powerful then UP'S Big Boy believe it or not.