I really REALLY want to say my most hated character is fox I hate fox SO much But I can't honestly say that my personal melee hell involves playing fox for eternity And in that spirit, I gotta go with Ness
The k up character that is able to make me rage in melee is Luigi. (Mainly online). Really fun when they turn on their lag switch, do one wavedahs across the whole stage, and then throw out a frame 1 Aireal.
As a Peach main I agree with the Peach votes. We're degenerates and her toolkit is so fun and intuitive to me, but a little part of my conscience dies when somebody accidentally crouch-cancels the 50th down-smash I've thrown out that match. (Of course good Peach play is so much more than that move, but at low-to-mid-level way too many players get hit by it way more often than they should)
Yeah, that's why I love to be a marth main because you can space that and if you're tight, you will never be hit by this move and that's awesome. Love this mu
@@RiggedandReady You're the real one for saying that. I love playing against good Fox players as Peach. I think it's so fun-both sides can mess each other up if you play well.
Bro, if she was like Fox or sum'n I'd respectfully disagree. But she plays the king of get you off stage and down tilt until he feels comfortable to F smash I'm salty cuz I play doc and doc just has no fucking tools against Marth other than pill spacing
HMW spit in this video. Many other takes in this video are heavily biased hot garbage perpetuated by people who don't actually understand how the characters work
Already have beaten bbatts and tamus in a bo3, the rest I've never played. But even then an iron man is a more fitting test of your overall understanding of every character in the game and the only people in this vid who have a chance of beating me in that, are Moky and Zain.
@@MetiCu the only thing funnier than thinking you can beat Amsa is dictating sweeping, specific terms on which you will categorically lose to Amsa. Please do your best to come at this video from a place of lighthearted jabbing humor or take your weird unchecked ego elsewhere
@@nilpholan 99.9% of melee players wouldn't beat amsa in a bo3 so I fail to see why that matters or is relevant. I wasn't even referring to Amsa's take specifically because I agree with his, peach's downsmash is cringe. I just think takes like milkman's that falco fox is "70-30" is a meme. Like you play one of the most OP characters in the game that is just pure cope man. Idk what to tell you.
@@DP3mo24hofosho @DP3mo24hofosho Smack dab "level" between casual players and top players. Prolly like standard local tournament (typically 8-100 entrants) players who can get a game/match win here and there but don't win events too much.
As falco its fox. Honestly when you're plahing Falco you generally get to be a bit more spacy but still rushdoen aggressive and mean bevause he has wonderful combo tools, but against fox you pretty much have to play spacy because fox is simply faster than you. As Dr. Mario its easily Marth. His up special is one of the hardest out of the top teirs to Cape, his spacing can keep doc far enough away so that doc cant exactly get in good combos, and docs linear recovery pattern makes for easy spacing for D-tilts and F-smashes
Kinda thought I was alone on the falco laser hate. I main falco but I never laser like most falcos do. I’ll throw one out sometimes for a mixup but I know how lasers make me feel in a mirror and I don’t wish that upon my worst enemy. I’d rather lose than win because of lasers
Its tough because its such a good tool, but you feel bad playing it. At least spamming it, Im still the noob that does two approaching lazers and then dairs. If im in tournament (or losing in ranked) then i feel less bad.
After wobbling was banned, I don’t find myself hating any of the characters with one exception just based on character moveset. Ganondorf feels like the biggest waste of a slot because his moveset is literally just Falcon’s but worse. Even incorporating the sword in his smash attacks didn’t do much to make him unique.
I like to believe your initial question was "who do you hate most in melee?" and everyone just answers "Leffen". What we see here is just the second take.
I feel like a lot of the people I spoke to have known or interacted with Leffen personally to some degree and would, in fact, not say that at all. go outside
A character being "too easy" is the most hater shit. I know this is just fun and I'm for sure not judging anyone but it's always hilarious to me. One of those insults that are actually a compliment. "It's too easy for you to beat me".
Definitely peach. Only character in the game that will legitimately beat you by doing nothing. They literally never even have to come near you the entire game and they'll still win.
As a falco player, its gotta be Luigi. At least playing against him. Just un comboable cuz floaty and nair, and i hate his dair. Otherwise I support all characters, even Luigi. I just hate fighting him.
I like how Moky avoided saying Peach to not show his mald for the character like everyone else. I know how much that man hates Peach. My most hated is Fox and Fox players, they all think they have the grand right to win because they play the top tier and anyone who challenges their narrative is "this that or the other thing". Your character is far more potentially lame than even Puff because of its speed, You never have to interact ever. I'd rather fight Puffs than a Fox who camps. At least Jigglypuffs will try to scrap nowadays, Fox's are so lame they might as well not be able to walk.
Fox is the most buffedcharacter by slippi as well 2 frames of buffer FAR helps spacies more than anyone else but on Lan when you aren't getting carried by waveshining being 2 frames easier you have to actually be tight lmao
@@andrewwebb624that’s not how slippi works. There is no 2 frame buffer. That 2 frame that it shows is a delay to emulate console play. Although the audio delay (an emulator un optimization) definitely buffs fox and falco since it makes side b very hard to react to
@@djhooker8782 ah alright my b I think I may have gotten that mixed up with how waveshining is really hard when ypu are not hitting any body but super easy when you actually hit a character or shield because the hitlag is like gannon stomp for some reason lmao
As a player still learning how to play competitively, out of all the matches I've played. Puff is the most boring to play against, and Marth is the most frustrating. He just has no lag, and unmatched spacing. I can't approach him
As a Peach "main" I hate peach. I should clarify Peach is my best character for some reason but I dont really main anyone I just play like 80% of the roster. Anyways Peach is stupid and easy and down smash is broken, RNG and items are lame... but at the same time she can be hella hype with the right rng and the right DI. But I understand the dislike of most characters. Almost every character has some OP move that just feels lame. Except Ganon and Mario I feel like both of those characters are hype and dont really have a busted move. Marios cape against spacies is kinda lame but because it feels lame to do its not a big problem.
As a link main, If I could I would pick ONLINE sheiks. They chain throw dair w no remorse. I'm not great at the game but getting Dthrowed until I die from a fair on the edge of the stage doesn't feel good. All other mu and irl sheiks are fun
Fox is fun to combo 100%, but idk I’m not at a level where I can ever beat a gold fox (I’m a gold falco). I can beat most falcons, Marths, even an easier time with sheik, but Fox just runs all over me.
Really nice production n everything! and how you caught every ones reactions was top notch! I realize how hard this all is so good shit on pulling this all off! @@nilpholan
Actually putting the stage up there when HMW said fd got me good. Good vid
had to keep the bit going o7
Of course Wizzy's answer reflects his innate purity
we have come so far as a community
I did, in fact, do this three and six years ago, respectively. Results are on this channel as "Mad Melee"
aMSa singly handed moving Yoshi into higher tiers, again
ice climbers, before wobbling was banned
i already made that video @@beardalaxy
Icies would've been wayyyyy higher too lmao
Wizzrobe being based asf unsurprisingly. Long live melee ❤
great editing, the flow from comment to comment was really good, not to mention the gameplay to go with what they are saying 👍
thank you for noticing, really tried to create some fluidity
The FD Pick instead of characters is so based it's true
Wholesome Wizzy
surprised sheik and ics aren't higher, really fun vid :)
I was thinking the same haha
Banning wobbling moved them down several spots.
Even though only one person called out Luigi, as i Luigi main i still feel attacked by his painful words.
it's def harsh, but you have to remember: Luigi's Italian
I really REALLY want to say my most hated character is fox
I hate fox SO much
But I can't honestly say that my personal melee hell involves playing fox for eternity
And in that spirit, I gotta go with Ness
Luigi way too underhated here
🥲
Really thought Sheik would be higher on this list or #1. Maybe top players don't see her as big of a threat.
She's kind of just a well rounded character tbh
It's because like half the top 100 play spacies and they destroy sheik :)
@@matty3501 True, but unless you're a near perfect spacie player low level Sheiks will shit all over you.
There is my man reporting on my favourite eSport again.
Thanks for the good work!
o7 my brother 💖
Amsa 2v1ing that guy's friends and probably him too while smiling is the most Amsa thing ever
The k up character that is able to make me rage in melee is Luigi. (Mainly online). Really fun when they turn on their lag switch, do one wavedahs across the whole stage, and then throw out a frame 1 Aireal.
0:20 Those pretzels are delicious
lets goooooo
I hate Luigi because it’s humiliating to lose to him and he’s just a stupid guy
Waff spittin tho 💯
always does
Great editing! This was super easy and fun to watch
thank you for noticing!
As a Peach main I agree with the Peach votes. We're degenerates and her toolkit is so fun and intuitive to me, but a little part of my conscience dies when somebody accidentally crouch-cancels the 50th down-smash I've thrown out that match.
(Of course good Peach play is so much more than that move, but at low-to-mid-level way too many players get hit by it way more often than they should)
Yeah, that's why I love to be a marth main because you can space that and if you're tight, you will never be hit by this move and that's awesome. Love this mu
As fox I'll run into it all the time but I'm never mad about it. Peach is a blast to play against. I enjoy the combo routes on her.
@@RiggedandReady You're the real one for saying that. I love playing against good Fox players as Peach. I think it's so fun-both sides can mess each other up if you play well.
good vid captures the modern melee scene well
Fun video, love seeing content like this that highlights more of the community
aMSa's middle finger makes my day
he really is a legend
Sheik dodging bullets out here
2:59 actually cracked me up lol
That chick trashing everyone below top 6 is incredibly based
That's jade!
Idk man. A Marth main calling mid tiers brainless takes some ballz
Bro, if she was like Fox or sum'n I'd respectfully disagree. But she plays the king of get you off stage and down tilt until he feels comfortable to F smash
I'm salty cuz I play doc and doc just has no fucking tools against Marth other than pill spacing
someone playing a mid to low tier character is using more brain power than most marth and falco mains
It's actually crazy to see some of my friends in this video
HMW spit in this video. Many other takes in this video are heavily biased hot garbage perpetuated by people who don't actually understand how the characters work
how many people in this video do you think you can beat in a bo3 set?
Already have beaten bbatts and tamus in a bo3, the rest I've never played. But even then an iron man is a more fitting test of your overall understanding of every character in the game and the only people in this vid who have a chance of beating me in that, are Moky and Zain.
@@MetiCu the only thing funnier than thinking you can beat Amsa is dictating sweeping, specific terms on which you will categorically lose to Amsa. Please do your best to come at this video from a place of lighthearted jabbing humor or take your weird unchecked ego elsewhere
@@nilpholan 99.9% of melee players wouldn't beat amsa in a bo3 so I fail to see why that matters or is relevant. I wasn't even referring to Amsa's take specifically because I agree with his, peach's downsmash is cringe. I just think takes like milkman's that falco fox is "70-30" is a meme. Like you play one of the most OP characters in the game that is just pure cope man. Idk what to tell you.
@@MetiCu you're taking this whole thing way too seriously
Only character i never care too much about watching is Fox ig. Idk getting hit by fox isn't very fun and i like my hands to feel good
great movie, phil
omg its triple c! letsgoooo
I am SHOCKED that neither Falco _or_ Marth won the hate-off.
The guy who said Peach and Falco were tied for him had his vote counted for Peach, so it's not like Falco lost the hate-off.
I would love to hear what bobby big ballz has to say about his least favorite character
U ask mid level and marth wins unanimously lmaooo
You ask any Marth player and it's a mid tier lol. I respect it tho fuck ganon
What is mid level
Thank you. This vid really had me scratching my head with how non-existant the marth hate was (I'm a marth main btw, he's awful.)
@@DP3mo24hofosho @DP3mo24hofosho Smack dab "level" between casual players and top players. Prolly like standard local tournament (typically 8-100 entrants) players who can get a game/match win here and there but don't win events too much.
“I don’t like his vibes”
Not a single Fox? I hate it so much. Maybe I just suck.
genuinely surprised Luigi didn't even end up on the board
Not one person said Fox? Insane.
Based Wizzrobe take
As falco its fox. Honestly when you're plahing Falco you generally get to be a bit more spacy but still rushdoen aggressive and mean bevause he has wonderful combo tools, but against fox you pretty much have to play spacy because fox is simply faster than you. As Dr. Mario its easily Marth. His up special is one of the hardest out of the top teirs to Cape, his spacing can keep doc far enough away so that doc cant exactly get in good combos, and docs linear recovery pattern makes for easy spacing for D-tilts and F-smashes
4:56 soonsay cracks me up, and that clip only makes it better
That mf owes me a set he got me dq'd one time when I was up against him 😠😠😠
Great video
Thanks for watching :,)
was that bbatts at 2:00 funny af lol
the one and only!
how did more people not say luigi that is actually the vain of my existence
That guy who hates no one is pure of heart
Kinda thought I was alone on the falco laser hate. I main falco but I never laser like most falcos do. I’ll throw one out sometimes for a mixup but I know how lasers make me feel in a mirror and I don’t wish that upon my worst enemy. I’d rather lose than win because of lasers
Falco dittos are so annoying if your playing a laser camping Falco. If neutral b was banned from the ditto it would be a top 5 match up easily
Its tough because its such a good tool, but you feel bad playing it. At least spamming it, Im still the noob that does two approaching lazers and then dairs. If im in tournament (or losing in ranked) then i feel less bad.
Flash with the most based answer
single handedly redeeming the state of Ohio of all wrongdoing
After wobbling was banned, I don’t find myself hating any of the characters with one exception just based on character moveset.
Ganondorf feels like the biggest waste of a slot because his moveset is literally just Falcon’s but worse. Even incorporating the sword in his smash attacks didn’t do much to make him unique.
bro was spitting in 1:54
1:04 as a Luigi main that’s 100% true but heeeey come on
Lestsgoooo peach 🎉
1:04 I have never thought about it that way but fuck me if that isnt spot on.
Gotta love Wizzy
I honestly thought Marth would get more hate
Wizzy my goat
please get bobby on the mic
which one
the chicken man@@nilpholan
bobby's balls were too big for his own good
Funny video, thanks for making this!
hell yeah thank you my goat 🙌
Wizzrobe had the best answer. Lol
puff hate at an all time low we need to change this.
Hoborg still hating falco is hilarious
I like to believe your initial question was "who do you hate most in melee?" and everyone just answers "Leffen".
What we see here is just the second take.
I feel like a lot of the people I spoke to have known or interacted with Leffen personally to some degree and would, in fact, not say that at all. go outside
Sweet video! I really enjoyed it
hell yeah, ty!
Lmfao at ranking #7
gotta max out on representation
A character being "too easy" is the most hater shit. I know this is just fun and I'm for sure not judging anyone but it's always hilarious to me. One of those insults that are actually a compliment. "It's too easy for you to beat me".
thank you for playing along haha
I can feel the rage through their thoughts.
We need a sanctioned boxing ring to settle the scores.
this video is that
Sheik, blergh
I want you to know this is a safe space, and you are heard and understood
As a new Mario main starting one day ago and already destroying level 9 cpu's, I hate fighting Mewtwo.
Also nobody hates Mario! Yippee!
Definitely peach. Only character in the game that will legitimately beat you by doing nothing. They literally never even have to come near you the entire game and they'll still win.
It's so crazy that Peach is #1. Half those mfers never played her and clearly don't know how hard she is to play and be good.
how does that, in any way, refute their experience playing against her?
@@nilpholan Because they would then understand that getting bodied by her isn't as cheap/easy as they seem to think.
🤓@@riffz6065
As a falco player, its gotta be Luigi. At least playing against him. Just un comboable cuz floaty and nair, and i hate his dair. Otherwise I support all characters, even Luigi. I just hate fighting him.
I like how Moky avoided saying Peach to not show his mald for the character like everyone else. I know how much that man hates Peach. My most hated is Fox and Fox players, they all think they have the grand right to win because they play the top tier and anyone who challenges their narrative is "this that or the other thing". Your character is far more potentially lame than even Puff because of its speed, You never have to interact ever. I'd rather fight Puffs than a Fox who camps. At least Jigglypuffs will try to scrap nowadays, Fox's are so lame they might as well not be able to walk.
Fox is the most buffedcharacter by slippi as well 2 frames of buffer FAR helps spacies more than anyone else but on Lan when you aren't getting carried by waveshining being 2 frames easier you have to actually be tight lmao
@@andrewwebb624 that’s not how it works at ALL
@@andrewwebb624that’s not how slippi works. There is no 2 frame buffer. That 2 frame that it shows is a delay to emulate console play. Although the audio delay (an emulator un optimization) definitely buffs fox and falco since it makes side b very hard to react to
@@djhooker8782 ah alright my b I think I may have gotten that mixed up with how waveshining is really hard when ypu are not hitting any body but super easy when you actually hit a character or shield because the hitlag is like gannon stomp for some reason lmao
As a player still learning how to play competitively, out of all the matches I've played. Puff is the most boring to play against, and Marth is the most frustrating. He just has no lag, and unmatched spacing. I can't approach him
Peach spams down smash makes the player base look like brainlets
I have come to the conclusion on this video that I hate every melee not for their character but for their character bias
Coming melee alive I love it!
Amsa is the melee authority. Peach is broken. All armada wins are null and void. Llod, go back to being a doctor or something 😌
amazing video fr
i dont mess around o7
Sheik avoiding slander somehow
0 foxs? Doubts.
I just hate melee players online.
You asked 40 melee players who they hate the most and nobody said Saddam Hussein
that you know of!
Anyone who plays any of the Marios has something wrong with them
Lmao this is a great vid, I'd say icies prob
thanks for checkin it out!
0:40 Where does that footage come from?
As a Peach "main" I hate peach. I should clarify Peach is my best character for some reason but I dont really main anyone I just play like 80% of the roster. Anyways Peach is stupid and easy and down smash is broken, RNG and items are lame... but at the same time she can be hella hype with the right rng and the right DI.
But I understand the dislike of most characters. Almost every character has some OP move that just feels lame. Except Ganon and Mario I feel like both of those characters are hype and dont really have a busted move. Marios cape against spacies is kinda lame but because it feels lame to do its not a big problem.
Wizzy with the godtier answer as expected.
game and watch because he's only used by sociopaths who are trying to style on noobs
welcome back!
feels gr8 m8, thank you
I live for the puff hate
Was that squid?
I hate fox because I main puff
Absolutely amazed by the lack of fox, even as a fox main that character is bullshit
Easy Luigi or ice climbers
As a link main, If I could I would pick ONLINE sheiks. They chain throw dair w no remorse. I'm not great at the game but getting Dthrowed until I die from a fair on the edge of the stage doesn't feel good. All other mu and irl sheiks are fun
Now make them play their most hated characters.
No foxes, that’s interesting. I wonder why
Because fox is actually fun to play against
Fox is fun to combo 100%, but idk I’m not at a level where I can ever beat a gold fox (I’m a gold falco). I can beat most falcons, Marths, even an easier time with sheik, but Fox just runs all over me.
Falco because falco players pick the coolest most combey character and just camp instead
I can’t believe so many people said Ganon lmao
one of them mains him, and they're all right
Dood! Love this kinda content! God Bless
wooooo thanks for watching!
Really nice production n everything! and how you caught every ones reactions was top notch! I realize how hard this all is so good shit on pulling this all off! @@nilpholan
I fucking love wizzrobe
I despise the ice climbers.