The k up character that is able to make me rage in melee is Luigi. (Mainly online). Really fun when they turn on their lag switch, do one wavedahs across the whole stage, and then throw out a frame 1 Aireal.
I really REALLY want to say my most hated character is fox I hate fox SO much But I can't honestly say that my personal melee hell involves playing fox for eternity And in that spirit, I gotta go with Ness
After wobbling was banned, I don’t find myself hating any of the characters with one exception just based on character moveset. Ganondorf feels like the biggest waste of a slot because his moveset is literally just Falcon’s but worse. Even incorporating the sword in his smash attacks didn’t do much to make him unique.
Kinda thought I was alone on the falco laser hate. I main falco but I never laser like most falcos do. I’ll throw one out sometimes for a mixup but I know how lasers make me feel in a mirror and I don’t wish that upon my worst enemy. I’d rather lose than win because of lasers
Its tough because its such a good tool, but you feel bad playing it. At least spamming it, Im still the noob that does two approaching lazers and then dairs. If im in tournament (or losing in ranked) then i feel less bad.
Bro, if she was like Fox or sum'n I'd respectfully disagree. But she plays the king of get you off stage and down tilt until he feels comfortable to F smash I'm salty cuz I play doc and doc just has no fucking tools against Marth other than pill spacing
I like to believe your initial question was "who do you hate most in melee?" and everyone just answers "Leffen". What we see here is just the second take.
I feel like a lot of the people I spoke to have known or interacted with Leffen personally to some degree and would, in fact, not say that at all. go outside
As a Peach main I agree with the Peach votes. We're degenerates and her toolkit is so fun and intuitive to me, but a little part of my conscience dies when somebody accidentally crouch-cancels the 50th down-smash I've thrown out that match. (Of course good Peach play is so much more than that move, but at low-to-mid-level way too many players get hit by it way more often than they should)
Yeah, that's why I love to be a marth main because you can space that and if you're tight, you will never be hit by this move and that's awesome. Love this mu
@@RiggedandReady You're the real one for saying that. I love playing against good Fox players as Peach. I think it's so fun-both sides can mess each other up if you play well.
A character being "too easy" is the most hater shit. I know this is just fun and I'm for sure not judging anyone but it's always hilarious to me. One of those insults that are actually a compliment. "It's too easy for you to beat me".
As falco its fox. Honestly when you're plahing Falco you generally get to be a bit more spacy but still rushdoen aggressive and mean bevause he has wonderful combo tools, but against fox you pretty much have to play spacy because fox is simply faster than you. As Dr. Mario its easily Marth. His up special is one of the hardest out of the top teirs to Cape, his spacing can keep doc far enough away so that doc cant exactly get in good combos, and docs linear recovery pattern makes for easy spacing for D-tilts and F-smashes
@@DP3mo24hofosho @DP3mo24hofosho Smack dab "level" between casual players and top players. Prolly like standard local tournament (typically 8-100 entrants) players who can get a game/match win here and there but don't win events too much.
As a player still learning how to play competitively, out of all the matches I've played. Puff is the most boring to play against, and Marth is the most frustrating. He just has no lag, and unmatched spacing. I can't approach him
HMW spit in this video. Many other takes in this video are heavily biased hot garbage perpetuated by people who don't actually understand how the characters work
Already have beaten bbatts and tamus in a bo3, the rest I've never played. But even then an iron man is a more fitting test of your overall understanding of every character in the game and the only people in this vid who have a chance of beating me in that, are Moky and Zain.
@@MetiCu the only thing funnier than thinking you can beat Amsa is dictating sweeping, specific terms on which you will categorically lose to Amsa. Please do your best to come at this video from a place of lighthearted jabbing humor or take your weird unchecked ego elsewhere
@@nilpholan 99.9% of melee players wouldn't beat amsa in a bo3 so I fail to see why that matters or is relevant. I wasn't even referring to Amsa's take specifically because I agree with his, peach's downsmash is cringe. I just think takes like milkman's that falco fox is "70-30" is a meme. Like you play one of the most OP characters in the game that is just pure cope man. Idk what to tell you.
Definitely peach. Only character in the game that will legitimately beat you by doing nothing. They literally never even have to come near you the entire game and they'll still win.
As a link main, If I could I would pick ONLINE sheiks. They chain throw dair w no remorse. I'm not great at the game but getting Dthrowed until I die from a fair on the edge of the stage doesn't feel good. All other mu and irl sheiks are fun
My best guess at this bizarre observation is that you're talking about the EggDog hoodie that Wizzy and BBatts are wearing. They're a cool lil sponsor that players like
As a falco player, its gotta be Luigi. At least playing against him. Just un comboable cuz floaty and nair, and i hate his dair. Otherwise I support all characters, even Luigi. I just hate fighting him.
I like how Moky avoided saying Peach to not show his mald for the character like everyone else. I know how much that man hates Peach. My most hated is Fox and Fox players, they all think they have the grand right to win because they play the top tier and anyone who challenges their narrative is "this that or the other thing". Your character is far more potentially lame than even Puff because of its speed, You never have to interact ever. I'd rather fight Puffs than a Fox who camps. At least Jigglypuffs will try to scrap nowadays, Fox's are so lame they might as well not be able to walk.
Fox is the most buffedcharacter by slippi as well 2 frames of buffer FAR helps spacies more than anyone else but on Lan when you aren't getting carried by waveshining being 2 frames easier you have to actually be tight lmao
@@andrewwebb624that’s not how slippi works. There is no 2 frame buffer. That 2 frame that it shows is a delay to emulate console play. Although the audio delay (an emulator un optimization) definitely buffs fox and falco since it makes side b very hard to react to
@@djhooker8782 ah alright my b I think I may have gotten that mixed up with how waveshining is really hard when ypu are not hitting any body but super easy when you actually hit a character or shield because the hitlag is like gannon stomp for some reason lmao
I don't think stating marth is unfair because he has a sword is a good argument because roy 😂 but yeah I can see why he could be hated. Playing him for ten years and he's broken and I love it. Hard to find the rhytme with him sometime tho but once you find it oh man
As a marth hater myself my main gripe isnt the sword or the range (although that is a pain with any low mobility character) but the fact that he just has good spacing built into some of his animations. He ducks way down while dashing away and makes it rly difficult to hit him unless u way overshoot, and when he uptilts he twists his body away and causes short moves to whiff at close range
Actually putting the stage up there when HMW said fd got me good. Good vid
had to keep the bit going o7
Of course Wizzy's answer reflects his innate purity
we have come so far as a community
I did, in fact, do this three and six years ago, respectively. Results are on this channel as "Mad Melee"
aMSa singly handed moving Yoshi into higher tiers, again
ice climbers, before wobbling was banned
i already made that video @@beardalaxy
Icies would've been wayyyyy higher too lmao
Wholesome Wizzy
Wizzrobe being based asf unsurprisingly. Long live melee ❤
great editing, the flow from comment to comment was really good, not to mention the gameplay to go with what they are saying 👍
thank you for noticing, really tried to create some fluidity
The FD Pick instead of characters is so based it's true
surprised sheik and ics aren't higher, really fun vid :)
I was thinking the same haha
Banning wobbling moved them down several spots.
Even though only one person called out Luigi, as i Luigi main i still feel attacked by his painful words.
it's def harsh, but you have to remember: Luigi's Italian
Amsa 2v1ing that guy's friends and probably him too while smiling is the most Amsa thing ever
The k up character that is able to make me rage in melee is Luigi. (Mainly online). Really fun when they turn on their lag switch, do one wavedahs across the whole stage, and then throw out a frame 1 Aireal.
There is my man reporting on my favourite eSport again.
Thanks for the good work!
o7 my brother 💖
Luigi way too underhated here
🥲
Really thought Sheik would be higher on this list or #1. Maybe top players don't see her as big of a threat.
She's kind of just a well rounded character tbh
It's because like half the top 100 play spacies and they destroy sheik :)
@@matty3501 True, but unless you're a near perfect spacie player low level Sheiks will shit all over you.
Waff spittin tho 💯
always does
Sheik dodging bullets out here
0:20 Those pretzels are delicious
lets goooooo
Fun video, love seeing content like this that highlights more of the community
I really REALLY want to say my most hated character is fox
I hate fox SO much
But I can't honestly say that my personal melee hell involves playing fox for eternity
And in that spirit, I gotta go with Ness
Great editing! This was super easy and fun to watch
thank you for noticing!
It's actually crazy to see some of my friends in this video
1:04 I have never thought about it that way but fuck me if that isnt spot on.
good vid captures the modern melee scene well
2:59 actually cracked me up lol
I am SHOCKED that neither Falco _or_ Marth won the hate-off.
The guy who said Peach and Falco were tied for him had his vote counted for Peach, so it's not like Falco lost the hate-off.
“I don’t like his vibes”
genuinely surprised Luigi didn't even end up on the board
I hate Luigi because it’s humiliating to lose to him and he’s just a stupid guy
aMSa's middle finger makes my day
he really is a legend
1:04 as a Luigi main that’s 100% true but heeeey come on
4:56 soonsay cracks me up, and that clip only makes it better
That mf owes me a set he got me dq'd one time when I was up against him 😠😠😠
Not one person said Fox? Insane.
After wobbling was banned, I don’t find myself hating any of the characters with one exception just based on character moveset.
Ganondorf feels like the biggest waste of a slot because his moveset is literally just Falcon’s but worse. Even incorporating the sword in his smash attacks didn’t do much to make him unique.
great movie, phil
omg its triple c! letsgoooo
was that bbatts at 2:00 funny af lol
the one and only!
Kinda thought I was alone on the falco laser hate. I main falco but I never laser like most falcos do. I’ll throw one out sometimes for a mixup but I know how lasers make me feel in a mirror and I don’t wish that upon my worst enemy. I’d rather lose than win because of lasers
Falco dittos are so annoying if your playing a laser camping Falco. If neutral b was banned from the ditto it would be a top 5 match up easily
Its tough because its such a good tool, but you feel bad playing it. At least spamming it, Im still the noob that does two approaching lazers and then dairs. If im in tournament (or losing in ranked) then i feel less bad.
Not a single Fox? I hate it so much. Maybe I just suck.
Flash with the most based answer
single handedly redeeming the state of Ohio of all wrongdoing
I would love to hear what bobby big ballz has to say about his least favorite character
That guy who hates no one is pure of heart
That chick trashing everyone below top 6 is incredibly based
That's jade!
Idk man. A Marth main calling mid tiers brainless takes some ballz
Bro, if she was like Fox or sum'n I'd respectfully disagree. But she plays the king of get you off stage and down tilt until he feels comfortable to F smash
I'm salty cuz I play doc and doc just has no fucking tools against Marth other than pill spacing
someone playing a mid to low tier character is using more brain power than most marth and falco mains
Only character i never care too much about watching is Fox ig. Idk getting hit by fox isn't very fun and i like my hands to feel good
how did more people not say luigi that is actually the vain of my existence
Based Wizzrobe take
Lestsgoooo peach 🎉
I like to believe your initial question was "who do you hate most in melee?" and everyone just answers "Leffen".
What we see here is just the second take.
I feel like a lot of the people I spoke to have known or interacted with Leffen personally to some degree and would, in fact, not say that at all. go outside
Great video
Thanks for watching :,)
Gotta love Wizzy
As a Peach main I agree with the Peach votes. We're degenerates and her toolkit is so fun and intuitive to me, but a little part of my conscience dies when somebody accidentally crouch-cancels the 50th down-smash I've thrown out that match.
(Of course good Peach play is so much more than that move, but at low-to-mid-level way too many players get hit by it way more often than they should)
Yeah, that's why I love to be a marth main because you can space that and if you're tight, you will never be hit by this move and that's awesome. Love this mu
As fox I'll run into it all the time but I'm never mad about it. Peach is a blast to play against. I enjoy the combo routes on her.
@@RiggedandReady You're the real one for saying that. I love playing against good Fox players as Peach. I think it's so fun-both sides can mess each other up if you play well.
I honestly thought Marth would get more hate
A character being "too easy" is the most hater shit. I know this is just fun and I'm for sure not judging anyone but it's always hilarious to me. One of those insults that are actually a compliment. "It's too easy for you to beat me".
thank you for playing along haha
As falco its fox. Honestly when you're plahing Falco you generally get to be a bit more spacy but still rushdoen aggressive and mean bevause he has wonderful combo tools, but against fox you pretty much have to play spacy because fox is simply faster than you. As Dr. Mario its easily Marth. His up special is one of the hardest out of the top teirs to Cape, his spacing can keep doc far enough away so that doc cant exactly get in good combos, and docs linear recovery pattern makes for easy spacing for D-tilts and F-smashes
Wizzrobe had the best answer. Lol
puff hate at an all time low we need to change this.
please get bobby on the mic
which one
the chicken man@@nilpholan
bobby's balls were too big for his own good
Funny video, thanks for making this!
hell yeah thank you my goat 🙌
bro was spitting in 1:54
U ask mid level and marth wins unanimously lmaooo
You ask any Marth player and it's a mid tier lol. I respect it tho fuck ganon
What is mid level
Thank you. This vid really had me scratching my head with how non-existant the marth hate was (I'm a marth main btw, he's awful.)
@@DP3mo24hofosho @DP3mo24hofosho Smack dab "level" between casual players and top players. Prolly like standard local tournament (typically 8-100 entrants) players who can get a game/match win here and there but don't win events too much.
It's so crazy that Peach is #1. Half those mfers never played her and clearly don't know how hard she is to play and be good.
how does that, in any way, refute their experience playing against her?
@@nilpholan Because they would then understand that getting bodied by her isn't as cheap/easy as they seem to think.
🤓@@riffz6065
As a player still learning how to play competitively, out of all the matches I've played. Puff is the most boring to play against, and Marth is the most frustrating. He just has no lag, and unmatched spacing. I can't approach him
0:40 Where does that footage come from?
HMW spit in this video. Many other takes in this video are heavily biased hot garbage perpetuated by people who don't actually understand how the characters work
how many people in this video do you think you can beat in a bo3 set?
Already have beaten bbatts and tamus in a bo3, the rest I've never played. But even then an iron man is a more fitting test of your overall understanding of every character in the game and the only people in this vid who have a chance of beating me in that, are Moky and Zain.
@@MetiCu the only thing funnier than thinking you can beat Amsa is dictating sweeping, specific terms on which you will categorically lose to Amsa. Please do your best to come at this video from a place of lighthearted jabbing humor or take your weird unchecked ego elsewhere
@@nilpholan 99.9% of melee players wouldn't beat amsa in a bo3 so I fail to see why that matters or is relevant. I wasn't even referring to Amsa's take specifically because I agree with his, peach's downsmash is cringe. I just think takes like milkman's that falco fox is "70-30" is a meme. Like you play one of the most OP characters in the game that is just pure cope man. Idk what to tell you.
@@MetiCu you're taking this whole thing way too seriously
Sweet video! I really enjoyed it
hell yeah, ty!
Hoborg still hating falco is hilarious
I can feel the rage through their thoughts.
We need a sanctioned boxing ring to settle the scores.
this video is that
Wizzy my goat
Coming melee alive I love it!
Definitely peach. Only character in the game that will legitimately beat you by doing nothing. They literally never even have to come near you the entire game and they'll still win.
Wizzy with the godtier answer as expected.
Nobody hates pichu?
I have come to the conclusion on this video that I hate every melee not for their character but for their character bias
I hate fox because I main puff
Was that squid?
Sheik avoiding slander somehow
As a link main, If I could I would pick ONLINE sheiks. They chain throw dair w no remorse. I'm not great at the game but getting Dthrowed until I die from a fair on the edge of the stage doesn't feel good. All other mu and irl sheiks are fun
As a new Mario main starting one day ago and already destroying level 9 cpu's, I hate fighting Mewtwo.
Also nobody hates Mario! Yippee!
Sheik, blergh
I want you to know this is a safe space, and you are heard and understood
Peach spams down smash makes the player base look like brainlets
I fucking love wizzrobe
Why do like half the people in this video have that white shirt with the seals on it
My best guess at this bizarre observation is that you're talking about the EggDog hoodie that Wizzy and BBatts are wearing. They're a cool lil sponsor that players like
@@nilpholan that makes sense, thanks!
welcome back!
feels gr8 m8, thank you
0 foxs? Doubts.
Easy Luigi or ice climbers
amazing video fr
i dont mess around o7
Lmfao at ranking #7
gotta max out on representation
Absolutely amazed by the lack of fox, even as a fox main that character is bullshit
I agree with wizzrobe.
notice how nobody said mr. game and watch
it's a conspiracy
@@nilpholan dont expose us 🤫
How did 0 people in this video say fox 😭
I just kept asking people, and they just kept not saying Fox it's crazyyyyy. I don't think he's the worst, or even close, but I expected someone to!
@@nilpholan the thing with fox is that he's the most fun character to combo/punish with every character. everyone hates fox until they get in lol
LXIX kind of said Fox at 1:54, but I agree I'm surprised it wasn't more LOL
As a falco player, its gotta be Luigi. At least playing against him. Just un comboable cuz floaty and nair, and i hate his dair. Otherwise I support all characters, even Luigi. I just hate fighting him.
game and watch because he's only used by sociopaths who are trying to style on noobs
Yo is that wizzrobe? What a G being the first to speak fax
none other!
Falcon is free tho
I like how Moky avoided saying Peach to not show his mald for the character like everyone else. I know how much that man hates Peach. My most hated is Fox and Fox players, they all think they have the grand right to win because they play the top tier and anyone who challenges their narrative is "this that or the other thing". Your character is far more potentially lame than even Puff because of its speed, You never have to interact ever. I'd rather fight Puffs than a Fox who camps. At least Jigglypuffs will try to scrap nowadays, Fox's are so lame they might as well not be able to walk.
Fox is the most buffedcharacter by slippi as well 2 frames of buffer FAR helps spacies more than anyone else but on Lan when you aren't getting carried by waveshining being 2 frames easier you have to actually be tight lmao
@@andrewwebb624 that’s not how it works at ALL
@@andrewwebb624that’s not how slippi works. There is no 2 frame buffer. That 2 frame that it shows is a delay to emulate console play. Although the audio delay (an emulator un optimization) definitely buffs fox and falco since it makes side b very hard to react to
@@djhooker8782 ah alright my b I think I may have gotten that mixed up with how waveshining is really hard when ypu are not hitting any body but super easy when you actually hit a character or shield because the hitlag is like gannon stomp for some reason lmao
ppl don't hate fox at all???
was that mockrock at 2:46 ?
you mean etossed?
Falco because falco players pick the coolest most combey character and just camp instead
I don't think stating marth is unfair because he has a sword is a good argument because roy 😂 but yeah I can see why he could be hated. Playing him for ten years and he's broken and I love it. Hard to find the rhytme with him sometime tho but once you find it oh man
As a marth hater myself my main gripe isnt the sword or the range (although that is a pain with any low mobility character) but the fact that he just has good spacing built into some of his animations. He ducks way down while dashing away and makes it rly difficult to hit him unless u way overshoot, and when he uptilts he twists his body away and causes short moves to whiff at close range
It legit feels like any marth with a decent dashdance game is so slippery and impossible to hit unless they shield
Lmao this is a great vid, I'd say icies prob
thanks for checkin it out!
Amsa is the melee authority. Peach is broken. All armada wins are null and void. Llod, go back to being a doctor or something 😌