Camille Paglia on Her Lifestyle of Observation and Lamb Vindaloo | Conversations with Tyler
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- Camille Paglia joins Tyler Cowen for a conversation on the brilliance of Bowie, lamb vindaloo, her lifestyle of observation, why writers need real jobs, Star Wars, Harold Bloom, Amelia Earhart, Edmund Spenser, Brazil, and why she is most definitely not a cultural conservative.
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I wish that *Camille Paglia would record her University lectures and post them online,* the way that Jordan B. Peterson does.
Yeeahhh!👍🏻
That would be awesome :)
She has said that she is against bringing video recording into her own lectures... Sacred space, etc.
@@tomredwest 'Saint Camille.' ? 🚽
K R hell yes i would so watch that. I love watching her interviews.
For me she is the most fascinating mind out there. I could listen to her all day long. Utterly mesmerising.
Ain’t that the truth..!
Camille is good on feminism, but not especially wise or learned on any other topic. I read Sexual Personae when it was first published and it struck me as a mass of declarative sentences not well supported by evidence. She’s a pop culture intellectual; which is to say that she appeals to people who are not themselves very knowledgeable about many topics she addresses.
@@nicmart We’ll have to agree to disagree.
I agree with Harold Bloom that Sexual Personae is the greatest work of non-fiction of the second half of the twentieth century.
NatSci Perhaps, but without knowledge of all her assertions I don’t think it possible to evaluate. It’s a jumble of claims and evaluations I can’t begin to judge. That’s not to say others can’t, but it’s too niche to be blessed with greatness, I think.
I very much doubt that anyone can be widely enough read to make such a sweeping claim as you do.
She's not only a pop culture intellect, she's a PhD Professor, Scholar and has been consistently regarded as one of the world's top intellects. To top it all off she's funny and was very attractive looking when she burst on the scene in the 90s, she's still damn cute even to this day in my opinion.
God, I hope she lives forever ...
Listening to her, I truly think she's one of the most original thinkers we have left in this country with the scholarly chops to back up her ideas.
I agree with you . Love this woman. I also think Noam Chomsky is another great original intellectual out there.
Can you imagine a conversation between Camille Paglia and Thomas Sowell?!
I really can't imagine. Would definitely be interesting.
The hissing upon mentioning Sontag makes my day, every time.
Just crying ... tears of laughter ... heart-stopping ... convulsions of mirth all the way through ... a meme a minute ...just incredible ...
14:30 "I dont believe this online thing at all. I think that you need a live person, and you need a live person who can talk extemporaneously and respond to the moment. Not just people who are reading the same old damn lecture over and over again." FINALLY! Someone with integrity and intelligence has spit this out!
There is no reason that extemporaneity need be excluded from an online lecture. She doesn't address the fundamental driver here: the outrageous cost of attending American universities, driven by systemic corruption. In the end, these universities will go the way of the English monasteries, once the American Henry VIII appears amongst us. There will be nostalgia for their loss, but the gains will outrun the losses in a full accounting.
I love watching Camille Paglia, but damn this man is such a good interviewer!
Does this woman even sleep?
I love her :)
As a Conservative, I can listen to her, agree strongly, disagree strongly, and NEVER be offended by her. That's what makes her special. She has a very powerful will and intellect, but she always strives to understand other views.
She never breathes or comes up for air.
She needs to get off whatever she's taking! She's too hyper intensive for me!
She's awesome, I currently reading her first book: Sexual Personae
Brilliant! I love her rapid fire speech and wit. A pleasure to listen to her.
“…I shall never let a woman in my life!” Prof. Henry Higgins
What a true individual, insouciant to fashionable truisms demanded by transient public opinion! She sounds like a cultural conservative at times, probably because her aesthetics and thinking has been honed by the Classics. And there is nothing more revolutionary than the contemporary reading of the Classics because its substance always flies in the face of what is current opinion.
Well said!
Fabulous comment and I absolutely agree.
Wow what a breath of fresh air. Marvelous. I've only just heard of this lady in 2020.
I don't know what I would do without Camille Paglia in the world. Her ideas and insight calibrate and initialize my intellect; what I have of one. I'm worried that when she passes on or "bows out" there won't be anyone left who can "call the bullshit" in America, the world and life as a whole.
+NelsonClick We have to pick up the relay.
hear hear Nelson! well put. she is truly a phenomenal thinker, a towering intellect whose departure would leave us the poorer - no doubt. perhaps I'm in groupie mode, but I can't actually think of any other thinker with this kind of grasp of world history or insight into human nature. in a very different way Edward Said perhaps...I don't know.
I totally agree. I don't know of others who are as dissident as she is and calling out the bullshit of modern society the way she does.
Try Jordan Peterson!
Can't we have both? Ideas last longer than people do.
I was pleased to hear that she, when asked which Shakespeare play was the most underrated, suggested _Antony and Cleopatra_. I have always viewed it as one of the playwright's major works. Her argument that its centering on imperialism may have damaged its stature is a compelling one…
In the early 1990s, I broke up with my boyfriend because he and his second wave feminist female friends tore into me over my love of Paglia. Best decision I ever made. Love you, Camille!!
My son was crushed when I said I loved Camille
Musicians, who really embrace artistic values, stay underground these days for a reason. They know they can't create freely with these mainstream record labels. I want to hear her opinions on underground music (not just the current era but back a few decades as well) if she has explored it.
Taylor Swift despite her sometimes Barbie Image is more interesting than her music which sounds very mediocre to me.
You ain't kidding cuz
But honestly I think the postmodern political trojan horse that has been trampling its way to the core of the mainstream has infiltrated all the arts.
I'm a musician and author and every year has been more terrifying than the one before.
They've finally banned pseudonyms at most publishers so they can properly vet your social media accounts and make sure you're not spreading that wrongthink.
Of all things, as bad as it is, the music industry is our last hope for weirding up the mainstream
Please help me go abroad! Music is my passion!
She’s a pleasure to listen to. Like Italian opera.
Just discovered Tyler - what a wonderful interviewer - so probing yet so gentle & kind - absolutely lovely guy.
I love hyper people - they're more interesting and sincere! Camille Paglia is busting out with ideas!
...courageous, truth seeking, an iconoclastic and original thinker, the most well informed guide to our culture your ever likely to find...She is one of my only hero's...make her yours, ( in case you haven't already done so)...you won't regret it.
Camille was in great form in this one - I have adored her since I first read Sexual Persone in 1991! So few intellectuals have a sense of humour!
I really want her to and Joe Rogan have a no time limits 48 hour long interview.
2 italians shootin the shit
Haha I'd watch it, but I don't know if Joe could keep up with this one.
Thanks for making this Available. It’s a Treasure.
"My life is completely mundane.
I deal with everyday life."
Terrific.
37:16 this is how I preceived feminism when I heard about her and other women who just did their job, who went into politics ,without all the "identity" politics attached to it. Thanks Laci green, Thanks Dworkin, Thanks Anita Sarkeesian, Thanks hooks, thanks Firestone for demolishing true feminism. I've always considered my grandmother and many middle class women of my town I know who just stuck out their head and hands for the community as true feminists.
What we have now is social homeopathy, men hating sophistry, wrapped in academic smooth jargon.
+CosmicD I was part of this movement myself, I think that when you grow up in areas such as LA you are more likely to be conditioned into these ideologies, regardless of whether they're true or not.
It was up until recently that I discovered I was wrong by trying to justify my claim regarding the Wage Gap, I had to do research on the issue to prove some random guy wrong and I ended up proving myself wrong. Not to mention the effect youtubers like TL;DR and Sargon of Akkad had on my transitioning period from willful ignorance to truth.
I just hope we manage to save this society from the madness Social Justice and Modern Feminism is creating.
+Lexus Fox I knew that it wasn't true intuitively before I got into it and became outspoken about it. Because if you're visually impaired and you grow up and see how many young girls regard you, you know they are all but victims and damn well know what they want.
And the systematic "victimhood" was something they trained us (impaired people) NOT to do/have and which is great!.So I was amazed how this movement perpetuated victimhood in epic proportions for women who taught us not to feel sorry for ourself! It's all so contradictory.
CosmicD I definitely agree with you. It seemed like common sense when my friends would make comments like, "Poor thing, he can't walk. Should I ask him if he needs me to push his wheelchair?" to say, "It seems he's doing a fine job himself, he's impaired not useless, and if you ask him he might take that as an offense."
I have an uncle who fell when he was young and lost his ability to walk, when younger everytime I felt the need to treat him like he was useless he would get offended and would lecture me, telling me his worst pet peeve was when people treated him like he was hopeless.
So, I think I see where you are coming from.
I like to believe that every aspect of my life is a direct or indirect result of my own decisions.
+Lexus Fox yeah I usually noticed this doublethink with women, that they'd feel pitty and compassion for me at the same time, like they'd say stuff like:
"how can you function in society without a car, being a grown up" and at the same time "you do the best you can to survive". That is very condescending. So you get this idea that they're thinking by themself "gosh I can only feel pitty for that guy/can't feel like a woman around him". And then feminism talks about "role models", HA!
I don't feel insulted enough to get depressed over this kind of behavior, and I know not ALL women act like that but enough to start me thinking on how feminism really sells this narrative of women being victimized even more than disabled folk, way under blacks even :)
So it was conflicting to me to see that while we were raised to see the world as it is, to take our disabilities as truths rather than things to wallow about, this seems to exclude being a woman! Which is so strange because adult women around me just have careers AND kids, AND are generally middle class educated people just like men and you see some of em struggle to feel compassion or pitty for me :) Like it almost seems like they are checking their privileges around me :)
So to see radical feminists shout out to ALL MEN (well, all white men to be specific) to check their privilege is a bit dumb and counterproductive to me, and a total misrepresentation of how women are nowadays.
I think I have a crush on Camille Paglia after watching this interview. What an amazing woman she is!
I could listen to her even if she talked about how to clean the carpet perfectly. She makes you happy to live in the same time
So true!
This woman won't breath! My congrats from Brazil
Absolute class.. Always a great listen, love this lady.
She is absolutely fearless! What a breath of fresh air!
I just discovered her; she's me. I'm so glad she's heard and respected.
My Aunty Camille!! Gotta love her.
I love this woman. She's my soulmate.
Camille Paglia is truly brilliant. She is like a female counter-point to Jonathan Bowden. They diverge politically but both have a preternatural power to speak extemperaniously and hold an audience in the palm of their hand. (Check him out on here on TH-cam if you like Camille. You will likely disagree with his politics but he is also a cultural critic and can speak for an hour with no notes) I also really appreciate her cultural chauvanism. She knows where great art, literature and drama originated and she has no qualms about letting everyone know.
Bowden PBUH is no longer with us, and when Camille is gone it will be a long time before we see their likes again.
They're both like powerhouses of knowledge, spitting out literary references every other word. Every time you listen to them or read them you come away with a new addition to your book/movie list
The Bowden-Paglia connection is a nice insight. The vital difference is that Bowden spoke in clear lines of opposition to the UK's corrupt, vassal regime. Paglia is more implicit in her opposition and much more satisfied with the imperial American regime. Perhaps this explains her longevity and Bowden's remarkably early demise (death from heart failure at 49 is not a common occurrence). I also think Bowden's aggressive stance, tone, and rhetoric were becoming. Paglia's attacks often seem on the verge of becoming complaints or womanly whining.
Thanks so much.
Ben Hur is such a great film.
I'm from Salvador, Bahia she talked about! How surprising! Funny thing is, I can't think of any other soteropolitan(people from Salvador - from the greek soteros=salvador=savior) that could be aware of this wonderful woman that is not from high intelectual circles, which I'm certainly not part of.I'm delighted.:)
Dizem que ela namorou a Daniela Mercury.
Love her! I agree with her probably 90% of the time and particularly on the Steinem Polit bureau wing of feminism.
Yes Camile, those are my favorite movies too
She's amazing. I'm always interested in hearing what she has to say.
55:10
reference: Huysmans's des Esseintes from À Rebours
She's so great. My favourite feminist.
At 1:12:40 the actresses she mentions are Jeanne Moreau, Monica Vitti, Anouk Aimée and Melina Mercouri.
Her writing and even extemporaneous speaking always place me in the presence of an artistic Everest, like the Hagia Sophia in architecture or the hand-destroying virtuosity needed to play the piano music of Sorabji. I could just 'experience' her for hour after hour.
We insult her if we call her a feminist. Feminism is a blight on the mind. Camille is not an imitation, not a follower in anyway she is a revolutionary path setter of the first order.
What a *TITAN*!!!
LOVE her!
"I adore Cary Grant. He's like a hallucination." How true.
Is my audio speed set to double?? Nope, it's Camille.
I worship this woman!
On her point "Keep Nefertiti in Berlin, PLEASE." The museum in Cairo just GLUED the mask of Tutankhamun together after it got damaged. So besides ISIS not quite the same standards.
She is utterly brilliant
About meeting your idol, or any famous person, the only time such an experience is worthwhile is when they want to talk to you. I used to go to STAR TREK conventions and I met many of the original 60s show's cast. I'd get tongue-tied. I see other people ask stupid questions. Sometimes the celebrity would be polite and give a nice answer (Patrick Stewart from TNG); sometimes they would savage you (Harlan Ellison). I finally learned the lesson above in 1996 when I had a chance encounter with Morgan Freeman. He was in a coffee shop with a good friend of his who just happened to be my therapist. She introduced me, then when I went to get a cup of coffee and a donut (we were in a cafe across the street from where I worked), he came and sat down next to me. We had a very nice conversation. For once, I said very little and let him do all the talking. He wanted to talk to me.
I've seen other famous people since then...in the political sphere now. I would be at meetings where someone famous would show up (Bill Maher, Salman Rushdie, Rupert Murdoch) and I would listen to people ask the most foolish questions (oftentimes, just long comments where they are trying to show how brilliant they are). Famous people here the same questions time and time again. The only time a question is worth asking if if you really want to know the answer. Otherwise, if you are struggling to ask a question, don't bother. Trust me, they've heard the same questions again and again.
So true about revenge of the sith!
I hated almost every moment of attack of the clones, and revenge of the sith had a lot of the same failings but that scene was such a wild experience after those 3 hours of torture! Watching annakin burn in rage omg.
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I totally love her.
I love this woman
Third wave feminists: Take notes.
5:10 camille is marvelous across the board...
Camille is the truth! What an intellect.
I love her so much 😂❤
Yes, Amazing....
31:13 As a Canadian, you're so correct.
Wonderful
I LOVE this woman
A tour de force as usual. Love to hear a 30 minute rant on Steinman and Fuko by her.
Oh boy. I'm in love with this old lady.
Wow.. I really like this lady..
It's now possible to get an arts degree (From Ivy league school) without knowing about Shakespeare or Hamlet.
Camille Paglia for president !
She is really funny! I like her a lot, I'm gna buy her book: 'Provocations: Collected Essays on Art, Feminism, Politics, Sex, and Education'
Provocations it,s absolute disruptive. ❤
Am with Camille on that battle scene in Revenge of the Sith. It's stunning and has me on the edge of my seat.
Yoda's battle with the Emperor too.
Shes so awesome, I feel the same way about music as she.
yes, indeed. Constantly open...a receiver to all that is possible
Great interviewer
Camille Paglia is one of the most interesting, eclectic and idiosyncratic minds alive today. I am furious with her flippancy about climate change (and some other things), but listening to and reading her is an experience like no other
Yeah I began to wonder about some of her other confident assertions after her jaw dropping dismissal of man’s effect on climate. But hey she IS a human dynamo..
Wow. lol OMG Everytime I watch Camille I need a cigarette!
I wonder if she’s read Charlotte Perkins Gilman’s 1915 novel Herland... written 16 years after The Time Machine...
Camille evidently doesn't live in a McMansion in the suburbs. Everyone has a "home theatre" with surround sound and huge flat screen in a room dedicated to total immersion.
The problem is its so uniquitous, not that it's dying.
*brilliant*
my Aries
Full conversation.....Any conversation with Camille is full.......
Try watching Camille Paglia at speed 2x.
Somewhere she mentioned lamb vindaloo. Anyone watching this can you post the time she mentions it?
44.20
finally a woman that can make me laugh.. what a discovery she was for me. Great person
Play speed 0.75. Love it.
In 51:15 she says "I'm like Huysmans..." and two more names. But the subtitles don't have the rest of the names. Can anybody help me to understand?
"I’m like Huysmans’s aesthete, des Esseintes. I am not a great fan of traveling. I just feel like it’s become too onerous. No, I’m a mind traveler." conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/camille-paglia/
@@MercatusCenter Thank you!!! English is not my first language
I wish she ran the NFL today!
58:33 BINGO!! Truth to POWER!
Why do they always have to cut these things short? Like how much would it really cost them to go another hour since they're already there
The nfl assessment is spot on
she should be studied in every high school!
How many of us would be proud to introduce to their friends: "Have you met my aunt Camille?" Let me know. I would.
I most definitely would, and I disagree with a lot of her positions (on porn, for example), but her intellect is unmatched by virtually any of the "intellegencia" today.
The bigger the view the smaller objects appear. It's sort of like being the difference regarding the front end or tail end of exploration/discovery.
In order to achieve a larger view there requires distancing. So as we expand in knowledge we lose the bigger than life perspective..like sitting in the front row of a movie theater.
I personally would much rather the front end because it gave room for a much larger stage and freedom to exercise the art department of the mind. I think this is what we are looking at when we see people from earlier eras displaying decadence and opulence. I can remember feeling this way as a child (a natural unfolding with no exposure because I was not raised with television) and it was due to me being on the front end of discovery.
Music would be affected the same way, only I think there existed alongside it a mechanism of provocation.
It's a human nature inclination to come from the other side of a thing, especially in order to be noticed.
This could be your polarity, or swing, that you witnessed from the Beatles to The Stones.
It was an answer.
And Of Course it would be rebellious to the up-beat. That's almost predictable! Hahaha!!
I really like that interviewer
He is one of the brightest economists on the planet. An iconoclast, himself.
Where is Camille???!!!!
Camille is bae
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I have immense respect for a lot of the things Camille has to say, even if I sometimes disagree with her conclusions (particularly much of what she says in Sexual Personae seems like wild conjecture to me, though I'm at awe when reading the book anyway, because her writing style is so fantastic), but when I see her deny climate change I can't help but be disappointed. Climate change isn't a matter of opinion or interpretation, or a matter of ideology, it is undeniable scientific fact. As is the human element in it. If she disagrees with me on social, economical or political issues, so be it, I respect her opinions either way, but this is not such an issue. This is her outing herself as somebody talking on an issue she doesn't know enough about, acting like she knows enough about it. I've noticed she acts similarly when talking about East Asian arts and cultures - very simplistic, limited views, but acting like she is an expert. (In that regard, I'd consider myself an expert - having a degree in Japan Studies)
you obviously are speaking on an issue you know nothing about because catastrophic Global warming is a hoax. some scientist believe that we are actually heading into a mini ice Age.
And the illuminati are brainwashing the American public using pop stars as puppets, vaccines cause autism, jet fuel can't melt metal beams.
glenzo215 "catastrophic Global warming" is not a hoax it is a straw man. You seem to know nothing about the issue and have only listened to conspiracy theorist who have made up a ridiculous political straw man of anthropogenic climate change that is analogous to creationist straw man of evolution.
She is neither a feminist or a liberal. She's not really even a libertarian. Paglia is one among many outliers who sat back and realized she could get more attention attacking the group she claims to be a part of and pandering to the right in order to continue staying in the spotlight.
She repeatedly talks about how she was one of the "founders" of modern feminism, but was drummed out of the movement for her ideas. I would bet it was due to her obnoxious personality and dishonesty. No other significant feminist is aware she was a part of the movement, or her.
I found Sexual Personae to be a jarring, poorly written and poorly researched piece of garbage, saved by three or four excellent essays. (Golden Bough, DeSade, etc) Paglia is notorious for making sweeping generalizations and then attacking anyone who raises eyebrows at her shoddy scholarship.
I resent her nasty attacks on people she considers to be unattractive, (always women, Dunham in this case). I don't care for Dunham's work (her show) but I cannot stand the attacks against her appearance. Much like a 15-year-old male, Paglia has no monitoring system on her mouth, her attitude and her narcissism.
No surprise that she denies global warming. It further endears her to the right. It's all about her, and fuck everything else.
Frankly, anyone who decides to take their view on climate change from a throwaway line uttered by someone who is well known as a contrarian&social critic... well, maybe the problem with those people will be solved when they take their advice on medicine from experts such as pop singers ;).
In my view, she's just expressing her personal opinion here.
As for the matter: "undeniable scientific fact": could you demonstrate that? Not asking you to do it, only asking whether you could... because that kinda lines are so often uttered by people who merely have taken it on faith from their ideological media/politicians/heroes/whatever. One may indeed find that what people believe on a topic is better predicted by their political views than by their views on science. Conservatives and progressives alike.
To be clear, I don't dispute ACC as "almost certainly true", though I would dispute whether typical progressive policies are the right solution to it. But my specific objection is how "scientific fact" has been diluted as an argument, as people who don't know shit about the science throw it around, commonly completely misrepresenting the actual science to suit their political narrative.
She is a rockstar
Camille Paglia: "I'm just a mad nun."
Aw, wanted more. Ordered Sexual Personae after binging 4-5 Paglia videos.