Link to spreadsheet if youre not already coming from it bit.ly/MSFCounters 4- TW/Kes/Nova/Pho vs DH/QS(-SW) 0:00 Just wanted to see how Pho would do removing all the debuffs after those quicker than her would take their turn. Pretty gud I guess. QS still got to ult but ehhhh 6= Apoc/ET/AA/BTS vs IW 1:20 Filler for da sheet 1= Peg vs UX/Pho/Cyc(-Gam,Fanto) 2:21 Without Gambit, Peg dont give 2 shits about UX. We knew this already 3= MoE/Apoc(-Ultron) vs XtX/OML(-Cyc) 3:58 Still a medium size OML so this went as normal as it has since he came out 5++ SuS/Doom/AA/BTS/Minn vs S6/Mys(-Liz) 5:14 Doom gotta be big enough to stay above 50% until BTS' turn so he can remove revives. After that, its typical SuS things. Minn probably wasnt the best in terms of turn vp but hey, I got a Minnerva avatar, and who knows whens the last time I got to use her fr fr this Mysterio also did not help 6- TW/Nova/OR/Sam vs IW/QS(-MD) 6:54 Random 3. I have other vids of better turn VP - im sure, I dont actually look most times. Biggest thing to get out of this is to put SW adj to SW so he can spread speedup, and youre able to stun QS before Gamora and Neb turn. Rest is history 2- NW/Liz(-Dag) vs SpS 9:12 Another example of this garbo fight going too long. Liz on def now so dont gotta worry about going through this shit again 1- NW vs M4M/BTS(-DtP) 10:59 If your FS and DP are big enough to bleed OML, NW is the way. If there is a pretaunt, you Gwen spec instead and have to rely on FS ult (and passive) to kill OML otherwise good luck cause you just unleashed the beast 2- WD vs IW/QS(-MD) 12:38 This shit did as good as Peg ehhh this Wak rework better be amazing so I could use these guys more cause value was few and far between lol 3- MoE VS XtX/Dorm(-Gam) 14:15 This shit is easy dude. Easier than facing Gam. Yall be losing to any variation of this team tho so maybe yall just cant be helped. Mobile over here praying for a Doom trigger and got Dorm on offense just for this fight lmao hes so funny but also so sad 4= Cabal/Apoc/Emma vs OoT/Rog/Gam(-CGR,SB) 15:50 You would think that Apoc ult is the best opener here, but id wager youd be wrong. No immunity on Namor so Rogue would just render him useless. Now now this was a smaller BK sure, but I will have to bring up the fact that on larger ones yes, maybe Apoc ult and iso attack may not have even killed him I dunno hehe safest move is to spec and thug it out 6- SuS/Liz/Doom/VK/Loki vs SpS 17:25 Ive just been trying random shit against these annoying spiderverse lately. Been kinda fun lol and this room? hellaaaaa buffs which makes it much more enjoyable so do what ya like but still win 2+++ Cabal/Zemo/Emma vs HM/SuS(-Venom) 18:24 I originally tried my known counter but with BTS instead of Vul because I had the latter on def - did not work even without revives. now I know not to do that again. Just ended up having to use Zemo which aint as great as Vul with Cabal, but hes next best (since also Liz on def) 5+ SD vs S6/Vul(-Liz) 19:48 Vul does add some rng. I only noticed later after doing multiple fights because I wasnt really thinking about his opening slow like at all since the chance is soooo low, but if BC gets slowed, things can get wonky. BC does NOT always remove revives even WITH skirm so fuck off game. Thats something you gotta work around esp if GGC isnt removed and bleeds on turn then gets to ult oh brotha, this guy stinks! Always rewind GGC then do ya thang, chicken wang 6+ SuS/TW/VK/OR vs SpS 21:04 These mfs do get some hits in, but its all gud, man. Its just a random hybrid with SuS so its bound to win 2++++ Cabal/Zemo/RG vs SD/Noir(-DrS) 22:13 Now I dont have Liz or Vul to get an early crit so got the pretaunt for a quick HL. Zemo passive buff clear rng otherwise I wouldve went over to Robbie. Unfortunately even with speedup, Zemo just not fast enough against 132 speed so BC did stun the worst target being Namor. Its all a blooody mess of rng, but im pretty sure I still won this trial haha probably wouldnt do this again given what I have on def 3= MoE/Apoc(Ultron) vs XtX/Rog/OML(-Cyc,SS) 23:33 As you can see, I had to cancel my first attack. This was because a 5/6 OML did not get permakilled by my max Apoc - terrible that this acc does not have him g19. Notice the only other damage on OML was Kang passive. Apoc did not crit this time nor did Kang so what was the difference in damage I have no idea. The slow on MS prevented the second stun on NC that would control him for the rest of the fight. I have since moved Tit to striker for attacks on Rogue/Forge. All in all, a large OML will make this very messy 5++ SD vs S6/Vul(-Liz) 25:51 Ignoring the fact that BC cant always remove revives, the rng in this fight is DAMAGE. Idk if ive mentioned the shittiness that is the Doc passive, but do too much but not enough will fuck you up immensely. Robbie striker for more bleed damage is something to keep in mind. If BC is able to chain back to GGC and remove his charges, only then will you be able to put on vuln to take advantage of 6- TW/Kes/RH/VK vs IW/QS(-MD) 26:53 Heres a tremendously better turn vp +3 alongisde TW for this defense. I got Doom/AA later and took longer iirc so id opt for this 1= TW/ET/OR vs OoT/Vahl(-BK) 27:55 Without BK, basically the same team used. Some control here but mostly overpower
2= NW/SuS(-Dag) vs SD/OML/Noir(-Pho,DrS) 28:50 Got the medium sized OML and big SuS. FS passive kills him. It might actually work on higher if you have a 7r SuS but only if SuS' first attack takes him below 50 then hits him again to rewind him. Seems like you can Gwen basic and then FS ult adj to him to seal his fate. Wouldnt do it myself even if I had a 7r SuS but ya never know 3+ Peg vs IW 30:02 Even my smol Peg can do this match hooray yours can, too just believe in yourself 4= Cabal/Apoc/Emma vs SpS/BK(-Noir) 32:06 Guess who got stunned? Of course, its ya boi, Namor. Apoc spec ALWAYS FOR SAFETY IS NUMBAH ONE PRIORITITTI OKI. Cabal needs some levels since BK is so punishing but yeah thug it out like usual 5+ SD vs S6/Mys(-Liz) 33:46 I play this shitty fight 3x prior to this then of course on MY acc, BC doesnt remove GGC revive even WITH skirm, and guess what I already talked about this shit earlier, but GGC bled and got to ult so fuck you fucking game. Shit still be rng as fuck so at your discretion. Also SD wont work against Liz for obvious reasons, dont make me bop you on the head and have to explain it to your dumbass 6+ MoE/Doom(-Ultron) vs XtX/Rog/Dorm(-Cyc,SS) 35:38 Tit adj to Doom. I forgot about Kang (shown later), but yeah do that, too. Doom will get to ult after only Gambit goes. Target smart which I know is very hard for a very lot of you but at least try to get some permakills otherwise go safe and make sure to get some more tm via iso attack so you can get more turns to make up for your lack of skill 2+ Cabal/Zemo/RH vs M4M/Dorm(DtP) 37:07 Opted for RH to remove revive instead of Emma. Enemy positioning in my favor with PP behind despite OML being corner. Others were slowed anyway so everyone was controlled. 4= NW vs OoT/QS(-BK) 38:11 Just do a lotta dmg, thats it 5+ SD vs S6/Mys(-Liz) 39:23 Very surprising I havent seen one Liz def huh now that I write this, I might be seeing it every day next week so booo. Been using full SD as a total habit but may pivot to using someone arguably more useful and survivable with the likes of Nova who can get hit by GGC, lose charge, and gain tm to stun another target 6- SuS/TW/Nova/BTS vs SpS/BK(-Noir) 40:54 I actually forgot I played this and upon watching it, I really dig this counter. SuS/BTS/2099 to ensure BK is controlled so Nova can stun him. Still need to read SpS kits to see who has unavoidable and control them so they dont go thru my charges. That being said, this shit took way too long but if thats how its gotta be, thats how its gon be (focus that pos Pbp earlier) 4- SuS/Apoc/RH/Nova/BTS vs SpS/BK(-Noir) 43:38 On the other hand here, we got "overkill". iirc this guy had a shit def so I went ahead and did this dumb shit lol poor SuS was getting tunneled made me a lil scared, but at least I had Apoc to make sure I was gonna win no matter what 6= NW vs SD/Nova(-DrS) 45:06 When will NW lose its value? Once ppl realize SD still gonna get shit on by these mystics. Damn that was brutal 5++ SD vs S6/Vul(-Liz) 46:10 This was it! The one where BC got slowed. Gotta put her in corner eh now if both Pho and BC got slowed, that wouldve meant another retaliation which I guess doesnt mean much now that I think about it. I wouldnt want Robbie going next anyway tho. Man that Doc was so close to going before Robbie then Robbie almost dying woof woof all around 6++ MoE/Doom(-Ultron) vs XtX/Rog/Dorm(-Cyc,SS) 47:25 Heres an example of me not being able to finesse damage and getting the good side of rng which I imagine is how you guys feel when you play, scared and relieved when it goes your way. NC not cleansing stun was the holiest shit that couldve happened but it did - cause im awesome 1- ET/OR/BTS/Hela vs OoT/Dorm(-BK) 49:24 This is what I believe is a better example of how to do this match versus what I did last week mainly cause I used OR ult on Carter so she doesnt ult to cleanse and heal. This did take a while tho 2+ Cabal/Zemo/Emma vs M4M/Noir(-DtP) 51:07 Since OML is the first target to go, you should target the other side with Zemo. No point slowing someone whos gonna die. If they survive Namor ult to revive, at least Leader gets to go before they do. Even Cable should work in a pinch, but that means you have to slow OML if Zemo doesnt crit. Certainly dont need Echo here with Cabal against Noir 6- TW/Kes/Doom/AA vs IW/QS(-MD) 52:09 Heres that Doom comp I talked about earlier. even with the larger pd, its the revives that make this longer. Doom also isnt as helpful turn wise tbh Kes/RH/VK is the optimal +3 so far 1- WD vs IW/QS(-MD) 53:27 This shit was niiiice and clean. I actually will prefer this over Peg just cause I heard ppl near losing that fight lol 2- NW/Apoc(-Dag) vs M4M/Zuggs(-DtP) 55:09 OML is gonna go so dont bother hitting him besides Gwen spec before Apoc can ult and kill him. Having to use both NW and Apoc is overkill. Pretty much Apoc/Emma+3 will beat OML so long as you can permakill with Apoc then its a done deal np at all 4= SuS/TW/ET vs SpS 56:03 Eternals time! Id say this was the best vp out of all the other random hybrids I think 5++ SD vs S6/Vul(-Liz) 57:12 Okay okay, last one 6+++ Cabal/Zemo/Emma vs SuS/BK/Dorm/Cap/Nova 58:41 Zemo passive actually removed BK taunt lol very lucky sure my positioning couldve been better so I couldve got more buffs. Also said they need more levels. Bad enemy positoning with SuS and BK adj at least against Cabal esp in this room. I slaughtered this guy in the final trial. Shit was fun as hell one shotting Only a chill 11k characters this time, where does the time go
Link to spreadsheet if youre not already coming from it
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4- TW/Kes/Nova/Pho vs DH/QS(-SW) 0:00
Just wanted to see how Pho would do removing all the debuffs after those quicker than her would take their turn. Pretty gud I guess. QS still got to ult but ehhhh
6= Apoc/ET/AA/BTS vs IW 1:20
Filler for da sheet
1= Peg vs UX/Pho/Cyc(-Gam,Fanto) 2:21
Without Gambit, Peg dont give 2 shits about UX. We knew this already
3= MoE/Apoc(-Ultron) vs XtX/OML(-Cyc) 3:58
Still a medium size OML so this went as normal as it has since he came out
5++ SuS/Doom/AA/BTS/Minn vs S6/Mys(-Liz) 5:14
Doom gotta be big enough to stay above 50% until BTS' turn so he can remove revives. After that, its typical SuS things. Minn probably wasnt the best in terms of turn vp but hey, I got a Minnerva avatar, and who knows whens the last time I got to use her fr fr this Mysterio also did not help
6- TW/Nova/OR/Sam vs IW/QS(-MD) 6:54
Random 3. I have other vids of better turn VP - im sure, I dont actually look most times. Biggest thing to get out of this is to put SW adj to SW so he can spread speedup, and youre able to stun QS before Gamora and Neb turn. Rest is history
2- NW/Liz(-Dag) vs SpS 9:12
Another example of this garbo fight going too long. Liz on def now so dont gotta worry about going through this shit again
1- NW vs M4M/BTS(-DtP) 10:59
If your FS and DP are big enough to bleed OML, NW is the way. If there is a pretaunt, you Gwen spec instead and have to rely on FS ult (and passive) to kill OML otherwise good luck cause you just unleashed the beast
2- WD vs IW/QS(-MD) 12:38
This shit did as good as Peg ehhh this Wak rework better be amazing so I could use these guys more cause value was few and far between lol
3- MoE VS XtX/Dorm(-Gam) 14:15
This shit is easy dude. Easier than facing Gam. Yall be losing to any variation of this team tho so maybe yall just cant be helped. Mobile over here praying for a Doom trigger and got Dorm on offense just for this fight lmao hes so funny but also so sad
4= Cabal/Apoc/Emma vs OoT/Rog/Gam(-CGR,SB) 15:50
You would think that Apoc ult is the best opener here, but id wager youd be wrong. No immunity on Namor so Rogue would just render him useless. Now now this was a smaller BK sure, but I will have to bring up the fact that on larger ones yes, maybe Apoc ult and iso attack may not have even killed him I dunno hehe safest move is to spec and thug it out
6- SuS/Liz/Doom/VK/Loki vs SpS 17:25
Ive just been trying random shit against these annoying spiderverse lately. Been kinda fun lol and this room? hellaaaaa buffs which makes it much more enjoyable so do what ya like but still win
2+++ Cabal/Zemo/Emma vs HM/SuS(-Venom) 18:24
I originally tried my known counter but with BTS instead of Vul because I had the latter on def - did not work even without revives. now I know not to do that again. Just ended up having to use Zemo which aint as great as Vul with Cabal, but hes next best (since also Liz on def)
5+ SD vs S6/Vul(-Liz) 19:48
Vul does add some rng. I only noticed later after doing multiple fights because I wasnt really thinking about his opening slow like at all since the chance is soooo low, but if BC gets slowed, things can get wonky. BC does NOT always remove revives even WITH skirm so fuck off game. Thats something you gotta work around esp if GGC isnt removed and bleeds on turn then gets to ult oh brotha, this guy stinks! Always rewind GGC then do ya thang, chicken wang
6+ SuS/TW/VK/OR vs SpS 21:04
These mfs do get some hits in, but its all gud, man. Its just a random hybrid with SuS so its bound to win
2++++ Cabal/Zemo/RG vs SD/Noir(-DrS) 22:13
Now I dont have Liz or Vul to get an early crit so got the pretaunt for a quick HL. Zemo passive buff clear rng otherwise I wouldve went over to Robbie. Unfortunately even with speedup, Zemo just not fast enough against 132 speed so BC did stun the worst target being Namor. Its all a blooody mess of rng, but im pretty sure I still won this trial haha probably wouldnt do this again given what I have on def
3= MoE/Apoc(Ultron) vs XtX/Rog/OML(-Cyc,SS) 23:33
As you can see, I had to cancel my first attack. This was because a 5/6 OML did not get permakilled by my max Apoc - terrible that this acc does not have him g19. Notice the only other damage on OML was Kang passive. Apoc did not crit this time nor did Kang so what was the difference in damage I have no idea. The slow on MS prevented the second stun on NC that would control him for the rest of the fight. I have since moved Tit to striker for attacks on Rogue/Forge. All in all, a large OML will make this very messy
5++ SD vs S6/Vul(-Liz) 25:51
Ignoring the fact that BC cant always remove revives, the rng in this fight is DAMAGE. Idk if ive mentioned the shittiness that is the Doc passive, but do too much but not enough will fuck you up immensely. Robbie striker for more bleed damage is something to keep in mind. If BC is able to chain back to GGC and remove his charges, only then will you be able to put on vuln to take advantage of
6- TW/Kes/RH/VK vs IW/QS(-MD) 26:53
Heres a tremendously better turn vp +3 alongisde TW for this defense. I got Doom/AA later and took longer iirc so id opt for this
1= TW/ET/OR vs OoT/Vahl(-BK) 27:55
Without BK, basically the same team used. Some control here but mostly overpower
2= NW/SuS(-Dag) vs SD/OML/Noir(-Pho,DrS) 28:50
Got the medium sized OML and big SuS. FS passive kills him. It might actually work on higher if you have a 7r SuS but only if SuS' first attack takes him below 50 then hits him again to rewind him. Seems like you can Gwen basic and then FS ult adj to him to seal his fate. Wouldnt do it myself even if I had a 7r SuS but ya never know
3+ Peg vs IW 30:02
Even my smol Peg can do this match hooray yours can, too just believe in yourself
4= Cabal/Apoc/Emma vs SpS/BK(-Noir) 32:06
Guess who got stunned? Of course, its ya boi, Namor. Apoc spec ALWAYS FOR SAFETY IS NUMBAH ONE PRIORITITTI OKI. Cabal needs some levels since BK is so punishing but yeah thug it out like usual
5+ SD vs S6/Mys(-Liz) 33:46
I play this shitty fight 3x prior to this then of course on MY acc, BC doesnt remove GGC revive even WITH skirm, and guess what I already talked about this shit earlier, but GGC bled and got to ult so fuck you fucking game. Shit still be rng as fuck so at your discretion. Also SD wont work against Liz for obvious reasons, dont make me bop you on the head and have to explain it to your dumbass
6+ MoE/Doom(-Ultron) vs XtX/Rog/Dorm(-Cyc,SS) 35:38
Tit adj to Doom. I forgot about Kang (shown later), but yeah do that, too. Doom will get to ult after only Gambit goes. Target smart which I know is very hard for a very lot of you but at least try to get some permakills otherwise go safe and make sure to get some more tm via iso attack so you can get more turns to make up for your lack of skill
2+ Cabal/Zemo/RH vs M4M/Dorm(DtP) 37:07
Opted for RH to remove revive instead of Emma. Enemy positioning in my favor with PP behind despite OML being corner. Others were slowed anyway so everyone was controlled.
4= NW vs OoT/QS(-BK) 38:11
Just do a lotta dmg, thats it
5+ SD vs S6/Mys(-Liz) 39:23
Very surprising I havent seen one Liz def huh now that I write this, I might be seeing it every day next week so booo. Been using full SD as a total habit but may pivot to using someone arguably more useful and survivable with the likes of Nova who can get hit by GGC, lose charge, and gain tm to stun another target
6- SuS/TW/Nova/BTS vs SpS/BK(-Noir) 40:54
I actually forgot I played this and upon watching it, I really dig this counter. SuS/BTS/2099 to ensure BK is controlled so Nova can stun him. Still need to read SpS kits to see who has unavoidable and control them so they dont go thru my charges. That being said, this shit took way too long but if thats how its gotta be, thats how its gon be (focus that pos Pbp earlier)
4- SuS/Apoc/RH/Nova/BTS vs SpS/BK(-Noir) 43:38
On the other hand here, we got "overkill". iirc this guy had a shit def so I went ahead and did this dumb shit lol poor SuS was getting tunneled made me a lil scared, but at least I had Apoc to make sure I was gonna win no matter what
6= NW vs SD/Nova(-DrS) 45:06
When will NW lose its value? Once ppl realize SD still gonna get shit on by these mystics. Damn that was brutal
5++ SD vs S6/Vul(-Liz) 46:10
This was it! The one where BC got slowed. Gotta put her in corner eh now if both Pho and BC got slowed, that wouldve meant another retaliation which I guess doesnt mean much now that I think about it. I wouldnt want Robbie going next anyway tho. Man that Doc was so close to going before Robbie then Robbie almost dying woof woof all around
6++ MoE/Doom(-Ultron) vs XtX/Rog/Dorm(-Cyc,SS) 47:25
Heres an example of me not being able to finesse damage and getting the good side of rng which I imagine is how you guys feel when you play, scared and relieved when it goes your way. NC not cleansing stun was the holiest shit that couldve happened but it did - cause im awesome
1- ET/OR/BTS/Hela vs OoT/Dorm(-BK) 49:24
This is what I believe is a better example of how to do this match versus what I did last week mainly cause I used OR ult on Carter so she doesnt ult to cleanse and heal. This did take a while tho
2+ Cabal/Zemo/Emma vs M4M/Noir(-DtP) 51:07
Since OML is the first target to go, you should target the other side with Zemo. No point slowing someone whos gonna die. If they survive Namor ult to revive, at least Leader gets to go before they do. Even Cable should work in a pinch, but that means you have to slow OML if Zemo doesnt crit. Certainly dont need Echo here with Cabal against Noir
6- TW/Kes/Doom/AA vs IW/QS(-MD) 52:09
Heres that Doom comp I talked about earlier. even with the larger pd, its the revives that make this longer. Doom also isnt as helpful turn wise tbh Kes/RH/VK is the optimal +3 so far
1- WD vs IW/QS(-MD) 53:27
This shit was niiiice and clean. I actually will prefer this over Peg just cause I heard ppl near losing that fight lol
2- NW/Apoc(-Dag) vs M4M/Zuggs(-DtP) 55:09
OML is gonna go so dont bother hitting him besides Gwen spec before Apoc can ult and kill him. Having to use both NW and Apoc is overkill. Pretty much Apoc/Emma+3 will beat OML so long as you can permakill with Apoc then its a done deal np at all
4= SuS/TW/ET vs SpS 56:03
Eternals time! Id say this was the best vp out of all the other random hybrids I think
5++ SD vs S6/Vul(-Liz) 57:12
Okay okay, last one
6+++ Cabal/Zemo/Emma vs SuS/BK/Dorm/Cap/Nova 58:41
Zemo passive actually removed BK taunt lol very lucky sure my positioning couldve been better so I couldve got more buffs. Also said they need more levels. Bad enemy positoning with SuS and BK adj at least against Cabal esp in this room. I slaughtered this guy in the final trial. Shit was fun as hell one shotting
Only a chill 11k characters this time, where does the time go
cabal zemo RH vs M4M dorm = 200k punch up worked great
ET TW2 OR vs OoT -BK +Vahl = 400k punch up worked great
At 19:08, how are you able to ability block Void Knight? My Zemo is bigger and he fails that every time. And i'm using skirmisher on him. Thanks.
rng. They spawn with 2 deflects, and Zemo passive removed both . Next is focus check
Why is NOVA able to Ult on 41:50 ?
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@@SeggsyJexy oh that was room 6? Thought it was room 4