Ducati Multistrada V4 S: not THAT impressive?
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This 2021 Ducati Multistrada V4 is a beast but does it have what it takes to challenge BMW R 1250 GS or a KTM 1290 Super Adventure? And most importantly, is it better than its previous generation - the Multistrada 1260? Let's find out during my time with the newest V4S with some additional options over what a regular V4 has.
Check my Honest Review of BMW R 1250 GS here: • Testing BMW R 1250 GS ...
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The 2021 Ducati Multistrada V4S shown in the video belongs to Ducati Liberty Motors dealership in Piaseczno (Warsaw), Poland and there you can test ride it: libertymotors.pl/
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I have both bikes at home, one 2021 R1250GS and a 2021 ducati multistrada V4S. And in my opinion both of them are two hell of a bike, but in the end the multistrada is a better bike for those who ride a bike seeking pleasure.
On a curvy road you just need to keep the engine above 5000RPM and there is no way a GS keep up. It is also extremely agile, much more than the GS.
Hey I am after buying either r1250gs or v4s. Well I haven’t made a test drive yet. Can you tell me about the suspension of V4s? He mentioned it is not plush as the gs. How do you feet it?
Hi, in my opinion the GS has a much softer suspension, less sportier and a lot confortable. The MTS V4S it’s very confortable as well, but a lot more sportier, and much more stable when you’re in a middle of a corner and the road it is not regular.
But the best thing for you is to test drive both of them and see which one you like the most
@@lordscorpi0n Thank you! Sure, I'm gonna go for a test drive soon.
100%. One has to accept that stock, every Ducati likes to run above 4000rpm. That's just a characteristic. But hey, next time I find myself in the wrong gear, I guess I'll just blame the bike!
I just got my Multistrada V4s ! the best bike ever I ridden...... and i ridden a lot!
I'm glad you're enjoying it. Some guys that I've spoken to, say that the GS is just too boring for them as it's "always the same" and that's the reason that they wanted to try Multistrada. This comes up on its own as riders seem to explain themselves why they chose anything else than a GS. Now thanks for NOT doing that, however, it would be interesting to hear.
JAGASS........................1290 ADV SAS THE KING OF ADV !!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!
@@Noregret348 hahahaha it was offered for me with discount i said no thanks 👍🏼
V4...the best maxitrail
@@VToldsMotoShow I traded my 1250gs for a multi v2s, the GS was a bit soulless, the v2s I can ride hard and be better entertained
Smaller capacity, less torque, no surprise. But it spins up much faster than the twins, never feels stressed and handles better too.
That handling is my main concern here. Now what they've also told me at the dealership is that the engine sounds fantactic with an aftermarket exhaust. I'd love to check that out as they seemed pretty excited about it out there. That could in fact be a big selling point for the bike.
The rubbery ignition switch has changed for a totally different design for 2022 models. I love the blindspot monitoring and the active cruise is amazing. I prefer mine to my previous four GS's (inc current model), and a 2021 XR I recently rode. I also prefer it to the 1200 and 1260 Multi's which I've ridden back-to-back versus my V4. But it takes a long ride (not a demo) to begin to truly appreciate the V4's brilliance. It's a bike you have to live with - I took one for a two-day 600 ride. I thought it was good after the first day, but amazing after the second. Unfortunately, you have to live with it and that costs a lot of money to try that!
Thanks for your comment, I'm glad to read that you're happy with your V4. I've heard about the change in the ignition button but haven't come across any official Ducati information on this. I'd say that it's weird that they don't really show off with the newer design of it. At the moment I may only guess that it's better.
@@VToldsMotoShow On face value I'd think they've changed it to improve reliability? But I know three guys personally with 21's and they've had no ignition problems, so I guess its just a thing!
Weird.. My 2021 v4s doesn't have that rubbery switch. Mine is a rotary switch.
I was wondering, why do you release throttle when you shifting up and have a quick shifter? Or I misunderstood something?
One doesn't need to use a quickshifter every time. You can change gears more smoothly yourself. I do carry a belief that it's also not as hard on the components. I don't have data to confirm that but again - having a quickshifter doesn't mean we need to use it. Just like having ABS doesn't mean we have to brake as hard as possible every time. But yes, you may just as well use the quickshifter, so no, you didn't misunderstand anything.
@@VToldsMotoShow I feel like "because I'm used to shifting manually" would have been a more appropriate response. There is no particular reason why it would cause any undue harm on components. If anything, it causes less harm as the auto-blipper is designed to damn near perfectly rev match every time. Upshifting doesn't require the clutch at all, and can be done by just shutting the throttle briefly while shifting, which is essentially what the quickshifter does. Ducatis use a gear position sensor that not only reads what gear you're in, but the position of the gears relative to the power stroke of the motor, and times the quickshift during the unloaded stroke for the most ideal shifting point. Basically, if you got it, there's no reason not to use it. It really changes riding and I think choosing not to use it really robs you of a premium riding experience, as it allows you to be in the perfect gear at all times, effortlessly bouncing between gears significantly more than you usually would.
Your analysis are so good, so well in detail investigated and interpreted. And on top of that with a very sympathetic kind of humour, which is very entertaining! Please keep that way!.....My decision for a GS seems now being fixed, the real one, not the adventure elephant :-)
Thanks a lot for sharing your view and I'm glad that you like the review. "Adventure elephant" sounds funny indeed :)
I like your candor. Well done.
Thanks!
Like always a very comprehensive review...you seem to have a.pretty good idea about both bikes so you are the man to ask...tell me would you buy the new bmw s1000xr or the new multistrada sport?
great review, thank you very much!, I wonder if you had the chance to drive the yamaha tracer9, it will be nice to see where it sits in this touring bucket of bikes, and what do you think of it
Thanks and I'm glad you like it. I haven't ridden a Tracer yet but perhaps I will - before winter comes. I've heard only good things about the Tracer though. Still, Niken (on 3 wheels) is looking really exciting too.
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Cześć! Dziękuję i miło, że tak sądzisz :)
Can you remove the baffles on the exhaust? Seems wasteful to buy the Akrapovic exhaust snd then replace it.
This definitely sounded like a stock exhaust on any other bike. I'm not aware of being able to remove the baffles, if there are any in fact. It's technical enough, that I would suggest asking some Ducati dealership as they should be able to tell you right away. I'd be curious to learn about it too by the way.
Multi is a secret lover and GS a wife to return to
You Sir, might've just won a comment of the week award!
Thinking about offering us an opinion of the differences between the standard v4s and the pikes peak? Is it marketing mostly and vanity or is it worth the extra $$ in terms of handling and sporty feel on the race mode ? Does it have the extra thrill that is slightly missing in the all too linear and gradual feel of the v4s ?
The Pikes Peak might be worth trying head-to-head with a 'regular' V4S but I'm not sure if there's so many differences to hunt the topic. On the other hand, sometimes small changes may have a large impact - I realized that after I tried KTM 1290 Super Adventure in the S version after previously riding an R, and then after getting on Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally after previously riding a GT. Very, very different to the point of shocking me. Perhaps it would be the same here with Ducati. If I come across a Pikes Peak version, I'll hop on it to give a reliable perspective. Not sure when that might happen though. Thanks for the hint!
@@VToldsMotoShow hopefully you will come across the PP it would be awesome to see what your impressions will be because you have a sober view and you raise and address all critical points accurately and fairly ! Well done 👍
My 2022 exhibits NO HEAT issues on either side and I find the build quality excellent.
Good one ;)
Oh, and Ducati sells a keyless fuel cap which I loved on my 2013.
Nice video and I chose the Ducati Multistrada V4S over the BMW, hats off to both companies but me personally liked the Ducati much more & my ignition came with a dial instead of a button & any performance or sport motorcycle will always use a chain for the drive system not a shaft & that's fine with me, everyone ride safe
Thanks a lot for your feedback and insights. The point is for one to enjoy what they ride. As for the chain, Ducati themselves prove that they don't really need a chain always. XDiavel with the same engine as the previous Multistrada - the 1260 - has a belt. Similar power, yet a different solution.
What a review Man !! You've been meticulously precise on every single aspect of it ..... but once again i agreed with on a GS she is still the Queen !! Specially when it comes to torque cause most of twisties roads are narrow so you need a lot work to do down low RPM !! And don't matter what gear you're in with the Bimerr... instead you'll need a proper gear with that typology of motor , on the other end they are really good on open wide curves where you can do what fucken you want !! ( which the GS does of course even better ) 😂🤣
I rode both the MTS V4S and the 1250GS. I couldn't choose between them. The only reason I went with the Ducati over the BMW is I found a Ducati fully-equipped with luggage with just 1500 miles on it for nearly $8000 less than the BMW. Both are GREAT bikes for sure. The BMW quick shifter is pretty bad compared to the Ducati, but that wouldn't have been enough of a reason for me to not buy the BMW. I have nearly 2000 miles on my Ducati now, and still LOVE it. Pick whichever you want. You won't be unhappy with either bike.
Wow, this was a really, really good deal. Seems like an almost impossible situation. Likely it was worth to get the Ducati just to sell if for more or ride it for a year, two or three and sell with no loss. I also think that coming with the right expectations, both of the mentioned bikes can work out great for many riders.
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I have a multi 1260 pikes peak with a full termi. Do you think it’s worth trading up, have to say I think the v twin is a real sweet spot.
Damn no, I definitely wouldn't trade it in for the V4 myself. I really, really cannot see any significant advantages of the newer one except for slightly more power (yeah, it's going to be a tiny big quicker when measured), better display with the menu and more ground clearance. On the other hand it's getting very hot and it doesn't sound that good. If I were you, I would test ride the V4 as you may feel differently about it.
You’re right can confirm everything yes
One of the best arguments to buy a V4 is the sound, and this one even with an exhaust sounds quite lame compared to a Tuono for example. The maintenance interval is awesome on this bike, but I'm sure Ducati will make up for that with the cost of maintenance (the valve job on this bike will be cost an arm and a leg, and thats if none of the electronic gismos break down).
It actually made me laugh the way you described how Ducati might compensate for their attractive interval - really nicely said. As for the sound, the Akrapovic in this V4S was really pathetic. This brand is usually not much more charismatic than stock exhausts - that's why they install them in the first place and get legalised, but I agree that it's lame overall and kind of misses the whole point.
Italian piece of art versus German mature engineering. Who will win? ;)
Japan!!! 🎌😁💪
@@audiolover Royal Enfield with the upcoming 1300 Himalayan! ? :-) 😁😉😂
I wouldn't exactly put it this way. I'd still take Multistrada's engine and put it into GS's chassis while keeping Multistrada's look I think. Best combo. Actually, I'd much prefer the 1260's engine due to its amazing V2 sound.
@@audiolover which bike, there is no Japan leading in this class.
Most of your videos are about BMWs, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you've found a design and performance philosophy to your liking. But you lost me from nearly the beginning. I've been debating between the two and have recently logged miles on both, as well as a friend's Pikes Peak (who's engine behaves like just a bigger version of the engine in my Supersport S -which it is). The V4s isn't just an update, it is an entirely different bike - more nimble, and the engine is much more fun. Every new bike is sold broken and has to be fixed with ECU tuning, exhaust, and freer flowing air filter, so this isn't really a valid complaint - thanks, Bruxelles.
Your observation about brake dive is true, but for me it's a negative - some degree of diving is key riding feedback and cornering set up. And you just don't like Ducati clutches - I get it. End of the day, it boils down to whether you are looking for a tourer which leans toward a rowdy sport bike, or one that leans to Goldwing level comfort. Horses for courses.
On the keyless tank cap you have me, as well as on the swingarm, and to this I would add that I miss the floating mud guard.
They're both great machines or I wouldn't be struggling with the decision. To my eye the 1250gs really isn't that different from the 1200gs - it's a mature platform. But to say that the V4s is a big leap forward in most respects is bonkers.
Hey, this is not "us vs them". That won't help. I understand that some of us seek confirmation that we're about to make a right choice and some are looking for a confirmation that they've made the right choice. Not helpful here - if you're leaning towards the certain bike/brand/version, just go for it as otherwise there will always be regrets. I've got that too. I'm not sure if a diving front end is necessarily that great of a feedback that we need to keep steering correctly. It's like willing a Ferrari to lean left and right in corners to know that they're turning. I beg to differ here. Also, there are many totally different bikes in the class that target certain preferences. Take a look at the Harley, KTM, even Honda Africa Twin - all of them have got their unique style (damn that Harley!). I wonder what made you lost here.
also, dont forget the enduro versions of the 1200 and 1260 had doube sided swingarm
Yes yes, you're right.
You need to test the new ktm 1290 sas and compare it to the gs and v4
I'd love that too. I have a good feeling about KTM but there's no real dealer network in the country where I live.
@@VToldsMotoShow pity. It’s a great bike.
How can you say that you must not know how to ride. I have one and beats all of the competitive bike on and off road only draw back is lower gas milage.
Not at all I ride in 98 degrees Fahrenheit and no heat issues so not sure what u r talking about
Great video. It probably doesn't handle as good on the turns as the older ones because they put the bigger front tire on it. Plus mags are better than spokes for speedy bends. The spokes ate definitely better for the off road capabilities.
I wouldn't buy the new v4. I'd rather have a 2015 or newer. I hate the traditional double sided swing arm. I refuse!
Im buying a bike soon. Everyone is telling me to stay away from 2013 and older. The GS holds its value but it seems like people are having a hard time selling the used multistrada. Maybe its that $2000 service every 15k miles. 🤔
I'm willing but the initial sale price has to be really really good.
Is a 2010 in good shape with 20k miles worth 6k?
I think I would also prefer the previous Multi, so 1260 or the last 1200 after the facelift (definitely not before the facelift due to handling issues). I wouldn't expect any bike nowadays to be available for decent money, rather the opposite. The most ridiculous example is a Honda Africa Twin with a price of an R1250GS. Strange times, so I worry that others will follow, especially BMW with the new, upcoming GS.
If you meant a 2010 Multistrada, then I HIGHLY discourage you from purchasing it - definitely not before test riding it first. To me it was the worst-handling bike in the class ever. It totally didn't want to turn. Now, the 2015 model, so after the facelift, was awesome and I think I enjoyed it more than today's V4. I hope that this helps.
@@VToldsMotoShow i got the 2010. Got a really good deal on it. It handles better than any bike I've ever ridden. It's not faster than any bike I've ever ridden but very quick. High RPMs going through the gears I'd slide off if it wasnt for the passenger seat step up.
It looks bran new. Runs great and I hope nobady can tell me they told me so. From all the feedback I've gotten on this bike I have a 60% chance in favor of a positive outcome.
I'm crossing my fingers...
I was really waiting for this... This bike is awesome and I love its design and all the builted in technology, but I just can't afford.
No need to rush, most vehicles are getting cheaper after a few years and getting them used becomes much more affordable.
Hi, The mts1200 had 150 hp not 160.
Thanks, I'm not sure when this is being said but perhaps I meant the 1260 with 158 HP or "around 160". But yes, what you mentioned is true.
No, DVT 1200 model has 160 HP
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Bo zarejestrowany w Polsce.
@@VToldsMotoShow kòmam. Pozdrowenia Z Cefalu' - włochy
Multistrada is the best maxitrail.
Ktm 1290 sas have radar standard.
Dear V-Told,
Congrats on another very substantial analysis of a Bike in comparison, which isn’t easy to do. Not for beginners at least, I suppose, what anyway, is not the case here.
I don’t say that you “destroyed” 😂 one of the bikes in reference on this video, because you’re too nice of a bike admirer, to do a thing like that and because I know about your exemption in this forums by the large previous work that you’ve been doing in this TH-cam channel. But if I were in the verge to buy This Ducati, I would think twice before I close the purchase. Italian Machines. We know what they say about them. That they are stunning beautiful but… That bad fame is difficult to reverse, but I see true efforts to eliminate that impression.
We clearly are talking about premium bikes, the cost of either one …they must be equally excellent bikes. So, we are nitpicking here. All the disadvantages are minor on the choice of more than 2x € 10.000,00 to get this bike brand new. It’s got to be good. Both of them.
The heat at the leg, could be a major issue for a bike like this if it happens on open road trips, long trips, but in the city riding, is a minor issue. (Doesn’t it have an Exup valve ? That Exup valve technology of Yamaha was something else!) 😂
Everybody said that , for instance, about the Triumph 1200 Scrambler XC or XE and I felt nothing, literally. Maybe the manufacturer fixed the problem, but I tested one recently, and felt zero or nothing mentionable. And maybe, at the present moment Ducati may have solved that side effect also. Because I hear no one talking about it. A lot of owners used to complain about the gas consumption, but I’m not having that feedback anymore with the bikes sold in 2022. Maybe they’ve done something to better that too. And what about the rally version? It’s the equivalent to the BMW R 1250 GSA. Have you tested? I’m curious about that specific Multistrada.
Do you know that in 2024 along with the new GS, there are rumors for the launch of a S 1000 XR on steroids? Interesting times, with tempting choices that are about to wake up our senses in a near future, I guess 👌🏻
Thanks for another excellent video review on the Multistrada V4 ✌️✌️
Good points about heat and fuel consumption. I feel that there's not much Ducati can do about that. They've known about the heat from the beginning as the bike comes with rear two cylinders deactivation feature in order to keep it cooler. Nah, that's not fixing it for my riding style. Fuel consumption - this I believe depends on what riders expect. I don't care but I also drive a V8 petrol car, so yeah - as you said - up to some point this is personal! :)
I'm curious to try a Rally version but I'm not having high hopes of dealers having such demo bikes available for rent. I'll keep checking though as it might be a worthy competitor to some others here. Now, the S 1000 XR with an "M" in its name makes me very curious indeed. Another good point and something to definitely-definitely keep an eye on. BMW can come up with crazy cool ideas from time to time and let's hope this is one of those. But hey, at least they are NOT priced the same way as Ducatis are for some reason, right? ;) All the best!
@@VToldsMotoShow perfect answer, couldn’t say it better. You rock!!🙌
Design very nice but chain motorcycle i will never buy becouse cost time and money, cos of that stick bmw. Right now i am driving bmw r nine t if i wanna change up right relax riding than 1250 gs. I really dont undrrstand why the other motorcycle brands not give up chain system? Ok for performance nice but not everybody need performance maintenance cost more importance i think.
Oh my !!!! A 100 $$$ chain every 10,000 miles !!!!! What a money pit !!!! Did I mention how easy it is to change the final drive ratio 😁😁😁😁😁😁😀😀😀😀😀🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
@@artmchugh5644 its 200 euro minumum where i live plus lab cost, and cleaning, lubricating stuff, time, mess not everybody handy and has time, place so its cost a lot. What adding for riding 10% more power?
Fuel mileage and chain drive made me look elsewhere.
I haven't had a chance to properly test fuel consumption. Couldn't stop myself from constantly rolling that throttle wide open. But I really find the drive shaft superior to a chain in this class of motorcycles.
@@VToldsMotoShow I ended up buying a 2021 RT, because I already had a 2014 GSA and found that I spent most of the time on the road.
desmo sound with 4 cylinders, but not compare this one to a Honda or a Gs. It’s completely different. Technically and structurally is different from any other motorbike
I'm no mechanic, I'd don't know and don't care. As long as it works and doesn't malfunction, I'm happy.
I ride a 2018 1200 GS. Not seen anything here that makes me think the Ducati is a better bike. Build quality matters
Well, it's indeed hard to tell which would be better. It can accelerate more quickly and we've got to give it that for sure. Subjectively it may sound better to many. But the rest? I'd struggle to pick any other significant advantage over 1200/1250GS.
GS is as ugly as sin. This is beautiful
GS is not ugly. It looks very purposeful and hardy. Previous gen Multistrada looked better and had character. V4 looks generic to me.
I see what you may mean. I also wouldn't call the GS "beautiful" like Jennifer Lopez but rather "cool" like young Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yet the Multi could be somewhere between Salma Hayek and Penelope Cruz.
@@VToldsMotoShow agreed
Your BMW bias is showing, but I liked your video. Thanks
What's the bias about? I'm not sure how there can be any bias...
Hey, I just get the sense that you love Beamers more is all.
I've ridden both, and both take a different approach to get you down the road. For my older hands I do like the BMW's clutch better. The Ducati's V4 definitely was rev happy where the BMW's revs came up a bit slower. One feels more like a tourer while the other one feels like a sport tourer if that makes sense.
Again, thanks for the review. It helps me out when trying to select one.
Yeah, well, I prefer some of BMWs' engines or handling while at the same time I live Ducatis' exhaust sounds and often design more. I'd tend to believe that one may be biased only if there were external conditions that would cause that - like owning one or the other, being a citizen of a country that a certain manufacturer is located in, having friends somewhere high in one of the companies or being paid for advertising by one of the companies. Even attending media rides or being given motorcycles for longer time for free could apply. And none of this applies to me. Cheers!
a stop start will only make it HOTTER. liquid cooling requires the engine running. that's why it's recommended to leave a overheating vehicle running at idle, it will cool much faster than shutting it off. if you shut it off and the water pump is no longer working, all the engine heat has nowhere to go but out via the engine surfaces
Depends how close to FAN ON temp is...if very close then yes, wait till it starts cooling but if not very hot (yet) then shut off even waiting on red light. At idle fuel mixture is very lean so temp will rise very quickly, that's normal but fuel itself also can cool cylinder wall etc. In proper quantity of course 😊
@@audiolover remind me to never buy a used vehicle from you
@@DavidSmith-jj5pr 😁 not for sale, thx
Interesting, interesting. I guess it the fans keep going like they do just after switching the engine off but keeping the ignition ON, then perhaps it could help a little - stopping the "generator" from heating up even more.
@@VToldsMotoShow the fan running is only cooling the radiator, the water pump isn't circulating coolant. but unless I know the battery is weak, I let it run until it shuts itself off too. it can't hurt! hah
much better to pay for a new chain than a new conic group...
These bikes are not made to be loud not this category makes no sense not in USA
I had a 2015 Multistrada. It was a POS. The Skyhook suspension wanted to do tank slappies at moderate cornering speeds. The throttle maps let any old lady in a Prius out drag me at the lights, but once in a while would go bananas wheelieing me into the car in front. At 5,000 miles there was a pile of metal filings on the oil pan drain bolt, the longest 3/16 inch. The clutch slave cylinder leaked so it had to be bled every month. The cost of maintenance and repairs was ridiculous.
I now have a 1290 SAS. Better in every way. I hear VW wants to sell Ducati. Pity the fool who buys it.
Interesting - thanks for sharing your experiences with the '15 Multi. It kind of hurts to hear all that but hey, sometimes those kinds of things lead us to better places and I hope that choosing a KTM was such a better place for you.
'cause you really think Ktm or BMW is more reliable ? Let me laugh !
Pogoń za mocą której się nie wykorzysta, kosztem zasięgu na jednym zbiorniku. To raczej nie jest turystyczne podejście.
Odpycha się fajnie, ale rzeczywiście w pewnym momencie nawet przestaje się czuć różnicę. Być może dlatego też się tak grzeje skubaniec z lewej strony.
Szkoda ze nie po pl
KTM 1290s far better IMHO....
I wish I could confirm that but I haven't ridden the KTM. I actually am eager to trust your opinion however. Thanks for the hint though.
From India
Tata is from India!
@@VToldsMotoShow yes
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BMW Bias!
100%
Fuel range and consumption is horrendous
Thanks for sharing that! I didn't manage to test that when riding the bike. It was way to aggressive as the bike is encouraging to use its performance, so my fuel consumption must've been extreme. But hey, maybe that's exactly the reason?!