Isn't there a saying like "it doesn't matter how good you are at something, there will always be an asian kid that is better at it"? I think it would be applicable here.
@@khestal I interpreted it as her knowing C, Visual Basic, HTML, and SQL, and know OF COBOL. The first ones are pretty basic stuff for anyone in computer science, while COBOL is deep dark magic that you cannot learn. If you perform the right rituals, an eldritch abomination will grant you the knowledge to write COBOL. The way she speaks about it, it seems like she hasnt done programming in some time though.
She probably got some basic programming classes in high-school, enough to understand the syntax of some popular languages. Considering she can only recall some of the knowledge, I bet she never used it again.
@@dkosmari I thought high-school wouldn't have SQL in their curriculum, or is it the standard now? The starter deck is usually C and/or visual basic or the likes
@@nietzchan It's not "standard curriculum", and we're talking about Japan here, where schools can vary more on their extracurricular programs than your average "standardized public education system" in your own country. It was probably more about making the students "code literate" than actually teaching it. Just like you can learn about Sigma notation for summations in your high school Mathematics class, without actually doing anything useful with it, like manipulating infinite series, checking for convergence, etc. You probably learned divisibility tricks (check if a number is divisible by 3, 4, 6, 8 or 9) without actually being taught modular arithmetic or deriving the equations that generate the tricks. SQL being the standard for retrieving data from structured databases, it would make sense for it to be presented; you don't need to be shown Relational Algebra before you can start making sense of simple SQL queries.
It’s not my fault that computer hardware is boring! I want to learn about it, but any time I look at the specs, I suddenly get really sleepy or get distracted by something else. Now programming something, on the other hand… That’s the real stuff!
As a programmer honestly it's really easy to learn a new programming language. Once you get the basics it's just a matter of syntax. The hard part is just learning the first one
As a programmer, I say that's false. You can learn the syntax and still write the most horrible programs imaginable, simply because you don't know how to use the language's strengths. As the saying goes, "you can write FORTRAN in any language." This is also called the "Sapir-Whorf hypothesis": writing in some language means thinking in that language.
@@dkosmari So you can use it... you just don't know how to optimize it. Like talking in a foreign language with other people but not knowing enough to give a presentation or something like that... kinda what I'm doing right know. Guess we agree to disagree.
The most important part is learning libraries for specific languages, now that takes time. Whether it be the plethora of Javascript libraries, or the C++ standard library. No matter what language you use there will be libraries specific to that language that you will have to learn (unless you want to reinvent the wheel, which your employer and colleagues would hate you for). You don't need to learn every library, but you can't say you've learned a language until you've learned all the libraries (at least familiar enough to skim documentation) necessary for what you want to do with that language.
@@hazamax2139 Depending on the task, optimization (especially when it's language/compiler specific) is usually an after thought, most companies want you to be able to ship a product in due time than to make perfectly optimized software. More important are your general algorithms/problem solving and how well you know the libraries/tech stack for the specific task. And then nice general programming practices to keep your boss and colleagues happy with clean readable code.
Software engineering student here, and yeah. When she said at the end she knows "a little bit of everything", that's pretty much the gist of it. For loops are in most languages, but the version she mentioned is most commonly seen in C languages and, ironically, Java. SQL is less of a programming language and more of a database access system, but SELECT is indeed the most important part of it.
Computer scientist here. Yup, once you learn your first one you can pretty much jump into any other. There will be differences ofc but logic stays the same.
@@siekensou77 C++ was created as an entirely new language, in the same Bell Labs where C was invented. Stroustrup (the creator of C++) was encouraged (by the creators of C and others) to just borrow C's syntax, while nearly everything else was borrowed from other languages (with worse syntax) or just invented from scratch. Some C++ features were borrowed back into C, like the "const" and "void" keywords. Very quickly, Stroustrup started to get overwhelmed with feature requests from C programmers within Bell Labs, and from outside, because they wanted to write "C-like programs with extra features" and there was no other language that tried to do that. It's the language that most closely resembles an "upgrade to C." Java on the other hand started off with Sun asking James Gosling to create a scripting language for certain "smart devices" like TV sets, but later they changed the requirements, and told him it should be a systems language instead. Since it was treated like a product, with release deadlines, that's pretty much what they got, with all versions prior to 1.4 being horrible betas. It survived mostly through a lot of marketing and promises, with Sun hiring "Java Evangelists" in most universities across the world, spending more money on it than on improving the product. Java's branding was so "good," that the Netscape scripting language, first known as Mocha, then LiveScript, got rebranded as "JavaScript" after Netscape signed a marketing deal with Sun. The "Java" name was more valuable than the language itself.
I know a bunch of programming languages and I’ve been programming for over a decade. And even I don’t know COBOL… very specific language to learn. I’m wondering at her age now because C and SQL are a pretty old school combination.
This girl is damn smart. She sings, she entertain, she good at most strategy/puzzle game and most importantly she knew programming. Programming can be complicated to learn and I'm impressed with her skill-set.
Got to learn Java, Visual Basic, and C++ during high school too...I promptly forgot about almost all of it once I entered college (because I'm not taking a computer science/programming course anyway lol)
If she knows C and C++ she'll probably pick up JAVA in no time. I personally found it easier to scale upwards from Assembly, because I needed to knock out the simplest most obnoxious languages first. Anyway, we all knew Luna was a genius from the start.
I like Luna because she's obviously very intelligent but chooses to come off as a childlike weirdo. Most women would try to come of as strong and authoritative but she has nothing to make up for. So she's a friendly pink little princess from Lunaland. I think that shows true self confidence to play the fool like that.
heard the word COBOL before knowing it is a computer language but had to go on Wikipedia to see a bit about it... that is archaic! so from what she knows, she must of studied to be a IT in a business maintaining servers and databases and debugging things... i used to know a bit of C++ and used that to mod the JAVA code (close but has syntax exceptions/differences) that unreal tournament used back then (only modify and not create.) but forgot most of it. (C++ is still used in games but what the user "gets" usually is LUA, easy to learn if you know any C variant languages. this prevents malicious code to get put in the game and at the same time lets people make feature rich mods!)
Luna: Nnnnnaaaaaaa, I understand something Luna backwards: Orra! I can't tell you all I know, I have a character to maintain. Did you think I was dumb? In other hand. She learnt COBOL. That makes me ask her age. And that if she left Vtubing, she will have work assured.
Wow, if I had a nickel for every time a Hololive member talks about programming, I'd have 3 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice, right?
For better or worse, VBA is still in use today, particularly for scripting your Excel sheet. MS even added VBA support to Office on Mac in the past few years
Most likely, she was just shown a variety of code snippets in multiple languages, to see in what way they're similar. Actually teaching COBOL in the 21st century should be a human rights violation.
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she's the 0 year old candidate with 20 years of experience every company wants
Lol
LMAO
LMAO
Lmao
Boss baby
luna : "i'm 0 year old princess"
also luna : "i know COBOL"
how old are you again!?!?
That surprised me. Nowadays it's just a language you find for big old enterprises like banks and such. Or else she just had an old fashioned teacher.
@@mauroktd i'm in programming classes 10 years ago they didn't even bother teaching COBOL anymore. that's when i questioned her age lol
My mother knows COBOL. She's retiring this year.
She's one of the oldest 0 year old in Hololive but what does that make her again? a 0 year old princess of course
@@sani8443 She's actually the 3rd oldest in Hololive at only 0 years old
Don’t let Hime being a baby distract you from the fact that she’s probably smarter than you and I xD
The way it's translated doesn't seem she knows much about those languages.
Isn't there a saying like "it doesn't matter how good you are at something, there will always be an asian kid that is better at it"? I think it would be applicable here.
@@khestal I interpreted it as her knowing C, Visual Basic, HTML, and SQL, and know OF COBOL. The first ones are pretty basic stuff for anyone in computer science, while COBOL is deep dark magic that you cannot learn. If you perform the right rituals, an eldritch abomination will grant you the knowledge to write COBOL.
The way she speaks about it, it seems like she hasnt done programming in some time though.
Coding is 50% black magic so I don't know if your statement remains true or otherwise.
She beat most programmer by the age of 1🤣🤣🤣
I was not expecting this lore drop
DROP TABLE lore;
Cutest programming talk ever
Agreed, hahhaa
Like what Ina said, when you've bachelor degree or you're anime girl, you choose the last one
What about Bachelor's in being an Anime girl?
I would never have imagined Himemori Luna uttering the word "COBOL".
No wonder why she always tells us that her age was always 0. Because first syntax always 0 and she forger to put the age++ to the program
Lmao yes
Naruhudo ne
She just declare it and forgot to use it afterwards
Unsigned integer overflow
🤣
So proud of her genius talent from such a young age, our baby princess is growing!
She's one of our people/programmer? Such lore. Omg she's programming student/alumni.
She probably got some basic programming classes in high-school, enough to understand the syntax of some popular languages. Considering she can only recall some of the knowledge, I bet she never used it again.
@@dkosmari not like she needs to anyway
@@dkosmari I thought high-school wouldn't have SQL in their curriculum, or is it the standard now?
The starter deck is usually C and/or visual basic or the likes
@@nietzchan It's not "standard curriculum", and we're talking about Japan here, where schools can vary more on their extracurricular programs than your average "standardized public education system" in your own country.
It was probably more about making the students "code literate" than actually teaching it. Just like you can learn about Sigma notation for summations in your high school Mathematics class, without actually doing anything useful with it, like manipulating infinite series, checking for convergence, etc. You probably learned divisibility tricks (check if a number is divisible by 3, 4, 6, 8 or 9) without actually being taught modular arithmetic or deriving the equations that generate the tricks. SQL being the standard for retrieving data from structured databases, it would make sense for it to be presented; you don't need to be shown Relational Algebra before you can start making sense of simple SQL queries.
Luna
Computer hardware: I slept
Programming language: REAL SHIT
Every programmer
It’s not my fault that computer hardware is boring! I want to learn about it, but any time I look at the specs, I suddenly get really sleepy or get distracted by something else. Now programming something, on the other hand… That’s the real stuff!
"I know COBOL too!"
The world's oldest baby.
Well of course she would know. Princesses are known to be well educated.
I'm actually most surprised she knows COBOL. That shit is almost archaic now lol
Luna is the person who answers those Stackoverflow threads, sasuga tensai hime
She's the only non-toxic person on those threads, lol
That's the cutest programmer I've ever seen in my entire life..
As a programmer honestly it's really easy to learn a new programming language. Once you get the basics it's just a matter of syntax. The hard part is just learning the first one
As a programmer, I say that's false. You can learn the syntax and still write the most horrible programs imaginable, simply because you don't know how to use the language's strengths. As the saying goes, "you can write FORTRAN in any language." This is also called the "Sapir-Whorf hypothesis": writing in some language means thinking in that language.
@@dkosmari So you can use it... you just don't know how to optimize it. Like talking in a foreign language with other people but not knowing enough to give a presentation or something like that... kinda what I'm doing right know.
Guess we agree to disagree.
You're both wrong.
The most important part is learning libraries for specific languages, now that takes time. Whether it be the plethora of Javascript libraries, or the C++ standard library. No matter what language you use there will be libraries specific to that language that you will have to learn (unless you want to reinvent the wheel, which your employer and colleagues would hate you for).
You don't need to learn every library, but you can't say you've learned a language until you've learned all the libraries (at least familiar enough to skim documentation) necessary for what you want to do with that language.
@@hazamax2139 Depending on the task, optimization (especially when it's language/compiler specific) is usually an after thought, most companies want you to be able to ship a product in due time than to make perfectly optimized software.
More important are your general algorithms/problem solving and how well you know the libraries/tech stack for the specific task.
And then nice general programming practices to keep your boss and colleagues happy with clean readable code.
We finally discovered the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto.
xD
Software engineering student here, and yeah. When she said at the end she knows "a little bit of everything", that's pretty much the gist of it.
For loops are in most languages, but the version she mentioned is most commonly seen in C languages and, ironically, Java. SQL is less of a programming language and more of a database access system, but SELECT is indeed the most important part of it.
werent java and c++ both parallel upgrades to c?
@@siekensou77 I say "ironically" because she said she didn't know much Java.
@@ZenithLibrarian
ah, gotcha
Computer scientist here. Yup, once you learn your first one you can pretty much jump into any other. There will be differences ofc but logic stays the same.
@@siekensou77 C++ was created as an entirely new language, in the same Bell Labs where C was invented. Stroustrup (the creator of C++) was encouraged (by the creators of C and others) to just borrow C's syntax, while nearly everything else was borrowed from other languages (with worse syntax) or just invented from scratch. Some C++ features were borrowed back into C, like the "const" and "void" keywords. Very quickly, Stroustrup started to get overwhelmed with feature requests from C programmers within Bell Labs, and from outside, because they wanted to write "C-like programs with extra features" and there was no other language that tried to do that. It's the language that most closely resembles an "upgrade to C."
Java on the other hand started off with Sun asking James Gosling to create a scripting language for certain "smart devices" like TV sets, but later they changed the requirements, and told him it should be a systems language instead. Since it was treated like a product, with release deadlines, that's pretty much what they got, with all versions prior to 1.4 being horrible betas. It survived mostly through a lot of marketing and promises, with Sun hiring "Java Evangelists" in most universities across the world, spending more money on it than on improving the product.
Java's branding was so "good," that the Netscape scripting language, first known as Mocha, then LiveScript, got rebranded as "JavaScript" after Netscape signed a marketing deal with Sun. The "Java" name was more valuable than the language itself.
C, VBA, HTML, COBOL, SQL those are guaranteed signs of a legacy systems developer.
I know she is good at keyboard but i never expected she learned totally different species of keyboard.
Man... programmer look cool.
Nahh it not. It just pain,suffering and a lot of headbanging on the keyboard.
Programming is basically just banging your head on the keyboard hoping something works
Or just pray that stackoverflow has some good answers
It's all pain and suffering but you have confidence now that Luna-hime is one of you who shares your pain... probably.
@@chronoz5950
When your program doesn't work: WHY??
When your program works: WHY??
I love this meme
I know a bunch of programming languages and I’ve been programming for over a decade. And even I don’t know COBOL… very specific language to learn. I’m wondering at her age now because C and SQL are a pretty old school combination.
This girl is damn smart. She sings, she entertain, she good at most strategy/puzzle game and most importantly she knew programming. Programming can be complicated to learn and I'm impressed with her skill-set.
COBOL?!
I guess she really isn't baby in that case.
Cobol?? She may be planning to work at a bank when she's older. The royal bank or something.
The Princess (if she wasn't a Princess) would have worked in IT. Confirmed.
0 year old is smarter than us!
😮☕...
AMAZING HIME-SAMA!!!
Pst: thanks for the translation.🛡👍
Got to learn Java, Visual Basic, and C++ during high school too...I promptly forgot about almost all of it once I entered college (because I'm not taking a computer science/programming course anyway lol)
My jaw dropped deeper than Yagoo's dream's coffin.
Yeah that's cool and everything, but can she program me a girlfriend?
Maybe she can create you an ELIZA.
The real question is, would you have the equipment for her?
She can program you to get you the FBI
404
VBA? C? COBOL??? Those are some damn boomer languages dayum baby
ok.. hime need to stream programing classes like ollie's math stream..
The way she described some of those doesn't inspire confidence that "knows" them.
But then most people wouldn't even know those names.
That's how I heard it as well, she still might've some experience in that field though
Me who has forgotten everything about Java: ah yes.
Hey at least she wont be unemployed in the future.
Is it bad that I had little to no knowledge about programming and my current job uses COBOL/CICS/SQL?
Yes, I'm able to learn it somehow
Clearly you do have knowledge of it, or you wouldn't be capable of doing the job at all. Learning on the job is still learning.
Royalty comes with its advantages and disadvantages, you don't have much stamina or strenght, but knowledge has a boost
Behold.... The power of the glassess
Luna knows Cobol? isnt that a fairly in-demand language to know for old banking systems?
GENIUS BABY LUNA
cute lunya-hime, impressive princess with knowledge of most all languages.
I think, before she got reincarnated as a baby hime, she was a programmer for some company 😂😂😂
Such a genius baby!
As a princess of the modern sweets era one should not just be verse of etiquette and attending to your people but also learn how commoners work.
She is so cute❤
Turns out she's actually beautiful jinyas kyuto gaaru
I'm an IT student just know java I'm impressed that Luna sama know's COBOL and never know how
plot twist:all of hololive is just AI that Luna made
Wow, those are kinda archaic languages, she must've taken a class awhile ago.
She just took it this year since she is still 0 years old
Omg Luna chan very smart wdh😂😂💖
Goes to show she is a true retro gamer. I didnt think she was an actual genius when i called her one.
In short, this princess baby ain't no dummy. Lol. 😂❤
Sensing strong Creamy Mami vibes of a child knowing programming skills because she is literally a magical girl.
Age: 0
IQ: 10000000000000000
When you find out that the application to be a hololive talent is a bachelor's degree
for a baby she’s so knowledgeable.. so scary…
So, she's a full stack programmer even though she's 0 years old 😮
Big brain
COBOL!? hool up
Luna and Ollie Comp Sci colab.
ngl I almost ended up on an FBI watchlist after hearing about how knowledgeable she is in programming
sure, she learned that before she was born
oh....they will hire luna
Himemori Luna: HACKERMANanora
one of us one of us oNE OF US
If she knows C and C++ she'll probably pick up JAVA in no time. I personally found it easier to scale upwards from Assembly, because I needed to knock out the simplest most obnoxious languages first. Anyway, we all knew Luna was a genius from the start.
That was totally a C syntax for loop
why is it that the Holomems whose intelligence is the most doubtful are the most intelligent
Kanata
Botan
Ollie
Luna
Lamy
0 year old programmers, what's next 0 year old FBI agent?
Holy shit that was unexpected
for loop is enemy!
I like Luna because she's obviously very intelligent but chooses to come off as a childlike weirdo. Most women would try to come of as strong and authoritative but she has nothing to make up for. So she's a friendly pink little princess from Lunaland.
I think that shows true self confidence to play the fool like that.
imperial studies SAIKYOU!
Deepest lore!
Kawaii Luna Tan
sugar powers the brain
GAP MOE
Como puede ser mi programadora tan kawaii?
Tensai baby
hecker Monent
heard the word COBOL before knowing it is a computer language but had to go on Wikipedia to see a bit about it... that is archaic! so from what she knows, she must of studied to be a IT in a business maintaining servers and databases and debugging things...
i used to know a bit of C++ and used that to mod the JAVA code (close but has syntax exceptions/differences) that unreal tournament used back then (only modify and not create.) but forgot most of it. (C++ is still used in games but what the user "gets" usually is LUA, easy to learn if you know any C variant languages. this prevents malicious code to get put in the game and at the same time lets people make feature rich mods!)
I wanna see a programming stream
SASUGA HIMESAMA!!!
luna dev's
She touched Visual Basic and regressed to a baby
So, when is the programming stream?
tensai
what a boomer lmao
Oh, she's old.....old 0 year old baby lmao
She's actually much older but forgot to add age++; to her code
Luna: Nnnnnaaaaaaa, I understand something
Luna backwards: Orra! I can't tell you all I know, I have a character to maintain. Did you think I was dumb?
In other hand. She learnt COBOL. That makes me ask her age. And that if she left Vtubing, she will have work assured.
It will be easier to learn java if you know C.
But u dont have stamina luna-hime
No program 👍
Is she gonna become michael reeves of hololive?
Sasuga hime
Wow, if I had a nickel for every time a Hololive member talks about programming, I'd have 3 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice, right?
Who are the other two?
@@abcron3788 Nene and Lamy.
@@SoraRaida Now there is Kobo-kan the little web developer.
Wow, COBOL is a thing i've heard of but not VBA. She sure knows some prehistoric languages
For better or worse, VBA is still in use today, particularly for scripting your Excel sheet. MS even added VBA support to Office on Mac in the past few years
@@tdelfino2509 is that the one that's used in Microsoft Visual Studio?
Most likely, she was just shown a variety of code snippets in multiple languages, to see in what way they're similar. Actually teaching COBOL in the 21st century should be a human rights violation.
Makes me feel bad that I only know c++.
C++ is hard as balls to learn though xd (as someone who can't get out of phyton)
I mean, if the company that hired you only needs C++ knowledge, you're good to go
++ is from c++
java also has ++
Actually the "++" operator came from the B language (successor to BCPL.) Then C inherited it, and so did every language that was based on C.
@@dkosmari
is my history knowledge failing me?...
i thought in c you had to write out the full statement and that c++ is the first use of ++
@@siekensou77 no, you can still use ++ in C. The way C++ named is because it's literally an increment of C, not that "++" comes from C++
you know what they say, start em while theyre young. Sasuga 0 year old baby