Hey. I hope that you’re blessed, doing well, and staying safe. I just wanted to leave a comment to let you know I really appreciate your videos. Thanks for all the info!
I think this is the only video I’ve seen cover this issue .. thanks! Any chance you could also do a video on optimal speaker distances from the ear, and how to judge this optimal / possible / ideal distance, based on speaker size, power etc.
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Thanks Jesco. Your speaker placement advice is super helpful, even for those of us that just want to get the most out of our speakers at home, without going crazy with room treatment.
I am just setting up my first studio, in my lounge room so limited space, and am looking for a monitor. Your vid is the first vid that properly addresses the topic. Thank you so much. Shall subscribe and look through your old vids re setting up speakers and a studio in general. Very helpful and clearly understood. Thanks a million. Also downloaded that free tool to set yup monitor speakers. Cheers. 👍
If you prefer not looking left to right as mentioned, worth thinking about a larger screen but rotated to portrait allowing windows stacked on top of each other. Many have the track/mixer windows that way anyway if using a laptop with a second monitor above. Unless working with video having screen in landscape is just convention.
Great video as always. I have a well treated room but was getting a bad slapback delay in the listening position and worked out it was coming from the computer screen and a bass trap with a membrane on the back wall so had to add some difusion on top of the trap to fix the problem, also i noticed that if i push the computer screen further back behind my speakers instead of parallel, the feeling of depth in the stereo feild opened up much more.
My new control room is nearing completion. I will run my standard set up of my near fields stand mounted and woofers 64.5" apart. (may adjust once set up)The near fields are around 30" off the front wall and my new Samsung 32" curved monitors will be placed around 19" off the front wall. The video monitors are set on devices I built with acoustic insulation in them and binary diffusion facing me. Jesco's Better Bass Trap course is worth every penny. Thanks for all you do Jesco.
Super interesting! I just got a 49" curved monitor (the best thing that's ever happened to me!) and if I'm too close, I get an awful ringing at 410Hz. I gotta make sure to back up to the mix position in order to not hear that. My speakers are a little farther apart than is ideal, but I have 15 of your 8" bass traps from Build a Better Bass Trap that are taking care of the major issues!
Hello! I am in a similar situation right now where I got myself a 49" ultra wide monitor which I am super happy with, but now I want to buy myself a pair of studio monitors and with my current desk setup its impossible to get that equilateral triangle. My monitors would be roughly 140 cm apart but I am sitting at 100cm distance to the hypothetical studio monitors. How did you tackle that problem or what is your current distance between the monitors and from you to the monitors?
@@lucus1717 I just push my chair back a little bit when I'm doing some critical listening. Since I work in dialogue post production I'm usually doing the bulk of my work in headphones, then just do the final mixes on monitors with my chair pushed back a bit. Not perfect, but it's working!
All examples here have the display pretty much between the speakers. I would like to to hear your comments about a setup where the displays are more in front of the speakers and therefore the sound is partially reflected back from the computer monitors.
the older generation, even someone as pragmatic as Bob Katz, insist in taking the screens completly out of the monitor horizontal line. they argument with comb filtering while having a glass wall at the same position the screen could go. than they say the screen has to be behind the monitor line. logic tells me it is better in front of them (obviously without beeing in the direct sound line) because all the reflections will go in direction of the frontwall and from there mostly into the sidewall absorbtion
One touch screen monitor close about 50-60cm from me,another big behind the speakers on the wall. Unusually I do absorption on my desk and infront of my monitor also.
Hi Jesco, i am using a 27” imac, for now my equilateral triangle at 156cm, and the imac screen about 75cm in front of my eyes so it currently seat inside the triangle. I plan to make the imac sit at my table top, closer to me and tilt it at certain degree angle, will it improve the sound reproduced by the speaker since the imac has no longer inside the triangle?
Easily one of the most relevant people in acoustics right now IMO. Of course, our elders in acoustics that are still around have plenty of solid information, but it can be really confusing for some because their generation wasn't nearly as concerned about bass as we are today. So much traditional acoustic advice goes out the window when you are making computer music, since so much traditional acoustic advice literally wasn't considering the ~< 90hz range all that much IMO.
This comment perplexes me. Studios have always been built with proper bass control as one of the prime criteria. Mastering suites have always been concerned with accurate bass down to the limits of human hearing. No idea where you're getting that 90Hz number from, that's absurdly high and nobody in professional audio would ever have been happy with a room or monitor system that lost accuracy below such a high frequency.
I really appreciate this post and I’m assuming ever studio is different. My assumption to what you are saying is that the screen placement bears very little to nothing mutual speaker placement. I currently have 50” tv between my speakers and was contemplating getting something ultra wide but closer. Am I right to assume this should not affect my sound quality?
So the screen in the middle of your speaker can’t affect your depth perception? There has to be some reflection that bounce off the edge of the speaker that hit the monitor and then your ears, no?
Hey I'm currently hunting for a new Studio-Room (Music Production/Mixing/Mastering). Thanks to your Guide I know what to look for when it comes to dimensions and symmetry, however, I can't find anything about door placement... Where is it best to have the studio-door? I guess it is a bad idea to have it directly in the corners because you want to use this space for corner bass traps. Having it at the back wall could be a bad choice too. Reflection points could be located there, also the door is normally made from a different material than the walls. Therfore, I consider searching for a room having sidewall door placement, near the back wall with some room left for corner bass traps. Could have the door at the sidewall mess with the stereo field? Would love to know your thoughts/advice about this, including the factors which I should consider. Again: I don't have the room yet, I just want to watch out for an ideal room matching all the criteria to keep the later effort to a minimum.
Talking about higher speakers placement - I have put my speakers 25cm higher than my ear height (and tilted ofc) so that the tweeter isnt in the middle of the room height (My room is 256cm high which means that both my head and speakers are exactly in the middle of the room) I did the bass hunter method and tried to get best possible low end for like one month of various experiments, but nothing really works except putting them really near the rear wall... The worst part is if I stand up the low-end is great XD (im 190cm tall) Do you have any tips that might help me? Room size is 445x378x256 and I got sceptre s8
Thanks sir. I’m excited to watch your video, but I’m deaf in one hear and I have to use headphones, which I had made for me to hear stereo from one side. So again, I want to follow your directions and I’m looking for a larger screen, actually, a new screen, because I have an old iMac 27” that needs replacing and I’m working on getting a Mac mini M2 Pro and I would need a new screen. Any advice? Thank you again.
Hey. Could you make a video about Speaker boundary interference SBIR. I have to put my speakers about 50cm near the rearwall and sidewalls. Thinking best would be to put plateresonators in the corners, knowing that only low frequencies are send in all directions from the speaker. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Hmmm… this just made me think it might be worth trying put a couple foam pads behind my HS8s to see if it helps with the bass reflections I’m getting in my condo’s setup. Possibly not as I’d guess it’s coming from the sub, but possibly worth trying. Totally not what I came to this video for, but hey. 🤷♂️😹😎
What are your thoughts on dealing with reflections from computer monitors? I went from 2 flat 22" monitors to one curved ultrawide 34" and noticed that the concave shape focuses the reflections, so that I have to slightly turn the monitor to the side when mixing and mastering so it doesn't focus reflections right at me.
Another straight-forward video...thanks! Regarding speaker placement, my room has an 8' ceiling. My ears and tweeters just happen to be at 4' from the floor. I'm told this "mid-way between floor and ceiling" is NOT a good place for the tweeters to be. Which is better/worse...raise the speakers and angle them downward or leaving them at the mid-way height of the room?
I am not a music producer but I have a question on my desktop setup Is there any issues if I am near field at approx 70 cm triangle with the screen almost flush but I have my PC tower on the desk about 5 cm from the right speaker?
I still didn’t figured out what my problem is… To me speakers, even high end, do not sound good. Meaning that in every scenario (different speakers in different rooms/studios) I can hear their limits or problems. I still didn’t find speakers or rooms where I can say “that sounds perfect”. Is it an ability or a course? 😅
Hi Jesco, thanks for the great video. I have my near field monitors placed on a window sill with a desk in front of it that carries my 32" 16:9 monitor. The screen does not block the line of sight to the monitors in any way, but sitting in front of the speaker plane, wouldn't it cause some comb filtering by introducing new reflection points at its sides? Could this be a real concern in terms of sound quality? Thanks!
I’m firmly in the camp of having absolutely nothing in between monitors as well as nothing close to the sides either. As much free space around the speakers as possible. In between the speakers is where the magic happens! I have some serious lowend treatment and decently controlled reverberation times which allows me to back up as you’ve mentioned. Speakers are about 6’ apart. When I listen I can almost reach out and grab the vocals. Wide stereo/spatial elements move beyond the speakers. I still have 3 screens though. My 15” laptop and small 7” field monitor angled back on my desk. Plus my biggest 22” screen low on a rack sitting next to me on casters. So as little interference as possible is my approach. Great vids by the way!
Side-by-side screens don't work for me, either, but I still prefer an ultrawide for the extra timeline real estate (less horizontal scrolling/paging). However, I find two stacked screens-with at least one ultrawide (on top)-is ideal. That way, I can keep my extended timeline up top with a mixer down below. The top screen sits between the monitor speakers at eye level and the bottom screen sits on the desk surface, angled up toward the viewer.
This can work if you mount it on the wall and have your speakers off the wall in front of the video monitor. I did this for 3 years and it worked great. The near field speakers were over 2 feet off the wall and 68 " apart.
@@RecordProducerRob It works ok acoustically, but my room is on the smaller side so I'm sitting so close to the screen; kind of like a little kid in the 80s watching saturday morning cartoons. My neck is killing me lol
You'll be ditching that monster soon enough, just as I did my 43". Now I have a 25" in my studio. Best decision display-wise for sure, and this is coming from a fan of screen real estate
I have a 34" curved aswell as a 46" tv above it on the wall. I have some great measurements and am in the sweet spot. (I'm only having abit struggle with 1 resonance peak at around 85z, and another resonance at around 125 that i need to deal with). HOWEVER, the accoustics does not work great the other way around. Whenever i talk i have this weird echo bouncing on the table, tv and monitor almost making me dizzy lol! So the accoustics in my room is very good from the speaker point of view but from the other side - not so much :) Ps. It actually helped moving the 34inch display from the desk to another lower desk just behind my main desk. Tilted the screen abit up towards me. I now have to "look down" on the screen which is way more comfortable to my neck aswell
Hey. I hope that you’re blessed, doing well, and staying safe. I just wanted to leave a comment to let you know I really appreciate your videos. Thanks for all the info!
I think this is the only video I’ve seen cover this issue .. thanks! Any chance you could also do a video on optimal speaker distances from the ear, and how to judge this optimal / possible / ideal distance, based on speaker size, power etc.
Thanks Jesco. Your speaker placement advice is super helpful, even for those of us that just want to get the most out of our speakers at home, without going crazy with room treatment.
I am just setting up my first studio, in my lounge room so limited space, and am looking for a monitor. Your vid is the first vid that properly addresses the topic. Thank you so much. Shall subscribe and look through your old vids re setting up speakers and a studio in general. Very helpful and clearly understood. Thanks a million. Also downloaded that free tool to set yup monitor speakers. Cheers. 👍
If you prefer not looking left to right as mentioned, worth thinking about a larger screen but rotated to portrait allowing windows stacked on top of each other.
Many have the track/mixer windows that way anyway if using a laptop with a second monitor above.
Unless working with video having screen in landscape is just convention.
Great video as always. I have a well treated room but was getting a bad slapback delay in the listening position and worked out it was coming from the computer screen and a bass trap with a membrane on the back wall so had to add some difusion on top of the trap to fix the problem, also i noticed that if i push the computer screen further back behind my speakers instead of parallel, the feeling of depth in the stereo feild opened up much more.
My new control room is nearing completion. I will run my standard set up of my near fields stand mounted and woofers 64.5" apart. (may adjust once set up)The near fields are around 30" off the front wall and my new Samsung 32" curved monitors will be placed around 19" off the front wall. The video monitors are set on devices I built with acoustic insulation in them and binary diffusion facing me. Jesco's Better Bass Trap course is worth every penny. Thanks for all you do Jesco.
Super interesting! I just got a 49" curved monitor (the best thing that's ever happened to me!) and if I'm too close, I get an awful ringing at 410Hz. I gotta make sure to back up to the mix position in order to not hear that. My speakers are a little farther apart than is ideal, but I have 15 of your 8" bass traps from Build a Better Bass Trap that are taking care of the major issues!
Hello! I am in a similar situation right now where I got myself a 49" ultra wide monitor which I am super happy with, but now I want to buy myself a pair of studio monitors and with my current desk setup its impossible to get that equilateral triangle. My monitors would be roughly 140 cm apart but I am sitting at 100cm distance to the hypothetical studio monitors. How did you tackle that problem or what is your current distance between the monitors and from you to the monitors?
@@lucus1717 I just push my chair back a little bit when I'm doing some critical listening. Since I work in dialogue post production I'm usually doing the bulk of my work in headphones, then just do the final mixes on monitors with my chair pushed back a bit. Not perfect, but it's working!
All examples here have the display pretty much between the speakers. I would like to to hear your comments about a setup where the displays are more in front of the speakers and therefore the sound is partially reflected back from the computer monitors.
Just received my Dell S3220DGF 32" curved gaming monitor. She's a real Beauty. But, wish this video was made available prior to the purchase.
I am binge watching ur videos so hard. great stuff rly thanks
Good info. Thx! I'm in the midst of building a small studio so this is quite timely.
Excellent presentation! Many thanks.
What about a wall-mounted 43" TV? Sounds like I could just move the equalateral triangle off the wall a little bit with some speaker stands?
I agree with your comments. May I send you a photo of my room where I have a 70" Promethean Monitor and two 24" Lenovo monitors with LEDE acoustics.
the older generation, even someone as pragmatic as Bob Katz, insist in taking the screens completly out of the monitor horizontal line.
they argument with comb filtering while having a glass wall at the same position the screen could go.
than they say the screen has to be behind the monitor line. logic tells me it is better in front of them (obviously without beeing in the direct sound line) because all the reflections will go in direction of the frontwall and from there mostly into the sidewall absorbtion
I tried ultrawide (34"), but it was too big, got pain in my neck from moving around. I'm now on a "standard" 32" Samsung, fits my speaker setup well.
One touch screen monitor close about 50-60cm from me,another big behind the speakers on the wall. Unusually I do absorption on my desk and infront of my monitor also.
Hi Jesco, i am using a 27” imac, for now my equilateral triangle at 156cm, and the imac screen about 75cm in front of my eyes so it currently seat inside the triangle. I plan to make the imac sit at my table top, closer to me and tilt it at certain degree angle, will it improve the sound reproduced by the speaker since the imac has no longer inside the triangle?
Nice content, thanks for sharing this!
Which are the acoustic panels that you use ? And the bass traps that we can see ?
Easily one of the most relevant people in acoustics right now IMO. Of course, our elders in acoustics that are still around have plenty of solid information, but it can be really confusing for some because their generation wasn't nearly as concerned about bass as we are today. So much traditional acoustic advice goes out the window when you are making computer music, since so much traditional acoustic advice literally wasn't considering the ~< 90hz range all that much IMO.
This comment perplexes me. Studios have always been built with proper bass control as one of the prime criteria. Mastering suites have always been concerned with accurate bass down to the limits of human hearing. No idea where you're getting that 90Hz number from, that's absurdly high and nobody in professional audio would ever have been happy with a room or monitor system that lost accuracy below such a high frequency.
I really appreciate this post and I’m assuming ever studio is different. My assumption to what you are saying is that the screen placement bears very little to nothing mutual speaker placement. I currently have 50” tv between my speakers and was contemplating getting something ultra wide but closer. Am I right to assume this should not affect my sound quality?
So the screen in the middle of your speaker can’t affect your depth perception? There has to be some reflection that bounce off the edge of the speaker that hit the monitor and then your ears, no?
Hey
I'm currently hunting for a new Studio-Room (Music Production/Mixing/Mastering). Thanks to your Guide I know what to look for when it comes to dimensions and symmetry, however, I can't find anything about door placement... Where is it best to have the studio-door? I guess it is a bad idea to have it directly in the corners because you want to use this space for corner bass traps. Having it at the back wall could be a bad choice too. Reflection points could be located there, also the door is normally made from a different material than the walls. Therfore, I consider searching for a room having sidewall door placement, near the back wall with some room left for corner bass traps. Could have the door at the sidewall mess with the stereo field?
Would love to know your thoughts/advice about this, including the factors which I should consider.
Again: I don't have the room yet, I just want to watch out for an ideal room matching all the criteria to keep the later effort to a minimum.
Talking about higher speakers placement - I have put my speakers 25cm higher than my ear height (and tilted ofc) so that the tweeter isnt in the middle of the room height (My room is 256cm high which means that both my head and speakers are exactly in the middle of the room) I did the bass hunter method and tried to get best possible low end for like one month of various experiments, but nothing really works except putting them really near the rear wall... The worst part is if I stand up the low-end is great XD (im 190cm tall)
Do you have any tips that might help me?
Room size is 445x378x256 and I got sceptre s8
I was looking for a new screen TODAY. Perfect timing for that video!
Thanks sir. I’m excited to watch your video, but I’m deaf in one hear and I have to use headphones, which I had made for me to hear stereo from one side. So again, I want to follow your directions and I’m looking for a larger screen, actually, a new screen, because I have an old iMac 27” that needs replacing and I’m working on getting a Mac mini M2 Pro and I would need a new screen. Any advice? Thank you again.
Crystal clear! Thank you
can you please talk about a studio desk? i mean a lot of people says that some acoustical problems are cause of the reflection from the desk. lg
Hi Jesco, in your setup you are getting the very first reflections from you racks angled ”roof”. Can that cause some canceling?
Thank you very much.
Thank you!
Hey.
Could you make a video about Speaker boundary interference SBIR.
I have to put my speakers about 50cm near the rearwall and sidewalls. Thinking best would be to put plateresonators in the corners, knowing that only low frequencies are send in all directions from the speaker.
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
What's up with blocking the ports on the Adams? :)
Get the smallest screen you can work well on and have it as low as possible. Curved screens will introduce more acousitc problems than flat ones.
Hmmm… this just made me think it might be worth trying put a couple foam pads behind my HS8s to see if it helps with the bass reflections I’m getting in my condo’s setup. Possibly not as I’d guess it’s coming from the sub, but possibly worth trying.
Totally not what I came to this video for, but hey. 🤷♂️😹😎
What are your thoughts on dealing with reflections from computer monitors? I went from 2 flat 22" monitors to one curved ultrawide 34" and noticed that the concave shape focuses the reflections, so that I have to slightly turn the monitor to the side when mixing and mastering so it doesn't focus reflections right at me.
Another straight-forward video...thanks! Regarding speaker placement, my room has an 8' ceiling. My ears and tweeters just happen to be at 4' from the floor. I'm told this "mid-way between floor and ceiling" is NOT a good place for the tweeters to be. Which is better/worse...raise the speakers and angle them downward or leaving them at the mid-way height of the room?
My monitors are horizontal at ear level. The 45" monitor is behind the desk, there is no interference with the speakers.
I am not a music producer but I have a question on my desktop setup
Is there any issues if I am near field at approx 70 cm triangle with the screen almost flush but I have my PC tower on the desk about 5 cm from the right speaker?
I'm not getting the download email for the Phantom Speaker Test.
I still didn’t figured out what my problem is… To me speakers, even high end, do not sound good. Meaning that in every scenario (different speakers in different rooms/studios) I can hear their limits or problems. I still didn’t find speakers or rooms where I can say “that sounds perfect”. Is it an ability or a course? 😅
Hi Jesco, thanks for the great video.
I have my near field monitors placed on a window sill with a desk in front of it that carries my 32" 16:9 monitor. The screen does not block the line of sight to the monitors in any way, but sitting in front of the speaker plane, wouldn't it cause some comb filtering by introducing new reflection points at its sides? Could this be a real concern in terms of sound quality? Thanks!
I’m firmly in the camp of having absolutely nothing in between monitors as well as nothing close to the sides either. As much free space around the speakers as possible. In between the speakers is where the magic happens!
I have some serious lowend treatment and decently controlled reverberation times which allows me to back up as you’ve mentioned. Speakers are about 6’ apart. When I listen I can almost reach out and grab the vocals. Wide stereo/spatial elements move beyond the speakers.
I still have 3 screens though. My 15” laptop and small 7” field monitor angled back on my desk. Plus my biggest 22” screen low on a rack sitting next to me on casters. So as little interference as possible is my approach.
Great vids by the way!
Another question which I wouldn't mind if someone really answered
Would you recommend using a TV in your studio instead of a monitor
Hey, what's wrong with voodoo?
There is always the option to place two displays one above the other
How big your speakers are? I'm surprised because they look really small.
Side-by-side screens don't work for me, either, but I still prefer an ultrawide for the extra timeline real estate (less horizontal scrolling/paging). However, I find two stacked screens-with at least one ultrawide (on top)-is ideal. That way, I can keep my extended timeline up top with a mixer down below. The top screen sits between the monitor speakers at eye level and the bottom screen sits on the desk surface, angled up toward the viewer.
On Cyber Monday, I bought a 57" TV and have been using that as my studio monitor. I went too far.
This can work if you mount it on the wall and have your speakers off the wall in front of the video monitor. I did this for 3 years and it worked great. The near field speakers were over 2 feet off the wall and 68 " apart.
@@RecordProducerRob It works ok acoustically, but my room is on the smaller side so I'm sitting so close to the screen; kind of like a little kid in the 80s watching saturday morning cartoons. My neck is killing me lol
You'll be ditching that monster soon enough, just as I did my 43". Now I have a 25" in my studio. Best decision display-wise for sure, and this is coming from a fan of screen real estate
@@MiDnYTe25 yup, I moved that to the living room, and went back to my original ultra-wide monitor (32”)...sooo much better.
@6:00min horrific even for me lol
I have a 34" curved aswell as a 46" tv above it on the wall. I have some great measurements and am in the sweet spot. (I'm only having abit struggle with 1 resonance peak at around 85z, and another resonance at around 125 that i need to deal with). HOWEVER, the accoustics does not work great the other way around. Whenever i talk i have this weird echo bouncing on the table, tv and monitor almost making me dizzy lol! So the accoustics in my room is very good from the speaker point of view but from the other side - not so much :)
Ps. It actually helped moving the 34inch display from the desk to another lower desk just behind my main desk. Tilted the screen abit up towards me. I now have to "look down" on the screen which is way more comfortable to my neck aswell
The best screen is the biggest one...or 2...or 3, lol.