Shes also a great director who gets the best of the best to help her in her craft unlike Niel Drukman who is making what could be the biggest flop of Naughty dog and Truth be told i hope it does Niel is a cancer with his wanna be woke bs dude is just a culture vulture trying to stay relevant with his lack of skill Watch AHenning next game Cap America and black pather will blow whatever the "cuckman" has whipped up with this green LGBT crew
Yeah, yeah, Jeremy P-5210...🙂😏 It's definitely sure that *Amy Hennig is a pretty brilliant storyteller* 📝 for both the "Legacy of Kain" and "Uncharted" game series right then...
For all his flaws, and despite his violent arrogant nature, Kain had one powerful virtue: He was honest, on every game and at every moment, except after fighting Sebastian on Blood Omen 2, and even then, I believe he was honest at first.
@@marcocoelhohome That's something I noticed about him at least throughout the Soul Reaver series and Defiance, he never directly lies. Misleads people, yes, be maddingly vague at times, yes, manipulate those around him, yes, omit certain details / information, yes, but he never directly lies as far as I can tell. Regardless of his other traits, I have to give him credit for sticking to his honesty both to others and to himself.
I do too. It tells you how annoyed he is at Raziel trying to justify his desire for revenge as a sense of justice, particularly given Kain's known what it's like to be used by others even with his own goals.
In my experience the vengeance of others is never out of some delusional concept of justice It's anger, plain and simple The joy of having someone's blood on your hands Many seem to shy away from such concepts of revengr and prefer to hide behind excuses Such hypocrites
Amy Hennig is one of the greatest story writers in gaming history. The industry needs to honour her by giving her unlimited money & resources, she's a genius
@@MegaYoYo if a sequel will be possible (a big if) after defiance. I wouldn't mind if it will be the finale that Kain now has more choices that would have it's benefits to him and nosgoth and not being rigged again from the start. Although there are key problems for it to make it happen, convince Amy Hennig to make the story, gathering the original voice cast of the characters since the voices are the characters, and finding the voice actor who can fill in the shoes for the elder god since Tony Jay sadly pass. Lastly is finding a studio and publisher that are willing to assist the productions of it and will give amy creative freedom to create the story.
says me - this is BS. Soul Reaver dialogue was great. It was a simple story of revenge told with gravita. Because Raziel had been screwed beyond belief : his wings torn apart,thrown into the abyss where he died/suffered for 500 years (pretty much being burned alive for a vampire) , broken and horribly disfigured just because of the insecurity of a petty monster. He had every reason to walk and talk with heavy theatrical anger, to behave like a tortured byronic anti-hero on a roaring rampage of revenge. And Kain had completely lost touch with his humanity, a corrupt, envious , sadistic, guilt-ridden wretch of his former self, a vampiric Macbeth . It was a simple story very well-told by the opening cinematic, the environment, the music , the slightly purple prose and the theatrical voice acting. Starting Soul reaver 2 they're retconing this simple story, go into increasingly asinine plot twists (to integrate the appaling lore of BO2 about the hylden) and amp up the theatricality to hide the fact it's becoming completely nonsensical. Like Raziel reaver fighting Raziel sarafan with the soul reaver (which is also supposed to be Raziel ) . They use ornate hollow metaphor to polish a t.... They better had kept it simple. The serie all time high critically and commercially (1.5 million units) was Soul reaver. It never recovered from SR 2 and self-destroyed in nonsensical plot twists and drama by the time of LoK defiance. Sam Barlow wanted to scratch everything past Soul Reaver. Tells volume about the mess they made. A pity.
it is, it's funny Kain's delivery always reminds me of the Actor, Charles Gray. Gray's monologues in the Hammer classic, The Devil Rides Out Ride, are very much in line with Kain's speech here.
Yes, yes, yes... Truogar: So does this one iconic "Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2" cutscene where *Raziel finds Kain at the Nine Pillars of Nosgoth* here seems to be pretty good enough to you...🤔😏?
So then, *is the "Legacy of Kain" game series was in fact much more timey-whimy* ⏰⏳ than the *many seasons of "Doctor Who" TV series* 📺 as you said on your comment here by then, Stingmon #21...?
I don’t know of another game that has such a grip on players’ attention like this scene alone has. The actors went far above and beyond for this scene.
@ and I gotta wonder if it’d work as purely prose like a book/show/movie? B/c it’s kind of exemplary of every game that had “too many cutscenes,” but I wonder if it could operate at this level without the gameplay breaking it up? If I’m being honest? I feel like the only time it really hit its stride gameplay-wise was with Defiance, and that kind of stripped away a lot of the exploration in favor of character action.
@@christopheraustin5915 I honestly believe Blood Omen, the first one, at least tome, is the best game gameplay wise in the series. But I also like Metroidvanias, so I get it is not everyone's cup of tea.
the music around this time was wonderous in the original release. And the conversation was years in waiting...finally why did you do what you did? Then the famous coin lands on its edge speech
Uuugh... I am so blessed to be having these chills all over again. Bravo, once more, to Simon Templeman and Michael Belle for their amazing work as Kain and Raziel.. This scene was the jewel of LoK Storytelling for so many years..
I'll always think of this scene whenever I hear Templeman. I remember being reminded of it during the mass effect 2 dlc where he voices the scientist who uses his autistic brother to talk to the Geth. You cannot mistake the voice.
I love how, upon first glance, a plot about time traveling vampires sounds so ridicilous. But then you hear this shakespearean dialogue & voice acting, the music, the atmosphere, how the world itself IS a character... The actual gameplay in these games might have been hit or miss at times, but everything else has remained *unmatched* I genuinely can't think of another game franchise that's this captivating storywise.
It's the eyes, and the overly disgusted expression he has most of the time. I'm not too happy with either Raziel, Kain and Moebius' remodels to be honest. I still like the original designs way more.
I remember a long time ago seeing a trailer of Soul Reaver 1 on my Gex 3 CD and was instantly intrigued by it. A little while later I even saw a copy of the game at a store but the trailer's solemn and bombastic music -- which was called Sanctus Christus -- scared me out of buying it. A decade or so later, with me now in high school, I happened upon a copy of Blood Omen 2 which just so happened to have had a trailer of Soul Reaver 2 -- seriously, remember when games used to promote other games? I didn't even know the 2 were related, yet it immediately sparked memories in my head and made me seek both those games out. Verily, that single moment of doubt led to one of the biggest regrets of my life, for I could not even comprehend the depth of storytelling and lore that I denied myself that day. Then again, me being a kid and all, I doubt I would've gotten very far on account of its cerebral gameplay and puzzles, nor would I have grasped even a shred of Soul Reaver's depth of story and its flowery, Shakespearean dialogue, which was a major influence on my English vocabulary growing up. For the record, I'm not a native English speaker so that's saying something. So yeah, on one hand I truly regret having missed out on such a legendary franchise until my teenage years around 2008, by which point the series had entered dormancy...but on the other I am glad I got into it when I did as I now had the maturity to fully appreciate the richness of lore and thought-provoking, thematic depth contained within this series. I guess some things just have to be enjoyed in their own time and when fully ripe. Legacy of Kain truly is one of a kind and a grand example of games being more than mindless entertainment...and may it serve to this new generation of gamers as an example of what games used to be like when developers were driven by ideas and passion instead of money and worthless clout.
Amy Hennig is a brilliant writer. This remaster is long overdue! But lets not overlook another masterpiece she had a hand in... ...Of course i mean Michael Jordan: Chaos in the Windy City!
There are people who aren’t thrilled about the remaster even though its good. Its not perfect, hell nothing ever is but at least we got something. Its been 25 years, as fans can we agree that this is a step forward in the right direction. This could be a soulless cash grab but it was made with fan help, and the original stuff from previous years. Any other company would nickel and dime you for the extra content. But everyone can play this without the crappy PC port. The coin landed on its edge.
Ironic that both Raziel and Kain both have destinies that involve them dying to complete it. Raziel learning that he is the only one who can change time permanently must be a huge weight to bear.
@@daemonisedone4256I thought it meant more that Kain was destined to die as a human so Mortaneous would resurrect him as a vampire, but I could be wrong.
there is something about kains face, it just feels a bit off. both original and defiance looks better imo, helped along by the og version of this scene worming its way in sometimes in this video. but thank the pillars regardless that both got a remaster.
I find even in the origianl graphics especially in the opening scene in the first Soul reaver he looks off. I htink for me its they way they model his cheeks to fit his fangs in his mouth. Like they are too big for his mouth
Facial animations are mocapped for SR2 Kain model, which is a little bit shorter but has much more mellower facial structure and a bit different coloration Remaster here actually has the Render models (which is actually what it should be). Yes, the fucked up grimace is a bit too much but let's just call it Aspyr aspiring for the complete following of render materials (SR1 promo art). But it's just newer model is a bit less emotionless.
It's the Soul Reaver intro movie model. They have access to the original assets and used Kain and Raziel's models from that movie. The issue is that animations are unchanged from vanilla SR2. Kain still has the skeleton and rig of the original 23 year old model. It ends up looking kinda funky at times, when the animations twist the model in unflattering ways.
@TheKain202 Not only that, but the shading is a little bit odd too, I think if they correct, it'll become better, and his wrinkles are a little bit unnatural too, they should also work a little bit on the wrinkles.
@@DarkShadow-pe6ud OG Kain's textures had the areas around his eyes look like they were in shadow. New kain looks like he's wearing guyliner. Also his muscles are too big. Looks kinda odd.
I think it’s the shading on it more than anything that looks off. The model itself is pretty good, but it kinda sticks out from the environment in a weird way.
@@MegaYoYo There always was. However it has missing visual effects from the PS2 version and worse quality sound, as was the case with many PS2 to PC ports...
Why did Kain return to this point when Ariel was murdered. Why not go back to when the Hylien Lord tried to take over Mortanius and kill the Hylien Lord? That way Kain can stop this from ever happening. Kain's so far in Moebius' net. NOONE is the Master of Time, only Moebius. He is the Timestreamer afterall.
It's later stated that in order to truely change the past from It's fixed path, the twin soul reavers must be present (the physical one and Raziel's spectral version) as It's paradoxical existence renders the timeline maleable, this is also the retroactive explanation of how Kain changed William the Just's destiny in Blood Omen, as both weilded their Soul reavers at same time. Thus in order to truely prevent Ariel's assasination it would require Raziel's willing collaboration and for Mobius to allow them passage to the right moment, not to mention, Kain would probably still prefer the whole sequence of events to happen since that was what lead Mortanius to turn him into a Vampire in the first place.
@ ah ok thanks for answering. I just thoughht it would be really stupid if the game had a problem to consistently present the remastered graphics. That this is a feature is kind of cool actually.
Kains line starting from "Let's drop the moral posturing, shall we." Has always been my favorite in the entire series. It always felt lime the most eloquent way to call somebody out on their bs.
Ok, so this is just a nitpick, but they really didn't do the eyes well on Kain and Vorador. There are times where they look like they have a lazy eye, other times they go cross eyed. The eyes did not get the same updated treatment that the models got. The models got bigger, but the directions the eyes looked remained constant, so the eyes are off center in a lot of shots.
Can some English speaking native help me with understanding "Why condemn me for simply carrying out what you hadn't the courage to do yourself?" I'm lost about that "why condemn me" part... Because for me it could be interpreted as "did you have me thrown into the abyss just so I could kill you?" or condemn in this case means more like "why do you judge (or criticize) me... for carrying out what you hadn't the courage to do yourself" when I try to translate it to my native it could be both, but both means something different... All help apreciated in advance
In blood Omen Kain was meant to sacrifice his life to restore balance, he refuses this sacrifice and thus dooms Nosgoth to ruin and decay So he condemns Raziel by sacrificing him to the void because he found a third option to restore the world through him while staying Alive Its a crazy game of chess
In this specific instance, it leans more towards your second interpretation, that is "condemn" in the sense of judge and criticize. Basically Raziel is saying that Kain's death is long overdue for the benefit of the entire world, that he was a coward to refuse the sacrifice way back in that fateful day and that he shouldn't be judged for carrying out what was otherwise a "righteous killing for the good of the world". Kain retorts that Raziel is being disingenuous, and that it isn't truly righteousness that drives him (killing Kain to save the world) but rather his own personal indignation (desire for revenge after what Kain did to him). Kain more or less tells him not to pretend, and that it is ok if he hates him for that, it's understandable, but that lying to himself and to others about it is beneath him. Compare it to how he simply, and very negatively, refers to Moebius's web of lies and manipulations and how he also advised Raziel to avoid it. It is overall consistent with Kain wanting Raziel to truly exercise his free will, and also maybe that he overall appreciates Raziel to a degree he wasn't willing to show before.
As much as I like the majority of the upgraded / remastered graphics, something about Kain's facial expressions / features here don't feel right. It's like he's always snarling, instead of being contemplative. I think Kain's original artwork was better in this instance.
it's a shame the new character model expressions seem so downplayed compared the original. you can toggle to the old S2 graphics and notice while the models do look more dated, their expressions are a lot better
What the hell happened t Kain, he looks dopey as hell lol, and his right eye wanders noticeably. It happened on the original model too a little, but it's really bad on this new one lol
The best written conversation in gaming's history! Nothing in modern gaming can even hold a candle to this! Especially the likes of Dragon Age Wokeguard and the Last Wankers of Us 2 😂😂😂
To me, the problem seems to be present in both the old and new versions; it's that his jaw doesn't actually move, only his mouth and chin, which creates a very uncanny effect. That plus the redesigned mouth has been put into the perpetual sneer that he has in the opening cinematic of the first Soul Reaver game, which feels very unnatural to look at as a default expression.
3 seconds in and you can tell this remaster was done with the bare minimum of effort - character animations haven't been updated in any way, dialogue audio completely untouched, as flat as it was in the original.
SR1 definitely needed it, and I think the upscaled textures and new character models look good for that. But transplanting the animations to the newer models for SR2 was not a great idea (I reserve judgement over the textures, though I had noticed some that were essentially untouched). I especially hate poop-Moebius, the remaster model somehow is way more difficult to read emotions from. In my mind, the remaster was only really meant for SR1, then SR2 was tacked on so people could continue after the relatively limp cliffhanger of the first.
0:06 - 0:14 Raziel: " *These Nine Pillars of Nosgoth* ...🏛️ *Pristine, whole and it's uncorrupted* for ever since... And yet, *I had never beheld nine of them* in *this immaculate and very undefiled state* like this here..."
Suppose a coin lands on it edge...
Amy Hennig is a brilliant storyteller.
Shes also a great director who gets the best of the best to help her in her craft unlike Niel Drukman who is making what could be the biggest flop of Naughty dog and Truth be told i hope it does Niel is a cancer with his wanna be woke bs dude is just a culture vulture trying to stay relevant with his lack of skill Watch AHenning next game Cap America and black pather will blow whatever the "cuckman" has whipped up with this green LGBT crew
Yeah, yeah, Jeremy P-5210...🙂😏 It's definitely sure that *Amy Hennig is a pretty brilliant storyteller* 📝 for both the "Legacy of Kain" and "Uncharted" game series right then...
100% Naughtydog did her dirty.
@@mgshadow45 Same with EA with the Star Wars 1313 game.
yeah, I hope the series continues with her in the team, it can only be good
I love Kain's "Hate me, but do it honestly".
That and the coin landing on its side
@@MegaYoYo Probably one of the most iconic lines in the series.
For all his flaws, and despite his violent arrogant nature, Kain had one powerful virtue: He was honest, on every game and at every moment, except after fighting Sebastian on Blood Omen 2, and even then, I believe he was honest at first.
Same. It's the favorite line of me and my brother
@@marcocoelhohome That's something I noticed about him at least throughout the Soul Reaver series and Defiance, he never directly lies. Misleads people, yes, be maddingly vague at times, yes, manipulate those around him, yes, omit certain details / information, yes, but he never directly lies as far as I can tell. Regardless of his other traits, I have to give him credit for sticking to his honesty both to others and to himself.
Easily my favorite cutscene in the series. That last Kain line about the coin lives in my head daily.
I tell myself that line when I have a small chance of winning at something
@@MegaYoYo
Well done, Mega Yo-Yo...👏😌
I love the inflection in Kains voice when he’s like “Let drop the Moral posturing, shall we?!”
That line has been making me laugh for years every time I hear it. 😄Kain going from somewhat wistful and weary to incredibly catty just like that.
I do too. It tells you how annoyed he is at Raziel trying to justify his desire for revenge as a sense of justice, particularly given Kain's known what it's like to be used by others even with his own goals.
In my experience the vengeance of others is never out of some delusional concept of justice
It's anger, plain and simple
The joy of having someone's blood on your hands
Many seem to shy away from such concepts of revengr and prefer to hide behind excuses
Such hypocrites
04:18 Kain 😈: "We all know *there's no such act of altruism in this pursuit* yet...!"
04:21 Kain: "Your reckless sense of indignation led you here - and *I counted on it, Raziel* ..."
Amy Hennig is one of the greatest story writers in gaming history. The industry needs to honour her by giving her unlimited money & resources, she's a genius
I loved her work on Uncharted & Last of Us. It wasn’t until I wanted more of her work that I found out she wrote Legacy of Kain
@@MegaYoYo if a sequel will be possible (a big if) after defiance. I wouldn't mind if it will be the finale that Kain now has more choices that would have it's benefits to him and nosgoth and not being rigged again from the start. Although there are key problems for it to make it happen, convince Amy Hennig to make the story, gathering the original voice cast of the characters since the voices are the characters, and finding the voice actor who can fill in the shoes for the elder god since Tony Jay sadly pass. Lastly is finding a studio and publisher that are willing to assist the productions of it and will give amy creative freedom to create the story.
Yet the industry would rather employ Neil Druckmann
@@LordSpleach Gotta give Druckmann the credit he's due... people can now re-release The Last of Us like it's Skyrim lol.
@@bruhurb848 Give him credit? Why do you think she left ND in the first place?
“Spare me your elaborate metaphors, Kain.” -no one in this fan base ever
Can literally anyone in this game speak in anything other than elaborate metaphors?
@@darkoni12398not Kain, that's for sure 😂
01:08; 01:10 - 01:13
says me - this is BS.
Soul Reaver dialogue was great. It was a simple story of revenge told with gravita. Because Raziel had been screwed beyond belief : his wings torn apart,thrown into the abyss where he died/suffered for 500 years (pretty much being burned alive for a vampire) , broken and horribly disfigured just because of the insecurity of a petty monster. He had every reason to walk and talk with heavy theatrical anger, to behave like a tortured byronic anti-hero on a roaring rampage of revenge. And Kain had completely lost touch with his humanity, a corrupt, envious , sadistic, guilt-ridden wretch of his former self, a vampiric Macbeth . It was a simple story very well-told by the opening cinematic, the environment, the music , the slightly purple prose and the theatrical voice acting.
Starting Soul reaver 2 they're retconing this simple story, go into increasingly asinine plot twists (to integrate the appaling lore of BO2 about the hylden) and amp up the theatricality to hide the fact it's becoming completely nonsensical. Like Raziel reaver fighting Raziel sarafan with the soul reaver (which is also supposed to be Raziel ) . They use ornate hollow metaphor to polish a t....
They better had kept it simple. The serie all time high critically and commercially (1.5 million units) was Soul reaver. It never recovered from SR 2 and self-destroyed in nonsensical plot twists and drama by the time of LoK defiance. Sam Barlow wanted to scratch everything past Soul Reaver. Tells volume about the mess they made. A pity.
"Spare me your elaborate metaphors Kain"
"So anyways this is the ineffable fulcrum of our entire history"
This diologue is gold
Wow.
I don't think there's any other game with dialogue this great. Even 25 years later.
it is, it's funny Kain's delivery always reminds me of the Actor, Charles Gray. Gray's monologues in the Hammer classic, The Devil Rides Out Ride, are very much in line with Kain's speech here.
This is why people loved the first two Soul Reavers these games had Shakespearian level writing & dialogue it was incredible for the ps1/ps2 era.
@@3nderoX
Yeah, 3nderoX... Even *for about 25 years since the "Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver" game 🎮 was released* back then...😏
it gives me chills to this very day
this franchise just refused to age in its world/storytelling department
Been waiting for this cutscene, and the algorithm has deemed me worthy on this day
Yes, yes, yes... Truogar: So does this one iconic "Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2" cutscene where *Raziel finds Kain at the Nine Pillars of Nosgoth* here seems to be pretty good enough to you...🤔😏?
@@truogar
...and then, so *does the algorithm has deemed you to be "worthy" on this day* here, Truogar-kun...🤔😏?
Raziel: "Spare me your elaborate metaphors Kain."
Kain: "lol no"
This series is more Timey-Whimy than an entire season of Doctor Who and I love it.
@@Stingmon21
Well said about this comment here, Stingmon #21 🐝
So then, *is the "Legacy of Kain" game series was in fact much more timey-whimy* ⏰⏳ than the *many seasons of "Doctor Who" TV series* 📺 as you said on your comment here by then, Stingmon #21...?
this dialogue is simply eargasm material.
Kinda love this campy-ass vampire/time travel story has an entire cast that's acting their asses off for every scene....
And some great dialogue writing.
I don’t know of another game that has such a grip on players’ attention like this scene alone has. The actors went far above and beyond for this scene.
@ and I gotta wonder if it’d work as purely prose like a book/show/movie? B/c it’s kind of exemplary of every game that had “too many cutscenes,” but I wonder if it could operate at this level without the gameplay breaking it up?
If I’m being honest? I feel like the only time it really hit its stride gameplay-wise was with Defiance, and that kind of stripped away a lot of the exploration in favor of character action.
@@christopheraustin5915
I honestly believe Blood Omen, the first one, at least tome, is the best game gameplay wise in the series.
But I also like Metroidvanias, so I get it is not everyone's cup of tea.
Nothing about it is campy. Stop describing things that have a sense of wonder with negative buzzwords.
the music around this time was wonderous in the original release. And the conversation was years in waiting...finally why did you do what you did? Then the famous coin lands on its edge speech
Probably my favorite dialogue in the series.
They gotta put this stuff in literature classes
Probably some of the best dialogue of any game ever :)
@@jeremy1860
Yeah-hah, Jerry...😏😎
Uuugh... I am so blessed to be having these chills all over again. Bravo, once more, to Simon Templeman and Michael Belle for their amazing work as Kain and Raziel.. This scene was the jewel of LoK Storytelling for so many years..
I'll always think of this scene whenever I hear Templeman. I remember being reminded of it during the mass effect 2 dlc where he voices the scientist who uses his autistic brother to talk to the Geth. You cannot mistake the voice.
1:06 did you all notice that transition from the new model to the older model?
You can change the graphics with the push of a button, even during cutscenes.
Yes. I did so to show off a comparison real quick
@@charlesmaclellan8124 ooh 😮 I didn’t know that. Haven’t bought the game yet. My bad.
@@No-pos-ta-cabron Pre-ordered myself but have yet to dive back in.
I love how, upon first glance, a plot about time traveling vampires sounds so ridicilous.
But then you hear this shakespearean dialogue & voice acting, the music, the atmosphere, how the world itself IS a character...
The actual gameplay in these games might have been hit or miss at times, but everything else has remained *unmatched*
I genuinely can't think of another game franchise that's this captivating storywise.
You Said it all. The narrative was quite ahead of its time and so was the voice acting.
@@hugoruela9226
Well said about this facts, Hugo Ruela-9226 and Filipe Vadas...
The higher quality models push Kain's facial animation a bit into the uncanny valley when he talks, at least for me.
It's the eyes, and the overly disgusted expression he has most of the time. I'm not too happy with either Raziel, Kain and Moebius' remodels to be honest. I still like the original designs way more.
I could listen to these two talk for hours something so satisfying about it
One of the greatest cinematics of all time, everything is perfectly executed.
@@CanarsieGames
Yes, yes, Canarsie Games...😏 For *about 24 years and almost 25 years since it's release* ya...👈😎
I remember a long time ago seeing a trailer of Soul Reaver 1 on my Gex 3 CD and was instantly intrigued by it. A little while later I even saw a copy of the game at a store but the trailer's solemn and bombastic music -- which was called Sanctus Christus -- scared me out of buying it. A decade or so later, with me now in high school, I happened upon a copy of Blood Omen 2 which just so happened to have had a trailer of Soul Reaver 2 -- seriously, remember when games used to promote other games? I didn't even know the 2 were related, yet it immediately sparked memories in my head and made me seek both those games out.
Verily, that single moment of doubt led to one of the biggest regrets of my life, for I could not even comprehend the depth of storytelling and lore that I denied myself that day. Then again, me being a kid and all, I doubt I would've gotten very far on account of its cerebral gameplay and puzzles, nor would I have grasped even a shred of Soul Reaver's depth of story and its flowery, Shakespearean dialogue, which was a major influence on my English vocabulary growing up. For the record, I'm not a native English speaker so that's saying something.
So yeah, on one hand I truly regret having missed out on such a legendary franchise until my teenage years around 2008, by which point the series had entered dormancy...but on the other I am glad I got into it when I did as I now had the maturity to fully appreciate the richness of lore and thought-provoking, thematic depth contained within this series. I guess some things just have to be enjoyed in their own time and when fully ripe.
Legacy of Kain truly is one of a kind and a grand example of games being more than mindless entertainment...and may it serve to this new generation of gamers as an example of what games used to be like when developers were driven by ideas and passion instead of money and worthless clout.
Kain legit looks like a mixutre of Jeepers creepers, Kratos, and Magus from Chrono trigger 😂
They fucked up his chin size, eyes and his skin color. That's why he looks so weird compared to sr2 and defiance kain
"The Pillars of Nosgoth... pristine, whole, and uncorrupted... also in HD
I had never beheld them in this undefiled remastered state"
The texture is the same as the original version
Amy Hennig is a brilliant writer. This remaster is long overdue! But lets not overlook another masterpiece she had a hand in...
...Of course i mean Michael Jordan: Chaos in the Windy City!
Im gonna look this up
The music nof this part is so good
There are people who aren’t thrilled about the remaster even though its good. Its not perfect, hell nothing ever is but at least we got something. Its been 25 years, as fans can we agree that this is a step forward in the right direction. This could be a soulless cash grab but it was made with fan help, and the original stuff from previous years. Any other company would nickel and dime you for the extra content. But everyone can play this without the crappy PC port. The coin landed on its edge.
Now we wait for gen z dialogue version. Skibidi Reave - Legend of Sigma.
Ironic that both Raziel and Kain both have destinies that involve them dying to complete it. Raziel learning that he is the only one who can change time permanently must be a huge weight to bear.
kains destiny was to be the scion of balance he was never meant to die he and raziel are both intertwined they just dont know it yet
@@daemonisedone4256
04:41 Kain 😈: "For *30 years hence: I am presented with a dilemma* ...😯😔"
@@daemonisedone4256
04:47 Kain: "So *let's call it as a 'two-sided coin 💰'* here, shall we?"
@@daemonisedone4256I thought it meant more that Kain was destined to die as a human so Mortaneous would resurrect him as a vampire, but I could be wrong.
@Comkill117 I'm not sure either, but that certainly sounds like a cool interpretation of that line.
there is something about kains face, it just feels a bit off. both original and defiance looks better imo, helped along by the og version of this scene worming its way in sometimes in this video. but thank the pillars regardless that both got a remaster.
Agree. I think they made his facial expression a bit too angry all the time, he emoted more in the originals and it matched the dialogue better.
I find even in the origianl graphics especially in the opening scene in the first Soul reaver he looks off. I htink for me its they way they model his cheeks to fit his fangs in his mouth. Like they are too big for his mouth
Kain's lips are too big. They should be thinner. It's not terrible but off
Nah, it looks great
Facial animations are mocapped for SR2 Kain model, which is a little bit shorter but has much more mellower facial structure and a bit different coloration
Remaster here actually has the Render models (which is actually what it should be).
Yes, the fucked up grimace is a bit too much but let's just call it Aspyr aspiring for the complete following of render materials (SR1 promo art).
But it's just newer model is a bit less emotionless.
6:15 Always loved that part, and I always will. The symbolism in it magic 😑😊🥰
He sound like the Druid from D2
The writing is so good.
Love the jarring switching of sprites
1:07 anyone else see the 3 frames where raziels character model is different and the flag is different too?
Oh I see that was intentional with the toggle button
Ya! I wanted to do a quick comparison
This is the best dialogue in the entire series.
Yes, yes, Maleficios 1987: This is definitely, being *one of the best dialogues in the "Legacy of Kain" game series* to boot...
Raziel model is perfect but Kain models still needs some working, it looks a bit cartoony
It's the Soul Reaver intro movie model. They have access to the original assets and used Kain and Raziel's models from that movie.
The issue is that animations are unchanged from vanilla SR2. Kain still has the skeleton and rig of the original 23 year old model. It ends up looking kinda funky at times, when the animations twist the model in unflattering ways.
@TheKain202 Not only that, but the shading is a little bit odd too, I think if they correct, it'll become better, and his wrinkles are a little bit unnatural too, they should also work a little bit on the wrinkles.
@@DarkShadow-pe6ud OG Kain's textures had the areas around his eyes look like they were in shadow. New kain looks like he's wearing guyliner. Also his muscles are too big. Looks kinda odd.
@dillonhunt1720 yeah, I agree, Kain model needs a little bit of work.
I think it’s the shading on it more than anything that looks off. The model itself is pretty good, but it kinda sticks out from the environment in a weird way.
Cains just pissy cause raziel ascended first lmao.
You’re not wrong
do the models flicer back and forth old and new or is this just comparison?
I wanted to do a quick comparison. R3 snaps between models. The player can do it at anytime.
I hate to see it that they didn't properly restore the PS2 effects, instead using the lackluster PC version for the remaster.
Theirs a PC version of Soul Reaver 2? Oh I gotta look this up
@@MegaYoYo There always was. However it has missing visual effects from the PS2 version and worse quality sound, as was the case with many PS2 to PC ports...
They make kain look ugly when he's beautiful.
The writing alone made me wanna play this.
The writing is top notch! Beats most cinema/game writing
It’s really good.
I cannot get over how good Kain looks
Why did Kain return to this point when Ariel was murdered. Why not go back to when the Hylien Lord tried to take over Mortanius and kill the Hylien Lord? That way Kain can stop this from ever happening. Kain's so far in Moebius' net. NOONE is the Master of Time, only Moebius. He is the Timestreamer afterall.
It's later stated that in order to truely change the past from It's fixed path, the twin soul reavers must be present (the physical one and Raziel's spectral version) as It's paradoxical existence renders the timeline maleable, this is also the retroactive explanation of how Kain changed William the Just's destiny in Blood Omen, as both weilded their Soul reavers at same time.
Thus in order to truely prevent Ariel's assasination it would require Raziel's willing collaboration and for Mobius to allow them passage to the right moment, not to mention, Kain would probably still prefer the whole sequence of events to happen since that was what lead Mortanius to turn him into a Vampire in the first place.
Badass, but god ***damn*** the music is blowing out the dialogue.
Good lord, I could listen to them just talk for hours. Lol
Kain's reaction at 3:10 is priceless 🤦♂️
03:12
03:18 Kain: "At the *very moment of my first cry, Ariel's beloved - the Guardian Nupraptor - finds her dead corpse* ...💀⚰️"
If you're wondering why the upgrade isn't substantial it's probably because the cost wasn't worth it. Clearly seen with the sales.
Are the model changes bugs in the remaster?
no you can do it at will with R3
@MegaYoYo thanks
Why does the graphics switch from old to new? Is this intentional or a bug?
I do it intentionally to compare. It's a feature the player can do whenever
@ ah ok thanks for answering. I just thoughht it would be really stupid if the game had a problem to consistently present the remastered graphics. That this is a feature is kind of cool actually.
If Kain died as a human and was made into a vampire, should that not have cleansed the balance pillar? Or did it require his to be cleansed last?
I think because his soul never received peace he wasn't truly "dead" and a new balance guardian cannot be made
Kains line starting from "Let's drop the moral posturing, shall we." Has always been my favorite in the entire series.
It always felt lime the most eloquent way to call somebody out on their bs.
:HATE ME...BUT DO IT HONESTLY. That has stuck with me since I first heard him say it.
You figure the next gen consoles would be able to keep the remaster models up on a consistent and effortless pace for a PS2 game
Are to talking about the model switching or frame rate?
@ The models switching.
@@KingNazaru ah that’s me. You can switch models at anytime. U do it to compare models
@ I see
I don't know why they remade Kain's face like that. It's the lips. Makes him look weird.
It's his chin. It's too wide compared to his forehead
OMG! I love it.
I knew I liked you for a reason. You got good taste.
The music is a bit too loud
Ok, so this is just a nitpick, but they really didn't do the eyes well on Kain and Vorador. There are times where they look like they have a lazy eye, other times they go cross eyed. The eyes did not get the same updated treatment that the models got. The models got bigger, but the directions the eyes looked remained constant, so the eyes are off center in a lot of shots.
That’s explains a lot
The remake has horrible face coordination, I see Kain eyes bugging out of focus and his mouth contorted unrealistically 😢
Can some English speaking native help me with understanding "Why condemn me for simply carrying out what you hadn't the courage to do yourself?" I'm lost about that "why condemn me" part... Because for me it could be interpreted as "did you have me thrown into the abyss just so I could kill you?" or condemn in this case means more like "why do you judge (or criticize) me... for carrying out what you hadn't the courage to do yourself" when I try to translate it to my native it could be both, but both means something different... All help apreciated in advance
In blood Omen Kain was meant to sacrifice his life to restore balance, he refuses this sacrifice and thus dooms Nosgoth to ruin and decay
So he condemns Raziel by sacrificing him to the void because he found a third option to restore the world through him while staying Alive
Its a crazy game of chess
In this specific instance, it leans more towards your second interpretation, that is "condemn" in the sense of judge and criticize. Basically Raziel is saying that Kain's death is long overdue for the benefit of the entire world, that he was a coward to refuse the sacrifice way back in that fateful day and that he shouldn't be judged for carrying out what was otherwise a "righteous killing for the good of the world".
Kain retorts that Raziel is being disingenuous, and that it isn't truly righteousness that drives him (killing Kain to save the world) but rather his own personal indignation (desire for revenge after what Kain did to him). Kain more or less tells him not to pretend, and that it is ok if he hates him for that, it's understandable, but that lying to himself and to others about it is beneath him.
Compare it to how he simply, and very negatively, refers to Moebius's web of lies and manipulations and how he also advised Raziel to avoid it. It is overall consistent with Kain wanting Raziel to truly exercise his free will, and also maybe that he overall appreciates Raziel to a degree he wasn't willing to show before.
It's the judgement interpretation. "Condemn" can be used to mean "harshly criticize" or "attribute moral wrongdoing".
@@TheRatzorhow kain knew raziel could save the world and if so why he did not tell him what he must do
How does raziel talk without lips and a tongue ?
Um, you do know he's dead right? Physical body properties are irrelevant as he's now a wraith. It's his soul that's communicating.
Very supple vocal cords.
Good, vanqrillaqiusm
I believe Telepathically?
As much as I like the majority of the upgraded / remastered graphics, something about Kain's facial expressions / features here don't feel right. It's like he's always snarling, instead of being contemplative. I think Kain's original artwork was better in this instance.
it's a shame the new character model expressions seem so downplayed compared the original. you can toggle to the old S2 graphics and notice while the models do look more dated, their expressions are a lot better
What the hell happened t Kain, he looks dopey as hell lol, and his right eye wanders noticeably. It happened on the original model too a little, but it's really bad on this new one lol
The best written conversation in gaming's history! Nothing in modern gaming can even hold a candle to this! Especially the likes of Dragon Age Wokeguard and the Last Wankers of Us 2 😂😂😂
Can you show Raziel meeting Janos please? 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Working through it but yes I'll post it
@MegaYoYo yaaay, thank you 🥺🥺
Ben Starr doing fandub of this scene as Raziel or Kain on Twitter will be epic
Kain's chin looks terrible, hope they'll redesign it
To me, the problem seems to be present in both the old and new versions; it's that his jaw doesn't actually move, only his mouth and chin, which creates a very uncanny effect. That plus the redesigned mouth has been put into the perpetual sneer that he has in the opening cinematic of the first Soul Reaver game, which feels very unnatural to look at as a default expression.
I love this scene, but I dont like too much the mouth of kain remastered, I prefer the old model.
The game looks better than the original one, but I'm not supporting digital games. I would rather play my original one.
Is this digital only? No hard copies sold?
@@K3V1N117 No physical. At least not yet.
Compare this exquisite vocabulary with DA: Veilguard's nonsense.
Oof the music is bad
Remastered models have zero facial expression
I disagree on the other end of the spectrum. They have too much facial expression at time.
3 seconds in and you can tell this remaster was done with the bare minimum of effort - character animations haven't been updated in any way, dialogue audio completely untouched, as flat as it was in the original.
Excellent scene but this remaster looks pretty bad all told.
Yeah seems kinda pointless as remasters go, so many things still look very rough
SR1 definitely needed it, and I think the upscaled textures and new character models look good for that. But transplanting the animations to the newer models for SR2 was not a great idea (I reserve judgement over the textures, though I had noticed some that were essentially untouched). I especially hate poop-Moebius, the remaster model somehow is way more difficult to read emotions from. In my mind, the remaster was only really meant for SR1, then SR2 was tacked on so people could continue after the relatively limp cliffhanger of the first.
Is it just me or do the faces outside of Raziels just look...bad
Especially the lipsynching it just looks worse than the original SR2
Why would someone put a watermark on a recording from a game?
Kinda pathetic.
Tell me you’ve never had your work stolen without telling me
0:06 - 0:14
Raziel: " *These Nine Pillars of Nosgoth* ...🏛️ *Pristine, whole and it's uncorrupted* for ever since... And yet, *I had never beheld nine of them* in *this immaculate and very undefiled state* like this here..."
0:18 Raziel: "...yet *there's something profound and indelible* in which resonated within my eyes at the sight of it...👀"
looks soulless compared to the old version
WHY THE FK YOU KEEP CHANGING THE GRAPHICS IN THIS VIDEO? 😕
Ez bro chill
I loved this game but man, the music sucks!
They can't even fix a bug kains model changes mid cut scene 😂
Thats not a bug. You can change models mid-cutscene with R3.