Great video, thanks! And I have to say, I like that you also show some "ugly" stuff like the birds eating the trash. Most TH-camrs would avoid that and not saying anything about it. But you point your finger at it. I like that!
I use the pre-burst mode on my Canon R7, and I have been pleased with the results in exactly this setting. With the frame rate "limited" to a mere 30 fps, it lags your G9 II, but realistically accomodates the R7's buffer constraints. A wonderful feature that deserves to be more widely used. So please keep showcasing it!
Well done video. I especially liked your entrance:) Nice to see you using a Lumix G9 again. I hope it continues to impress you though I wouldn't expect you to switch from full-frame. I look forward to all your future videos, especially those with MFT content.
Haha thank you! :) Yea it was a nice full circle moment coming back to the G9 line from my early years :) Unfortunately I don't know if I'll ever be able to give up full frame, but this camera for sure was awesome! Glad you enjoyed.
Thanks for taking it out in the field and showing examples. Gives a good idea of what the camera can do! BTW, the bird at ~4:00 looks to be a Yellow Warbler, not an Orange-crowned. Take a look at the subtle white eye-ring and the lack of a supercillium.
I think you're right, great catch! I didn't even second guess it tbh cause it's much harder to see Yellow Warblers around that type of habitat where I live rather than Orange Crowned and they almost look identical when juvenile. Thanks for catching that.
Hey, I also capture missed action shots a lot, but not exactly in the same way. I just miss the action shots 😂 More seriously though, that's about exactly how I also use pre-burst mode on my R7. Wait for the bird to take off and fire off as soon as it does. So far I've gotten a few amazing shots of red wing black birds (they are definitely overall the easiest subjects I've experimented with for preburst imo), and a few decent shots of blue jays, robins, nuthatches and chickadees in flight. I'm still after a similar shot of a dawny or hairy woodpecker (we dont have that species here). So it's really nice to see you nailed one like that in your second outing, that's *exactly* the type of shot I'm still after! Good job! Actually I've thought about this, one of my absolute bucket list shots would be a northern flicker spread out in flight, showing off those goergous yellow feathers. That would be soo awesome! I'm really impressed with what you're able to pull off with this G9ii. Video footage looks extremely good, stable, punchy and well in focus. Easier said than done! We discussed the R7's pre-burst earlier and yeah, looks like Panasonic's implentation is just miles better. I wonder what the readout speed on the G9ii is, but I can say the R7, at 31ish ms, really ruins these exact type of shots a lot. It's so weird to me that companies don't list readout speed as a basic spec btw. Guess we'll know once third party reviewers test it. The warping is so bad in fact that I've just about fully given up on pretty much anything smaller than a Robin with it at this point, on take-offs that is. More and more, I've found that preburst actually yields cleaner results and higher keeper rates on landing, as they are usually slowing down to land, so its much easier on the sensor and AF. Kinda like you did with that one vermillion catcher vid, but with AF and preburst (so, in easy mode essentially lol). Mostly works on feeders though and much harder to set up the shots in the field obviously. I wanna share one thing I've thought long and hard about, hear me out: I love APSC and barely never feel held back by it. But, exactly what you were doing in that vid (takeoffs with preburst), is like the 10% of the time where I really feel like FF would REALLY help no matter what. Since when you are doing this (preburst takeoffs), it's technically BIF, but it's so different than what we regularly call BIF (big bird, already in the sky, slowly panning, you get the point). It's nearly impossible to keep the subject in a frame for more than a few meters except if you zoom out and go on the safer side, which definitely sacrifices IQ. At least, I just can't. Its mostly because you never know when it will indeed takeoff (It's literally why we need preburst in the first place), whereas in normal BIF you kind of ease into it and keep panning along. Idk of anyone who could "perfectly" fill up the frame with a chickadee and follow it *after* a takeoff for more than a few meters, it just seems beyond humanly possible to me lol. But, with FF, you'd litteraly have a bigger/wider "net" to catch the bird, making things much easier and giving you a few more frames before it goes out of frame. And with some birds, the best poses are precisely those, since usually they propel themselves forward before spreading out their wings! So yeah, imo, even if FF is overkill for most situations with birds (unless you have a super big white prime and a 2x maybe, or those few rare times you can indeed get close enough to fill up the frame completely with the subject), on like 4-600mm true focal length, I'd honestly feel like a FF *would* truly help. Whereas most time, FF is just wasted pixels. Idk if you understand haha, obviously you still dont *need* it, proof in the vid, you still nailed in in MFT, so hey, definitely doable, but I just feel like when going for these types of shots, you can't say it wouldn't be wasted sensor space, whereas for stills, on FF yeah you often get way too much than you need. In other words, on crop bodies, you can't crop as much, but it doesn't matter because you'd be cropping anyway, you can just get the proper composition anyway. Whereas for these preburst takeoffs, since you can't track for long, a bigger image circle really does help, since you "have to" catch wider and recompose later anyway. Or git gud (jk) On R7 and sigma 150-600, preburst shots like these are one of the rare times I definitely feel the "need" to zoom out, I guess that's why I'm saying that. Also sometimes I see the stuff people manage to snap with the R3 (especially those types of action shots) and sincerely just wonder if that's even possible with my camera, or if it's a biased results because pros are pros and they just so happen to be using R3 but would manage just fine on R7 😅 I am on fire with the rambles today. Anyway, fantastic vid, great production value, narration, footage and all that. Cheers!
Thank you!! And man how I wish I could go back to that Vermilion Flycatcher video now with pre-burst. It would be a game changer and make my life so much easier haha 😂 and yea in regards to the readout speed it literally has to be at least 13ms or less due to the fps capabilities of the electronic shutter, so Panasonic didn’t get me a specific number under that in the briefing but it has to be that at the minimum which is decent. Looks like the person above commented may have seen something I’m not aware of yet. And thoughtful ramble 😂 thanks for sharing! I definitely can see the value in that in a full frame pre-burst context and I think that’s insightful. I’d agree with all you just said, and I’d also tack on that FF is still incredibly useful for sake of low light as we talked about, and for sake of a more shallow depth of field (which depending on your style, use case can be very important). Thanks for sharing that though! I hadn’t considered pre-burst on FF in the way you have, hopefully I’ll get to test that out someday in the next Panasonic 😎
Slight amounts yes, but mostly just fast panning scenarios, I’d say it was minor enough to not be noticeable in those pre-burst scenarios. The readout speed has to be under 13ms due to electronic shutter FPS speed and I’m not sure of any official tests measuring it yet
Great overview of the function. I am planning to buy this camera but I am a bit concerned about how the burst modes are implemented. I mean that there is physical dial to engage Type II burst (SH modes) but to adjust framerates of that mode you always have to dive deep into the menu to change framerate or to switch between burst and pre-burst. I want to save all the custom settings (only 3 sadly) from mode wheel to video functions as this would be mostly my video camera so I wonder if you can customize the camera somehow to qickly change parameters of burst modes.
Glad they kept the pre burst feature. I still can't for the life of me figure out why they don't have that feature for the S5II. At any rate, some real decisions to make about a new MFT body (when I'm finished with my student loans in a couple months).
Haha good luck 😂 and yea, I wish they had it there too but I think they wanted to do it right before they just threw it back in again. I am pretty confident their next FF camera will be a good one!
The image quality of your photos in this video look typical of a MFT sensor, that is to say, mediocre. Especially in low light or shadow. I loved using my G9 years ago, but I was so happy to move on to FF with my S5II. But hopefully the updates with autofocus subject recognition on the G9II will soon apply to the S5II.
Agreed! It’s still not quite the same in low light especially, but definitely an upgrade from that original G9. I hope the same for the S5II firmware 🙌🏻
@@JeremyNeipp Thank you for that. I love my Olympus 300 & 100-400 with OM-1 for hiking, so having a 2nd "light" body option in contrast to my Z9 and heavy Nikon long lenses for "stationary work" is a GOOD thing!
I wish Sony would release something like A6900 with 20 fps, Stacked Sensor and pre-burst capture.. Probably won't ever happen. They didn't even put it into A7RV, lol.
@@JeremyNeipp I think they will keep Stacked Sensors only for A1 and A9. Pre-burst could be added, but at first for new full frame cameras and those flagships (again A1 mark II & A9 mark III). And we can forget about 20 fps for anything below A1 & A9. A7-V can change it or A7R-VI but it will be no sooner than 2025??? :) I don't believe Sony don't know what other companies like Canon or Nikon are going to release.. They know very well..
It is vastly upgraded from that old pre-burst on the G9. Even when talking with Panasonic in person they referred to it as "new" because of this. It can capture more FPS and can do so at higher even with AF-C on which the old one was limited in. It also can backlog up to 1.5 seconds back vs only 0.4 in the old G9 and it continues to take bursted photos as long as you hold it after where as the old G9 only can do 0.8 seconds post-shutter click. And more importantly the buffer can handle these types of fps shots now on the G9II where as the old one couldn't. So in many aspects, this pre-burst function is fully revamped and "new" according to Panasonic.
Great video, thanks! And I have to say, I like that you also show some "ugly" stuff like the birds eating the trash. Most TH-camrs would avoid that and not saying anything about it. But you point your finger at it. I like that!
Glad it meant something! Normally my tendency is to avoid it too, but I felt like it was important to put in this video so I followed my gut on it.
I use the pre-burst mode on my Canon R7, and I have been pleased with the results in exactly this setting. With the frame rate "limited" to a mere 30 fps, it lags your G9 II, but realistically accomodates the R7's buffer constraints. A wonderful feature that deserves to be more widely used. So please keep showcasing it!
Awesome! Glad you found it valuable ☺️ I definitely have a new love for this feature and plan on getting more into it
Wild looks like a really fun camera. Happy to see story videos like this happening more often!
It really is! Very easy and low key to take out and just works. More story vids coming ☺️🙌🏻
Well done video. I especially liked your entrance:) Nice to see you using a Lumix G9 again. I hope it continues to impress you though I wouldn't expect you to switch from full-frame. I look forward to all your future videos, especially those with MFT content.
Haha thank you! :) Yea it was a nice full circle moment coming back to the G9 line from my early years :) Unfortunately I don't know if I'll ever be able to give up full frame, but this camera for sure was awesome! Glad you enjoyed.
Thanks for taking it out in the field and showing examples. Gives a good idea of what the camera can do! BTW, the bird at ~4:00 looks to be a Yellow Warbler, not an Orange-crowned. Take a look at the subtle white eye-ring and the lack of a supercillium.
I think you're right, great catch! I didn't even second guess it tbh cause it's much harder to see Yellow Warblers around that type of habitat where I live rather than Orange Crowned and they almost look identical when juvenile. Thanks for catching that.
Hey, I also capture missed action shots a lot, but not exactly in the same way. I just miss the action shots 😂
More seriously though, that's about exactly how I also use pre-burst mode on my R7. Wait for the bird to take off and fire off as soon as it does.
So far I've gotten a few amazing shots of red wing black birds (they are definitely overall the easiest subjects I've experimented with for preburst imo), and a few decent shots of blue jays, robins, nuthatches and chickadees in flight. I'm still after a similar shot of a dawny or hairy woodpecker (we dont have that species here). So it's really nice to see you nailed one like that in your second outing, that's *exactly* the type of shot I'm still after! Good job!
Actually I've thought about this, one of my absolute bucket list shots would be a northern flicker spread out in flight, showing off those goergous yellow feathers. That would be soo awesome!
I'm really impressed with what you're able to pull off with this G9ii. Video footage looks extremely good, stable, punchy and well in focus. Easier said than done!
We discussed the R7's pre-burst earlier and yeah, looks like Panasonic's implentation is just miles better.
I wonder what the readout speed on the G9ii is, but I can say the R7, at 31ish ms, really ruins these exact type of shots a lot. It's so weird to me that companies don't list readout speed as a basic spec btw. Guess we'll know once third party reviewers test it.
The warping is so bad in fact that I've just about fully given up on pretty much anything smaller than a Robin with it at this point, on take-offs that is. More and more, I've found that preburst actually yields cleaner results and higher keeper rates on landing, as they are usually slowing down to land, so its much easier on the sensor and AF. Kinda like you did with that one vermillion catcher vid, but with AF and preburst (so, in easy mode essentially lol). Mostly works on feeders though and much harder to set up the shots in the field obviously.
I wanna share one thing I've thought long and hard about, hear me out: I love APSC and barely never feel held back by it. But, exactly what you were doing in that vid (takeoffs with preburst), is like the 10% of the time where I really feel like FF would REALLY help no matter what.
Since when you are doing this (preburst takeoffs), it's technically BIF, but it's so different than what we regularly call BIF (big bird, already in the sky, slowly panning, you get the point).
It's nearly impossible to keep the subject in a frame for more than a few meters except if you zoom out and go on the safer side, which definitely sacrifices IQ. At least, I just can't. Its mostly because you never know when it will indeed takeoff (It's literally why we need preburst in the first place), whereas in normal BIF you kind of ease into it and keep panning along.
Idk of anyone who could "perfectly" fill up the frame with a chickadee and follow it *after* a takeoff for more than a few meters, it just seems beyond humanly possible to me lol. But, with FF, you'd litteraly have a bigger/wider "net" to catch the bird, making things much easier and giving you a few more frames before it goes out of frame. And with some birds, the best poses are precisely those, since usually they propel themselves forward before spreading out their wings!
So yeah, imo, even if FF is overkill for most situations with birds (unless you have a super big white prime and a 2x maybe, or those few rare times you can indeed get close enough to fill up the frame completely with the subject), on like 4-600mm true focal length, I'd honestly feel like a FF *would* truly help. Whereas most time, FF is just wasted pixels.
Idk if you understand haha, obviously you still dont *need* it, proof in the vid, you still nailed in in MFT, so hey, definitely doable, but I just feel like when going for these types of shots, you can't say it wouldn't be wasted sensor space, whereas for stills, on FF yeah you often get way too much than you need.
In other words, on crop bodies, you can't crop as much, but it doesn't matter because you'd be cropping anyway, you can just get the proper composition anyway. Whereas for these preburst takeoffs, since you can't track for long, a bigger image circle really does help, since you "have to" catch wider and recompose later anyway.
Or git gud (jk)
On R7 and sigma 150-600, preburst shots like these are one of the rare times I definitely feel the "need" to zoom out, I guess that's why I'm saying that. Also sometimes I see the stuff people manage to snap with the R3 (especially those types of action shots) and sincerely just wonder if that's even possible with my camera, or if it's a biased results because pros are pros and they just so happen to be using R3 but would manage just fine on R7 😅
I am on fire with the rambles today. Anyway, fantastic vid, great production value, narration, footage and all that. Cheers!
The readout speed of the G9II is about 12ms
Thank you!! And man how I wish I could go back to that Vermilion Flycatcher video now with pre-burst. It would be a game changer and make my life so much easier haha 😂 and yea in regards to the readout speed it literally has to be at least 13ms or less due to the fps capabilities of the electronic shutter, so Panasonic didn’t get me a specific number under that in the briefing but it has to be that at the minimum which is decent. Looks like the person above commented may have seen something I’m not aware of yet.
And thoughtful ramble 😂 thanks for sharing! I definitely can see the value in that in a full frame pre-burst context and I think that’s insightful. I’d agree with all you just said, and I’d also tack on that FF is still incredibly useful for sake of low light as we talked about, and for sake of a more shallow depth of field (which depending on your style, use case can be very important).
Thanks for sharing that though! I hadn’t considered pre-burst on FF in the way you have, hopefully I’ll get to test that out someday in the next Panasonic 😎
Thanks for also including the parts where the focus does not fully work. This is important to know.
100% 🙌🏻
Great video Jeremy! Can you try using an SSD to clear the buffer faster after a long burst?
Thank you! I might make a follow up video with some other features I didn't test or discuss yet... and if I do I'll definitely consider doing this!
This has just been tested by Richard Wong. The SSD cleared the buffer significantly faster than using a high speed SD 👍🏻
Awesome video. Did you notice any rolling shutter with the camera?
Slight amounts yes, but mostly just fast panning scenarios, I’d say it was minor enough to not be noticeable in those pre-burst scenarios. The readout speed has to be under 13ms due to electronic shutter FPS speed and I’m not sure of any official tests measuring it yet
Hi, is the Viewfinder flickerfree at 60 Frames/Second?
No it’s not!
Great overview of the function. I am planning to buy this camera but I am a bit concerned about how the burst modes are implemented. I mean that there is physical dial to engage Type II burst (SH modes) but to adjust framerates of that mode you always have to dive deep into the menu to change framerate or to switch between burst and pre-burst. I want to save all the custom settings (only 3 sadly) from mode wheel to video functions as this would be mostly my video camera so I wonder if you can customize the camera somehow to qickly change parameters of burst modes.
The IBIS is shockingly good on the Grackle footage around 3 minutes. Do you recall if this was at 400mm? (800 equivalent)
I agree!! Yes it was shot at 400mm MFT (800mm FF Equiv.) there.
Awesome video
Interesting video. Didn't realize how much work needs to be done to take a good shots of specific birds)
Glad you enjoyed!
Glad they kept the pre burst feature. I still can't for the life of me figure out why they don't have that feature for the S5II. At any rate, some real decisions to make about a new MFT body (when I'm finished with my student loans in a couple months).
Haha good luck 😂 and yea, I wish they had it there too but I think they wanted to do it right before they just threw it back in again. I am pretty confident their next FF camera will be a good one!
Have you done a video on comparing the Olympus OM-1 to the Panasonic G9ii ?
I haven't, but I'm considering doing it!
@@JeremyNeippPlease do it as there are not much comparisons out yet.
PreBurst gives you jpg‘s, right?
Not on this G9II, it can give you full RAW as well
Amazing
The image quality of your photos in this video look typical of a MFT sensor, that is to say, mediocre. Especially in low light or shadow. I loved using my G9 years ago, but I was so happy to move on to FF with my S5II. But hopefully the updates with autofocus subject recognition on the G9II will soon apply to the S5II.
Agreed! It’s still not quite the same in low light especially, but definitely an upgrade from that original G9. I hope the same for the S5II firmware 🙌🏻
I'm hoping for S5II preburst to be added via firmware. Even 0.5 seconds worth 🤞🏻
Nice one Jeremy. Shame about all that trash in the park.
Thank you! Yea it really is a bummer, that place had gotten worse over the past 5 years 💩
thanks for the video, but what do you think if you compare AF-C it with OM system 1
I'd recommend checking out my full in-detail review I did on the G9II for that, but personally, I think the G9II wins by a little bit
@@JeremyNeipp Thank you for that. I love my Olympus 300 & 100-400 with OM-1 for hiking, so having a 2nd "light" body option in contrast to my Z9 and heavy Nikon long lenses for "stationary work" is a GOOD thing!
I wish Sony would release something like A6900 with 20 fps, Stacked Sensor and pre-burst capture..
Probably won't ever happen. They didn't even put it into A7RV, lol.
Sony is pretty stuck in their ways sometimes, so we will see haha.
@@JeremyNeipp I think they will keep Stacked Sensors only for A1 and A9.
Pre-burst could be added, but at first for new full frame cameras and those flagships (again A1 mark II & A9 mark III).
And we can forget about 20 fps for anything below A1 & A9.
A7-V can change it or A7R-VI but it will be no sooner than 2025??? :)
I don't believe Sony don't know what other companies like Canon or Nikon are going to release.. They know very well..
why so much attention to pre burst when G9 had it 5 years ago, it's not new
It is vastly upgraded from that old pre-burst on the G9. Even when talking with Panasonic in person they referred to it as "new" because of this. It can capture more FPS and can do so at higher even with AF-C on which the old one was limited in. It also can backlog up to 1.5 seconds back vs only 0.4 in the old G9 and it continues to take bursted photos as long as you hold it after where as the old G9 only can do 0.8 seconds post-shutter click. And more importantly the buffer can handle these types of fps shots now on the G9II where as the old one couldn't. So in many aspects, this pre-burst function is fully revamped and "new" according to Panasonic.
Probably because a lot of viewers aren't familiar with the original G9. Many of them are using cameras which don't have such functionality.
thanks for the explanation