Warwick Davis deserves better. Willow was his one character where he didn't have to put on a fur suit or a rubber mask. Now I doubt he'll ever get to play the character again. Such a crying shame.
The funniest part of the Willow series is that George Lucas actually wrote sequel books to the movie the first was Shadow Moon. They had a written series and threw it in the trash.
Condolences for Warwick Davis recently losing his wife in March. It's a bit off-topic but having a bad show followed by the loss of a significant has to be a blow. 🙏
Hunh. Who would've thought that turning an 80s fantasy adventure into a YA lesbian romance aimed at Modern Audiences would make them lose money??? Incidentally, those 2 crowbarred-in lesbians were so annoying (and badly acted) that when the one fan group I saw for the show (on reddit) did a poll for fave characters, those 2 were at the bottom.
He still mourns the loss of the Willow show, lol. Once in a while he tweets to Warwick Davis about what a travesty it was that it didn't get a season 2.
Writer's rooms should be dismantled. Once you have more than 2 or 3 people bouncing ideas off each other you have enough people to form cliques, enough people to virtue signal in front of the group and enough people to go along with the corporate mandates coming down from above.
It takes about 40 people to do that but generally, a larger writer room is more inefficient and more discoherent. If you need 6 writers, something has gone off the rails.
@@Lostouillethey are afraid to due to legitimate risk of career destruction. The nonbinary transracial activitst cannot be told "no" ever. They are just waiting to get the old pale and stale writer fired for anything at all, so everyone gives the activists whatever they want.
This show deserved to get slapped down if only to send a message. When you hijack a property to shove an agenda down everyone's throats you deserve to fail. No one came to see a show called "Willow" to see a Lesbian love story. I LOVE the movie and steered far af away from this abomination. I swear these things only get the greenlight because studios see them as a vehicle to force "the message". How many franchises have to get taken out behind the shed and put down because the studios just have to shout the message. Sick to death of it.
@@charleighh.990 It must be. The producers of Peaky Blinders made 36 episodes for less than $100 million and the costumes and everything else looked excellent.
I'm a fan of the original movie even bought the blu-ray and excellent soundtrack by the late James Horner. It was a fun lighthearted fantasy adventure. But the series is just awful in every department with its weak storytelling, mediocre CW type performance from the cast, the out of place songs and forgettable score. I saw a lot of people defending the series on social media but it's always for the wrong reason justifying the LGBTQ romance and diverse representation as the main reason why series is great. I'm glad this series is delisted from Disney + so I can pretend this little mishap doesn't exist.
That is the problem with modern progressive, they will accept to eat a turd sandwich as long as it fills the right boxes. This is exacly what is killing so many franchises. Like Star Trek, i started over the first episode of the new season of Discovery 3 times and can't pass the first 5min because it does feel or look star trek. Starts off like, ohhh look at us doing this crazy dangerous thing yet again. Like if this was Killjoy tv show. The only reason i managed to watch to previous season was because of Michelle Yeoh, she had horrible lines, but manage to make them work. The Constant breaking down of characters every 5-10min drama was annoying. They have changed so much of the lore, especially to fit LGBTQ stuff in it was also annoying. Oh the first trans Trill. Oh, symbiont Trill that can only survive in host that are Trill, that had special training and were exclusively of the race of Trill. That then only a small percentage can become it. Well this human girl got it and survived the procedure, because the symbiont Trill, it wanted her, that is why... Telling me this race that has been doing this for i don't know how many thousands of years, never thought of asking the symbiont trill what it wanted????? Then after that, you had your typical pronoun lecture, i'm They/Them. Next scene after that was confusing af, because you had no idea, if they were talking about her, or teens in general...
I find it hard to believe that Willow cost the same as over TEN Godzilla Minus Ones. Personally if I was in management and saw the cost of Willow I would be calling 3rd party accountants to investigate embezzlement and then the police. I still remember Farscape when it came out being only $1 mil an ep and that was record breaking back in 99 but spending $26 mil an ep today doesn't match inflation which would be around $2 mil an ep. If I was getting over paid by 10x per ep I'd want to get a Season 2 as well.
You mean for Star Wars? Yeah, that would've been great if they did it back in the early 90's, but they missed the chance. They waited too long and all the original actors were too old for that story arc. As for Willow, it would've been better if they did the George Lucas/Chris Claremont books. Spoiler: They kill off most of the old characters in the beginning and then flash forward to Willow being a depressed and bitter old man. That's something they could've done even today.
@@skyknight0408they could've de-aged or recast them to be honest. Can always use the original cast for the later stories. Sure de-aging would have cost a lot but the fans would have turned out and the franchise would be strong.
Yeah, and I never got the argument some tried to make that Disney didn't do that because they didn't want to pay rights to the creators, but not only would that depend on what deals are in place, but with what they spent on Force Awakens and the sequel trilogy in general, whatever rights they would've paid would've been a drop in the bucket. Plus they still used Thrawn in Rebels and Ahsoka anyway.
But this isn't the first time we have noted that Disney spending hundreds of millions of dollars on an 8 episode streaming show, does not appear to show up on screen. Remember She-Hulk? Boba Fett and Obi Wan? Echo? Where is this money going? Or better yet did it ever exist in the first place, or is this just fake accounting in order to prop something up? There is something weird in all of this. As a comparison Godzilla Minus One cost $30 Million dollars.
@@Shooter-The-Emu-With-A-Gun Well no. But we do actually know what the $30,000 hammers and $50,000 toilet seats are. It’s how they hide the Top Secret Black programs in the budget.
@@Shooter-The-Emu-With-A-GunIf they are like some of the questionable charities that spent most of their donations on their offices and other amenities. Are you listening Ed ,Sayles?
Disney has ALWAYS done that. Even the classics are typically based on stories in public domain and folklore. Disney himself altered these stories but did it to attract, not scare away the audience.
With the exception of the prologue, the action always follows Willow. Madmartigan goes off-camera on his own several times, and usually to do bad things we don't get to see. =P He's a top-notch character, though. Manages to be the action hero, the comic relief, and the romance interest all at once, and his redemption arc is an excellent one.
@@jalpat2272 If i had to bs my self into saying i can, i would start by making a similar story that continues the original story, use puppetry and stop motion animation for CGI and use actors that becomes popular not long after this movie that could fit the role. But then again I'm just guessing without really thinking.
Friends cost $10 million an episode at 30 mins (including ads and credits) for 234 episodes at 20-30 million viewers per season. If you want to throw inflation, then it's about $16.53 million per at 2024, and it's mostly because the actors and actresses are worth that chunk. Willow is $18.75 million per episode and doubt it has even a tenth of Friends viewership.
so let me get this right: they spent around 19 million an episode are they brain dead what the heck man talk about just throwing money away what else have they lied to investors about.
If Disney had followed the books, this series would have had potential. Disney had to rewrite it and add their agendas, and ruined the stories George Lucas and Chris Claremont wrote. God knows they couldn't make George look good! Shadow Moon, Shadow Dawn, Shadow Star.
Almost $20 mil an episode with Willow, $15 mil for Kenobi, $25 mil for She-Hulk (which cost more than some episodes of GoT Season 8!), and still Disney doesn't learn! Even though every one of their films bombed last year (GotG vol 3 did from a pure theatrical stand point), they STILL don't learn! Hopefully the shareholders will wake up and hold Disney accountable, but I doubt that will happen any time soon...
I know that Warrick really wanted this sequel to happen, but he should have went with someone else to write and produce it. In that, he needs to own up to his part of this failure and not entirely on Disney. And that's a damn shame because he is a fan favorite.
@@Xaforn Gundams creator Yoshiyuki Tomino warned Japanese studios against emulating Disney's boring digital product system recently. There's that and bastardization of translations from CR and Funimation causing the creators to lose money and having to fix and reprint manga. In turn because what happened japanese studios are using ai for both VA and manga translations.
When it was pulled 5 people on Twitter made an irate tweet. The core issue this particular show highlights is the lack of demand for the new modern audience drek. The original willow was a cult hit. As in it had a small dedicated audience that watched it, kept the memory alive to be ready in 2022 to demand something new. The problem with the tiny minority audience this incarnation found is that physical media does not exist. 2022 willow is erased off the servers at Disney and the tax write off means it is permanent. This means there can not ever be a cult following for the crap. This is the way with a lot of this stuff. Nobody watched it. It torched a whole pile of money joker style. There is no possibility of it creating that same demand for more the original did.
We know Disney hasn't recouped their money for Star Wars. We now know Disney has lost $150 Million dollars on Willow. Now.... I want to know how much money they really lost on Echo, She-Hulk and The Marvels. Also, we already got an American Graffiti series. It was called "Happy Days." XD
So it just seems like they've been overspending on literally everything, hiding the numbers later to lie about it to the shareholders when in reality the shows and movies were a lot more expensive and less profitable than they thought they were.
I hope Blackrock continues to lose millions more alongside Disney. This will nuke these two entities faster instead of dragging this crap on for years.
I was excited when Willow was announced . I was kid when the original came out and loved it. I read the novelization (which might have been the first book I ever read). I was also a fan of Warrick Davis and his shows with Rick Gervais and Karl Pilkington. I was the target audience for a Willow reboot. But they didn't want me as a fan or anyone who was a fan of the original. They wanted a non existent fanbase of 20 year old, blue haired tumblr lesbians that never showed up.
Poor Warwick Davis. He is Willow, and he was a side character in the Willow series, just for Disney to pander with Ruby Cruz's and Ellie Bamber's characters
34 years i waited for this. Hoping so much they wouldnt wokefy it. The sat down avoided as much spoilers as i could then 30 seconds in two lesbian women knights😭😭😭. The story was crap. No mad martigan they could have spent that money digitally inserting val kilmer. For me it was just another beloved i.p destroyed by ideology.
I absolutely adore the movie Willow and I could only make it through the third episode, literally cancelled my Disney+ account RIGHT after watching it.
It took a lot of levels of fail for Disney+ "Willow" to fail that hard. Nonsensical plot; snarky, unlikable characters spouting modern slang; costumes that seemed like a mixture of SCA knock-offs and off-the-rack REI flannels; an enormous budget but no wonder or magic; disrespect for the themes and characters that were the only reason the show got to exist in the first place... By the way, Geeky, it's easy to get a job where you @#$% up all the time and still get paid; you just need candid photos of Bob Iger [REDACTED].
Most streaming services are using a minutes/hours watched metric and paying out fixed negotiated amounts regardless of subscriber income. This is a major problem for Netflix and Amazon who are competing for Asian Dramas and overpaying for licenses.
I get they had to push this shit in order to fund their projects but why did it have to suck? There was plenty of diversity in the 90s in movies and shows everyone loves
The diversity in the 90s was organic. It wasn’t a goal or objective, it was just a byproduct of people working together. When diversity is a focus, it dictates the cast, the characters, and the plot. Championed by activists, the point of the show is diversity, which means there’s less thought or care put into everything else. People who want to tell a good story don’t care about superficial, cosmetic diversity-they are focused on actual quality. Those people are not calling the shots these days.
@@schwaaard you have several templates to follow from those shows the real problem is narsissism, its not good enough to be diverse like the 90s, they have to make it "better" they have their life experience after all, they dont need to know how to write
Multiple sources were saying Disney was cooking the books in favor of expensive meals, trips, and other personal expenses for those in charge. They would apparently say it was justified because they were business expenses. There’s a huge track record of this going on behind the scenes, and a bloated budget like this doesn’t surprise me.
another part of oppertunity cost is if near the same amount of money, a little more or a little less, could have made a lot more on an IP and instead you damage the brand. that means it taints the waters so its even harder to make money off that brand, this is even worse if you are buying IPs and companies but you can't make that purchase cost back. we're seeing this with film media merger and also with gaming studios.
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Saw promo for Willow reading with the cast. They intentionally disregarded Willow from even before it aired. This is not China. We don’t watch state approved tv.
Main problem; it wasn't Willow it was made for the non-existent modern audience and a relentless lecture aimed at the rest of us, just like almost all Fantasy/SF/Historical Dramas these days. Willow was just the vehicle.
For me, it's not just about the amount of money they burned on it, it's that the rabbit hole of what they went out of their way to do wrong with Willow keeps going deeper. Here we are in 2024, and stuff is still getting discovered about what went wrong with it. Now we have a price tag, sooner or later, someone is going to dig up and find out where the money actually went and I'll bet that'll raise more than a few eyebrows over how things are made in Hollywood in general for all us outsiders.
Three mary sue's for the price of deleting one willow and one madmartigan lolz 😂. Can't wait for season 2 when they replace the brownies with actual sh*t
Season2 is mostly dead, means partly alive. Only thing you can do if it's completely dead is go through pockets and look for loose change and take the tax writeoff.
No, it is way too public and way too expensive for that, they just adding personal expences and waste most of it. You would be suprised how easy it is to waste money.
Jonathan Kasdan should never have been hired in the first place. He wrote 5 episodes of Dawson's Creek before being hired to write the version of SOLO that got Lord and Miller fired and gave us a pansexual Lando. Then he got the credit for the screenplay for Indy 5. KK is a catastrophe as a studio head. She hires awful people.
What was wrong with willow? It went woke and pulled a "master of the universe" and not it be aboit the main character and then tried to push a dumb agenda. I wonder if they see a trend yet.
I love Willow, the original movie. When I heard there was going to be a series continuing the adventures of Willow I was overjoyed! Then I heard it was going to be from Disney, I was still excited but also skeptical. But when it came out, I got Disney Plus for the sole reason of watching Willow. I felt it started off okay but as the show progressed it just quickly lost it's sparkle. The representation didn't even bother me to much, though I did feel those two characters really lacked chemistry. The relationship just felt manufactured rather than organic. But that wasn't my biggest beef with that show. It was the atrocious writing and use of characters and the music. It just really lacked the wonder and majisty of the film. A few episodes in particular just really urked me. Especially the one where Elora gets taken and the rest of the group is worried about the stupid wagon! That was just so dumb. The show was just a mess and travisty. To me it felt like they knew how they wanted to start it, how they wanted to end it, but didn't know how to get from point A to point B. I was really really really disapointed in that show.
I know. The original film was just ok. It was not a huge success and it never had any pop culture impact, or much impact of any sort. It came out and it went a complete dead end. It always felt to me like an afterthought or an experiment for Lucasfilm. In other words what else can we make other than Star Wars and Indiana Jones? So they tried a swords n sorcery fantasy. It was mostly ignored even though it has its fans. And decades later Disney+ decides to blow millions on a sequel to something no one really bothered with first time around....
Good god! Disney is spending $150 - $300 million for movies / seasons that doesn't even hit 1 million viewers. Just remove all new movies, make Disney+ $4 / month, and just put Bluey and all Disney movies, and call it a day.
Cartoon I'd like to see come back but not with todays writers and film makers is Pirates of Darkwater. If done right and a good budget it could be cool in live action. it could rival or be even better then Pirates Caribbean.
“- The Operative: You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."
@@SamtheBravesFan I have never been or never will be in the position where my failings could cost a company billions of dollars in revenue and future profits. In the case of Lucas Kennedy was hand picked to be the head of the company. Her arrogance and hubris lead to the downfall of 2 of the most beloved franchises. Don't get my started on Robert Iger, He should have faded into the background.
A WIllow series telling the story of the George Lucas and Chris Claremont series would have been cool. For one it would have been darker, much less child friendly and would have taken us all over the world. It has a decent ending as well. But seeing as the books were a George Lucas project it probably would have been a no go for Cathy.
I'd have loved a reboot of Bucky O'Hare 10-15 years ago in the style of Thundercats 2011 or TMNT 2003. Nowadays, I fear news about it for such a show would be like the Wienercats reboot.
Warwick Davis deserves better. Willow was his one character where he didn't have to put on a fur suit or a rubber mask. Now I doubt he'll ever get to play the character again. Such a crying shame.
150 million dollars on a show made for 14 people. Oh Well nothing if value was lost.
That they removed 😂
the "modern audience" of 14 people
you fine lad being tad generous.
The bubble will burst eventually on woke programming.
funny how the best books are written by one person ^^
The funniest part of the Willow series is that George Lucas actually wrote sequel books to the movie the first was Shadow Moon. They had a written series and threw it in the trash.
Condolences for Warwick Davis recently losing his wife in March.
It's a bit off-topic but having a bad show followed by the loss of a significant has to be a blow.
🙏
Thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. ✌❤🙏
Something tells me he doesn't think of a failed TV show as being as disappointing as losing his wife, you tool.
Hunh. Who would've thought that turning an 80s fantasy adventure into a YA lesbian romance aimed at Modern Audiences would make them lose money??? Incidentally, those 2 crowbarred-in lesbians were so annoying (and badly acted) that when the one fan group I saw for the show (on reddit) did a poll for fave characters, those 2 were at the bottom.
The most interesting thing about Willow was Disparu making fun of it.
He still mourns the loss of the Willow show, lol. Once in a while he tweets to Warwick Davis about what a travesty it was that it didn't get a season 2.
Money laundering at it's finest.
Reshoots my @$$. 🤨👍
Writer's rooms should be dismantled. Once you have more than 2 or 3 people bouncing ideas off each other you have enough people to form cliques, enough people to virtue signal in front of the group and enough people to go along with the corporate mandates coming down from above.
It takes about 40 people to do that but generally, a larger writer room is more inefficient and more discoherent. If you need 6 writers, something has gone off the rails.
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 the worse is having a lot of writers but none of them calls out each other on mistakes/bs 😂
@@LostouilleDisney writers: "Constructive criticism is sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic!!!"
@@Lostouillethey are afraid to due to legitimate risk of career destruction. The nonbinary transracial activitst cannot be told "no" ever. They are just waiting to get the old pale and stale writer fired for anything at all, so everyone gives the activists whatever they want.
That'll be hard after the writer's strikes though, large projects now require large writing rooms.
This show deserved to get slapped down if only to send a message. When you hijack a property to shove an agenda down everyone's throats you deserve to fail. No one came to see a show called "Willow" to see a Lesbian love story. I LOVE the movie and steered far af away from this abomination. I swear these things only get the greenlight because studios see them as a vehicle to force "the message". How many franchises have to get taken out behind the shed and put down because the studios just have to shout the message. Sick to death of it.
Have you seen the new Doctor Who??? Its Doctor Gay / Trans now.....
@@Simon-xc5oy Yeah. I heard. Glad I stopped watching after Capaldi.
@@robertbarga3694 Heh, so did most of the rest of the audience....
And they still couldn't afford non-denim fantasy costumes!
It's Called Money Laundering.
Show me where I'm wrong.
@@charleighh.990 Is modern entertainment just money laundering now?
@@funkydiscogodyes. Just like modern art.
From the accounting lessons shown in Rings of Plowder.
@@charleighh.990 It must be. The producers of Peaky Blinders made 36 episodes for less than $100 million and the costumes and everything else looked excellent.
Bob can't embezzle millions if they don't spend like this.
I'm going to start comparing every TV budget to Godzilla Minus One's $12M, which is $6M to $8M cheaper than one episode of Willow.
I'm a fan of the original movie even bought the blu-ray and excellent soundtrack by the late James Horner. It was a fun lighthearted fantasy adventure. But the series is just awful in every department with its weak storytelling, mediocre CW type performance from the cast, the out of place songs and forgettable score. I saw a lot of people defending the series on social media but it's always for the wrong reason justifying the LGBTQ romance and diverse representation as the main reason why series is great. I'm glad this series is delisted from Disney + so I can pretend this little mishap doesn't exist.
That is the problem with modern progressive, they will accept to eat a turd sandwich as long as it fills the right boxes. This is exacly what is killing so many franchises. Like Star Trek, i started over the first episode of the new season of Discovery 3 times and can't pass the first 5min because it does feel or look star trek. Starts off like, ohhh look at us doing this crazy dangerous thing yet again. Like if this was Killjoy tv show. The only reason i managed to watch to previous season was because of Michelle Yeoh, she had horrible lines, but manage to make them work. The Constant breaking down of characters every 5-10min drama was annoying. They have changed so much of the lore, especially to fit LGBTQ stuff in it was also annoying. Oh the first trans Trill. Oh, symbiont Trill that can only survive in host that are Trill, that had special training and were exclusively of the race of Trill. That then only a small percentage can become it. Well this human girl got it and survived the procedure, because the symbiont Trill, it wanted her, that is why... Telling me this race that has been doing this for i don't know how many thousands of years, never thought of asking the symbiont trill what it wanted????? Then after that, you had your typical pronoun lecture, i'm They/Them. Next scene after that was confusing af, because you had no idea, if they were talking about her, or teens in general...
It's Called Money Laundering.
Show me where I'm wrong.
How Much of the CGI and Costuming and Sets Etc. were CHEAPLY DONE?
Where did ALL that money GO?
Bingo.
Same deal with the "art" industry.
Money laundering from Day 1.
I find it hard to believe that Willow cost the same as over TEN Godzilla Minus Ones. Personally if I was in management and saw the cost of Willow I would be calling 3rd party accountants to investigate embezzlement and then the police. I still remember Farscape when it came out being only $1 mil an ep and that was record breaking back in 99 but spending $26 mil an ep today doesn't match inflation which would be around $2 mil an ep. If I was getting over paid by 10x per ep I'd want to get a Season 2 as well.
All they had to do was the Timothy Zahn books which included NEW characters 🤷🏽♂️
And Mara Jade is a strong female character if there ever was one
You mean for Star Wars? Yeah, that would've been great if they did it back in the early 90's, but they missed the chance. They waited too long and all the original actors were too old for that story arc.
As for Willow, it would've been better if they did the George Lucas/Chris Claremont books.
Spoiler:
They kill off most of the old characters in the beginning and then flash forward to Willow being a depressed and bitter old man. That's something they could've done even today.
@@skyknight0408they could've de-aged or recast them to be honest. Can always use the original cast for the later stories. Sure de-aging would have cost a lot but the fans would have turned out and the franchise would be strong.
Yeah, and I never got the argument some tried to make that Disney didn't do that because they didn't want to pay rights to the creators, but not only would that depend on what deals are in place, but with what they spent on Force Awakens and the sequel trilogy in general, whatever rights they would've paid would've been a drop in the bucket. Plus they still used Thrawn in Rebels and Ahsoka anyway.
FACTS
Mara Jade & Jaina Solo > Rey Palpatine and Awoka (Rosorio Dawson) The Acolyte
But this isn't the first time we have noted that Disney spending hundreds of millions of dollars on an 8 episode streaming show, does not appear to show up on screen. Remember She-Hulk? Boba Fett and Obi Wan? Echo? Where is this money going? Or better yet did it ever exist in the first place, or is this just fake accounting in order to prop something up? There is something weird in all of this. As a comparison Godzilla Minus One cost $30 Million dollars.
You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?
@@Shooter-The-Emu-With-A-Gun Well no. But we do actually know what the $30,000 hammers and $50,000 toilet seats are. It’s how they hide the Top Secret Black programs in the budget.
Maybe they have attended the Steven Seagal School of Film Financing…
@@Shooter-The-Emu-With-A-GunIf they are like some of the questionable charities that spent most of their donations on their offices and other amenities. Are you listening Ed ,Sayles?
Minus One only cost around 12 million. People were reporting 15 but the director commented he wished it was that much
Bob Igar is trying to please his asset managers BlackRock to get their ESG score up. Bob has no control of Disney
"Nothing grew in their shitfields" - Geeky Sparkles :)
*Palpatines voice* Ironic
I loled, tis was a good insult!
Disney in a nutshell
Disney must STOP using beloved franchises as an unearned platform for their misguided, sociopolitical lectures.
Disney has ALWAYS done that. Even the classics are typically based on stories in public domain and folklore. Disney himself altered these stories but did it to attract, not scare away the audience.
@@michaelpettersson4919 there's a difference between themes/subjects and sociopolitical lectures.
I don't even remember the original Willow being all that popular to begin with. It wasn't a bad movie, but it wasn't some groundbreaking movie either.
It may be just me, but I never heard of Willow at all until this dumpster fire aired.
@@michaelpettersson4919 someone should show the un sanatized source material... i bet the little mermaid would break hearts.
The actual star of Willow wasn't Willow it was mad Mordigan The greatest swordsmen alive You know Val Kilmore
"I stole the baby, stupid daikini, l got the baby!"
It's like the new Godzilla movies. These are actually movies about people existing in the same world as Godzilla. Boring people...
With the exception of the prologue, the action always follows Willow. Madmartigan goes off-camera on his own several times, and usually to do bad things we don't get to see. =P
He's a top-notch character, though. Manages to be the action hero, the comic relief, and the romance interest all at once, and his redemption arc is an excellent one.
It's hard to try and tell me this is not money laundering at this point
Lucasfilm has practically dethroned CW as the worst tv show company in Hollywood. I wonder if Pixar can be even worse
What are the odds that Riley in Inside Out 2 will be lesbian/bi.
My money's on non-binary.
It's not that berating the audience doesn't work "anymore." Berating the audience has never worked.
Original Willow was made for $25 and 4 large pizzas and filmed in a month probably lol.
It was probebly more then that with Val Kilmer and Joanne Whalley as actors.
@@DarkAngel4ever14yes but it has 80s-90s cheap charms 😂 but no more than that, none you could milk to create a sequel.
As all good movies should be!
And those $25 paid the 4 large pizzas, tip included. 😂
@@jalpat2272 If i had to bs my self into saying i can, i would start by making a similar story that continues the original story, use puppetry and stop motion animation for CGI and use actors that becomes popular not long after this movie that could fit the role. But then again I'm just guessing without really thinking.
Anyone else remember when Star Gate SG1 got shut down for being too expensive at 1 million per episode? 🤔
Or HBO's Rome.
Friends cost $10 million an episode at 30 mins (including ads and credits) for 234 episodes at 20-30 million viewers per season. If you want to throw inflation, then it's about $16.53 million per at 2024, and it's mostly because the actors and actresses are worth that chunk.
Willow is $18.75 million per episode and doubt it has even a tenth of Friends viewership.
so let me get this right: they spent around 19 million an episode are they brain dead what the heck man talk about just throwing money away what else have they lied to investors about.
Someone must have stolen alot of money.
That's the same amount House of the Dragon cost- and one could see it onscreen. Willow didn't look anywhere near that $$$.
If Disney had followed the books, this series would have had potential. Disney had to rewrite it and add their agendas, and ruined the stories George Lucas and Chris Claremont wrote. God knows they couldn't make George look good! Shadow Moon, Shadow Dawn, Shadow Star.
Almost $20 mil an episode with Willow, $15 mil for Kenobi, $25 mil for She-Hulk (which cost more than some episodes of GoT Season 8!), and still Disney doesn't learn! Even though every one of their films bombed last year (GotG vol 3 did from a pure theatrical stand point), they STILL don't learn! Hopefully the shareholders will wake up and hold Disney accountable, but I doubt that will happen any time soon...
I wish I had the option to simply throw down $150 million.
I know that Warrick really wanted this sequel to happen, but he should have went with someone else to write and produce it.
In that, he needs to own up to his part of this failure and not entirely on Disney. And that's a damn shame because he is a fan favorite.
Remember disney may do the same with anime if given the chance.
Just pirate all the anime its better to do that anyway
Hopefully them losing all this money will be too many red flags to anime studios
@@Xaforn Gundams creator Yoshiyuki Tomino warned Japanese studios against emulating Disney's boring digital product system recently. There's that and bastardization of translations from CR and Funimation causing the creators to lose money and having to fix and reprint manga. In turn because what happened japanese studios are using ai for both VA and manga translations.
Didn't Disney consider The Owl House anime and they canceled that one.
@@velvetinedrapes4359And then you are stuck with old Anime. That is a lot but once Disney bought something up they WILL destroy it.
When it was pulled 5 people on Twitter made an irate tweet. The core issue this particular show highlights is the lack of demand for the new modern audience drek. The original willow was a cult hit. As in it had a small dedicated audience that watched it, kept the memory alive to be ready in 2022 to demand something new. The problem with the tiny minority audience this incarnation found is that physical media does not exist. 2022 willow is erased off the servers at Disney and the tax write off means it is permanent. This means there can not ever be a cult following for the crap. This is the way with a lot of this stuff. Nobody watched it. It torched a whole pile of money joker style. There is no possibility of it creating that same demand for more the original did.
BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street is the shareholders. Bog has no control of his own company
You could have made 10 Godzilla minus 1s for that much!
KK ruins everything in the most over expensive way possible.
She needs to go back to her old job, fetching coffee.
How much cocaine did they charge to the company? How did the crew survive?
I think that executives were partaking in both ❄️ and 🍕 with the budget 😐
Don't you just love hearing bad news for Disney? It absolutely makes my day! 😁
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I think you may need something resembling a life.
Same here
481K households and $19.5mil per episode means they spent $40 per household for the first episode alone, and I imagine there was viewer drop off.
13:24 Disney has effectively took a sledgehammer to my childhood. I really don't care what happens to the company anymore
We know Disney hasn't recouped their money for Star Wars. We now know Disney has lost $150 Million dollars on Willow. Now.... I want to know how much money they really lost on Echo, She-Hulk and The Marvels.
Also, we already got an American Graffiti series. It was called "Happy Days." XD
Anyone else thinking of the Joker burning that pile of money in the Dark Knight?
So it just seems like they've been overspending on literally everything, hiding the numbers later to lie about it to the shareholders when in reality the shows and movies were a lot more expensive and less profitable than they thought they were.
It is entirely possible that somd massive fraud is going on. Maybe someone are pocketing a lot of money.
@@michaelpettersson4919 this is most of hollywood
Iger isn't fit to run a public restroom.
I hope Blackrock continues to lose millions more alongside Disney. This will nuke these two entities faster instead of dragging this crap on for years.
Revising history and what we care about costs alot
And they are failing at it. All the propaganda is not working.
And the investors voted for more of this.
I was excited when Willow was announced . I was kid when the original came out and loved it. I read the novelization (which might have been the first book I ever read). I was also a fan of Warrick Davis and his shows with Rick Gervais and Karl Pilkington. I was the target audience for a Willow reboot. But they didn't want me as a fan or anyone who was a fan of the original. They wanted a non existent fanbase of 20 year old, blue haired tumblr lesbians that never showed up.
Poor Warwick Davis. He is Willow, and he was a side character in the Willow series, just for Disney to pander with Ruby Cruz's and Ellie Bamber's characters
This, kids, is what they call money laudering. *Allegedly*
34 years i waited for this. Hoping so much they wouldnt wokefy it. The sat down avoided as much spoilers as i could then 30 seconds in two lesbian women knights😭😭😭. The story was crap. No mad martigan they could have spent that money digitally inserting val kilmer. For me it was just another beloved i.p destroyed by ideology.
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And it looked so cheap!
Every million Disney loses, an angel gets its wings.
I absolutely adore the movie Willow and I could only make it through the third episode, literally cancelled my Disney+ account RIGHT after watching it.
I have a feeling that if Bob Iger ever "retires", he is going to disappear somewhere before any of the BS he covered up comes out.
Even the the sequel trilogy was more about Alorra Danan, but it was decently written
Thought a Willow series might be fun. Turned it off after 20 minutes and never looked back.
JFC, that's close to One Piece (Netflix) budget numbers, how the hell do you make something look so cheap spending that much?
Someone's cooking the books,
that's for sure. 🤨👍
The sad thing is that they never did ANYTHING with the other two Willow books, because Willow was based on a book trilogy!
It took a lot of levels of fail for Disney+ "Willow" to fail that hard. Nonsensical plot; snarky, unlikable characters spouting modern slang; costumes that seemed like a mixture of SCA knock-offs and off-the-rack REI flannels; an enormous budget but no wonder or magic; disrespect for the themes and characters that were the only reason the show got to exist in the first place...
By the way, Geeky, it's easy to get a job where you @#$% up all the time and still get paid; you just need candid photos of Bob Iger [REDACTED].
Most streaming services are using a minutes/hours watched metric and paying out fixed negotiated amounts regardless of subscriber income. This is a major problem for Netflix and Amazon who are competing for Asian Dramas and overpaying for licenses.
I get they had to push this shit in order to fund their projects but why did it have to suck? There was plenty of diversity in the 90s in movies and shows everyone loves
The diversity in the 90s was organic. It wasn’t a goal or objective, it was just a byproduct of people working together. When diversity is a focus, it dictates the cast, the characters, and the plot. Championed by activists, the point of the show is diversity, which means there’s less thought or care put into everything else. People who want to tell a good story don’t care about superficial, cosmetic diversity-they are focused on actual quality. Those people are not calling the shots these days.
@@schwaaard you have several templates to follow from those shows
the real problem is narsissism, its not good enough to be diverse like the 90s, they have to make it "better" they have their life experience after all, they dont need to know how to write
Disrespect lore, insert message, fails again, i wonder why
Multiple sources were saying Disney was cooking the books in favor of expensive meals, trips, and other personal expenses for those in charge. They would apparently say it was justified because they were business expenses. There’s a huge track record of this going on behind the scenes, and a bloated budget like this doesn’t surprise me.
another part of oppertunity cost is if near the same amount of money, a little more or a little less, could have made a lot more on an IP and instead you damage the brand. that means it taints the waters so its even harder to make money off that brand, this is even worse if you are buying IPs and companies but you can't make that purchase cost back. we're seeing this with film media merger and also with gaming studios.
Who out there 🙋♂️ loves 💕 Kneon and Geeky Sparkles giving us the Doozy Dreadful Dirt for our Single, Double, Triple, Quadruple and Quintuple Double Daily Dose of Dismal Disney??? Absolutely stunning Disney is burning 🔥 money 💰 up the wazoo. Unbelievable. 😳🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
Saw promo for Willow reading with the cast. They intentionally disregarded Willow from even before it aired. This is not China. We don’t watch state approved tv.
Main problem; it wasn't Willow it was made for the non-existent modern audience and a relentless lecture aimed at the rest of us, just like almost all Fantasy/SF/Historical Dramas these days. Willow was just the vehicle.
For me, it's not just about the amount of money they burned on it, it's that the rabbit hole of what they went out of their way to do wrong with Willow keeps going deeper. Here we are in 2024, and stuff is still getting discovered about what went wrong with it. Now we have a price tag, sooner or later, someone is going to dig up and find out where the money actually went and I'll bet that'll raise more than a few eyebrows over how things are made in Hollywood in general for all us outsiders.
Three mary sue's for the price of deleting one willow and one madmartigan lolz 😂. Can't wait for season 2 when they replace the brownies with actual sh*t
Disney have ineptitude down to an art.
Season2 is mostly dead, means partly alive. Only thing you can do if it's completely dead is go through pockets and look for loose change and take the tax writeoff.
The amount they are declaring and lost, do they do money laundering for the cartels?? Are they tax evading??
No, it is way too public and way too expensive for that, they just adding personal expences and waste most of it. You would be suprised how easy it is to waste money.
Jonathan Kasdan should never have been hired in the first place. He wrote 5 episodes of Dawson's Creek before being hired to write the version of SOLO that got Lord and Miller fired and gave us a pansexual Lando. Then he got the credit for the screenplay for Indy 5.
KK is a catastrophe as a studio head. She hires awful people.
What was wrong with willow? It went woke and pulled a "master of the universe" and not it be aboit the main character and then tried to push a dumb agenda. I wonder if they see a trend yet.
Kneon, you're reminding me of the Old Man from RoboCop 2 when he said disguisedly, "90 million dollars." 😆
It makes me happy every time I hear about disney's collapsing ventures
I loved the Willow film. Another childhood favourite ruined by Disney.
Heartbreaking. My husband has loved Willow for decades. Turned this off halfway through.
Everything Disney makes this decade seems like creative money laundering. The price tag does not match the quality of the materials used.
This is the way of DEI, wasting money
I love Willow, the original movie. When I heard there was going to be a series continuing the adventures of Willow I was overjoyed! Then I heard it was going to be from Disney, I was still excited but also skeptical. But when it came out, I got Disney Plus for the sole reason of watching Willow. I felt it started off okay but as the show progressed it just quickly lost it's sparkle. The representation didn't even bother me to much, though I did feel those two characters really lacked chemistry. The relationship just felt manufactured rather than organic. But that wasn't my biggest beef with that show. It was the atrocious writing and use of characters and the music. It just really lacked the wonder and majisty of the film. A few episodes in particular just really urked me. Especially the one where Elora gets taken and the rest of the group is worried about the stupid wagon! That was just so dumb. The show was just a mess and travisty. To me it felt like they knew how they wanted to start it, how they wanted to end it, but didn't know how to get from point A to point B. I was really really really disapointed in that show.
I bet the dozen or so people who actually thought it was a good idea are pretty sad.
I know. The original film was just ok. It was not a huge success and it never had any pop culture impact, or much impact of any sort. It came out and it went a complete dead end. It always felt to me like an afterthought or an experiment for Lucasfilm. In other words what else can we make other than Star Wars and Indiana Jones? So they tried a swords n sorcery fantasy. It was mostly ignored even though it has its fans. And decades later Disney+ decides to blow millions on a sequel to something no one really bothered with first time around....
They didn't care. They're to busy working on their new project...Black to the future.
The only thing Disney does is make me point and laugh.
If they could bury this waste of effort in a landfill with the ET game, they would.
Good god! Disney is spending $150 - $300 million for movies / seasons that doesn't even hit 1 million viewers. Just remove all new movies, make Disney+ $4 / month, and just put Bluey and all Disney movies, and call it a day.
Cartoon I'd like to see come back but not with todays writers and film makers is Pirates of Darkwater. If done right and a good budget it could be cool in live action. it could rival or be even better then Pirates Caribbean.
I feel sad, i really loved the movie Willow. I prolly wouldve tried to watch it but i wssnt willing to pay for disney+
“- The Operative: You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."
Great Quote! I am hopeful that Disney doesn't touch that show. They've ruiend enough things already.
I wouldn't say anything like that unless I was prepared to do the same. Are you?
Attempted witty reply: "I forgot to bring a sword"
*draws sword*
@@SamtheBravesFan I have never been or never will be in the position where my failings could cost a company billions of dollars in revenue and future profits. In the case of Lucas Kennedy was hand picked to be the head of the company. Her arrogance and hubris lead to the downfall of 2 of the most beloved franchises. Don't get my started on Robert Iger, He should have faded into the background.
A WIllow series telling the story of the George Lucas and Chris Claremont series would have been cool. For one it would have been darker, much less child friendly and would have taken us all over the world. It has a decent ending as well. But seeing as the books were a George Lucas project it probably would have been a no go for Cathy.
Oh man Iger is going to have a hard time as this only is going to give more ammunition to Nelson peltz.
Would you say they made it lame and made it gay?
Never heard of it. People have too much to deal with nowadays to entertain trash.
Everything disney made use to be a must see. Now they make movies and shows that people forget even existed 😂. Crazy how times have changed.
Opportunity costs.
Exactly what fans of nuStar Wars don't understand about the lack of merchandise the new stuff fails to generate.
150 million is to much for a tv show
Just goes to show you that, no matter how bad things seem now, they always get worse.
I really wonder what is the peakest woke for Disney 🤔
I'd have loved a reboot of Bucky O'Hare 10-15 years ago in the style of Thundercats 2011 or TMNT 2003. Nowadays, I fear news about it for such a show would be like the Wienercats reboot.
I remember a time when the thought of seeing more content for the Willow universe would have had me overjoyed. Sadly, that was well over a decade ago.