The Trueno edition is so lame it's basically just a normal Halo white and track-bred red color with some black stickers here and there. Such a lame edition. At least this one is an exclusive unique green paint color, just like the orange on the 10th anniversary edition.
Toyota's website indicates deliveries happening after 11/17 into December. I don't know if they build the Hakone's all at once or if they roll them out over the year.
In a production model, I’d wait for the break in period, it’s probably only 500 miles though anyway. This is a preproduction model and that’s what we were given! So it was a car to be driven and used till it’s crushed!
For the 2025 automatic, they said they adjusted the downshift turning so it allows more downshifts. I know the current version always denies downshifts above certain RPMs. Were there any autos to test this?
We had a blast in both around the track! But I prefer the GR Corolla since it has more power. 86 handles good. But it just doesn't how you back in the seat at all. Corolla handled amazing and was very quick! Would love a turbo 86
Yes. Most seem to be asking a bit higher. The worst I saw was 45k. Keep dreaming. I wouldn't pay over msrp in any case. You can get the same car for a discount by going with a Premium trim with performance pack. The green on this car is nowhere as nice as it should be. For proof check out the latest 911 GT3 video with the green car. OMG that's nice!
I had a dealership offer me a 5k markup but honestly you can find one msrp. I declined the 5k and they offered me msrp. But I went with another dealership who started at msrp. I did have to look farther than my local area to find that.
ugh i hate how i like how the car looks but i nit pick stuff like how i dont like the boxer engine and how small the back is. I'll stick with my civic si for now
@@BrosFOURRSpeed they are talking about the indicators going off automatically once the steering wheel returns to center after indicating, the previous years require you to manually return the stalk to turn off the indicators!
Is it still the same engine in partnership with Subaru? I heard they were replacing the engine with a Toyota rally engine that was used years back. Or is that for the 2026 model?
@@BrosFOURRSpeed thank you! I hope so, but would you say the gr corolla engine can be considered very reliable or in this case more reliable than the Subaru Boxer 4?
For 2025 the differences in drive character have actually shrunk. Both cars have moved closer to each other in throttle feel and oversteer. The GR86's throttle is not quite as abrupt as it used to be and the Subie's is now sharper at least in sport mode. The BRZ is also easier to get the tail to step out but not quite as much as the 86. The best thing about the 86 is that you can spec the performance package on any trim and is a lot cheaper than the fairly equivalent BRZ Ts.
@bearclaw5115 interesting I'll keep that in mind, im actually looking to getting the 2025 Brz like next week but might hold off and check out the Gr86....I know it's superficial but I prefer the subi badge over the Toyota lol, but still I'll look into regardless. Thanks for the info
It's such a nice car but it's a shame. If you want a 4 cylinder sports car may as well get a mustang ecoboost high performance pack and get 100+ hp/tq out of the box and an all around better car for the same price if not less
Yeah the Mustang has more power. But this is way better handling. You just won't take the turns as quick or as flat compared to the 86. Power isn't everything
saludos;! Ba a correa o;! cadena;! la distribución bañada en aceite 🪔;! preciosa máquina total frontal deportivo;! su Rueda de repuesto no la yeba;! deveria;! bonito interior asiento deportivo;! un cuatro! plazas! perfecto;! pará la pista;! guapo;! ok 👍 saludos;:!
0-60 in 6 seconds and 21 MPG??? SCORE! How did they make such a slow inefficient car? It’s impressive for a car to have such terrible numbers in 2024. But hey it looks pretty cool and it’s cheap, who cares?
Well keep in mind it's N/A and a Boxer motor. That style of engine isn't as efficient as an inline 4. And not having a turbo means it doesn't have that extra free power to provide better efficiency or power
@@rafaeldeguzmqn914 With that logic I can’t have an opinion about the housing market because I can’t afford a house, child please. Why have an opinion on anything!? Cause we all middleclass, we can’t afford our groceries!
What bugs me is that they didn't add any lip kit and exhaust for Hakone. The only really new item is the wheel and body color. It costs about 0 to develop. Dunno why this is such a lazy and soulless update from Toyota...
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I am a professional designer quite familiar with the production. Green and Bronze are the basic colors in the analog color scheme. You can simplry try it yourself, google for a color scheme generator, and play with analog harmony. In first grade of art school, you basically start with this. Then they need to approve the sketch and make a 3d prototype in any 3d software ( I bet they started yo use Blender or Unreal for this). Then it comes to similar work in other departments up to logistics and distribution. Of course, it costs them some money, maybe a ton of money when we speak about directors' salaries. but the core it is a monkey job. Have you ever asked yourself why every anniversary car is stupidly painted? Look at 370z - they added stripes and red paint. Have you seen any in wild nature by the way? Same as the Miata. Because it costs ZERO effort compared to designing and manufacturing even a tiny button. Imagine you have a 35th anniversary with your wife and you just present each other with hats of different colors :D of course, it is possible but definitely not common. I am not trying to make an idiot of you, I am trying to pay attention to the fact that they need to put a little more effort into special editions/anniversaries etc. It is just a gimmick that they call a car special by bringing the simplest color scheme and limiting the production to 860 machines. I cannot imagine myself special just because they have a limited amount of paint buckets.
You get well over $1000 in upgrades for around $500 more than a premium… if you want more, then they’re gonna charge more and that defeats the purpose of this car
@@BrosFOURRSpeed my reply was to the childish OP, not you guys. Mine is on order, actually it’s the Manual Hakone, without a markup, but I’m still debating if I want that or a 2024 4Runner TRD Pro. Just turned 40 and trying to make an adult decision for a change.
Y’all were quick with this one!! Nice to meet you guys!
lol yeah! Nice to meet you too man!
Where did you meet them?
Glad the Hakone edition is back
It’s very cool!
Fr
Always liked the classy take on the 86
We should all appreciate that something is happening good to the industry. Atleast car manufacturers are doing something this day of cvts and evs
There's still plenty of performance cars in todays world!
@ yup, an affordable one, like this one, few.
Good review guys, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
they said for 2025 they updated the tuning for the revmatch, clutch and steering. was there any noticeable difference?
Not that I could tell compared to my 2023, but maybe if they were driven back to back.
Add some yellow stripes, wheels, highlights and you've got a faux Lotus!
lol 😂
THE HAKONE EDITION IS REAL NICE. BUT I’M REAL GLAD I GOT MYSELF TEH TRUENO EDITION. 🙌🏽
NAMASTE 🙏🏽 FROM BROOKLYN.
Epic cars for sure! Lots of fun on track
The Trueno edition is so lame it's basically just a normal Halo white and track-bred red color with some black stickers here and there. Such a lame edition. At least this one is an exclusive unique green paint color, just like the orange on the 10th anniversary edition.
@@abcwarrior91 It has all the same mechanics as this with the brakes and suspension. It’s got a heritage style like the AE86
@@abcwarrior91 🤔😂
@@kickdreaming 😛😜🤪😝
toyota has mentioned that they were going to adjust the throttle mapping to be more linear in the '25 models
It was hard to tell a difference compared to my 2023. Probably have to drive them back to back to see if anything is different.
@BrosFOURRSpeed there's also a steering update.
@@Zoloist hmm, didn’t notice anything there either!
Toyota missed the boat here. It should have two options: a removable Targa top / or a convertible. Nothing beats an open air experience.
I don't think they missed the boat based on that. It's a fantastic car, but a targa would be cool. Really only the corvettes offer that now.
Since it doesn't have wireless Android Auto, you can use a dongle to connect it wirelessly.
I'm not too sure. I know Apple CarPlay works
This Means that even this model,which is very limited and special edition, does not have JBL sound system like GR Corolla!?
Hmm, I didn’t see any logos, but it could have had it.
I hear the throttle was mapped differently this year. How does throttle response feel?
I didn’t feel a difference compared to my 23. They would have to be driven back to back to see if there was a difference.
is the clutch friction point/bite point still vague or did toyota finally fix it?
I owned a 2023, and didn't have any issues like that. I didn't feel anything that needed to be fixed.
when do these start shipping? I got on the waitlist at my nearest dealer but they haven't gotten any details
I don’t have any info on that. Hopefully in the next few months.
Toyota's website indicates deliveries happening after 11/17 into December. I don't know if they build the Hakone's all at once or if they roll them out over the year.
I have one confirmed and it started getting built 10/17 and the earliest delivery date for me is 12/23
Wait but the engine hasn’t been broken in, for first 1,000 miles. Doesn’t this mess up engine? Nice video btw! Awesome driving.
In a production model, I’d wait for the break in period, it’s probably only 500 miles though anyway.
This is a preproduction model and that’s what we were given! So it was a car to be driven and used till it’s crushed!
For the 2025 automatic, they said they adjusted the downshift turning so it allows more downshifts. I know the current version always denies downshifts above certain RPMs. Were there any autos to test this?
Oh interesting. This was the only 86 they had at the event. So maybe if we can test an auto at some point we'll check that out!
2025 Toyota GR86 Premium Hakone Special Edition RWD Coupe!
It’s a cool Toyota model!
What’s more fun, this or the gr Corolla?
We had a blast in both around the track! But I prefer the GR Corolla since it has more power. 86 handles good. But it just doesn't how you back in the seat at all. Corolla handled amazing and was very quick! Would love a turbo 86
This or the new civic si?
That would be a great comparison video to make, maybe one day!
How did you get one so fast?
We were at an event with Toyota for this!
I was getting a 6k markup for one of these. Is it even possible msrp?
Definitely possible. Just find the right dealer!
Yes. Most seem to be asking a bit higher. The worst I saw was 45k. Keep dreaming. I wouldn't pay over msrp in any case. You can get the same car for a discount by going with a Premium trim with performance pack. The green on this car is nowhere as nice as it should be. For proof check out the latest 911 GT3 video with the green car. OMG that's nice!
I had a dealership offer me a 5k markup but honestly you can find one msrp. I declined the 5k and they offered me msrp. But I went with another dealership who started at msrp. I did have to look farther than my local area to find that.
Got mine for MSRP in LA. Longo Toyota
ugh i hate how i like how the car looks but i nit pick stuff like how i dont like the boxer engine and how small the back is. I'll stick with my civic si for now
This car isnt for everyone with its size. But if you don't really need back seats its a fun choice
Do you know if the 2025 GR86 still has the return to center turn signal stalk? I heard rumors claiming that they changed it for 2025.
What does that mean?
It's been changed.
@@bearclaw5115 what’s different? I had a 23 model, I don’t see any changes.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed they are talking about the indicators going off automatically once the steering wheel returns to center after indicating, the previous years require you to manually return the stalk to turn off the indicators!
@@ipow1 what years exactly? Cars have had that feature for over a decade.
The scion frs had it, so not sure where this is coming from.
Is it still the same engine in partnership with Subaru? I heard they were replacing the engine with a Toyota rally engine that was used years back. Or is that for the 2026 model?
Yes all still the Subaru Boxer 4. We'll see if they do anything drastic in the future. Would be cool to have the GR Corolla engine
@@BrosFOURRSpeed thank you! I hope so, but would you say the gr corolla engine can be considered very reliable or in this case more reliable than the Subaru Boxer 4?
just wait, dont get the crappy boxer engine. Wait for toyota
Does it have a turbo ?
Nope. These have never had turbos. Would be cool to see the GR Corolla engine in it tho
Is there a big difference between the Brz and Gr86?
No, they are basically the same car with different badges! There’s a few minor cosmetic differences or interior changes but very small.
For 2025 the differences in drive character have actually shrunk. Both cars have moved closer to each other in throttle feel and oversteer. The GR86's throttle is not quite as abrupt as it used to be and the Subie's is now sharper at least in sport mode. The BRZ is also easier to get the tail to step out but not quite as much as the 86. The best thing about the 86 is that you can spec the performance package on any trim and is a lot cheaper than the fairly equivalent BRZ Ts.
@bearclaw5115 interesting I'll keep that in mind, im actually looking to getting the 2025 Brz like next week but might hold off and check out the Gr86....I know it's superficial but I prefer the subi badge over the Toyota lol, but still I'll look into regardless. Thanks for the info
@@bearclaw5115 you’ve driven the 25 GR86 and BrZ? I owned a 23 and it didn’t seem any different.
@@bearclaw5115 haven’t seen or felt any changes.
SOLD!
Such a fun car!
It's such a nice car but it's a shame. If you want a 4 cylinder sports car may as well get a mustang ecoboost high performance pack and get 100+ hp/tq out of the box and an all around better car for the same price if not less
Yeah the Mustang has more power. But this is way better handling. You just won't take the turns as quick or as flat compared to the 86. Power isn't everything
saludos;! Ba a correa o;! cadena;! la distribución bañada en aceite 🪔;! preciosa máquina total frontal deportivo;! su Rueda de repuesto no la yeba;! deveria;! bonito interior asiento deportivo;! un cuatro! plazas! perfecto;! pará la pista;! guapo;! ok 👍 saludos;:!
Thanks for checking out this review!
MUCHAS gracias 😊
But it's not hakone green tho.... the 2020 gt86 hakone edition is hakone green. This is ridge green. Why didn't they just make it hakone green😂
Not sure! A beautiful color though!
I agree. I'm not into green or cars but I love that 2020 version. This latest version looks matte.
If they ever put a good "TOYOTA" engine (3 cylinder turbo PLEASE) I'm all in. Until then no thanks.
What don’t you like about driving an 86 with this engine?
@@BrosFOURRSpeed Just too slow...needs a turbo. Fake noise is a turn off as well.
0-60 in 6 seconds and 21 MPG??? SCORE! How did they make such a slow inefficient car? It’s impressive for a car to have such terrible numbers in 2024. But hey it looks pretty cool and it’s cheap, who cares?
Well keep in mind it's N/A and a Boxer motor. That style of engine isn't as efficient as an inline 4. And not having a turbo means it doesn't have that extra free power to provide better efficiency or power
Don't complain if you don't have money to buy even a single tire
@@rafaeldeguzmqn914 With that logic I can’t have an opinion about the housing market because I can’t afford a house, child please. Why have an opinion on anything!? Cause we all middleclass, we can’t afford our groceries!
@@aaronbenellis theres no such thing as a middle class while billionaires exist
I see the vomit inducing fake engine sound has stayed intact. Come on Toyota. You people deaf?
Not a fan of that either but it’s also pretty easy to turn off
@@Zayer747 but it's too quiet without it too
You can easily disconnect it tho
What bugs me is that they didn't add any lip kit and exhaust for Hakone. The only really new item is the wheel and body color. It costs about 0 to develop. Dunno why this is such a lazy and soulless update from Toyota...
The development of products costs $0 to make and create? Where did you get that from? Far from the truth..
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I am a professional designer quite familiar with the production. Green and Bronze are the basic colors in the analog color scheme. You can simplry try it yourself, google for a color scheme generator, and play with analog harmony. In first grade of art school, you basically start with this. Then they need to approve the sketch and make a 3d prototype in any 3d software ( I bet they started yo use Blender or Unreal for this). Then it comes to similar work in other departments up to logistics and distribution. Of course, it costs them some money, maybe a ton of money when we speak about directors' salaries. but the core it is a monkey job. Have you ever asked yourself why every anniversary car is stupidly painted? Look at 370z - they added stripes and red paint. Have you seen any in wild nature by the way? Same as the Miata. Because it costs ZERO effort compared to designing and manufacturing even a tiny button. Imagine you have a 35th anniversary with your wife and you just present each other with hats of different colors :D of course, it is possible but definitely not common. I am not trying to make an idiot of you, I am trying to pay attention to the fact that they need to put a little more effort into special editions/anniversaries etc. It is just a gimmick that they call a car special by bringing the simplest color scheme and limiting the production to 860 machines. I cannot imagine myself special just because they have a limited amount of paint buckets.
You get well over $1000 in upgrades for around $500 more than a premium… if you want more, then they’re gonna charge more and that defeats the purpose of this car
RTV????? NUFF SAID!!!!!
Did you experience that with your 86? I never experienced that with mine.
Drop the oil pan and remove it if there…NUFF SAID!!!
@@matts6551 again never had issues. Did you experience that with your personal GR86?
@@BrosFOURRSpeed my reply was to the childish OP, not you guys. Mine is on order, actually it’s the Manual Hakone, without a markup, but I’m still debating if I want that or a 2024 4Runner TRD Pro. Just turned 40 and trying to make an adult decision for a change.
@@matts6551 oh sweet! Yeah it didn’t show the @ symbol to the other guy so it’s hard to tell 😉
nothing new here,move on
Ok...just showing a new model..