@gcbarone I agree, there´s always room for criticism even in systems that were formulated over so much time, tested on the battlefield and in life and death matches. I just think you need to have a certain standard of experience before trashing things, especially if you´re someone like Bruce who had (and still has) a lot of influence over martial artists, but relatively little experience (20 years is not really that much in M.A)
@theawakener7 If you mean human bondage, I suppose we all share his plight. I'm not sure what you mean by the "Classical Mess"; this reference is lost on me, I'm afraid. Perhaps you could unpack it a little more? If I follow you, I think you refer to Sensei's strict instructions as to how to execute the technique as the "trap" which snagged him. However, doesn't every martial arts teacher (especially when teaching beginners and less experienced students) hammer out his or her own recipe?
@sid8980 Saying that the Bruce didn't get it because he didn't do it long enough is not really an answer. If the value of traditional training is evident then it can be explained in words. Don't get me wrong, I think there are many wonderful traditional systems out there but I also believe that many of the criticisms Bruce said about them were and are valid.
Dan was a good teacher of what he knew. Not perfect or balanced in his life. I took from him when he taght in Hollywood and was skinny. He was a terrible, unapologetic racist who enjoyed hurting the caucasions in class. Looks to me his favorite exercise was not Ikkyo but putting in serious overtime with the knife and fork! That is why he became Obese-i-san and died tragically youmg. Listen to him huff and puff throughout this video with very minimal physical exersion. Sorry to burst his students'bubble but they put him on such a high pedestle and he clearly did not display the harmony worthy of a master of this discipline. Compare to the life of the founder Morihei Ueshiba. Aikido MEANS the way of balanced harmony and energy. What an opportunity to have been able to study directly with the founder's son Kishumaru. Dan always seemed angry and haughty. Not exemplary of the trancendant peace that was the epiphany and genius of the founder/creator of this relatively modern teaching. Ironic but not unforgivable that Dan Furuya had feet of clay. I wish the ones feeding the legend see the whole truth of his life.
@baddoggdaddy Its a reference from Jeet Kun Do from Bruce Lee who advocated cutting loose from "old mechanical un realistic methods such as Karate, Aikido, TKD" etc. I started in JKD many years ago and subscriibed to the idea until I realised Bruce simply hadn´t understood what the "classical" styles are about. Because of his great fame people just believed him, which ruined generations of martial artists by causing them to look down upon and ignore the classical arts. A total shame.
@gcbarone Well, for one thing its a little arrogant to just discard methods that were developped over hundreds of years by people just as dedicated as himself. Even Kensho said he didn´t understand why he had to train the way he trained in aikido until he became more experienced, so maybe Bruce threw in the towel too early. The value of traditional training is evident, you just have to look and wonder why training takes that form. Do you lack balance, efficiency and power? the answers are there
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Ki-aikido!
@gcbarone I agree, there´s always room for criticism even in systems that were formulated over so much time, tested on the battlefield and in life and death matches. I just think you need to have a certain standard of experience before trashing things, especially if you´re someone like Bruce who had (and still has) a lot of influence over martial artists, but relatively little experience (20 years is not really that much in M.A)
@sid8980 Actually Bruce explained the reasons behind his philosophy. And what is it about the so called "classical arts" that Bruce didn't get?
@theawakener7 If you mean human bondage, I suppose we all share his plight. I'm not sure what you mean by the "Classical Mess"; this reference is lost on me, I'm afraid. Perhaps you could unpack it a little more? If I follow you, I think you refer to Sensei's strict instructions as to how to execute the technique as the "trap" which snagged him. However, doesn't every martial arts teacher (especially when teaching beginners and less experienced students) hammer out his or her own recipe?
@sid8980 Saying that the Bruce didn't get it because he didn't do it long enough is not really an answer. If the value of traditional training is evident then it can be explained in words. Don't get me wrong, I think there are many wonderful traditional systems out there but I also believe that many of the criticisms Bruce said about them were and are valid.
Dan was a good teacher of what he knew. Not perfect or balanced in his life. I took from him when he taght in Hollywood and was skinny. He was a terrible, unapologetic racist who enjoyed hurting the caucasions in class. Looks to me his favorite exercise was not Ikkyo but putting in serious overtime with the knife and fork! That is why he became Obese-i-san and died tragically youmg. Listen to him huff and puff throughout this video with very minimal physical exersion. Sorry to burst his students'bubble but they put him on such a high pedestle and he clearly did not display the harmony worthy of a master of this discipline. Compare to the life of the founder Morihei Ueshiba. Aikido MEANS the way of balanced harmony and energy. What an opportunity to have been able to study directly with the founder's son Kishumaru. Dan always seemed angry and haughty. Not exemplary of the trancendant peace that was the epiphany and genius of the founder/creator of this relatively modern teaching.
Ironic but not unforgivable that Dan Furuya had feet of clay. I wish the ones feeding the legend see the whole truth of his life.
@baddoggdaddy Its a reference from Jeet Kun Do from Bruce Lee who advocated cutting loose from "old mechanical un realistic methods such as Karate, Aikido, TKD" etc. I started in JKD many years ago and subscriibed to the idea until I realised Bruce simply hadn´t understood what the "classical" styles are about. Because of his great fame people just believed him, which ruined generations of martial artists by causing them to look down upon and ignore the classical arts. A total shame.
Brilliant explanation , strong, dynamic, spontaneous....... aaaand 400 pounds. But great Aikido nonetheless
@gcbarone Well, for one thing its a little arrogant to just discard methods that were developped over hundreds of years by people just as dedicated as himself. Even Kensho said he didn´t understand why he had to train the way he trained in aikido until he became more experienced, so maybe Bruce threw in the towel too early. The value of traditional training is evident, you just have to look and wonder why training takes that form. Do you lack balance, efficiency and power? the answers are there