Norse Myths That Shape Us (with Dr. Carolyne Larrington)
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- Prof. Carolyne Larrington (Oxford University) answers questions about the Poetic Edda and her new book, "The Norse Myths That Shape the Way We Think," from Jackson Crawford's Patreon supporters. Recorded live on March 18, 2023.
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What a great discussion: Dr L is an ACE!
Regarding humans coming from trees, or being made out of trees by the gods.
In the Netherlands we have a saying: "uit het goede hout gesneden zijn".
Meaning: "To be carved out of good wood". If a person is capable, healthy or strong and so forth.
So that's literally an imagination of carving a human out of wood, as if the idol and the human are one and the same.
So while here 'officialy' we were christianized a long time ago, a lot of concepts that we held back then, are still in our culture.
We also adapt the saying and say stuff like: "Eens even kijken uit welk out je gesneden bent."
Meaning: "Lets see out of which wood you are carved."
We say this when we are testing someone, their skill, their ability, strength, whatever.
Only 4 minutes in and this is already fantastic. Thanks to Dr. Larrington and Dr. Crawford!
If only she listened to black metal and played video games...
You could offer to mentor her!
@@carmellewis2466 lol. I've mellowed since my teens.
More banjo and chess these days, less guitar and Nintendo.
@@sarahgilbert8036 i mean, there's a LOT of black metal and folk metal re-re-re-riffing on Norse and Celtic stories and mythos. Some of it's great, some of it's garbage (especially the neonazi stuff), most of it is alright i guess?
All depends on what you enjoy and why. I love video games but I'd rather watch someone play on TH-cam than pay for that hobby AND my tabletop game hobby.
I'm... Not a movie person. Or a tv series or Netflix or whatever.... It's just not my kind of format. I can't think of a movie or show I watched that I enjoyed for what it was instead of what ideas it gave me.
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised she knows about black metal.
I'm watching this wearing a fishing net, eating an onion, and with a dog as company.
Such a cool interview! I'd love to see a follow up one at some point.
This was a very worthwhile conversation and I am happy both to have seen most of it live on the Patreon stream and to watch the bits that I missed here on TH-cam. That said, I do take issue with the section (around 17 minutes in) where you discussed Neil Gaiman's book, Norse Mythology. When I listened to Dr Larrington's characterization of the final chapter, it struck me as inaccurate, so I went back and re-read it to confirm my suspicions before commenting here. The final chapter does speak of the gods who survive Ragnarok finding the golden game pieces and setting them up to play the game anew - but it does not (in any way) state that they are doomed to play all the same moves or that the outcome of the game will look anything like the last one (or even that the playing of the game and what happens in the world are in anyway related to each other). In fact, a page or two before, Gaiman tells us how the surviving gods "discuss what could have been done differently and whether the outcome of the game was inevitable." I just wanted to set the record straight for anyone who might be considering giving his book a read. That aside, a thoroughly enjoyable discussion.
This was one of my favorite talks. Great video as always!
I actually was reading A song of Ice and Fire a few months ago and stopped completely after realizing the Norse myths parallels/influences. I had to learn more about the source before reading what's influenced by it (obviously came to this channel many times for this porpuse). Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us
so many one eyed wizards
Oh yes thank you for this interview, I'll be buying this book very soon
Long overdue. Two of the best to do it. Thank you both 👍🏻
I was surprised to hear you guys didn't like William Morris' style since it inspired so many like Lewis and Tolkien. How about Lord Dunsany?
I am very glad that you mentioned her earlier book, "The Norse Myths: A Guide to Gods and Heroes" (1:20:10) as I had never heard of that one and wanted to find a primer on Norse mythology for an upcoming birthday. So I will take your recommendation!
I wonder, there are of course records in which people were made to swear off the old gods.
But despite that, in practice it seems more as though they didn't want adopting christianity to mean that they had to also forget and abandon their own culture.
And that its adoption was more a political move than anything else. A bit like becoming part of the EU. Trying to get trading benefits and border security and so forth.
Which is why we see both the original culture and the christian ideas being expressed by the same persons.
18:30 Interesting. That approach reminds me of the end of Stephen King's Dark Tower series where (MASSIVE SPOILER) after Roland reaches the Dark Tower and realizes he has done this before, he is transported back to the desert from the first book but this time with the Horn of Eld (an important item he lost after the Battle of Jericho Hill). Even though he is starting again on the cycle, the next time might be different.
Very interested in her take with pop cultural interpretations of Norse myth. I'm curious if she's seen the New Zealand series "Almighty Johnsons" which has a unique take on Norse gods being "reborn" within young people in New Zealand of all places.
This is outstanding! Thank you for bringing the good Doctor on!
Perhaps a bad idea for Beowulf to fight a dragon at 70 y.o., but for Cohen the Barbarian, on the other hand 😂 -- Props & R.I.P. Sir Pterry
She was a delight. Great interview.
I look at Gaiman’s retelling of Norse myth the same way that I look at Kevin Crossley-Holland’s retelling, which was my intro to the myths those many moons ago: it’s an accessible gateway for modern readers who are used to modern narrative voice and structure, which will be sufficient for many and serve to inspire a few to go deeper into the sources.
What about the six fold goal?
Perhaps the best interview i've ever seen on this channel, with probably the most knowledgeable guest in its field.
It's kind of weird to think that Dr Crawford may know more about video games than she does, just for professional reasons
You oughta take us through your wardrobe some day.
I'm thinking of a belt buckle, to make one similarly to who they were made in the migration era, with a depiction of snakes/worms crawling about.
But then in the shape of such a silver cowboy buckle. Wouldn't that be awesome?
I think I need to read this book...for all my searching and studying I never once made many of those brilliant connections. (Like the animals scurring up and down the tree are sharing information) I think those metaphors likely refer to an underlying truth, hence the resurgence of the idea in a million and one interpretations. I need to read to see what other truths I had been oblivious to.
I am so thankful for those who are like enzymes breaking down bits so we can digest it all, or like they put it in regards to C.S.Lewis "giving simple answers to difficult questions."
The week days are norse gods days and the moon and the sun and one day for bathing
Honestly I think the reason Oðinn has so many names is simply because of alliteration combined with the fact he features A LOT in the stories.
Ooh this will be a good one
I'm American and I think alliteration is amazing.
Rick Riordan is a great YA author about Mythology, as well as Michael Scott!
I wanted to ask if she'd read the Magnus Chase series!
One of my favorite representations of Norse mythology is Gene Wolfes The Wizard Knight. Its that mixed with Arthurian stuff. Highly recommend.
Vinland saga! if anyone is into anime check it out, Great show. if you're not really into anime, because of the typical troupes it does have some of them going on but it's really great. And it(vinland saga) rises above them
This is great! Thanks so much!
Hi! Recently found you thru Matt Colville, Glad to be enjoying your content.
The name of the hall which replaces Valhöll, mentioned at around 27:30. Could only hear "Gimlei", but that can't be right?
Go to the transcript to chase that down. Find that by clicking on the expansion of the description right at the beginning.
It's Gimlé.
@@guillermotheivth4378 Thank you!
😮😮😮😮😮the crossover we needed
Awesome video, cheers
What sounds right is definitely shaped by nurture, not nature. Alliteration is music to my ears. If woven together well, it can sweep me into the flow of the prose like the current in a river.
Great Video
Dr. Larrington is my hero
Awesome talk!
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Modern Danish research suggests that the Odin cult was a thing for the upper layers of society (stormænd) and that the population in general would stick to nature gods like Njörðr, Freja, Frej, and Týr (the latter three still remembered in numerous place names in Denmark) together with all the numerous characters inhabiting water, stones, burial mounds etc. It's crucial to differentiate and definitely not generalize from written sources of isolated Iceland that in most respects had very little in common with e.g. Denmark and Sweden.
I will always think that the christian monks added the dwarf story to Freya to slander her and discourage worship. Christianity sunk all the female gods to support roles or weird stories that would be scandalousor repulsive.
Also fertility and agriculture (like having a hearth diety) fall apart in the modern world because they stopped having direct daily relevance.
this some bangin spanish hip hop!