Odin: Frenzy and Wisdom (Live in Colorado)
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- Recorded live at Meadkrieger Meadery (meadkrieger.com) in Loveland, Colorado on February 28, 2024.
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I like when the topic of Odin is covered
Think this is one of the top comprehensive talks on Odin, thanks dr crawford for such rich detail cutting through so many clouds of enigma 👏👏👏
I think the reason so many people think Odin was hanging upside down, is that if you are bleeding something then holding it upside down helps blood drain.
We found great insight and value in learning the multitude of various significances of the fundamental words and concepts such as door, hearth, home, wife, husband, etc. as found in the provincial meanings dictionaries in English from the 1800’s or earlier. These meanings revealer ancient meanings which endured through an oral tradition still being handed down during those days. I think the richness in meaning that they brought to some of the most commonplace of items might elucidate the references used in the myths and early didactic works dating back to the early Middle Ages.
Yay for getting your bag fixed! This was so fun! I enjoyed listening to it
Just saying thanks.
Good morning doctor jackson I was just saying if you still live in boulder
I thought that dwarves lived in boulders.
2:56 the poem is talking about the flow state, no?
The ability to compose improvisational verse would be a correlate to the ability to enter the flow state.
I think that this is why the Norse seem to have associated ability as a poet with ability as a warrior.
nice one
This is a hoot!😂
Bor and Odinn are Aesir and not Jotnar because Buri, who was licked out of the ice by Audumbla, is not descended from Ymir and therefore not a Jotunn, and consequently his male-line descendants aren't either. Patrilineal descent and its expectations of loyalty are all over the extant Norse tales, and indeed Indo-European mythology generally, from Ireland to India.
Odin's name comes from the supposed Indo-European root *weyd meaning to show or reveal. It's about creative madness. Odin is manic. And his name is cognate to the modern word "guide" (which makes sense because he's the one who is the god of poetry is he reveals the runes to us). It's all about a revelatory state.
The thing that I would be curious about is if he always started off as a God of Death/War or if that came later.
Or perhaps because war creates new things out of the chaos, so that aspect of chaos and change is why he is tied to that.
Or perhaps it's because he tends to show up in stories to reveal something (very often someone's death) so poets used him as an indicator for the audience that something exciting is going to happen.
I'm definitely less sure of that part of Odin's origins.
But I think it's pretty clear that while scholarship is close to the meaning for what Odin's name means. It's slightly off. Because the "madness" definition seems to be based off later meanings of roots rather than the Indo-European one.
What is the name of the saga referenced at 53:00 minutes? Book title to order…?
I got it thanks, would be fun screenplay!
I know one reason for thinking that Oðin hanged upside-down is because it is depicted that way in the Tarot card "Hanged Man". There is also an interesting ancient mesoamerican festival involving hanging upside-down from and swinging around something like a May-pole, and the origins and meaning of this festival are unknown, but it goes back to the Mayan civilization.
One reason some people think it, maybe, but not a reason to think it. Norse mythology isn't some sort of new age tarot card game.
@@krysofylaxxalyfosyrk9148 Tarot isn't by any means new, nor is it a game. Much like Norse mythology, it has mysterious origins and seems to have been "copied" by many cultures all over the world, as though it were reconstructed from memory or description.
At any rate, I said "for thinking" not "to think", and it was in answer to the question of where people got the idea that Oðin hanged upside-down. When I share my thoughts, my purpose is not to convince anyone that I am correct, nor is it to state my beliefs, unless otherwise stated.
@@Alkimi I was joking when calling it a new age card game, but I will admit I don't take it very seriously. I just wanted to chime and say I don't think it's a *good* reason for thinking that about Odin, which surely is what matters.
@@krysofylaxxalyfosyrk9148 Yeah, few people these days take any oracles seriously. I never did, but I was always fascinated by how seriously people the world over have taken them throughout history. I certainly understand the compulsion to chime in. 😅
The only reason I mentioned it is because there is a little-known theory that the Hanged Man in the Tarot is meant to refer to Oðin. Although, if that's true, and I think it is, then the question still remains if it was drawn that way because people back then already thought that's how Oðin hanged for some reason. 😂
Some Tarot enthusiast may read all this someday and have themselves a bit of an apotheosis. 😁
Clan Volsung here!
If Aesir/Vanir gods had children with non human forms (Loki sires Slepnir and Fenri), could Jotun 'grotesque' forms be the result of the same pairing?
To be fair to Marvel's Odin, Thor brought giants to Asgard's door and neglected to kill them properly, which kind of is a big no-no for the Aesir. But also Odin is a lot sneakier in the comics, and he actually put Thor through a complicated plan where he turned him into a human and left him in Midgard so that he could find some way to turn Ragnarok to the gods' favor. Baldr's death was also part of this plan. And Marvel Odin is so much worse of a dad than myth Odin ever could be, because he actually drove Baldr into developing an eating disorder through sheer trauma alone!
Also, Sigmund's dad is Volsung. He's actually the guy who gives his name to his family line.
Isn’t Sigmundr’s father Volsung himself?
wisdom and frenzy sound like an oxymoron
@@stayhungry1503 It's referring to being in a manic revelatory state.
The social taboo against fighting bare-handed sounds like an attempt to encourage peaceful compromise over fistfights by raising the stakes over a dispute: a person may be more amenable to settling a dispute peacefully than risking life and limb in the holmgang ring…
Sorry, one more comment. I think Marvel depicts them as blue as a reference to the Picts
Hail Odin!
If you look for an analog to Odin in popular culture I would pick Palpatine.
It seems like the gods can't undo their injuries when they shapeshift, so maybe Oðin was limited to shifting his eye to the other side, and Loki could only change the nature of the ugliness of his mouth.
Sigmundr's dad SIG Sauer.... 😃
You'd have to be quite large if the world was made from your corpse