D-lab series Basic Training Tube Guitar amp repair Balance vrs variable bias system fact or fiction

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  • @analogblues9606
    @analogblues9606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Yes, this is exactly what I’m looking for! You’re the best teacher to make the info understandable with great topics. Please continue. Thanks Terry!

  • @srtamplification
    @srtamplification 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In the first example, the variable resistor is being used as a potentiometer. In the second example, the VR is being used as a rheostat.

    • @doitlickyoumeanit
      @doitlickyoumeanit 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that a pot is a rheostat,...variable resistor,...

    • @srtamplification
      @srtamplification 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@doitlickyoumeanit No a variable resistor can be connected to create a voltage divider using three points (potentiometer) or can be connected using only two points to control the amount of current (rheostat). It has just become common to refer to all VRs as pots even though they may not be used as a potentiometer in the circuit.

  • @audiotechlabs4650
    @audiotechlabs4650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Terry, in the mid 60s, in Columbia. Mo., there was a similar TV repair shop called Peoples Electronics! Same setup…..old guy in a tiny shop full of equipment and customer’s repair items. Must have been 1000s of them across the USA! Before I became a “Solder Jock”, I would go in and have “Old Man Peoples” solder things like the old screw on mic connectors! I know exactly what you mean. For me it was better than an arcade! These training videos are great! Even guys like me can pick up tricks from them! Thank you for posting them! I hope you are doing well with the full time working in your own shop! I think it was very smart of you to do so! Love from springtime in the Rockies! Thanxz

  • @mackfisher4487
    @mackfisher4487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Memories of a kid at seven having Sammy our local TV repairman working on our Dumont TV he had two RCA tube caddies. Glad you're not turning Fred into a guitar amp.
    Terry I have no suggestions as to what content you should feature, but keep the hammered ham around.

  • @shakeypeet
    @shakeypeet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God bless my man , been building for about 20 years now , I am self taught , and by reading and learning from other's , You my man are a breath of fresh air to some of us , so cheers , and enjoy your wine , well deserved teach ....

  • @mcaloon66
    @mcaloon66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love the basic training series. Please keep it going.

  • @darrenbird2526
    @darrenbird2526 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I absolutely love these tutorials. I listen to them all day at work, as a podcast! Might have to sneak somewhere, to be able to playback and watch a certain section! Thanks for taking the time to make GREAT videos Terry! Cheers from Tasmania Australia! Darren

  • @ross3818
    @ross3818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Solving oscillation problems would interest me greatly.

  • @albertcorkery2540
    @albertcorkery2540 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just found your page. I absolutely love it! Former US Navy electronics guy and guitar enthusiast. Your amp Basic Training series is so informative and your instructional skills are top notch. Going to watch them all. Thank You Terry!

  • @wesleymatthews137
    @wesleymatthews137 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    TERRY, good stuff there. I’m curious if there is an option for a hybrid bias on that fender baseman. The best of both worlds…where the total bias can be adjusted and the balance of the bias can be adjusted? The ability Mai allow the owners to use tubes that are not as precisely matched?

  • @andrewmcwhirter2238
    @andrewmcwhirter2238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice video, thanks! I would have liked to hear how "bad" the amp sounded with the unbalanced tubes (biassed so the hottest side dissipation was still within spec) after being modded.

  • @LitesLAB
    @LitesLAB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love this series Terry! I would love to see some videos about combining tube preamp sections with solid state output sections.

  • @theonewease
    @theonewease 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Terry! I think you should show us a Mod that gives us Both bias voltage and a balance control so we can use any set of tubes.

    • @michaelhager4270
      @michaelhager4270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      replace the resistor on the balance pot with a trimmer set up as a variable resistor. one leg to ground middle leg to the balance pot.

  • @jdmccorful
    @jdmccorful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes, continue! Good stuff. Thanks for the look.

  • @MikeGervasi
    @MikeGervasi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes. Also the amp build series I mentioned last video :)

  • @preiter20
    @preiter20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is excellent information Terry! Please keep these basic training videos coming!

  • @300poundbassman
    @300poundbassman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow that was my dad's last cady he had. My father's Tv repair was from a bygone age. My Dad's name was Fred Nimmo. His tagline. Was "When your TV's dead see Fred". Nice touch!!

  • @kengevers8738
    @kengevers8738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The best bias system is to have variable bias, in addition to bias balance. That way if you have odd tubes, you can set the bias and get the other tube to balance. I think the S/F twin reverb amps were like that. 👍

  • @davehunt5706
    @davehunt5706 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do we , yessss we dooo 😀
    Thank you Terry keep them coming !!!

  • @christominello
    @christominello 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like this series. It’s a good second type of content.

  • @haywarddaryl
    @haywarddaryl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes thank you! I would also love it if someone could teach me other audio equipment repair like preamps and car amplifiers. If only I had a neighbour just like you!

  • @kenk4555
    @kenk4555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is exactly the type of information I’ve been searching for. Thanks for sharing your knowledge in a straightforward and easy to understand way!

  • @xtrchessreal
    @xtrchessreal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😉I have installed a dual bias balance circuit. It this case you could have turned the one running hot down to level the other was running and extended tube life in these days of "No Tubes Left" We have to make use of these tubes until they actually fault and end their life. In general run tubes cool to moderate 55% to 60% dissipation and get many years of life. I think the idea of running at 70% is outdated for the times. Not arguing with you, adding in other options. I think this is a great series please keep it up. 🙂

  • @zbaby82
    @zbaby82 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yes Terry we love information. Maybe sometime when you are biasing a Marshall with EL34s you could show us the sine wave along with how many mV or mA via a meter the tubes are drawing. Thank you for your videos.

  • @handlethisyoutube
    @handlethisyoutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh yes. This series is a great idea. Thank you Terry.

  • @miguelrichartmellado2834
    @miguelrichartmellado2834 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Terry! Thank you . This series is very important for my preparation of audio equipment. Always grateful. A hug.

  • @marknielsen8977
    @marknielsen8977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes Terry. More of this type of content please.

  • @audiotechlabs4650
    @audiotechlabs4650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    By all means….continue! You may hit upon common tube amp situations that can be fixed or reconfigured to make your tube amp be more reliable and work properly for all us ampaholics. Question….would you put a bias adjust pot for each output tube? That seems the way to match tubes exactly, no matter if they are matched or not? We are trying to make our amps the very best we can instead of mass producing several and we don’t care if it costs more money to do so! We are only doing one amp at a time, so what the heck. This new series of informative videos is fantastic, to share your knowledge with us! Thank you Terry and I hope being a full time solder jock will be enough to pay the bills and keep you in vino. Love from not yet spring in NW Colorado.

    • @VashthStampeede
      @VashthStampeede 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Makes sense. I would love to hear the why nots on this great sounding idea. I have often wondered why no one does it that way.

  • @richardweinberger2756
    @richardweinberger2756 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Terry - I really like your basic training idea.
    I would be very happy to learn more about radios - I love tube audio too.
    Thanks :)

  • @mikiegood
    @mikiegood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this series. Keep them coming. Thanks

  • @MrMeik1970
    @MrMeik1970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perfect Terry 👍🏻 More Tips and Tricks please 🙏🏻 I like to see more Marshall Amps.

  • @MaBaKar
    @MaBaKar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for this series, very informative.

  • @openup007
    @openup007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great... perfect for the DIY electronic tech. I'd like to see a Fred & Terry (F&T) on high-voltage safety tips that will help educate DIYers on standard best-practices while working on high-voltage circuits. Thank you.

  • @chrischwaz7788
    @chrischwaz7788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a great series keep making them . Thank you

  • @stevelueb7787
    @stevelueb7787 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes i want to learn more.
    Thank You,
    "Terry of Tube Guru"

  • @PhoenixGuitars
    @PhoenixGuitars 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes. Starting with sone basic fundamentals is great. Reckon in a pinch you could set the bias in between to get a happy medium? Thanks Terry!

  • @Finom1
    @Finom1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bless you Terry, you are an amazing educator:)

  • @dankaptur6393
    @dankaptur6393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great. Can you do a Basic Training episode where you discuss and demonstrate the way you solder to aluminum in some of your other videos?

  • @Theoobovril
    @Theoobovril 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great, Terry, extremely useful piece of technical info'. many will find this very handy to know, more of this type video please.

  • @dirkfuchser737
    @dirkfuchser737 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I allways enjoy your videos - Greetings form Germany

  • @bigmac4948
    @bigmac4948 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    D-lab Basic training is an awesome idea Terry. “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.”

  • @f.k.burnham8491
    @f.k.burnham8491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great info. This is data I need to fix these amps. Thanks.

  • @edwardhannigan6324
    @edwardhannigan6324 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Terry, great video and lots of info..Thanks for sharing, still learning..Ed..uk..😀

  • @RitusG
    @RitusG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really enjoy this type of video. It always seemed to me it would be nice to have dual pots. One for each tube to dial in unbalanced tubes?

    • @elgen0314
      @elgen0314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Some amps have this and it is very convenient indeed

    • @GonzGunner
      @GonzGunner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@elgen0314 TubeTone Amps is one company that does. You no longer need to have a matched set. Very innovative, I must say.

  • @DustInTheWindAZ
    @DustInTheWindAZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They say there are no "stupid questions, so I'm going to test that theory.
    After watching this video, I'm wondering, "Can't you use a "hybrid" circuit that can both adjust the overall current (bias) to the tubes AND balance them, using 2 potentiometers? Kind of like having both volume AND balance controls on a stereo ( instead of a choice of one or the other)? Does that sound stupid? Being "noob", maybe I'm not using the correct terminology, but I think you get the drift of my question.

  • @josephmagedanz4070
    @josephmagedanz4070 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think it is a good series...no matter what the topic, I always learn something new, so thanks for all your work!

  • @silvermica
    @silvermica 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes, continue. I have a '79 fender twin that I repaired in 1989. It was my first amp. I still have it. I also have a few Orange Rocker amplifiers. The Orange Rockers all have scratchy pots (gain and volume). Cleaning them works for a little while - then the static/scratchy sound comes back in a few months. It's annoying. I thought maybe, somehow, a DC voltage sitting across the pot(s) might have been the issue. Pretty sure I checked with a voltmeter and found no weird DC voltage sitting there. Now, I'm wondering if these are just cheap potentiometers. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.

  • @juliochingaling5824
    @juliochingaling5824 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video my friend. I ran into this problem on my 73 super reverb. Now I know it's a balance. A bias is a great 💡 idea. God bless 🙏

  • @firstchurch7543
    @firstchurch7543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video, Terry. Most helpful. Also, it doesn't hurt for you to point out exactly where the parts go in the circuit. Thank you much

  • @fredcoston6580
    @fredcoston6580 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yes , this is great info. Thank you. D lab

  • @rciancia
    @rciancia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good Stuff as usual Terry !!!!

  • @parachuteman4
    @parachuteman4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved it. Thanks!

  • @electrolytics
    @electrolytics 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great stuff. Thank you D Lab.

  • @avcow
    @avcow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for lessons

  • @waterknot1
    @waterknot1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great work! I think you meant "No way to adjust" not "No way to Measure" bias. You can always measure the Voltage drop at the Output transformer center tap to plate and calculate the Bias Current based on the Plate Voltage, Output Transformer DC resistance. I created an Excel spreadsheet that does the calculations for me. I suppose you could argue that directly measuring is better, but I've found calculated values are good enough for rock n' roll and usually match the measured current pretty closely. 🎸🎸🎸

  • @christyler9026
    @christyler9026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please continue!!!!

  • @scole901
    @scole901 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yes great series

  • @TheFlyingRobert
    @TheFlyingRobert 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great, lots of good information here for rescuing these great old amps. Thank you!

  • @stevebrown4085
    @stevebrown4085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tell you what I think? I think you are going in a good direction. And I am sorry that I can not send you a bottle of good wine in the mail for your troubles being that I am not a distributor.

  • @Bianchi77
    @Bianchi77 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Creative video, thanks you :)

  • @giulioluzzardi7632
    @giulioluzzardi7632 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't "fink" I know I need this fantastic and informative channel. Salute!

  • @roncarter2188
    @roncarter2188 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love it Terry and need this information, thank you for all you do.

  • @tigertownmusiclab
    @tigertownmusiclab 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome and excellent!! This is a great series!! Thank you.

  • @fredcoston6580
    @fredcoston6580 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow , that was fast . Thanks so much. I've learned a lot from your d lab.

  • @memorypalace8009
    @memorypalace8009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for what you do.

  • @Bbendfender
    @Bbendfender 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. This helps me. I'm not a tech but I have maintained my Fender amps through the years by trying to keep them in good working order. I do have a local tech now who helps me when I reach a point that I don't know what to do.

  • @dominiquecerdan8255
    @dominiquecerdan8255 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Terry you rock!!! Heck yea

  • @johnmac8084
    @johnmac8084 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes Terry, this is useful, thanks

  • @daveogarf
    @daveogarf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOVE this, Terry! Practical lessons on common and less common problems. Thank you!

  • @williamsmith4734
    @williamsmith4734 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is what I been looking for. Keep this series going please. I been watching and taking notes. Thanks Terry.

  • @JasonTHutchinson
    @JasonTHutchinson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fender amps are easier to work on than some of those old Silvertones, etc. that have hot chassis.

  • @ali2ndmail
    @ali2ndmail 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it! Exactly what I find useful to hear about.

  • @CRUNCHCOLE
    @CRUNCHCOLE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. I really need to learn how to read a schematic and translate it to the amp.

  • @ClumsyFlounder
    @ClumsyFlounder ปีที่แล้ว

    The intros for these basic training videos are top notch. Great info D-lab, keep it up brother

  • @pauldow1648
    @pauldow1648 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I like your thinking. Sherlock like. You remind or inform how componet is supposed to work and point out how/why it is or isn't, then demonstrate corrective approach......

  • @MrMrjauregui
    @MrMrjauregui 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Terry!, great video..
    One suggestion: Could you do a video about your career? Those types of videos are always a success..
    Best regards from Tecate, Mexico..

  • @donbrock7885
    @donbrock7885 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think it’s great Terry
    Iv learned so much from you

  • @jerryogle8798
    @jerryogle8798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video Terry. What about a video on your ratio meter?

  • @garysmith1532
    @garysmith1532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep the great content, never too many tutorials on basic amp faults which can be tricky to remedy..👍

  • @donaldfilbert4832
    @donaldfilbert4832 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent !! Great clarification. I always wondered why some were "bias set" and some were "bias balance". Now I know !!

  • @ivanpowell8310
    @ivanpowell8310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ivan Powell please continue

  • @tomasjones3755
    @tomasjones3755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks Terry; Fred, as well. I appreciate your ‘refiment mod’ vids. I also like your low power amp builds; actually, most all of it.
    Your vids are one of my inspiration & design tools. I’m about to repurpose an ’47 Admiral 6V6 single end radio. It has a stout PT & a sizable choke. I’m retaining the front glass & lighting the chassis, thanks to you

    • @d-labelectronics
      @d-labelectronics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad I can make a difference, Thanks for the comment, made my day : )

  • @robertkibbler1564
    @robertkibbler1564 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi terry love the vids! Don't understand them fully but keep them coming. Do you ever work on Vox amps? Especially AC30 my 1963 hums bad am I doing it damage if I use it.....Rob from UK.

  • @hardball107
    @hardball107 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Terry, I'm building a Super 6K6 from a 520. I have the filament circuit done along with the B+, it's pretty straight forward but I could use a review on the signal wiring from the input to the power tubes and output transformer. For me it's a little convoluted and instead of just following a schematic I'm trying to understand the path and function of the signal with tone, tremolo and volume controls. Might be a good subject for a mini class. Thanks, love the series.

  • @pauldavis6356
    @pauldavis6356 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes. Keep this content coming. Queation - you referenced the increase in wall voltage that we have these days and I can see how it can adversly affect tube bias - but do transister amps have the same concern? Should we be worried about output transistor bias with increased wall voltages?

  • @mintmindofficial
    @mintmindofficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great series idea! i think alot of us that watch these types of videos are trying to learn this stuff but need someone to take it slow. i also think that most folks buy matched pairs or quads now so the hum balance pot has become somewhat obsolete and since more folks maybe want to save a few bucks and maybe want to try biasing themselves that a bias pot makes much more sense to have.

  • @Ian-jt2yz
    @Ian-jt2yz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Terry, greeting from Canberra, Australia. I think I smell a rat, however this is very helpful. Tthanks for spending the time to do these. I look forward to them continueing.

  • @dwightjt
    @dwightjt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice job Terry on the stereo home brew. Your sore knees try some natural anti- inflammatories like eat foods with tumeric in them and garlic is very good for your knees your cholesterol and blood pressure a lot of spices you buy at the grocery store are healthy and anti-inflammatory will help the old arthritis good luck love your videos your friend Dwight from Allen Park Michigan.

  • @elgen0314
    @elgen0314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    With all due respect, you could have changed the bias resistor for less than $1 and kept the balance circuit and the good old tubes in tact. I find the bias balance control to be very useful, although I seem to be in the minority. Adjustable fixed bias + bias balance control gives you the best scenario and you don't see that very often.

    • @d-labelectronics
      @d-labelectronics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, I would agree both variable + balance would be the ultimate. The main thing to concentrate on is the idle current thru the tubes, They need to be set correctly of their life span will suffer.

    • @VashthStampeede
      @VashthStampeede 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@d-labelectronics Can you design a circuit that can be easily added to any tube amp that would serve the dual purpose? I have heard someone say that a guitar amp sounds better with a small difference in output tubes. Any truth to this?

    • @elgen0314
      @elgen0314 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@d-labelectronics Please let me clarify. Changing the value of the bias resistor will change the negative voltage applied to the control grid of the output tubes. This effectively raises or lowers the idle current draw of the output tubes. It takes 10 minutes and costs less than $1. You can retain the balance control and the mismatched tubes. Less cost, less bench time, more control over the circuit. Win-Win-Win. No need to buy matched tubes.

  • @LoganFillmore
    @LoganFillmore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Terry! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with all us sinners. I've been listening to The Truth About Vintage Amps podcast too. Skip Simmons is a great amp tech in CA.
    Could you go over 12AX7 / 5751 / 12AT7 and their applications. I'm thinking of things like differences in current requirements, suitability for Phase Inverter uses ect.
    One last thing, should you have balanced triodes on a PI tube?
    Thanks!!!

  • @doitlickyoumeanit
    @doitlickyoumeanit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have no idea why my last comment was posted twice, and I feel like I didn't ask the right questions, or I didn't have enough info behind my inquiry. I also see that it will take me a little while to bring myself up to speed with you and your subscribers. I have a general knowledge of the function, of most of the components, but very little knowledge of how to put them together. I took basic electricity , in high school,...E / I X R , and so forth . What, besides a volt ohm meter, will I need to continue. I will take the chassis out again, so I can look for obvious problems and leaking caps. I appreciate any guidance you may have for me Terry, for now this is Kevin Keller saying I'm out of here.

  • @johnnaighley9252
    @johnnaighley9252 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I consider your new training series a good approach to the basics. It's helpful - you don't get more ignorant when watching your vids, far from it! ;-)

  • @kenzuercher7497
    @kenzuercher7497 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good description, Terry! By Bedford, are you referring to Bedford, Michigan?

  • @georgebush8038
    @georgebush8038 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i would mind you making an adjustable resistor box and tuning grid resistors like brad (the guitaroligist ) for individual musicians.

  • @emmanuelgranatello1896
    @emmanuelgranatello1896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Terry, I love your channel! Quick question: is there anything that prevents having both bias level AND balance adjustment (with separate 2 pots, naturally)? Thanks and keep on !

    • @d-labelectronics
      @d-labelectronics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can be done, Just did not go that far in this vid

  • @danpearson2471
    @danpearson2471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great! Do you set bias to 70% of its rated value at idle?

  • @daveanderson5680
    @daveanderson5680 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pay it on into the future

  • @waynemarc77
    @waynemarc77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LONGER VIDEO'S WOULD BE NICE...

  • @rickr7333
    @rickr7333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice instruction but why not just go with two pots and adjust each so you can use any tube you have or can get?

  • @TheDesertRat31
    @TheDesertRat31 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video. What pin on the power tubes does the 1ohm resistor connect to? It should be a precision tolerance, yes? I went ahead and got an extra multimeter (a pair of old USAF fluke FM/27s) to monitor both tubes simultaneously.