The Most Tragic School Trip You’ve Never Heard Of
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I attended the school in Alberta. It was an absolute waste of time between being beaten by teachers, violent criminals for students, the horrible food, and religious crap shoved down my throat at every turn. I wish I could forget every awful minute of it.
I'm sorry to learn of your story and hope you come to peace with it.
@@truecrimepodcasting I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you're ok.
Hugs. I wish this never happened to you. I am sorry you had to go through this
@truecrimepodcasting these places were horrid, nobody benefited from it. So sad you have that horrid memory.
it's a vile and nonsense 'philosophy' I got sent to a British boarding school which was also vile. I feel your pain.
Going on expeditions with no training doesn't make you tougher, it just gets you killed. Like learning to drive by crashing a car.
These kids where just put in danger, that's not teaching them anything, nothing positive, just a traumatising experience.
"We've been organizing these trips since 1962 - NOBODY'S DIED YET" is probably not the best slogan.
I can’t imagine taking children canoeing without training. At Girl Scout camp we had to swamp our canoe and get it and our selves back to shore in a supervised trial before we were allowed on a very placid lake. Add the low temperature and it seems even crazier that they were so ill prepared. I dove into cold water on a hot spring day and even though I was a good swimmer I was frightened for a moment that I didn’t have the strength to swim back to shore. It was such a shock.
It's crazy they had minimal training.
No Canoe should sink due to a capsize.They did not check for buoyancy. I'm.not sure it would have helped because they did not receive the training that you did in the Girl Scouts. They lake conditions and low temperature would have weakened any full grown adult. I'm bewildered about the corporal punishment. It would have been a red flag for my parents in the 70s.
This was no girl guides trip, this was torture, both physically and emotionally.
They didn't make us do that, but they did make us prove we could paddle a canoe.
@@Alsatiagent-zu1rx Sadly not for everyone. My Dad and his siblings had corporal punishment both at school and at home.
Honestly, “build character” and “toughen up” are red flag phrases for me. They so often seem to mean “putting children in inhumane conditions until they break.”
Yeah, I hear you. More than one flag. Abuse. Pedophilia. The teachers' own lack of accomplishment and self-esteem, etc.
@elisabethmontegna5412 Amen. "Winging it" and finding out whether you'll succumb to hypothermia or not has nothing to do with building character. The school was too cheap and lazy to run a decent program, so they pretended that this ...cluster... would magically accomplish something for them. Get your kids a pet, that's a better way to build character, and teach them to swim ... that's the way to build swimming.
Anything with the purpose of making you stronger should be 100% voluntary with the fact in mind that not everyone achieves personal growth in the same way. Such a sad and avoidable story
"You take all the safety precautions you can take..." WOW, delusional 😮
Exactly! How can you say that when you hadn’t even done swimming lessons?
100%
How do they NOT have an emergency procedure in place. Pure negligence!
What year and planet did they live on back then?
@@TriniLush7in the 1900s they banned shipping on the lake, but not canoeing. This story is from the 80s making it well in range for good weather documenting for at least Ontario. Toronto had very good documenting systems for weather history across Ontario. From what I’ve learned each province has their own paper documents in an area for weather events
And pure ego. Considering how many incidents there’d been in the past, and the toxic attitude towards the benefits of hardship, I’m sure there was a great deal of “if things go bad they’ll push through like we tell them to” thinking. Unfortunately, for people with that mindset, “dangerous” rarely means anything but “character building”, and considering what could go wrong is seen as cowardice.
This mindset leads to overconfidence and ignorance, ends up injuring and/or killing a lot of thrill-seekers, and I’m amazed it took that long for something like this to happen to their students. Sure, the school had some excellent concepts in practice for giving strong-willed and over-competitive boys a good start towards their futures, but that always has to be balanced with common sense, precautions and awareness; of which was sorely lacking,
They were for troubled kids for the most part, they didn't care about wellbeing, just torture that was supposed to build character. It didn't work and ya adults did the training but kids are kids. This was torture.
Um did you not watch the video
Very nicely made film. Very tragic story. In 1983, I was a boy (not in any of the mentioned schools) on a canoe trip in Ontario. Before starting the trip, we prepared for MONTHS. We took several shorter trips, we practiced portaging, we practiced capsizing and righting the canoe in the water. We practiced what to do in cases of hypothermia. Our leaders had been on many such trips beforehand. It sounds as if the schools mentioned here took it all too llightly.
Also why did they not consider the weather? It changes everything. And why not choose the river for canoeing? If the river is not very wide and rapid then it is easier to get to the shore? There are different difficulties of bodies of water and a sane person would start at the easiest one and progress from there. And always consider the weather.
What a horrendous story, a complete waste of those young boys lives. Can’t believe the school wasn’t sued out of existence.
Apparently there was only one family who briefly considered suing but then never did in the end.
@@adventuresgonewrongthat part blows my mind. How were the families not pushing for wrongful death lawsuits?
It was a different time. Abusing and k**ing children was cultural accepted.
These schools and programs to “toughen up boys” never seem to go well. Not then, and not now. 😧
No idea if such schools still exist. I mean, what’s wrong with your garden variety scouting group.
They're just institutionalized abuse.
Toxic masculinity at play
Beating boys usually results in either broken boys or batterers. Or both.
Maybe some reformers.
@@herstoryanimatedhow can you say those words in that sequence without considering the frail psyches of overgrown man-children trained to strike out at anything that deviates from patriarchal tradition?!?!?
A similar tragedy occurred in Dorset, England in 1993 at Lyme Bay. Four kids died when the weather worsened and one after another their kayaks capsized and they all ended up in the freezing water. The causes were the same; instructors not qualified, too high a student/instructor ratio and they were ill-equipped and not trained for emergencies. Soldiers are better looked after than school children, I was a boy-soldier (16) in 1976 and every adventure training expedition I took part in had qualified instructors, the right equipment and we were trained in advance. Risk is always a factor but risk can be minimised by good planning and preparation. Thank you, I hadn't heard of this sad but preventable story.
Holy crap, never heard about this. On top of all that the coastguard seems to have been very slow to call the lifeboats. Fortunately one of the helmsmen was out on his boat anyway and managed to pick up two of the survivors (near West Bay. When they were supposed to be landing in Charmouth. Bloody hell).
When you say boy-soldier, is this army cadets or something else?
It's extra surprising to me that nobody had any training for handling emergencies at all. Not only would it have saved lives but you'd think that kind of training would be perfect for building confidence and teamwork and the skills needed to handle adversity like they were supposedly trying to do.
Literally what else were they doing if not teaching this
@@Foxiesz Beating the boys, it sounds like.
These people who are obsessed with taking risks always act like they’re the victims of an unpredictable tragedy when something inevitably goes wrong. Children should never have been left in these type of people’s care, risk your own life if that’s what you want but if you’re going to go into something unprepared because it’s more of an “adventure” you should never be allowed to bring children
Parts of this story made me think it was more like a cult than a school, the lack of safety measures when taking a school party is crazy, another really well reported video thanks.
Almost cult-like, the parents were totally sucked in, worked there, helped build the school and that's a huge part of why they were so supportive after this happened.
Yeah even back in the 70s this kind of thing was not considered normal, or even acceptable to most people
This sounds like a nightmare of massive ego, toxic masculinity, and weak parents hoping someone else would fix their kids. I have some limited experience canoeing and camping in the US North Woods and, wow, this is not at all how you do it.
I don't understand how people think you have to break someone to then rebuild them. If you have a solid foundation the structure is a lot more sound. These kids had no proper training. They weren't prepared. The weather was bad. This is negligence. I don't understand parents who think they have to put their kids in danger to build character. You know what builds character? Not dying!
This makes me incredibly angry. Why would you ever put young lives in danger like this. You do not need life-threatening danger to experience an adventure! Getting a group of teenagers to work together to put up a tent and to cook dinner on the fire / portable stove is adventorous enough.
What got to me is that some of the boys were really small and couldn't physically do as much as the others but were still expected to.
It was the times pre sensitivities days.
It was just another way to deal with boys from feckless parents.
Even today the issues are still there.
A common thread in these stories is lack of preparation and ignoring the advice and experience of locals. Thank you again for your amazing storytelling.
Those boys could've done farm work, or the equivalent, along with reminders of what it takes for many people to survive in this world. That's how they did it in 4H. It was tough, but definitely not torture.
@@DerpRulesAllWhat is/was 4H? Thanks.
@@Robutube1 4-H ("Head/Heart/Hands & Health") is a US based network of youth organizations, It is one of the first youth organizations (founded in 1912) to give equal attention to both genders. There are 4-H organizations in over 50 countries worldwide.
I remember attending annual fairs each summer where 4-H youth showcased the domesticated animals they raised (cows, sheep, pigs, etc). It was my favorite part of going to the fair because of all the animals!😊
Adversity can make us stronger. But to manufacture adversity is insane. Life itself presents enough challenges, we don't need to make it harder. These people were insane. Not to be trusted with children. No way. It's a shame they didn't sue. I imagine a lot of bad things happened to a lot of boys before they finally shut down operations.
There was absolutely no planning whatsoever for this trip! Staff basically told the boys,”we’re going to go out there and wing it!” Every parent who lost a child, or not, should’ve sued the hell out of these incompetent morons!!
@DA-bp8lf They could have sued, but the school didn't have any money. The only way to get anything from a lawsuit would have been if the school had insurance coverage for negligence. These schools didn't even pay their teachers. I knew someone who worked at the Manitoba school, and was even offered a 'job' there myself, but these were essentially volunteer positions.
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This story genuinely enraged me when I first heard it
It’s one thing to take risks for yourself but quite another to take risks with other people’s children. The lack of safety training and preparation were scandalous. A tragic and unnecessary loss of life. Let’s hope there are no more “schools” like this one out there today that abuse children to “toughen them up.”
Tough love is one thing but putting your kids lives in physical danger that’s a whole other can of worms…
Tough without the Love.
This Byfield dude sounds like a complete and utter horror of a human. What kind of childhood did he have to endure to be this lacking in any emotion but pride?
As someone who went to an adventure camp, and watched someone tip one of those big canoes on purpose to dump the other kids, I am immensely thankful there was a bigger boat nearby to help. Those poor boys.
I was in Army cadets and we did outdoor stuff in challenging weather. But we recieved training and had instructors that cared about keeping us safe. They pushed our limits, sure, but we had the equipment we needed etc. It did toughen us up.
Safety is so important. Yes adventures have risk but you really don't want something bad to happen - That only takes away from any enjoyment.
On the mourne walk (Northern Ireland) this summer, we got really bad rain, we pushed through for a while, but decided to turn back. We hadn't even made the first mourne wall on our route. It brightened up again, then poured again. We weren't taking any unnecessary risk.
Incredibly sad. They were just young boys.
The parents continued to support the school because that would bolster the argument that the choice of this school was reasonable and the incident was just a freak accident.
There was less awareness o the part of parents back in the 60s and 70s. Some of my experiences: Taking a canoe with a friend at 12 and paddling far away from shore, counselors never noticed. Two 15 year old junior counselors, me and another, taking full charge of 40 10 year olds, such as hiking in a terrific thunderstorm. A group of campers and one counselor getting lost and, with no food, eating bullfrogs for dinner. Things were disorganized and ad hoc. Parents didn't pay attention.
Hold up how long were y'all lost for that you decided to eat bull frogs??
That's true. I grew up during this time and parents simply didn't care as much. And they words of teachers always were law. If they called you lazy and simply too weak you definitely were and needed to be toughened up.
@@bluecat2741 My sister and I used to attend camp for two weeks each summer in Ontario in the late 60's. They taught us how to canoe, swim, cook and all the other summer activities kids like to do. We slept in cabins and the camp had a special cabin just for meals.
We were very well cared for and our parents would have never sent us off to a camp that subjected children to take on any risks outside what they would have subjected us to. It was the most wonderful experience and it breaks my heart to hear about this terrible tragedy. Those poor boys.
@@krystlships : Just one night! It was a valuable life skill, learning how to catch and prepare them
Tragedy. Whoever organized this trip was a complete imbecile. They had kids who couldn’t swim? No business being in a canoe. Once again great video.
Yeah. You can't claim that you were taking reasonable risk and that it was simply a freak accident when you haven't given anyone even the most basic training. Even on the calmest lake, those boys should have known how to swim and paddle and how to handle a canoe inevitably flipping. What a horrible tragedy
a lot of wisdom in your closing words. thank you!
There are for profit bootcamp schools for unruly kids today that have stuff like this that goes on. The stories are horrific. Kids have died from dehydration and heat exposure
I don't understand how they expect young boys with no training to be put out there. I find it hard to believe anything the leaders said. They took no precautions, none. Also, this was not a school who disciplined with love, seriously reminds me of a less harsh residential schools. At least these kids weren't hidden in the the ground.
One of my classmates was on that trip. He was adopted by one of the parents who lost their son on the trip. When he told the story it sounded like it was a long time ago but it was only a few years.
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I read a book about this incident. Such a tragedy for the boys … deserved by the adults. ❤️🇨🇦
Risk should be met with preparation, not bravado. Especially with children involved, running off into the wilderness without proper gear or instruction is being foolhardy. What else did they expect?! The fact that it took that long for a tragedy to occur was pure luck. Shame on them!
Thanks so much for your content! You always do an amazing job presenting. Plus, I just ADORE your dogs! I love seeing them snoozing behind you!!! This story on Timiskaming is a tragedy. I just don’t understand how the teachers, who should have known what they were doing, would take the canoes out on water that rough. I’ve only been to that lake once, but I didn’t like the lake. It was a summer day, but the wind was horrendous and the water was brown and so rough. Poor kids didn’t stand a chance. What a sad story!
What an absolute travesty! Inexcusable.
The parents of dead boys must have felt, among other things, tremendous guilt for putting their sons in such danger, whether or not they rationalized their decision to send them to that school.
Years ago, I went on two single-person-raft rafting trips, both led by excellent local outfitters. The two trips were my only rafting experiences, though I've always been comfortable and competent in boats. The men who ran my trips gave us helmets and life vests to wear, made sure that we could all swim, and taught us what to do if the raft flipped or we fell out. We practiced paddling in a calmer part of the river before tackling the rapids. One outfitter was in a lead raft and another was in a raft that followed us. We took the trip in sections. We stopped in a protected place each time we reached a new section. The outfitters told us what conditions to expect ahead, and how to deal with them. The first trip was on the river at a low-flow water stage (lots of rocks that were visible, somewhat shallow water between them). The second was on the same river after a dam was opened up and the water was very high. It was like rafting on two different rivers: very challenging in different ways. My groups included teenagers, middle aged folks, and people in their mid-sixties. We all made the trip both times in good shape, no spills, no getting stranded. I watched people in other groups who were with much less competent guides _frequently_ get into trouble. In fact, one of the hardest part of rafting for me was steering clear of people in those groups who were in trouble (coasting backward, out of control, getting stuck in backward flowing currents, for instance). I don't think anyone got into serious danger during either of those days (though some did end up in very cold, fast-moving water), but I sure was glad to be with the expert, responsible outfitters.
Death marching innocent children. Wow ~
Thanks for posting. Not easy listening, but an important story to disclose.
I went on a three week canoe trip not far from there just three years later. I had very little experience and the organizers were upfront about a boy drowning on one of their trips. But I never once felt as if I was in danger as there were only two people in each canoe, one of whom was a well trained adult. Even when we got caught in a storm and one of the canoes swamped I was not afraid. My sternsman quickly dropped me off on a tiny island (I froze my ass off event though it was the middle of summer) and went to help the swamped canoe get to shore. Probably we were in some significant danger but the coolness and actions of the leaders kept us all calm. I wonder what would have happened if we had "leaders" like the guys in the video.
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Water can be absolutely brutal. I imagine a combination of shock and self-preservation led to no tears.
Adversity is a necessary part of our lives. Unfortunately, this isn't it. It is abuse, straight up.
For some reason allowing your children to be supervised by men who are basically strangers isn't considered criminal child endangerment. The idea that people lack the adult understanding of the world they live in to such an extent as to let little boys go off for days with men into the wilderness is the kind of crime a child would commit - something atrocious done in innocence.
Your dogs are so heart warming! You are a part of their family, at least that's probably how they see it
This was criminal negligence - the school should have been sued. To take children, totally untrained and unprepared with guides and teachers totally unprepared was ludicrous. That's not toughing anyone up but sheer insanity. The concept of the school was good but went too far.
Excellent storytelling. Thank you for researching events which aren't widely known outside Canada.
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Thanks!
Thank you Adventures Gone Wrong. This breaks my heart. These were children, not men going off into battle! May the rest in eternal peace. My condolences to their surviving loved ones.
Off topic: I love your beautiful dogs. I cannot believe I saw FOUR!!! I'm so glad you all have each other. Very precious.
Even if you believe adventure requires some amount of risk, you can still prepare for emergency situations, try not to antagonize risk, and actually train people on what to do when an emergency situation does occur. This is just abuse and murder
As always, I hit like before even watching because with this chanel content, I've NEVER been disappointed 😊
Appreciate that!
Most school trips do not have an emergency procedure planned.
Thank you for not letting this tragedy go unforgotten.
Yayy another video this week!
On a roll haha
Those parents failed their kids 🙄
Love your videos, you always do such a great job explaining the situation and what happened. And they are typically stories I’ve never heard of before, and I really appreciate that.
2:27 “in 1971 a student collapsed and died…”
10:34 “st. john’s had been organizing trips since 1962 and no-one had died yet…”
… wait, what?
Totally exhausted and traumatized, just like soldiers...
The marine corp bootcamp
Great coverage of the story as always. ❤
What an awful story. I'm speechless and dumbfounded 😢.
You are an amazing storyteller. I live on the opposite side of the world to you (Tasmania, Australia). You are taking me on journeys to new places and stories (well... new to me 😊). Also, I'm fascinated with Canada so your own stories of where you live are fascinating as well. Thank you. Keep up the awesome work 😀🎉.
I see nothing beneficial to these boys doing this training. You can have adventures without risks. I feel bad for anyone on this trip that died. I can’t imagine the pain the families went through. Thank you for this video.
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Truly horrific, may the kids left in peace ❤
What an excellent presentation of an adventure gone wrong that I have never heard about. This was so very tragic in so many ways - the boys did not receive the pre-trip preparation they very much needed and there seemed little oversight of the potential dangers. This made me think about another tragedy that I only know through a fictionalized version as captured in the movie "White Squall" starring Jeff Bridges. There were young male teenagers aboard the Albatross in the 1960s for a 9-month learning and "growing into men" experience along with teachers, captain, and a cook. Two survivors wrote books which are hard to find and expensive: The Last Voyage of the Albatross by Charles Gieg (student survivor); and White Squall: The Last Voyage of Albatross by Richard Langford (teacher survivor). After hearing that the movie was fictionalized, I've always been interested in the true account.
Ooh I forgot about that movie. I'm going to look more into that story, thx!
@@adventuresgonewrong I wish I hadn't remembered that movie But I had no idea there were books...now, off to the rabbit hole!
Paddling without training is insane! When I was in university I joined the rowing team. It was entirely run by the students, and even then they wouldn't allow you to get in the boat without one month of land training. Even when we finally got to the river we had to paddle while sitting on the dock. The team leaders would not allow you in the boat if you didn’t get the technique right. If the wind was too strong or there was some issue with the boats, the organizing students would cancel the practice right away. It blows my mind that you can have full-grown adults managing the situation so recklessly. I am sorry, but no amount of community collaboration on that school makes them any less responsible for such a senseless tragedy.
thats so tragic 😥. Thanks for another video! I love your content.
I think the idea of this school is great, but having been in the Army, men almost ALWAYS overestimate their abilities and are willing to risk lives for ego. I can’t tell you how many arguments I got into with my commanders about wanting to do dumb things like forcing a bunch of out-of-shape kids to march 25 miles before a live fire range or doing a road march in 95 degree F weather in MOPP-4. Even when I said to do the 25 mile road march after the live fire range, I was down voted. He had to medevac 90% of the company with his MOPP-4 fiasco. Another commander refused to listen to an old demo NCO when he told him to not use star cluster flares for smoke, since we’d run out of smoke grenades. The CO refused to listen and aimed the star cluster at a berm which bounced off the dirt and landed in another NCO’s lap burning off his genitals. So there needs to be someone in authority who has sanity to review these situations and say NO. It’s not weak to plan ahead and to err on the side of caution.
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Great video, very informative!
This seems adjacent to the whole troubled teen industry that has lead to multiple deaths in the US. The podcast Behind the Bastards recently did a great series on it, highly recommend (although he quotes an article by Krakauer throughout, and while it's a good article from him, every time the name came up all I could think of was your SHP video!). Abuse =/= toughness!
Great timing! I was looking for something good to watch.
Me too!!
Yay!
This some woman is great . She includes all angles, is so factual & has intense compassion. & humility . 🦄 💜
Those poor boys have been failed by their parents and their teachers
Hello,
Your loyal follower since the very beginning.
First of all, thank you for all the hard work and passion you put into your releases! Though these things are tragic, but as a person who loves hiking, canoeing, horseback riding, etc. I've always liked to learn of other people's mistakes and decisions (be it correct ones or not) in order to learn more.
Secondly, this particular story rings a bell so hard that you wouldn't believe it. I live on the Northern part of the biggest lake in Europe - Ladoga lake (17 870 km2 ; 200 km * 80 km). It was created during ice age by the melting glacier, as was the whole Karelia generally. It is technically cast in the granite, so there are many small islands with minor granite hills and mountains (up to 80 m), rocky and sometimes very steep shores. The lake bottom in my area can be very steep too. There are places around my island where you walk for 2-3 meters away from the shore with only 1 meter of depth and then you reach an underwater "cliff" and it goes rapidly down to 25 meters below. The maximal depth is around 230 m.
So what am I talking about? Many tourists and visitors from other parts of Russia, and especially people from cities, somehow tend to neglect the fact that this "lake" generally behaves as sea. Character is close to the one of the Baltic sea. Those who know realise that it is a very nasty and cranky character. From a total flat water it can turn into 1-2 meter waves within 20-30 minutes. Maximal wave heights are up to 6 m. We can add strong underwater currents and it is a deadly combo. Oh yeah, the water temperature... +14 to +17 C during summer.
Personally, before setting off on a canoe or a motor boat (doesn't matter really) I observe the weather forecast via special programmes for pilots to monitor the wind speed sector by sector until the very last moment. Radio, GPS beacon and route coordination with our Ministry of Emergency Situations is a reasonable must if one wants to play it safe. Many people laugh that I'm "too scared" or that "I'm overdoing it", etc. Funny is they are never local. By the way, I never venture further than 1 km away from shore on this lake once on canoe. Not suicidal.
As a result, every year we have plenty of missing people and even full boats. Usually those are people who ventured off on their own - without local "captain" behind the steering wheel of the boat. Not only that, but also various injuries... People forget that winds are fast to change here and waves fast to form. So they do not care about being ready to hold onto something when on boat (one person had a compressive backbone fracture this year). Those whose boat capsizes close to shores quite often smash their legs on underwater granite boulders that can sporadically stick out (it's not a flat bottom, but rocky after all), some are "helped" by strong waves and are smashed on the rocks on the shores. But as I said, such cases usually result in injuries.
These things are made public. A lot of instructions are given via all media, personally, etc. People just do not listen. They think it's "just another lake - it's called a "lake" after all". Yeah. 1000 years ago Novgorod people called this place "Nevomore", which means "sea Nevo".
But what stuns me the most is the lack of responsibility of those who drag their friends or clients (guides from other regions) into an extremely risky environment without properly learning about it first.
PS: And sure we do have various cases with lost people in Taiga forests in our region (summer or winter), people attacked by bears, wolves, boars, elks, and every spring there is a "tradition" - some fishermen do not follow basic voice of reason and instinct and keep venturing off onto the melting ice of various lakes.
Oh ohhhh I've been waiting for this! Thank you!
it's not a tragedy, it's a crime. it was pretty easy to to see taht if local adults with a great deal of experience wouldn't go on it, kids with no experience should not be on it.
You hit the nail on the head.
Very sad story 😢
Another great video!
Ill prepared adventures are always fun and games and "nobody has died before" until people are dead from predictable circumstances. Then it suddenly becomes "We did everything we could and nobody could've foreseen this!"
You should consider covering the English Calamity. Happened around WWII with very similar circumstances to this story.
Another great segment. Thank you and I learn every time!
Acting like you did everything to prepare for a canoe trip when you have a member that can’t swim is impressive.
Great job digging for lesser known stories to tell
A new video!! Watching now 😁
The creators of these "schools" should have been criminally charged. Don't try and excuse them by saying things were "different in the 70's."
I see you have two little friends there 😊 Thanks for sharing the story.
I grew up in the 70’s and there were many institutions with this same mindset & philosophy. If you got into trouble like I did you were sent to one of these schools, military school being the most common. The idea behind them and what they were trying to teach was solid but the execution was poor and in many cases would be considered brutal & illegal in today’s world.
I find canoes heavy, bulky and difficult to maneuver on a glass-like peaceful water, let alone in churning waves. The canoe in that picture looks really high and unwieldy. Regardless, 12 to 14 years old children going the way of "French explorers" is madness. 60 kilometers "snowshoe race" is madness. I get it that boys enjoy and thrive with activities and adventures, but these particular activities sound more like marine-level readiness program, and these were young children. Heartbreaking. Thank you for telling their story; I didn't hear about this tragedy before.
I feel the founders of this school would have done well to read Apsley Cherry-Garrard’s memoir “The worst journey in the world”.
On the other hand, they seem like the sort of people who would tout man-hauling as *the* way to traverse the poles, because that’s how the British Navy did it back in the day.
You would think that being able to swim would be a mandatory requirement.
abuse and neglect, or what was considered "good parenting" back in the day.
Whoever planned it Shud be jailed!!... :)
In the 80's My girls summer camp did an overnight canoe trip, I was only 7 years old, to give some perspective. Too tired to notice the inadequate trail food...
Nobody sued? You gotta be kidding
I’m Gen x and it triggers me to no end to see such senseless deaths.
We are the generation that had to toughen up almost daily with parents who mostly gave a shit what we went through.
The whole idea to shape boys into men through suffering is idiotic.
How brain dead were those leaders?
… and the insensitive comments afterwards!
Including parents who still supported the school. That sounds more like a cult than an education philosophy.
You sound angry.
GenX and toughen up shouldn't be said in the same breath, let alone the same sentence, that's rich
Thanks for the video. Sad story! 😢
After this incident, did the grueling hardship come to an end, by any chance?
My mom lives in Campbellford, just a 20 minute drive from Peterborough and I’ve seen the Canoe Museum. Next time I’ll definitely visit. What a sad story.