Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?
“You are my son” and “You are my son, today I have begotten you” (KJV) give two totally different meanings. Stopping in the middle of God’s sentence, to give it your own meaning, is the definition of taking it out of context. I might as well say God never said “You are…” to an angel and expect someone to take me seriously. This approach would put you at variance with the book of Job. Because Job 1:6 calls satan’s Angels, Sons of God and Job 38:7 calls God’s Angels, sons of God. Therefore Sons of God is a biblical title for angels. However no angel can be called the BEGOTTEN Son of God. Because Jesus is the ONLY begotten of the Father. And that’s clearly the message Hebrews 1:5 is seeking to convey.
@@adamalexander5216 Hello Adam, have you considered the term 'sons of God' to be those in a covenant relationship with God, and not a type of created being? I was looking for a definition and could only find: ~ Romans 8:14; "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Can we know who were being led by the Spirit of God in Genesis 6? Genesis 6:3 defines the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6:2. ~ Genesis 6; (2) the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. (3) Then the LORD said, “My 'Spirit' shall not 'ABIDE' in 'MAN' forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” So, God is removing His Spirit from 'angels'? NO, 'MAN'! Again, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." We know that: ~ Genesis 4:26; To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. 'THEN MEN BEGAN TO CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD.' Something about these marriages made MAN wicked and MAN was consumed with evil thoughts continually, and God was sorry He had made MAN, and decided to blot out MAN from the face of the earth. What is missing? Fallen angels producing Halfbreed demigods. Here is an example of what happened in Gen 6 and throughout the OT: ~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; “Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you.
@@adamalexander5216 said: Adam- "This approach would put you at variance with the book of Job. Because Job 1:6 calls satan’s Angels, Sons of God and Job 23:7 calls God’s Angels, sons of God." Me - ~ Job 1:5-7; "When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and 'CONSECRATE' them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” (Summary) ~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but burnt offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job. ~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’. ~ Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony. Adam Also 'God's angels 'sons of God': ~ Job 23:7; “There the upright would reason with Him; And I would be delivered forever from my Judge. I re-read this 10 times, it makes as much sense as MacArthur saying that women praying or prophesying with their heads uncovered make angels libido go crazy... but if the women are not praying ho-hum.
@@adamalexander5216 You have missed the crux of @gramps5157 question. “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"? There is no scripture where God (the Father) ever proclaims that He is the Father of angels... only speculation. ~ Job 1:5-7; "When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and 'CONSECRATE' them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” (Summary) ~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but burnt offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job. ~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’. * Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony. * Men present themselves to God on earth all the time: ~ Joshua 24:1; Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and summoned the elders, the heads, the judges, and the officers of Israel. And they presented themselves before God. (Shechem was on earth not in heaven). * Although God never proclaims He is the 'FATHER' of angels, He is the FATHER of His people here: ~ 1 Chronicles 17:13; I will be to him (Solomon) a Father, and he shall be to me a son. ~ 1 Chronicles 28:6; ‘It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his Father. ~ 1 Chronicles 29:10; And David said: “Blessed are you, O LORD, the God of Israel our Father, forever and ever. ~ Psalm 68:5; Father of the fatherless and protector of widows is God in his holy habitation. ~ Psalm 89:26; He shall cry to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.' ~ Isaiah 63:16; For you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us, you, O LORD, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name. ~ Jeremiah 3:19; How I would set you among my sons, and give you a pleasant land, a heritage most beautiful of all nations. And I thought you would call me, My Father, and would not turn from following me. * That should be enough, but there are probably hundreds of passages where God proclaims He is the Father of His people and just as many passages that His people or Israel are called His children or sons. * Now show me scripture where angels are 'specifically named' (not presumed) as God's children, sons or that He is the Father of them. God Bless and Look Up
Did God suspend His natural law in Genesis 1? All creation reproduces after their own kind, that is every creature and even plants. Are angel's DNA compatible with human DNA, or do angels have DNA as they are spirit beings? ~ Is it possible that faithful humans can be called 'sons of God'? Romans 8:14 ~ For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God. ~ Why are the 'sons of God' (angels) exclusively unique from the other 'sons of God' (humans) if all scripture is inspired by the same God? Is God the author of confusion? ~ Here are some human 'sons of God' from the Bible: Luke 3:38 ~ the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Deuteronomy 14:1 ~ You are the sons of the Lord your God... Matthew 5:9 ~ Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. Hosea 1:10 ~ ...“You are the sons of the living God.” Galatians 3:26 ~ For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:19 ~ For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God. ~ Did God destroy the world because of giant angel/human hybrids, or because the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually (Gen 6:5)? ~ If the 'sons of God' (Gen 6) were actually 'people' that abandoned their faith in God and were enticed to idolatry by beautiful women and intimidating giants, would Satan ever again use this tactic? Let's look at scripture: ~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you. ~ Nehemiah 13:25; You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. ~ Exodus 34:16; ...and you take some of his daughters for your sons and his daughters play the harlot with their gods, and his daughters would play the prostitute with their gods and cause your sons also to play the prostitute with their gods. ~ Joshua 23:12&16; ...and intermarry with them so that you associate with them and they with you & then the anger of the Lord will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you. ~ 1 Kings 11:2; ...& you shall not associate with them, neither shall they associate with you for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods. Solomon held fast to these in love. ~ Ezra 9:14; ...shall we again break thy commandments and intermarry with the peoples who commit these abominations? Would You not be angry with us to the point of destruction, until there is no remnant nor any who escape? ~ 1 Kings 11:4; For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. ~ There are reasonable explanations for abnormalities without bringing in silly pagan writings of 450 ft tall giants.
Thank you for your explanation and backing it up with verses. I'm having a hard time not believing both his explanation and yours but I know only one of them is correct. He seems to back his up with other stories like the angels taking the form of men multiple times and angels also being alled sons of God. And you prove yours with many verses showing men being referred to as sons of God. I'm having a hard time with it. Is there anything else you can point me to? Thank you.
@@jimsolmer1292 Hello Jim, I recently watched a TH-cam video by 'Masterpiece Bible' named, "Who are the SONS OF GOD in Genesis 6? | In-depth textual analysis | Bible study" that is much more convincing than I could ever be. John MacArthur mentions 1 Corinthians 11:10 that women should cover their heads because of the angels, implying that angels will be unable to control their sexual desire if they see a woman's hair. This is nonsense, because these verses are all about submitting to God's structure of the proper authority. Note that the immediate context mentions that the wives head should be covered while 'PRAYING OR PROPHESYING' apparently all other times the angels are not aroused.. this is silly. This is what I believe this scripture is all about: First century church had the men and women separate with the women in the balconies. Women in defiance could remove their head covering without the husband noticing, but Paul is reminding them that angels are there. Best wishes and God Bless
@@jimsolmer1292 Here is something you may consider. Who are 'the sons of God' in Genesis 6:2? The only biblical definition is in: ~ Romans 8:14; "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Is it possible that the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6:2 is defined in Genesis 6:3? ~ Genesis 6 (2) the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. (3) Then the LORD said, “My 'SPIRIT' shall not 'ABIDE' in 'MAN' forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” ESV Something about these marriages is causing God to remove His 'Spirit' from who? MAN "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Note that the wickedness of MAN was great, and the continual evil thoughts of MAN grieved the Lord so that He was sorry he made MAN. There is no mention of angels until Genesis 16. There is much speculation about the Nephilim being giants and the product of angel/women unions. Somehow, they survived the flood and God failed to completely irradicate them. Nephilim (Hebrew definition: 'fallen ones') the LXX added gigante or 'giants' to the definition centuries later. What if the Hebrew definition of Nephilim (fallen ones) applies here. ~Psalm 53 2-3; "God looks down from heaven on the children of man to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all 'FALLEN AWAY'; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one." This emphasis is on the moral decay of MAN, not some demigod race, and that fits the narrative of Genesis 6. God Bless
@@jimsolmer1292 said, " He seems to back his up with other stories like the angels taking the form of men multiple times and angels also being (c)alled sons of God." I know of no 'fallen angel' in the Bible taking the form of men, only loyal angels serving God. Notice that the rebellion happened before Genesis 6 when that beautiful angel of light 'Lucifer', rebelled and became Satan tempting Eve in the garden. He was unable to appear as a beautiful angel, but he possessed a serpent. I believe demon possession is fallen angels that possess people because they are demonic spirits that are unable to appear as humans.
Heb 1:5 "For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”?". This verse indicates that no, angels are not sons of God.
The angel interpretation of Genesis 6:2 is by far the best, but if these fallen angels merely possessed humans in order to procreate with humans, that still leaves the question as to why their offspring would be anything other than human. And yet, there is also no reason to think that fallen angles could reproduce on their own. I think that's probably the most we can say for certain. Perhaps MacArthur is correct. Or perhaps the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim are the actual demons, and the fallen angels are simply held captive in eternal chains under gloomy darkness. But I can't be sure.
Rubbish. If you would take the time to read the rest of scriptures you would see that God continuously over and over again forbids marriage between believing men and women and the ungodly unbelieving men and women. It is nothing but trouble when that Union materializes and God sends continual warning. That is what's biblical that's the account repeated over and over and that's good Doctrine. Not some fantasy half person half demon hybrid animal thing. That's Egyptian and Greek theology and pure rubbish. Many good Christians though fall for this Hook Line & sinker.
All the ancients believed MacArthur's understanding. The Jewish Talmud, Josephus, etc., etc. The modern Seth Cain nonsense came up after Jesus Christ and in the early church age - Augustus and others. Even the mythology matches the demonic mindset. Demigods, Mt. Olympus, Hercules, etc.
@@aaronloomis8750 Why are demons taking on wives? Because "they left their first estate." This is why a great many fallen angels have been locked up even before the final judgment. MacArthur explains this in this message. If you knew the topic you would know this passage. The classic Biblical scriptures that everyone KNOWS who has studied this topic are Genesis 6:1-4, II Peter 2 and Jude. The Jewish Talmud and Josephus are fables? Hardly. All the ancients agree with what MacArthur shares. Most modern scholars are in lockstep with each other as light has recently come upon this subject. Prophecy conferences I have attended are likewise in unison. A good book to read to educate yourself on this theme is what is rapidly becoming a classic book on this subject: Fallen: The Sons of God and the Nephilim Book by Tim Chaffey.
John MacArthur says, "There is no way that men in the Old Testament are designated as 'sons of God." Deuteronomy 14:1 "You are sons of the LORD your God... " Hosea 1:10 “You are the sons of the living God.” Can we agree that the 'living God' and the 'Lord your God' is at least the same God? Romans 8:14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God."
@@larrymoore2571 well to make it worse some say, sons of god, fallen angels took human women and became Nephilem and worse became other things like Dogmen and Sasquatch crazy times we live in! I’ve even heard that DNA tests have said that mitacondrial dna tests have proved human dna on the mother side and unknown on the father side ?? Crazy times🤷
It amazes me how these supposed men of God can so badly mess up what the Bible clearly tells us. Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, Also....1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
@@robertjackson8790 if you need this explained to you then I suggest you pray fervently and without ceasing asking for knowledge, understanding and wisdom
@robertjackson8790 Never mind the insensitive answer to your question. He's referring to scriptures in the New Testament basically saying that at no time did God call angels His sons. But the term "sons of God" was the common term for angels in the Old Testament. There's more to his comment also but don't worry about other people's theology. Just ask the Lord for wisdom and He will give it liberally and without reproach (James 1:5). Sorry that another so-called Christian would treat your serious question with such disdain and disrespect. God bless you brother!
@@mikemartinez842 it's not my theology, it's written in the Bible, but I suppose that's easy to confuse when you choose to believe "common terms" over actual scripture.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the (sons of God), even to them that believe on his name: Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the (sons of God.) Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the (sons of God.) Phi 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, (the sons of God), without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the (sons of God:) therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the (sons of God,) and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Don't trust anyone, study the word of God for yourself! Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: ((the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.))
These scriptures relate to sons of God through adoption- the idea is that we, sons of God through adoption will replace in God's divine congregation and judge those sons of God (angels) who did not keep their first estate in Gen 6.
@@larrymoore2571 could you then explain the origins of the Nephilims? There is no definite interpretation to that scripture but I think the context has given a clue. Now, I know the book of Enoch is not inspired but it has relevant information that can help us understand better the text. If Peter and Jude could make reference to the book of Enoch, then it makes sense to join the dots with information it provides. Unless if you want to tell me that the Bible has every information we ever needed. John says many things have Jesus done that could not be written ( no scroll or parchments could hold)
People. Yes. The sons of God in Gen.6 refer to the angels. These are the angels in Jude 6 and 7 that are in chains as an example. That is where the nephilim came from.
No where in the text are angels mentioned, no where! The text is talking about men from start to finish! I hear it continually that the “ sons of God” are angels, and that that is how angels are referred to in Job. It is a wrong reading of these passages. Look in the genealogy of Jesus in Lukes gospel and you will see Adam called the son of God. Even in the legacy standard bible masters seminary just released. Although you might say in the text the word son isn’t used to describe Adam the translators saw the word son used from christ to Adam, they used son to bring out the flow of what was being said. Adam was the son of God. The Nephilim were men of old, men of renown. They weren’t half angel, half men! Not the offspring of angels and human women. In the epistle to the hebrews jesus had to be made in every way like his brethren, and the world and creation is not subject to angels but to Abrahams seed!!! You take this angels having sex with women to far and what if an angel had sex with a half angel half women, you get a three quarters angel one quarter woman offspring. It’s ridiculous! We are to stay away from controversial things, myths and old wives fables!! Angels are spirits, women flesh and blood!! The entire text is talking about men spreading out on the earth and they saw how beautiful mens daughters were and married whoever they wanted to, then God says He will not strive with men .
@@peteryoung4974my question of you Angel deniers is- what does belief in this doctrine take away from the gospel? If it takes away from the gospel then I would consider it a dangerous doctrine. But it doesn’t as far as I can see.
Well he’s incredibly wrong about “this is where sin entered in with humanity” or how we ended up in a fallen world. The world was fallen before the sons of god decided to chase some tail. Sin was clearly already here. They taught man a lot of bad stuff sure but fallen angels or demons are not the reason humans are corrupted or fallen. They ate from the tree. God said not to. Therefore sin was into the world. MacArthur should know this…it’s weird he doesn’t seem to.
What about Jesus own words: “Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.” Matthew 22:29-30 NKJV “Jesus answered and said to them, “Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.” Mark 12:24-25 NKJV
That’s the whole point, they weren’t meant to marry, you don’t have to marry to have children, that’s also the point! Nephilim are Giants the offspring of the Sons of God in Genesis and the daughters of men. Sons of God in Genesis 6 and that appears several times throughout Job is the Hebrew word Bnei HaElohim. Bnei HaElohim and always means angelic beings and never ever used for Human Beings. You don’t get giants for normal human relationships!
The Sons of God are not Angels. Also Luke 20:34 Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God. No human is a Son of God until the resurrection. Paul said they will be revealed, at the resurrection. You can not be a son of God being born of a man and woman that’s why we need to be reborn and adopted . Moses, who wrote Genesis never called a man a Son of God, that’s because Job says the sons of God are in heaven and Moses probably knew the book of Job because it’s the oldest book in the Bible. One cannot use the New Testament as context for Genesis 6. Job is that context.
Of all the preachers I listen to I never would have guessed John MacArthur would do a teaching based on 100% speculation. This sounds like something Jimmy Swaggart would teach.
@@stephenpaul9165those who have an IQ of 83 and above America has jobs for. Those who have an IQ below 83 America does not have jobs for. Now this is a true statement because I said it. Curiosity Never Killed the kitty is the statement true or false. This is an IQ test.
And there is NO SUCH thing as "DEMONS" being called "the sons of GOD"!!! I love you John MacArthur, but you're wrong about this, and Scripture says that you are wrong: "For unto which of the angels said HE at any time, THOU ART MY SON, this day have I begotten THEE? And again, I will be to HIM A FATHER, and HE shall be to ME a SON? (Hebrews 1:5 KJV)"
Nephilim are Giants the offspring of the Sons of God in Genesis and the daughters of men. Sons of God in Genesis 6 and that appears several times throughout Job is the Hebrew word Bnei HaElohim. Bnei HaElohim and always means angelic beings and never ever used for Human Beings. You don’t get giants from normal human relationships!
MacArthur’s full explanation of the wickedness of man on the earth debilitating to demon possession of men and the sexual relations with women who willingly accepted these demonic unions makes the most logical Biblical sense. This wasn’t holy matrimony with holy angels who serve God and us. It obviously is the work of Satan’s deception as with Adam and Eve. This just didn’t happen with The Lord’s holy angelic host and giants appear. This was the height of evil and in context with the flood judgement. Review all the cross references everywhere.
The problem here is John's way of explaining what took place here. The angles were the sons of GOD and at the time of there transgression were still angles it was not until after leaving there habitation to sin and then to be put under the judgment of GOD and sentenced for their actions were they then referred to as Demons. So while today we can correctly reefer to them as demons at the time of their transgression this was not the case as they had yet to be charged and sentenced. There is more information on this entire subject derived from the finding of the dead sea scrolls primarily an article titled "On the Origin of Watchers" published in the Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha by Amar Annus of the University of Tartu · School of Theology and Religious Studies.
Demons aren’t the sons of God. The Angeles are the sons of god- their children were the nephelim, and when they died either before the flood or during, their spirits being neither all elohim nor all human, they become wandering evil spirits.
@@biblebasics101 well Jesus said in scripture that when an unclean spirit is cast out of a man it wanders in dry places. Then they return to the man to become embodied in them again. Demons embody through possession because this is how they can sin again, by way of using a human body. It’s possible they wander in dry places because they were drowned in the flood. We know that demons are not as powerful as angels. A single angel can destroy thousands. Yet a thousand demons can inhabit a man and cause mental and emotional distress but not kill him. We know that the angels who sinned went after strange flesh. Read Jude who compares the sin of the angels with the sin of soddom. The thing is if you read your Bible these things are spelled out clearly. Why does god counsel with other “gods”? Why does he make a request of the demonic spirits who will convince ahab to go into battle? There’s more going on than people are willing to accept although it’s written right there in scripture. Are the sons of god men or are they angels? Why did Nebuchadnezzar say he saw the three Hebrew boys in the furnace yet a south appeared like a son of god?
If one pays strict attention to the text of Gen.6:1-4 (in any version) , the Giants (or Nephilim or space aliens or "whatever") were on the earth both before and after "those days". What were "Those days"? Those days were "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." The sons of God, according to the text, are distinguished from the "whatever". Also the men of renown, by extension, were not the offspring of the "whatever" and the daughters, but rather the union of the sons of God and the daughters. If the corruption were the result of a polluted fallen angel/human hybrid gene pool, for which God wiped out mankind, then why does the sin of mankind have any bearing on it at all? Verse 5 gives the reason "And God saw that the wickedness of MAN (not fallen angels) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of HIS heart was only evil continually." Who then were the sons of God? Genesis 6:4 Give the first mention of "sons of God". If they are shown to be "fallen angels", the hermeneutical principle of first mention would require that that meaning must carry through the rest of scripture. In Job (1:6, 2:1 and 38:7) they are clearly angels. "and Satan came among them." (1:6 and 2:1) Ergo Satan (who is indeed a fallen angel) is not one of them. If I "come among the New York Yankees" it it is clear from the context that I am not a "one of them". Hebrews 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? " Hosea 1:10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God." John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." So we see then that, While Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God, the sons of God are those humans (and angels) who are led by the Spirit of God. Clearly this excludes Satan and his fallen minions. Are not angels spirits? Luke 24:39 Did not Jesus say "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Dr. MacArthur would have us believe that angels, which don't have flesh and bones, actually have male genitalia capable of being used to copulate with human women? Do angels have male genitalia or human compatible DNA so that they are able to impregnate human women.? Would God create angels with the ability to do that? Lets say for the sake argument that these Sons of God are men possessed by a devil. Does that change their DNA so that their offspring are human/angel hybrid creatures? Really?
@@MundusMichaels Every human is a direct creation of God: Psalm 139:13 For You created my innermost parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb. Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you," Isaiah 44:2 This is what the LORD says, He who made you and formed you from the womb, The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament. Can humans be called son(s) of God? Of course! Those led by the Spirit of God ARE considered 'sons of God'. Roman 8:14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God." All the parsing of words to try to promote a pagan fable does not impress.
He literally says in the video that “sons of God” refers to those directly created by God, not by a human union. This describes Adam, so this passage not only fails to prove your point but also helps defend his point.
Those who believe in God and keep his commandments (TRUTHS) are the sons of God. Two sets of people are in the world at all times, the sons of man and the sons of God. Galatians 4:3-6; 3. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 4. But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5. To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. We are under the law when we do not keep the law, just as if we broke a law of the country, state, or town that we live in. We will be punished under that law and be a servant of the state, a servant of sin, we are in bondage sold under sin, for sin is the transgression of the law. Those who are keeping the Law, through the Spirit of Christ, are not under the Law any longer. We are adopted into the family of Abraham and are the sons of God. 1 John 3:1; 1. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:
Interesting conjecture brother JM, In saying the “sons of God” are demons then these creatures must be embodied in some form of a matter? Creating Nephilim/anuk with the daughters of men? Men of renown
Apparently, angels, inculding Satan and fallen angels/demons, have some sort of genetic building blocks as well. HOW certain fallen angels mixed their seed with the seed of women is not discussed here. But one thing is certain, God sys Satan has "seed",,, which would indicate other fallen angels do too. Genesis 3:15 King James Version " And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
Actually his explanation is very wrong because according to the Bible "the sons of God" are not angels as seen on Heb 1:5. Like he says; the term "sons of God" is used a number of time in the old testament (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7) but it does not mean angels but literal sons of God. If you read Deut 32 :8-14 it says: " When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance , when he ddevided the sons on man, He set the bounderies of the peoples accourding to the unmer of the sons of God" (ESV, BSB, ISV, MST, NABNET BIBLE, NRSV, NHEB).
That is 100% correct. I don’t understand that the exact word is only used in about 4 places , 2 for sure in Job, yet people try to pull from text that isn’t there. Job is clear. Moses was a contemporary of the book of Job. He probably read Job! He didn’t get Bene Elohim from the New Testament. Many think heaven is empty or just filled only with messengers. ( angels) A causal look at earth will tell you that it’s not true. Variety is an attribute of God, Also many think a God who has been here forever never made other things before physical creation.
@@bobthomas1536 it’s quite simple. 1 Peter 3:19-20. Peter talks about angels sinning during the time while the ark was being prepared. These are the same spirits in prison that Jesus preached to. Simple. Solved. If not who were the spirits in prison that sinned during the time in which the ark was being prepared? They sinned after the fall of Lucifer so they can’t be his.
@@GoemonLovesFujikothose spirits could’ve just been possessing human bodies. We see numerous examples of demon possession in the Bible. Fallen Angels could not manifest into human forms anymore because they fell and got kicked out of Heaven. They followed Satan willingly. But we see Angels who never fell and are still in Heaven appearing in human form throughout the entire Bible.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko ~ Deuteronomy 32:8; “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of mankind, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel. Many will try and tell you the above passage is about the Tower of Babel when God separated the nations by confusing their language... it is NOT! God commissioned Moses to write a song for 'FUTURE' generations ‘when’ Joshua Led them into the promised land and divided up the land based on the number of each tribe. So, the song is written so that when it refers back to the time when God Divided the land... This was the present time for Moses and Joshua but written for future generations. ~Deuteronomy 31:17&19; “Now then, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; ... (for it shall not be forgotten from the mouth of their descendants); ‘He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.’ ~ Joshua 17:14-19; Then the sons of Joseph spoke to Joshua, saying, “Why have you given me only one lot and one portion for an inheritance, since I am a numerous people whom the LORD has thus far blessed?” Joshua said to them, “If you are a numerous people, go up to the forest and clear a place for yourself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the Rephaim, since the hill country of Ephraim is too narrow for you.” The sons of Joseph said, “The hill country is not enough for us, and all the Canaanites who live in the valley land have chariots of iron, both those who are in Beth-Shean and its towns and those who are in the valley of Jezreel.” Joshua spoke to the house of Joseph, to Ephraim and Manasseh, saying, “You are a numerous people and have great power; you shall not have one lot only, but the hill country shall be yours. Be Blessed
Another thing; in genesis 6 these sons of God took wives! Angels don’t marry, men do! Read matt. 22:23-30. We christians would do well to judge all things hold fast to that which is true. I love john macarthur but he is wrong on a number of truths.
That is true. And I’m not saying that he is right. But we do have to consider the fact that if we’re saying these are fallen angels, why would they be obedient to God’s design.
@@robertjackson8790 Angels are spirits. They aren’t flesh and blood. Women are flesh and blood. When jesus told nicodemus that “ you must be born again, jesus said that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit. There is a distinction. To have child a woman needs a man who is flesh not a spirit. And angels don’t marry or reproduce. But men do. And men are called sons of God in the genealogy of jesus in lukes gospel. The passage in genesis 6 is merely talking about men. Angels are not even mentioned
@@dalelinebarger8439 There are references in Scripture, where Sons of God refers to angels. And there is a possibility that these angels had the ability to take on human form or physical form. Satan, is believed to be an angel and he inhabited, the body of a physical serpent. The angels in Sodom and Gomorrah took on the appearance as a physical men. So we do have instances where angels take on physical appearance. And flesh as referenced in the Scriptures is not explicitly for human flesh and serves to be more of a reference to sinful nature.
@@robertjackson8790 As a christian I am told to not believe myths, old wives fables or controversial things. Christ came into the world to save and rescue men. Hebrews 2: 14- “ Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He himself likewise also partook of the same , that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. For assuredly He does not give help to angels but He gives help to Abrahams descendants.” I don’t take into account possibilities. I take into account clear biblical teaching. God makes a clear distinction between men and angels. Angels are spirits, men flesh and blood. Angels no where in scripture were given the commandment to be fruitful and multiply, men were! If, there was some angelic dna in the human stream, why does scripture say jesus was made like his brothers in every way. Jesus was made like men! He came to rescue Abrahams seed. If, angels had children with human women there would have been very clear scriptural proof, but there is none! Jesus never mentioned it! We as christians are to be grounded in sound doctrine. Not vain imaginings. Follow the Lord.
He's wrong angels are not mankind therefore they cannot reproduce with mankind, according to genesis everything reproduces after its own kind, the son's of God also refers to elect men Romans 8:14-17 King James Version (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God1 John 3:1-3 King James Version (KJV) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: And last but not least Christ himself affirmed that angels cannot be given in Marriage to the Sadduccee's
I was under the impression that the angels who visited LOT were in human form. If that's correct, how do we know others were not assigned to tasks to help men, while being in human form?
@@ambientweets8408 good Angels yes take on human form and indwell newly created bodies for such a purpose. There's not one single instance in the Bible were a bad Angel creates a new human form to indwell. You can write that in capital letters.
The Hebrew word used here for sons of god is not that same word as the word for demon or angel. It is separate entirely. It seems to refer to spiritual beings, created by God, and existent in heaven prior to creation. Michael Helser explains this well in “The Unseen Realm”.
That explains why Cain's lineage starts with Adam and Seth's lineage starts with God. Or.... Why Jesus Christ chose the name Son of Man instead of Son of God. Or why the sins listed in Genesis 6 are an EXACT match for the ones in the garden of Eden. Or why God attributed the flood to Man, Men, or MANKIND but never mentioned Angels, Fallen angels, or Demons in Genesis 6. Better explanation for this presentation comes from Colossians 2 : 8 and 2 Timothy 4 : 3 - 4.
@@jthomas7904 Instead of ranting about things you know nothing about, might want to have a basic understanding of hermeneutics and hebrew. Sons of God (Bene ha' Elohim), literally Sons of God is mentioned 5 times in the Bible. Once in Gen6:2, 3 times in the book of Job and once in Daniel. Everytime it is mentioned, it refers to angels. In this case it refers to fallen angels as they took and had relations with earthly women. Their progeny are called the Nephilim (fallen ones). Demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim. In fact whenever hebrew people talked about demons, they referred to them as Tamu-Nefal. Dead nephilim. If you still don't get it, then explain how the good line of Seth, marrying the bad line of Cain gave birth to giants. Kissing cousins don't make giants, DNA 101. The whole issue with the union of fallen angels and earthly women was to corrupt the man's seed thus preventing the birth of Jesus. Hence the flood to start anew. There is plenty of info and sound hermeneutical principles/doctrine about this subject. One just needs to study and not have a wrong pre-conceived idea.
@@jthomas7904we know there was violence in the earth in the days of Noah because of the giants. There were giants because of the sons of god. We know who the sons of god are because of Job. Also we know that one of Noah’s grandfathers was Jared. Jared means “ to come down” - this was when the watchers/sons of god descended into the earth.
Pastor MacArthur...thank you for clarifying this subject. Clearly, those Sons of God were created by God not man. Seth did not foster a Godly line...it was not until Jesus and salvation did we, the human race became "Son's" of God.
John's explanation misuses the term angel. Look up on your own how the term angel, demon, sons of God are used in the Bible. Easily understood is the fact that he says that angels are a creation of God. and that is true. However, his blanket use of the term of angels for Sons of God does not equal each other. For clarity on this look up videos by Dr. Michael Heiser on angels, demons and Satan.
Gen 6:1-2 1 And it came to pass when man commenced to multiply upon the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them. אוַֽיְהִי֙ כִּֽי־הֵחֵ֣ל הָֽאָדָ֔ם לָרֹ֖ב עַל־פְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה וּבָנ֖וֹת יֻלְּד֥וּ לָהֶֽם: 2 That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose. בוַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ:
No. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the hybrid children of the angels. They’re unclean spirits. This is why demons seek to possess. This is probably also why Jesus said when they’re cast out they seek dry places. I wonder if this is because many of them perished in the flood.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko God's inspired word would plainly reveal this very serious allegation of 'hybrid children of angels' if true. God does not need pagan books to explain the clear truth of His word. Angels did sin 'left their 1st estate', not procreated with human women. The theme of Genesis 6 is the same as dozens of stories in the OT. God's people went after pagan women and God punished them because they turned to idolatry. I know it is more exciting to think of demigods, forbidden sexual encounters, bigfoot and fairies, but here is an example of what happened in Gen. 6: ~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; “Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you."
@@larrymoore2571 gods inspired word referenced these angels in “chains reserved for judgement”. This is mentioned a few times. So the angels who kept not their first estate were who? And what does that mean? Jude mentioned it assuming his audience knew. So then we should know too ?
@@GoemonLovesFujiko Jude and 2nd Peter states that angels sinned, but it never says they copulated with women. This is circular reasoning whereas people theorize that angels made babies with women, and Jude mentions that angels left their 1st estate, so that must mean that angels made babies. Ignoring the fact that God's word simply does not say that, and actually ignoring the fact that God's natural law in Genesis 1 would have to be suspended. God does not need pagan books to explain His bible. So, they left their 1st estate, what could that be? ~ Isaiah 14:12-14; “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, you who have weakened the nations! “But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north. ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ What is missing? Demigod offspring!
@@larrymoore2571 what was the particular sin of these Angels then? We can infer by scripture that it was something particularly grievous because they’re are in chains, and imprisoned. How can you explain their from scripture?
RC Sproul can't even get salvation and the elect and chosen and man's role in accepting a free gift correctly and you want him to sort this one out? ROTFLOL !!!
I like that he puts it as demons. That puts it in a different light and helps me see it more clearly. If the sons of God are fallen angels and all the nephilim stuff. There is no reason for that to parelel is becoming sons and daughters of God by accepting His grace. Fallen angels/demons being Sons of God is a straight contradiction! I need to clarify and give credit where it's due. @nehemiahthomad3395 's comment helped me see that
Of course godly people can be 'sons of Gods' (or daughters). That's why in the Lord's Prayer, we pray to 'Our Father' ... precisely because sons and daughters have a father.
Not even close!! Jesus Christ refers to Himself as The Son of Man and not The Son of God. Why? Cain's lineage starts with Adam but Seth's lineage starts with God. The sins listed in Genesis 6 are EXACTLY the same as in the garden of Eden. Hams lineage explains what happened when a son of God took for himself a wife from the daughters of men.
@@jthomas7904Sooooo, from your interpretation Cain is not Adam's son and Adam's not God's son?!? C'mon, man.. Them sons of God in Gen 6 is angels. Men corrupted themselves in this way before and after the flood. That's not a good exegesis the Bible. Try again, sir. Do better.
@@terryjones1718 From my interpretation? Blahahahaha.... 4 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.” Genesis 4 This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. ~ Genesis 5 Can you read the difference of how the lineages are listed? Do you need an interpreter? Let me know so I can break out the crayons.
@@terryjones1718 Ok... doing better.... Why did Jesus Christ refer to Himself as The Son of Man and not The Son of God? Which would the Jewish leaders find more offensive and why? Did the Jewish leaders consider themselves sons of God?
@@jthomas7904 I don't know what the Jewish leaders considered themselves neither do I know what Bible you're reading. Jesus considered the Jewish leaders gods AND he called himself both the son of man AND the son of God quite a few times in John. Strike 2...and you're getting worse. Reading is fundamental. Do better please.
Now pay attention to the title... According to this man...not God, but according to this guy...for me that's a red flag...cuz.. it should have read... According to the word of God
You do understand the person who runs this channel is the one that uploaded the video and created the title right? The man speaking is John MacArthur who for the most part is very well known for a very strong Biblical Doctrine and had The channel properly gave Credit to John MacArthur and posted the original date of this sermon so you could hear its entirety you more than likely would have heard John MacArthur credit this to GOD's word. That being said we are to trust in no man for all have sinned and have fallen short so red flags should go up when anyone is speaking especially if there's not a bible in his hand, or if he's holding a message bible..lol... This channel knows the following that Macarthur has and that what he says holds weight in the Christian community so by saying according to this man the assumption is it's probably a good interpretation. In most cases especially this one I believe that assumption to be a good one. Check out Dr Michael Heiser's work " The Unseen Realm" to get some more background as to why this is the proper interpretation. Dr Heiser is a biblical scholar who has also taught as a professor at the University level and I believe is proficient in reading and interpreting something like ten or more ancient languages and one of his primary goals is to make it as easy as possible for the laymen to read the bible. He also worked for logos bible software for many years doing bible interpretation. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong about things it's just a lot less likely.
@@quantumquatro you've said a lot and to be honest I didn't read it all, I did some, but not all👍 and none of it changes my mind, or give them the right to do to me what they did, and just for those that may not know...if you are a human being... living or breathing or deceased.. cuz no one is really dead they are in Paradise with Christ, you are a son of God, or daughter of God.. period, plain and simple, and anything taught other than that.. it's false teaching, I don't care who's teaching it😑
Why is it wrong? You can’t get away from the Bible telling you who the sons of God are in Job. You have to use pretzel logic to have the sons of God as anything else but heavenly creatures. The Bible never calls men bene Elohim. John MacArthur is correct, during the time of Jesus the Jewish clergy all believed that the Nephilim came from Angels procreating with men. The whole Seth line idea didn’t start up until Augustine who tried to strip any spiritual aspect of the Bible and replace it with human philosophy. It’s heretical because Paul clearly says that these are the things we are at war with. These heavenly powers. When one has to use numerous passages , cherry picked, to formulate the Seth line idea, when the clear plane reading of the text tells you what happened. You can’t get around it.
This is an errant reading of scripture by John, like he does with the pre trib rapture nonsense, there is no verse in all of scripture that mentions a pre trib rapture and no one can produce one. All they do is produce verses which describing Jesus’ return on the last day and twist it and add 5,000 words to it to try and prove a point which cannot be proven. Jesus himself said in john chapter 6 that he would raise up ALL that the Father gave him on the last day. The last day is the end of the age!! Parable of wheat and tares, lazarus’ sister martha said “ i know my brother will rise again on the last day”. The church is full of ear tickling explanations that don’t stand up against the words of scripture!!!!!
@@classicvlogs7910 my point is; as with other portions of scripture and other false doctrine no scripture proof is given only a personal opinion! Angels are spirits as stated in hebrews. And they don’t marry, as stated by Jesus himself! In order to produce children a human woman needs a human man! Obvious biology! Jesus also said that which is born of spirit is spirit, that which is born of flesh is flesh! He said the latter ti Nicodemus! It is stated falsely that the only ones called sons of God are angels, this is also a false statement. In lukes gospel in the geneology adam is said to be the son of God! In genesis 6 the context of the verses is that it is talking about men. When men began to spread out upon the earth! Men! The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and married whoever they wanted!! Remember angels don’t marry!! Also when jesus cast unclean spirits out no one saw the spirits. Then God says that he would not always strive with men. He wouldn’t strive with them because they were marrying whoever and no doubt however many of the daughters of men they wanted. They were sinning because jesus said about marriage that God had commanded one man to take one woman in marriage! It was common in those early years of men that men had multiple wives, look at Abraham, jacob etc. The whole context of genesis 6 is God commenting on mans bad behavior.
@@dalelinebarger8439 Yes, well stated Dale, I would have thought that there would be absolute clarity in scriptures to propose such nonsense as angels procreating with women and creating giant offspring, but there is so much more proof that this is Godly men that have been enticed by pretty women idolators and have abandoned their faith in God. This happens over and over again in the Old Testament. Here are just some of the examples: ~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you. ~ Nehemiah 13:25; You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. ~ Exodus 34:16; ...and you take some of his daughters for your sons and his daughters play the harlot with their gods, and his daughters would play the prostitute with their gods and cause your sons also to play the prostitute with their gods. ~ Joshua 23:12&16; ...and intermarry with them so that you associate with them and they with you & then the anger of the Lord will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you. ~ 1 Kings 11:2; ...& you shall not associate with them, neither shall they associate with you for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods. Solomon held fast to these in love. ~ Ezra 9:14; ...shall we again break thy commandments and intermarry with the peoples who commit these abominations? Would You not be angry with us to the point of destruction, until there is no remnant nor any who escape? ~ 1 Kings 11:4; For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. God is not the author of confusion.
@@jordanmadden7388 If I were you I would buy a copy of David Martyn Lloyd Jones book “ The great doctrines of the bible” and read the third section entitled “ The church and the last things”. Personally I don’t think any of the men who teach on future events know what they think they know. Daniel himself when asking what all these things meant was told by angels that it was for the end of time and that he would die and be raised up at the end, seal up the vision, he was told. Jesus is coming back on the last day. He will raise all believers up at that time, that’s what I know. And until then I am to live a holy, pure life seeking sanctification to the glory of God and Christ.
Genesis 1 is ELOHIM (Lucifer and the fallen angels). They made this realm. They made man in their image. Man is an idol, a trap to hunt angels. Genesis 2:7 the Lord God forms His representative in their system. One Gospel: Gospel (GOOD ANGEL) of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
The sons of God are the divine spiritual council. Some spirits rebelled in Genesis 6 and took for themselves daughters of men. They were spiritual beings. Angel is title for a spiritual being that acts as a messenger. Divine spiritual beings can take human form as is seen in Genesis where spiritual beings come down and speak with Abraham while he is with Yahweh. The unclean spirits are the demons, which resulted from the nephilim being wiped out in the flood. Demons were not involved in Genesis 6 they were the result, post flood. Unclean spirits.
I think people are instantly offended by this doctrine because they focus on the Angeles seeking sex. I don’t think that’s the main sin here. It’s the fact that they wished to be creators like God was- and to have children. Obviously there is a “lust” element here to the story as well. But they sought to be like God.
No it's because it takes the responsibility of the offspring. These beings or people can now say the devil made me do it it's not my fault. So the flood was God choice to destroy the world through no fault of its own. That is not biblical and that is very bad doctrine. You are responsible for your sin, no one else is but you. You can't blame the devil you Can't Blame a demon the only one you can blame is the one in the mirror.
@@garyg7549 I’ve heard this “the devil made me do it” reasoning and it doesn’t track. Satan does persuade people. God allows it. God sends a lying spirit to ahab that will lead him to his death. It doesn’t in anyway remove responsibility. Was Adam guilty of his own sin even though Eve persuaded him? Yes. The sin of the watchers was that to lead men astray. The same as any demonic spirit that leads people into idolatry or witchcraft. Not sure what the problem is - but it’s scriptural sound.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko if the Reason God sent the flood what's for the sin of these half man half demons how can it be the fault of this creature ? Maybe I'm wrong but that makes no sense to me. As far as your other examples we have those today. The devil's going to tempt me through pornography and lost and the girl next door. But these are not temptations that are too strong for us to withstand. God would never do that. He's provided a way out. But a half demon half person has no way of escaping their plight. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but that's just how I see it. I think there's a difference between what you're saying and I'm saying. Good stuff brother keep up the good work
@@garyg7549 ah I see now. You’re speaking from the perspective of the “hybrid” beings. They’re the ones saying “the devil made me do it” is that it? Well- it’s for this reason I felt like the book of Enoch was suppressed and not canonized though I believe the early church was familiar with it, Jesus and Jude’s audience both. I think it’s because the watchers and their offspring come off as pitiful in the narrative. I reckon that this pity might cause some to wonder after them perhaps pity them and ultimately serve them. I can see that. But they’re not created by God. The nephelim are not of God yet theyre of spirit beings. The desire of the enemy to corrupt the bloodlines of man makes sense with scripture because of the prophecy in genesis 3 that the seed of the woman would bruise the seed of the serpent. Of course the devil has always tried to corrupt the bloodline, or kill male babies, time and time again, to snuff out the messiah. So the corruption that I feel is mentioned in genesis 6 which is so bad it required a global flood tracks with scripture.
@@garyg7549 I wrote a response to this but it’s not posting it looks like. Essentially I understand your line of reasoning but I don’t think it tracks. These offspring are not human- there is no salvation for them. They are the offspring of fallen and disobedient watchers.
Adam was a son of God Luke 3:38 hence all man kind are sons of God. Then are we to conclude that we are all angels? No. I dont think God would allow an angel to become of human form to procreate as God told Adam and Eve to procreate. It would contradict his natural law. Just cause angels lost their heavenly being doesnt mean they came to earth as humans, they fell from light to darkness and are reserved for hell. Regarding Hebrews 13:2 it cant be in a literal sense for us today. It was referring to Abraham, however today as in Hebrews 1 states the Son, Jesus, has spoken to us and we have the gospel. We have God himself in the flesh why have or think of having or wanting someone else.The age of miracles, signs, wonders, etc. are no longer in effect. Christ is all we need. God Bless
Adam was a "son of God" because God was his Father and creator. After he sinned, he looked forward to death. Angels are "sons of God" for God is their Father and creator. Fallen angels (Lucifer among them) are fallen "sons of God" and look forward to the "Lake of Fire" and there can be no redemption for them because after being in the presence of a Holy God still chose to rebel and sin. Jobs sons were "sons of man" not sons of God. BUT all who are "in Christ" past (all the way to Adam) present and future are ADOPTED sons (children) of God. Also, after Jesus conquered death, fallen angels relinquished their right to be in the presence of God and accuse the sons of men on earth. But while on earth (until judgement day) they may tempt the sons of men and especially the adopted sons of God to sin or DOUBT the Word of God and become apostate.
Hello Ian, you had commented "Angels are "sons of God" for God is their Father and creator". There is no dispute that God is the Creator of angels, but there is no scripture that claims that God is the angels Father, but actually refutes the idea that God has ever been the Father of angels here: ~ Hebrews 1:5; For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a 'FATHER", and he shall be to me a son”? This implies that God has NEVER claimed He is the Father of angels, and scripture never has God calling Himself Father to angels.
@@larrymoore2571 Thank you for your point. Let’s say that angels are adopted sons of God. Scripture calls angels sons of God. Not to be confused with the only begotten Son of God. There is a big difference. A son has to have a Father. Adam also was created yet God was his Father. Scripture does not call angels creatures or creations of God which would then imply they have no Father. But sons of God, albeit adopted sons. We humans are lower than the angels in hierarchy, but the redeemed after the first resurrection will be promoted higher than the angels which will continue throughout eternity.
@@iankirk9097 said, "Scripture calls angels sons of God." * There is scripture that some people believe implies that angels are 'sons of God', but I have not found any verses that definitively call angels sons of God. I do find dozens of verses that call believers 'sons of God', such as here: ~ Matthew 5:9; “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." * The following scripture is supposed to prove that 'sons of God' are angels, I think that is a misrepresentation of this passage. ~ Job 1:5-7; "When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and 'CONSECRATE' them, rising up early in the morning and offering 'burnt offerings' according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” (Summary) ~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but 'BURNT' offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job. ~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’. *Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony. *Men present themselves to God on earth all the time: ~ Joshua 24:1; Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and summoned the elders, the heads, the judges, and the officers of Israel. And they presented themselves before God. (On earth just as Job & sons did).
@@larrymoore2571 Larry, we may need to beg to differ on this subject. One day all things will be made crystal clear. IMHO the sons of God (angels on assignment on earth) along with chief fallen angel himself presented themselves before God “in heaven” where Gods throne is. This is a spiritual passage of scripture. It didn’t take place on earth. The earth is God’s footstool. Satan himself said, “I am walking to and fro on the earth,” no doubt to see whom he could devour. For he goes about like a roaring lion. It is a marvellous and comforting thought that God has appointed assignments for angels on earth. I strongly believe each chosen elect Believer in Christ whom God knows will endure to the end has a guardian angel assigned to watch over him/her and angels assigned to watch over 2 or 3 or more who are gathered in His name.
@@iankirk9097 Okay Ian thank you for a polite and cordial conversation. For those that believe angels procreated with women, have you considered Genesis 1, where God specifically says eleven times, 'after their own kind', when addressing His natural law of procreation? Some believe that there was a tainted bloodline of mixed angel/human blood (just ignore this if this is not your belief). Have you considered: ~ Acts 17:26; “And He has made from ‘ONE BLOOD’ (Not mixed angel/human) ‘EVERY NATION’ (including the Anakin, Rephaim, Philistines etc.) of men to dwell on 'ALL' the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,” Blessings Brother
When Satan was cast out of heaven a third which someone seek and devour to this day and then. Son's of God were not humans. It refers and says they saw they were beautiful they is the son's of God demons they were demons it plainly days God made us in his image. Evil comes in many forms who's to say the demons the fallen one third. Satan is gonna use anything and anyone to reak havoc till his time!! He's desperate and we have the happy ending!! When Jesus left us after being risen he left the holy spirit which it what resides in the doers not talkers. It's ok to get upset and talk to god because he only wants the pure at heart and the only ones that do it when it's just you and the room you lay or sit. Satan can only impose and interrupt it's what comes out of that deadly poison that gives him his satisfaction. He knows how why were. We have a choice on what proceeds and anounces. He trembles !! His pack of legion cower!! At the one and true name!! JESUS! CHRIST!! The alpha and Omega!! The beginning! And the end!! He gives! And takes!! but his grace is why we are still here. I have a message to tell you. Get your affairs in order. And be watchful because it will be like a thief in the night! And knee shall bow!! And every tongue shall confess!! "That He is"
Sons of God were actual human beings of the genealogy of Seth, they were not spirits or angels. How can an angel reproduce when we're told that in heaven we will be like angels who neither marry or are given in marriage.
@@kalegallarde6369 the laws of reproduction still bind. Bible says Angels dont have flesh and bones -Luk 24v39. How would they have reproduced with human beings to bring about ''hybrid'' beings?
@@amobyte2372 John 20:27-28 King James Version 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Your talking about jesus's resurrection if he is not of flesh and just spirit not physical how could Thomas have reached into jesus's side to feel his wound? 🤦♂️ Numbers 22:31 “Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.” King James Version (KJV) If angels are only spirit then why would God have told the donkey to talk to Balaam and stop him from an Angel blocking his path with a sword that was going to kill Balaam if he came near him? 🤦♂️
No where does the bible say they are assexual. The fact that they are spiritual beings doesn't preclude them from being part of the conception process as is obvious in that Mary was able to conceive via the Holy Spirit. One of the entire passage makes any sense if you think sons of God are the righteous seed of Seth. By the time. Noah came around, his family was the only righteous worth saving. Also, Cain's seed was obviously wiped out at the flood so how could the Nephilim be around after the flood if the Nephilim were the seed of Cain mixing with Seth's? Also why would the mixing of Cain and Seth's lineage create special men of renowned?
Adam was a Son Of Elohim he didn’t come from a earthly origin so he’s wrong and daughters of men was Cain lineage Cain got cut out of the lineages in the. New Testament
Apparently, angels, inculding Satan and fallen angels/demons, have some sort of genetic building blocks as well. HOW certain fallen angels mixed their seed with the seed of women is not discussed here. But one thing is certain, God sys Satan has "seed",,, which would indicate other fallen angels do too. Genesis 3:15 King James Version " And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
It amazes me that this man can be so horribly wrong about this issue! unless he is a false minister or masquerading in light when he is full of darkness
Read the text John..yikes. Genealogy just ahead of that chapter .. Seth decendents leaving and joining Cain decendents. God see the wickedness of men… the lxx clears this up.
GOD IS SPEAKING TO THE SONS OF GOD WHO ARE THEY?IT IS AN EVIDENCE THEY ARE THE ANGELS AND THE MEN IN LUKECH.3V38 ADAM IS CALLED SON OF GOD!!!THE BIBLE DIXIT!!!
Since Adam was 130 when Seth was born, as "another seed instead of Abel" after Cain had slain Abel, Eve and then Adam after her, were probably 80 years of age before they partook of the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil. During that time they were sinless, and they probably already had five or six generations of children and grandchildren, all of whom would also have been sinless. That's who the "son's of God" were. And some of them had migrated to the "land of Nod," where Cain found his wife.
~ Romans 8:14; For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Many get this wrong, the term 'sons of God' are not a particular created class of beings, but rather those that are willing to be in a covenant relationship with God and be led by Him. God Bless and Look Up!
Piecing the puzzle, angels (not the already fallen who rebelled in heaven and were cast down to the earth along with Lucifer or Satan) can be correctly interpreted to be in Scriptural context, the sons of God. Sent from the presence of God at the direction of the Holy Spirit and assigned earthly missions. They can self-materialise into bodily form clothed and without angelic wings. (Hebrews 13:2) They are also free to wilfully defy God and sin. (Why would the redeemed be judging angels? 1 Corinthians 6:3) But in order for them to take for themselves wives and produce offspring, they would as a consequence of their sin be banished on earth and eventually lose their handsome appearance and become grotesque. Their offspring (the Nephilim or Giants) were the mighty men of renown, (Genesis 6:4) part human and part (now fallen) angel. The sons of God referred to in Job 1:6 and 2:1 are not the rebellious angels but the obedient (and therefore sinless) angels reporting back to God the outcome of the assignments they had been given on earth. So the sons of God in Genesis 6:4, taken in Scriptural context, cannot be referring to the descendants of Seth (or kings or any kind of human nobility.) Adam was called the son of God (Luke 3:38) because he was the father of the human race and God was his Creator. Jesus Christ is (uniquely) the only begotten Son of God and in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 1:19; 2:9) God the Son. Amen!
If any of this is true, you must ask why did God suspend His natural law enacted in Genesis 1? All creation (animals, bugs, plants all creatures) reproduce after their own kind. Even if you surmise it must be demon possession, there is still only human DNA. If you can somehow solve this problem, then why did all mankind continuously pursue evil, except Noah? Why is God grieved in His heart only toward mankind when it was the angels fault? If the Nephilim were 450 ft tall angel/human hybrid that were on the earth in those days & AFTERWARDS, does that suggest that God allowed angels to procreate with women again after the flood?
@@larrymoore2571 (Some) of the sons of God (angels on assignment on earth) "came in unto the daughters of men" and produced offspring "Nephilim or giants" perhaps several metres tall. (450 feet tall???) Pre-flood not all of mankind was affected by this "human hybridism". Non of the royal lineage from Adam to Christ were affected. Methuselah (8th from Adam) the last of the pre-flood patriarchs (besides Noah) died 1656 AM "and then came the flood" the same year. All of the descendants of Cain perished in the Great Deluge along with all of the humanoid hybrids. AND AFTERWARDS. So post flood there were still giants (perhaps not quite as tall anymore since no-one born after the Flood lived hundreds of years anymore either.) Whether these giants (some of the descendants of the Philistines like Goliath for example) were also a product of the sons of God having "further relations" with the daughters of men is not clear. But what is clear is that the post flood race of giants were all wiped out under King David's rule. (Chronicles 20.)
@@iankirk9097 There are problems with your assessment of Genesis 6. #1. Moses did not write the book of Job, but he wrote the Pentateuch. Moses has the freedom to express his thoughts independent of Job's author. Sons of the Lord your God (bene Yehovah Elohim) is a term that Moses used in Deuteronomy 14:1 ("You are sons of the LORD your God") to refer to God's people. This would be the exact same text absent 'the Lord your'. Every time Moses refers to angels, he uses the term Malak. #2. God would have to suspend the natural law He imposed in Genesis 1 that all creation must reproduce after their own kind even plants. Why would God actively change natural law and allow this abomination? #3. Did God destroy the world through flood waters because of giant hybrid offspring of angels/women or because (gen 5) "wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually". Gen 6:12: And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for 'humanity' (not fallen angels, but humanity) had corrupted its way upon the earth. #4. What happened from Gen 4:26 "Then people began to call upon the name of the LORD" to Gen 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, “Enter the ark, you and all your household, 'FOR YOU ALONE' I have seen to be righteous before Me in this generation. God's people that had called upon the name of the Lord, saw that pagan women (daughters of men) were beautiful, and they gave in to the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh to the point of rejecting God and turning to idolatry. This scenario happened continuously throughout the Old Testament. Here are a few verses: ~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you. ~ Nehemiah 13:25; You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. ~ Exodus 34:16; ...and you take some of his daughters for your sons and his daughters play the harlot with their gods, and his daughters would play the prostitute with their gods and cause your sons also to play the prostitute with their gods. ~ Joshua 23:12&16; ...and intermarry with them so that you associate with them and they with you & then the anger of the Lord will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you. ~ 1 Kings 11:2; ...& you shall not associate with them, neither shall they associate with you for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods. Solomon held fast to these in love. ~ Ezra 9:14; ...shall we again break thy commandments and intermarry with the peoples who commit these abominations? Would You not be angry with us to the point of destruction, until there is no remnant nor any who escape? ~ 1 Kings 11:4; For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
#5. The Apocrypha books are not in the canonized Bible because at some point they distort scripture and are not a credible source. The sufficiency of the Bible is all we need. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man or woman of God may be 'FULLY' capable, equipped for 'EVERY' good work. The 450 ft. tall giant comment comes from the book of Enoch 7:2 that says all the giants were 300 cubits tall (450 feet). As for giants like Goliath, Robert Wadlow of NYC was only 7" shorter than Goliath, his gigantism was caused by a pituitary tumor. There are reasonable explanations for Gen 6, and I think the answers are found in scripture.
@@dalelinebarger8439 What exactly are you disagreeing with? Like the angels of God (sons of God) and also fallen angels, the Nephilim don't have souls, only a spirit. God speaks of His own soul (Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 26:38) and of course His Holy Spirit, and in Jesus all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily. (Colossians 2:9) Jesus revealed God as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and mankind is made in the image of God, body, soul and spirit, a triune being. The Nephilim existed before the flood, and afterwards, (Genesis 6:4) but since Jesus conquered and overcame death in His Resurrection, it then became impossible for fallen angels to impregnate the daughters of men. That's because Satan, who is still the prince of this world, has lost SOME of his power and authority over the earth as since Pentecost (Acts 2) the Holy Spirit has been restraining him, but in the Great tribulation (3.5 years before the triumphant and victorious return of King Jesus) the Holy Spirit will un-restrain Satan and he will war with the Great Tribulation (post raptured) Saints while at the same time God will unleash His wrath.
Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?
So who were the sons of god in job? Who presented themselves with Satan?
“You are my son” and “You are my son, today I have begotten you” (KJV) give two totally different meanings. Stopping in the middle of God’s sentence, to give it your own meaning, is the definition of taking it out of context.
I might as well say God never said “You are…” to an angel and expect someone to take me seriously.
This approach would put you at variance with the book of Job. Because Job 1:6 calls satan’s Angels, Sons of God and Job 38:7 calls God’s Angels, sons of God.
Therefore Sons of God is a biblical title for angels.
However no angel can be called the BEGOTTEN Son of God. Because Jesus is the ONLY begotten of the Father. And that’s clearly the message Hebrews 1:5 is seeking to convey.
@@adamalexander5216 Hello Adam, have you considered the term 'sons of God' to be those in a covenant relationship with God, and not a type of created being?
I was looking for a definition and could only find:
~ Romans 8:14; "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
Can we know who were being led by the Spirit of God in Genesis 6?
Genesis 6:3 defines the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6:2.
~ Genesis 6; (2) the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.
(3) Then the LORD said, “My 'Spirit' shall not 'ABIDE' in 'MAN' forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
So, God is removing His Spirit from 'angels'? NO, 'MAN'! Again, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
We know that: ~ Genesis 4:26; To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. 'THEN MEN BEGAN TO CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD.'
Something about these marriages made MAN wicked and MAN was consumed with evil thoughts continually, and God was sorry He had made MAN, and decided to blot out MAN from the face of the earth.
What is missing? Fallen angels producing Halfbreed demigods.
Here is an example of what happened in Gen 6 and throughout the OT:
~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; “Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you.
@@adamalexander5216 said:
Adam- "This approach would put you at variance with the book of Job. Because Job 1:6 calls satan’s Angels, Sons of God and Job 23:7 calls God’s Angels, sons of God."
Me - ~ Job 1:5-7; "When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and 'CONSECRATE' them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”
(Summary)
~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but burnt offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job.
~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’.
~ Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony.
Adam Also 'God's angels 'sons of God':
~ Job 23:7; “There the upright would reason with Him; And I would be delivered forever from my Judge.
I re-read this 10 times, it makes as much sense as MacArthur saying that women praying or prophesying with their heads uncovered make angels libido go crazy... but if the women are not praying ho-hum.
@@adamalexander5216 You have missed the crux of @gramps5157 question. “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?
There is no scripture where God (the Father) ever proclaims that He is the Father of angels... only speculation.
~ Job 1:5-7; "When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and 'CONSECRATE' them, rising up early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” (Summary)
~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but burnt offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job.
~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’.
* Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony.
* Men present themselves to God on earth all the time:
~ Joshua 24:1; Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and summoned the elders, the heads, the judges, and the officers of Israel. And they presented themselves before God. (Shechem was on earth not in heaven).
* Although God never proclaims He is the 'FATHER' of angels, He is the FATHER of His people here:
~ 1 Chronicles 17:13; I will be to him (Solomon) a Father, and he shall be to me a son.
~ 1 Chronicles 28:6; ‘It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his Father.
~ 1 Chronicles 29:10; And David said: “Blessed are you, O LORD, the God of Israel our Father, forever and ever.
~ Psalm 68:5; Father of the fatherless and protector of widows
is God in his holy habitation.
~ Psalm 89:26; He shall cry to me, ‘You are my Father,
my God, and the Rock of my salvation.'
~ Isaiah 63:16; For you are our Father,
though Abraham does not know us,
and Israel does not acknowledge us,
you, O LORD, are our Father,
our Redeemer from of old is your name.
~ Jeremiah 3:19; How I would set you among my sons,
and give you a pleasant land, a heritage most beautiful of all nations.
And I thought you would call me, My Father, and would not turn from following me.
* That should be enough, but there are probably hundreds of passages where God proclaims He is the Father of His people and just as many passages that His people or Israel are called His children or sons.
* Now show me scripture where angels are 'specifically named' (not presumed) as God's children, sons or that He is the Father of them.
God Bless and Look Up
Did God suspend His natural law in Genesis 1? All creation reproduces after their own kind, that is every creature and even plants. Are angel's DNA compatible with human DNA, or do angels have DNA as they are spirit beings? ~ Is it possible that faithful humans can be called 'sons of God'?
Romans 8:14 ~ For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God.
~ Why are the 'sons of God' (angels) exclusively unique from the other 'sons of God' (humans) if all scripture is inspired by the same God? Is God the author of confusion?
~ Here are some human 'sons of God' from the Bible:
Luke 3:38 ~ the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Deuteronomy 14:1 ~ You are the sons of the Lord your God...
Matthew 5:9 ~ Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Hosea 1:10 ~ ...“You are the sons of the living God.”
Galatians 3:26 ~ For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:19 ~ For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God. ~ Did God destroy the world because of giant angel/human hybrids, or because the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually (Gen 6:5)? ~ If the 'sons of God' (Gen 6) were actually 'people' that abandoned their faith in God and were enticed to idolatry by beautiful women and intimidating giants, would Satan ever again use this tactic? Let's look at scripture: ~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you. ~ Nehemiah 13:25; You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves.
~ Exodus 34:16; ...and you take some of his daughters for your sons and his daughters play the harlot with their gods, and his daughters would play the prostitute with their gods and cause your sons also to play the prostitute with their gods.
~ Joshua 23:12&16; ...and intermarry with them so that you associate with them and they with you & then the anger of the Lord will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you. ~ 1 Kings 11:2; ...& you shall not associate with them, neither shall they associate with you for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods. Solomon held fast to these in love.
~ Ezra 9:14; ...shall we again break thy commandments and intermarry with the peoples who commit these abominations? Would You not be angry with us to the point of destruction, until there is no remnant nor any who escape?
~ 1 Kings 11:4; For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. ~ There are reasonable explanations for abnormalities without bringing in silly pagan writings of 450 ft tall giants.
Thank you for your explanation and backing it up with verses. I'm having a hard time not believing both his explanation and yours but I know only one of them is correct. He seems to back his up with other stories like the angels taking the form of men multiple times and angels also being alled sons of God. And you prove yours with many verses showing men being referred to as sons of God. I'm having a hard time with it. Is there anything else you can point me to? Thank you.
@@jimsolmer1292 Hello Jim, I recently watched a TH-cam video by 'Masterpiece Bible' named, "Who are the SONS OF GOD in Genesis 6? | In-depth textual analysis | Bible study" that is much more convincing than I could ever be.
John MacArthur mentions 1 Corinthians 11:10 that women should cover their heads because of the angels, implying that angels will be unable to control their sexual desire if they see a woman's hair. This is nonsense, because these verses are all about submitting to God's structure of the proper authority. Note that the immediate context mentions that the wives head should be covered while 'PRAYING OR PROPHESYING' apparently all other times the angels are not aroused.. this is silly. This is what I believe this scripture is all about: First century church had the men and women separate with the women in the balconies. Women in defiance could remove their head covering without the husband noticing, but Paul is reminding them that angels are there.
Best wishes and God Bless
@@larrymoore2571 I just watched it and it definitely cleared it up for me and made more sense. Thanks for reccomending it.
@@jimsolmer1292 Here is something you may consider. Who are 'the sons of God' in Genesis 6:2? The only biblical definition is in:
~ Romans 8:14; "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."
Is it possible that the 'sons of God' in Genesis 6:2 is defined in Genesis 6:3?
~ Genesis 6 (2) the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.
(3) Then the LORD said, “My 'SPIRIT' shall not 'ABIDE' in 'MAN' forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” ESV
Something about these marriages is causing God to remove His 'Spirit' from who? MAN
"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."
Note that the wickedness of MAN was great, and the continual evil thoughts of MAN grieved the Lord so that He was sorry he made MAN.
There is no mention of angels until Genesis 16.
There is much speculation about the Nephilim being giants and the product of angel/women unions. Somehow, they survived the flood and God failed to completely irradicate them.
Nephilim (Hebrew definition: 'fallen ones') the LXX added gigante or 'giants' to the definition centuries later.
What if the Hebrew definition of Nephilim (fallen ones) applies here.
~Psalm 53 2-3; "God looks down from heaven on the children of man to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all 'FALLEN AWAY';
together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good, not even one."
This emphasis is on the moral decay of MAN, not some demigod race, and that fits the narrative of Genesis 6.
God Bless
@@jimsolmer1292 said, " He seems to back his up with other stories like the angels taking the form of men multiple times and angels also being (c)alled sons of God."
I know of no 'fallen angel' in the Bible taking the form of men, only loyal angels serving God. Notice that the rebellion happened before Genesis 6 when that beautiful angel of light 'Lucifer', rebelled and became Satan tempting Eve in the garden. He was unable to appear as a beautiful angel, but he possessed a serpent. I believe demon possession is fallen angels that possess people because they are demonic spirits that are unable to appear as humans.
Heb 1:5 "For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”?". This verse indicates that no, angels are not sons of God.
Job 38:7 says otherwise
And the genealogy of jesus in luke says adam was the son of God
@@dalelinebarger8439 the term we are talking about is son(s) of God. They are angels
@@pkingusorun translation, translation, we must pay attention to the original word in old Hebrew, was it "angels" or 'sons of God"?
@@dalelinebarger8439 yes, son of God, not Son of God
The angel interpretation of Genesis 6:2 is by far the best, but if these fallen angels merely possessed humans in order to procreate with humans, that still leaves the question as to why their offspring would be anything other than human. And yet, there is also no reason to think that fallen angles could reproduce on their own. I think that's probably the most we can say for certain. Perhaps MacArthur is correct. Or perhaps the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim are the actual demons, and the fallen angels are simply held captive in eternal chains under gloomy darkness. But I can't be sure.
What you said in the second half of the paragraph is spot on. Disembodied spirits of Nephilim = demons
Watchers who sinned are chained up 1 Pt 2:4
Rubbish. If you would take the time to read the rest of scriptures you would see that God continuously over and over again forbids marriage between believing men and women and the ungodly unbelieving men and women. It is nothing but trouble when that Union materializes and God sends continual warning. That is what's biblical that's the account repeated over and over and that's good Doctrine. Not some fantasy half person half demon hybrid animal thing. That's Egyptian and Greek theology and pure rubbish. Many good Christians though fall for this Hook Line & sinker.
All the ancients believed MacArthur's understanding. The Jewish Talmud, Josephus, etc., etc. The modern Seth Cain nonsense came up after Jesus Christ and in the early church age - Augustus and others. Even the mythology matches the demonic mindset. Demigods, Mt. Olympus, Hercules, etc.
Do goats procreate with dogs ? Why are demons not taking wives. You are teaching fables.
@@aaronloomis8750 Why are demons taking on wives? Because "they left their first estate." This is why a great many fallen angels have been locked up even before the final judgment. MacArthur explains this in this message. If you knew the topic you would know this passage. The classic Biblical scriptures that everyone KNOWS who has studied this topic are Genesis 6:1-4, II Peter 2 and Jude. The Jewish Talmud and Josephus are fables? Hardly. All the ancients agree with what MacArthur shares. Most modern scholars are in lockstep with each other as light has recently come upon this subject. Prophecy conferences I have attended are likewise in unison. A good book to read to educate yourself on this theme is what is rapidly becoming a classic book on this subject: Fallen: The Sons of God and the Nephilim
Book by Tim Chaffey.
John MacArthur says, "There is no way that men in the Old Testament are designated as 'sons of God."
Deuteronomy 14:1 "You are sons of the LORD your God... "
Hosea 1:10 “You are the sons of the living God.”
Can we agree that the 'living God' and the 'Lord your God' is at least the same God?
Romans 8:14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God."
In the genealogy of Christ in Lukes gospel, Adam is called the son of God.
King James Version 14:1 it says children of the lord and the New Living Translation, since you are the people of the lord neither say sons of God
@@karls4451 Interlinear Hebrew is 'bene Yehovah Elohim', literally translates as: sons Lord God.
@@larrymoore2571 well to make it worse some say, sons of god, fallen angels took human women and became Nephilem and worse became other things like Dogmen and Sasquatch crazy times we live in! I’ve even heard that DNA tests have said that mitacondrial dna tests have proved human dna on the mother side and unknown on the father side ?? Crazy times🤷
It amazes me how these supposed men of God can so badly mess up what the Bible clearly tells us. Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Galatians 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Also....1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Can you explain to me more clearly what you’re trying to say with these Scriptures?
@@robertjackson8790 if you need this explained to you then I suggest you pray fervently and without ceasing asking for knowledge, understanding and wisdom
@robertjackson8790
Never mind the insensitive answer to your question. He's referring to scriptures in the New Testament basically saying that at no time did God call angels His sons. But the term "sons of God" was the common term for angels in the Old Testament. There's more to his comment also but don't worry about other people's theology. Just ask the Lord for wisdom and He will give it liberally and without reproach (James 1:5). Sorry that another so-called Christian would treat your serious question with such disdain and disrespect. God bless you brother!
@@mikemartinez842 which old testament scriptures are you referring too?
@@mikemartinez842 it's not my theology, it's written in the Bible, but I suppose that's easy to confuse when you choose to believe "common terms" over actual scripture.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the (sons of God), even to them that believe on his name:
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the (sons of God.)
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the (sons of God.)
Phi 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, (the sons of God), without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the (sons of God:) therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the (sons of God,) and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Don't trust anyone, study the word of God for yourself!
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: ((the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.))
Thank you kind STRANGER. I copied those verses down in my notebook.
Don't mix Sons by adoption with angelic sons of God.
These scriptures relate to sons of God through adoption- the idea is that we, sons of God through adoption will replace in God's divine congregation and judge those sons of God (angels) who did not keep their first estate in Gen 6.
@@jauroalmendrez304 Don't mix pagan book fallacies with the simple truth of God's word.
@@larrymoore2571 could you then explain the origins of the Nephilims? There is no definite interpretation to that scripture but I think the context has given a clue. Now, I know the book of Enoch is not inspired but it has relevant information that can help us understand better the text. If Peter and Jude could make reference to the book of Enoch, then it makes sense to join the dots with information it provides. Unless if you want to tell me that the Bible has every information we ever needed. John says many things have Jesus done that could not be written ( no scroll or parchments could hold)
People. Yes. The sons of God in Gen.6 refer to the angels. These are the angels in Jude 6 and 7 that are in chains as an example. That is where the nephilim came from.
Speculation of the worst type
Nephilim are not mentioned in the Bible.
No where in the text are angels mentioned, no where! The text is talking about men from start to finish! I hear it continually that the “ sons of God” are angels, and that that is how angels are referred to in Job. It is a wrong reading of these passages. Look in the genealogy of Jesus in Lukes gospel and you will see Adam called the son of God. Even in the legacy standard bible masters seminary just released. Although you might say in the text the word son isn’t used to describe Adam the translators saw the word son used from christ to Adam, they used son to bring out the flow of what was being said. Adam was the son of God. The Nephilim were men of old, men of renown. They weren’t half angel, half men! Not the offspring of angels and human women. In the epistle to the hebrews jesus had to be made in every way like his brethren, and the world and creation is not subject to angels but to Abrahams seed!!! You take this angels having sex with women to far and what if an angel had sex with a half angel half women, you get a three quarters angel one quarter woman offspring. It’s ridiculous! We are to stay away from controversial things, myths and old wives fables!! Angels are spirits, women flesh and blood!! The entire text is talking about men spreading out on the earth and they saw how beautiful mens daughters were and married whoever they wanted to, then God says He will not strive with men .
You so very right I can’t believe John thinks this… Lordy!!
Adam was created directly by God so he was son of God.
@@jauroalmendrez304 Everyone is created directly by God even unbelievers. The 'sons of God' are those elected to be God's people.
@@peteryoung4974my question of you Angel deniers is- what does belief in this doctrine take away from the gospel? If it takes away from the gospel then I would consider it a dangerous doctrine. But it doesn’t as far as I can see.
Well he’s incredibly wrong about “this is where sin entered in with humanity” or how we ended up in a fallen world. The world was fallen before the sons of god decided to chase some tail. Sin was clearly already here. They taught man a lot of bad stuff sure but fallen angels or demons are not the reason humans are corrupted or fallen. They ate from the tree. God said not to. Therefore sin was into the world. MacArthur should know this…it’s weird he doesn’t seem to.
Which sermon is this from?
John clearing things up in a nutshell! Excellent explanation as usual
What about Jesus own words:
“Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.”
Matthew 22:29-30 NKJV
“Jesus answered and said to them, “Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.”
Mark 12:24-25 NKJV
That’s why the angels left their heavenly abode and came to earth to mate with the human women because they cannot do those things in heaven.
That’s the whole point, they weren’t meant to marry, you don’t have to marry to have children, that’s also the point! Nephilim are Giants the offspring of the Sons of God in Genesis and the daughters of men. Sons of God in Genesis 6 and that appears several times throughout Job is the Hebrew word Bnei HaElohim. Bnei HaElohim and always means angelic beings and never ever used for Human Beings. You don’t get giants for normal human relationships!
The Sons of God are not Angels.
Also Luke 20:34
Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God.
No human is a Son of God until the resurrection. Paul said they will be revealed, at the resurrection. You can not be a son of God being born of a man and woman that’s why we need to be reborn and adopted .
Moses, who wrote Genesis never called a man a Son of God, that’s because Job says the sons of God are in heaven and Moses probably knew the book of Job because it’s the oldest book in the Bible.
One cannot use the New Testament as context for Genesis 6. Job is that context.
Of all the preachers I listen to I never would have guessed John MacArthur would do a teaching based on 100% speculation. This sounds like something Jimmy Swaggart would teach.
No,Truth 100%,is a very clear doctrine in the bible.
Your just waking up?
@@jauroalmendrez304 the first Christians went to the colesium without ever having a bible. Luther started that lie that it had to be in the bible.
Yeah he’s a clown
@@stephenpaul9165those who have an IQ of 83 and above America has jobs for.
Those who have an IQ below 83 America does not have jobs for.
Now this is a true statement because I said it.
Curiosity Never Killed the kitty is the statement true or false.
This is an IQ test.
And there is NO SUCH thing as "DEMONS" being called "the sons of GOD"!!! I love you John MacArthur, but you're wrong about this, and Scripture says that you are wrong: "For unto which of the angels said HE at any time, THOU ART MY SON, this day have I begotten THEE? And again, I will be to HIM A FATHER, and HE shall be to ME a SON? (Hebrews 1:5 KJV)"
Nephilim are Giants the offspring of the Sons of God in Genesis and the daughters of men. Sons of God in Genesis 6 and that appears several times throughout Job is the Hebrew word Bnei HaElohim. Bnei HaElohim and always means angelic beings and never ever used for Human Beings. You don’t get giants from normal human relationships!
What are they then.
MacArthur’s full explanation of the wickedness of man on the earth debilitating to demon possession of men and the sexual relations with women who willingly accepted these demonic unions makes the most logical Biblical sense. This wasn’t holy matrimony with holy angels who serve God and us. It obviously is the work of Satan’s deception as with Adam and Eve. This just didn’t happen with The Lord’s holy angelic host and giants appear. This was the height of evil and in context with the flood judgement. Review all the cross references everywhere.
The problem here is John's way of explaining what took place here. The angles were the sons of GOD and at the time of there transgression were still angles it was not until after leaving there habitation to sin and then to be put under the judgment of GOD and sentenced for their actions were they then referred to as Demons. So while today we can correctly reefer to them as demons at the time of their transgression this was not the case as they had yet to be charged and sentenced. There is more information on this entire subject derived from the finding of the dead sea scrolls primarily an article titled "On the Origin of Watchers" published in the Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha by Amar Annus of the University of Tartu · School of Theology and Religious Studies.
@@markchandler001wrong
Why would demons/fallen angels be considered sons of God?
Because a heretical pagan book said they were 'sons of God', and people find that fairytale more interesting than the truth of God's word, the Bible.
@@larrymoore2571would that pagan book be the book of Job?
Demons aren’t the sons of God. The Angeles are the sons of god- their children were the nephelim, and when they died either before the flood or during, their spirits being neither all elohim nor all human, they become wandering evil spirits.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko where is this info coming from? Folklore, Pseudepigraphal or apocryphal literature, but definitely not scripture.
@@biblebasics101 well Jesus said in scripture that when an unclean spirit is cast out of a man it wanders in dry places. Then they return to the man to become embodied in them again. Demons embody through possession because this is how they can sin again, by way of using a human body. It’s possible they wander in dry places because they were drowned in the flood. We know that demons are not as powerful as angels. A single angel can destroy thousands. Yet a thousand demons can inhabit a man and cause mental and emotional distress but not kill him. We know that the angels who sinned went after strange flesh. Read Jude who compares the sin of the angels with the sin of soddom. The thing is if you read your Bible these things are spelled out clearly. Why does god counsel with other “gods”? Why does he make a request of the demonic spirits who will convince ahab to go into battle? There’s more going on than people are willing to accept although it’s written right there in scripture. Are the sons of god men or are they angels? Why did Nebuchadnezzar say he saw the three Hebrew boys in the furnace yet a south appeared like a son of god?
If one pays strict attention to the text of Gen.6:1-4 (in any version) , the Giants (or Nephilim or space aliens or "whatever") were on the earth both before and after "those days".
What were "Those days"?
Those days were "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." The sons of God, according to the text, are distinguished from the "whatever". Also the men of renown, by extension, were not the offspring of the "whatever" and the daughters, but rather the union of the sons of God and the daughters.
If the corruption were the result of a polluted fallen angel/human hybrid gene pool, for which God wiped out mankind, then why does the sin of mankind have any bearing on it at all?
Verse 5 gives the reason "And God saw that the wickedness of MAN (not fallen angels) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of HIS heart was only evil continually."
Who then were the sons of God?
Genesis 6:4 Give the first mention of "sons of God". If they are shown to be "fallen angels", the hermeneutical principle of first mention would require that that meaning must carry through the rest of scripture.
In Job (1:6, 2:1 and 38:7) they are clearly angels. "and Satan came among them." (1:6 and 2:1) Ergo Satan (who is indeed a fallen angel) is not one of them. If I "come among the New York Yankees" it it is clear from the context that I am not a "one of them".
Hebrews 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? "
Hosea 1:10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God."
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
So we see then that, While Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God, the sons of God are those humans (and angels) who are led by the Spirit of God. Clearly this excludes Satan and his fallen minions.
Are not angels spirits? Luke 24:39 Did not Jesus say "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
Dr. MacArthur would have us believe that angels, which don't have flesh and bones, actually have male genitalia capable of being used to copulate with human women?
Do angels have male genitalia or human compatible DNA so that they are able to impregnate human women.? Would God create angels with the ability to do that?
Lets say for the sake argument that these Sons of God are men possessed by a devil. Does that change their DNA so that their offspring are human/angel hybrid creatures?
Really?
You are wrong. In Luke 3:38, Adam was mentioned as the "son of God".
Adam should also be considered "A son of God". And the reason for that was, he just like the Angels, are direct creations of God.
@@MundusMichaels Every human is a direct creation of God:
Psalm 139:13 For You created my innermost parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb.
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,"
Isaiah 44:2 This is what the LORD says, He who made you and formed you from the womb,
The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament. Can humans be called son(s) of God? Of course! Those led by the Spirit of God ARE considered 'sons of God'.
Roman 8:14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons and daughters of God." All the parsing of words to try to promote a pagan fable does not impress.
He literally says in the video that “sons of God” refers to those directly created by God, not by a human union. This describes Adam, so this passage not only fails to prove your point but also helps defend his point.
Those who believe in God and keep his commandments (TRUTHS) are the sons of God. Two sets of people are in the world at all times, the sons of man and the sons of God.
Galatians 4:3-6;
3. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4. But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5. To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
We are under the law when we do not keep the law, just as if we broke a law of the country, state, or town that we live in. We will be punished under that law and be a servant of the state, a servant of sin, we are in bondage sold under sin, for sin is the transgression of the law. Those who are keeping the Law, through the Spirit of Christ, are not under the Law any longer. We are adopted into the family of Abraham and are the sons of God.
1 John 3:1;
1. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:
Interesting conjecture brother JM,
In saying the “sons of God” are demons then these creatures must be embodied in some form of a matter? Creating Nephilim/anuk with the daughters of men? Men of renown
Apparently, angels, inculding Satan and fallen angels/demons, have some sort of genetic building blocks as well.
HOW certain fallen angels mixed their seed with the seed of women is not discussed here.
But one thing is certain, God sys Satan has "seed",,, which would indicate other fallen angels do too.
Genesis 3:15
King James Version
" And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
Actually his explanation is very wrong because according to the Bible "the sons of God" are not angels as seen on Heb 1:5. Like he says; the term "sons of God" is used a number of time in the old testament (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7) but it does not mean angels but literal sons of God. If you read Deut 32 :8-14 it says: " When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance , when he ddevided the sons on man, He set the bounderies of the peoples accourding to the unmer of the sons of God" (ESV, BSB, ISV, MST, NABNET BIBLE, NRSV, NHEB).
The sons of god here were the false gods of the nations.
That is 100% correct. I don’t understand that the exact word is only used in about 4 places , 2 for sure in Job, yet people try to pull from text that isn’t there. Job is clear. Moses was a contemporary of the book of Job. He probably read Job! He didn’t get Bene Elohim from the New Testament. Many think heaven is empty or just filled only with messengers. ( angels) A causal look at earth will tell you that it’s not true. Variety is an attribute of God, Also many think a God who has been here forever never made other things before physical creation.
@@bobthomas1536 it’s quite simple. 1 Peter 3:19-20. Peter talks about angels sinning during the time while the ark was being prepared. These are the same spirits in prison that Jesus preached to. Simple. Solved. If not who were the spirits in prison that sinned during the time in which the ark was being prepared? They sinned after the fall of Lucifer so they can’t be his.
@@GoemonLovesFujikothose spirits could’ve just been possessing human bodies. We see numerous examples of demon possession in the Bible. Fallen Angels could not manifest into human forms anymore because they fell and got kicked out of Heaven. They followed Satan willingly. But we see Angels who never fell and are still in Heaven appearing in human form throughout the entire Bible.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko
~ Deuteronomy 32:8; “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,
When He separated the sons of mankind, He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the sons of Israel.
Many will try and tell you the above passage is about the Tower of Babel when God
separated the nations by confusing their language... it is NOT!
God commissioned Moses to write a song for 'FUTURE' generations ‘when’ Joshua
Led them into the promised land and divided up the land based on the number
of each tribe. So, the song is written so that when it refers back to the time when God
Divided the land... This was the present time for Moses and Joshua but written for future generations.
~Deuteronomy 31:17&19; “Now then, write this song for yourselves,
and teach it to the sons of Israel;
... (for it shall not be forgotten from the mouth of their descendants);
‘He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the sons of Israel.’
~ Joshua 17:14-19; Then the sons of Joseph spoke to Joshua, saying, “Why have you given me
only one lot and one portion for an inheritance, since I am a numerous people whom the LORD has
thus far blessed?” Joshua said to them, “If you are a numerous people, go up to the forest and clear a place for yourself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the Rephaim, since the hill country of Ephraim is too narrow for you.” The sons of Joseph said, “The hill country is not enough for us, and all the Canaanites who live in the valley land have chariots of iron, both those who are in Beth-Shean and its towns and those who are in the valley of Jezreel.” Joshua spoke to the house of Joseph, to Ephraim and Manasseh, saying, “You are a numerous people and have great power; you shall not have one lot only, but the hill country shall be yours.
Be Blessed
Another thing; in genesis 6 these sons of God took wives! Angels don’t marry, men do! Read matt. 22:23-30. We christians would do well to judge all things hold fast to that which is true. I love john macarthur but he is wrong on a number of truths.
Yep your very right .
That is true. And I’m not saying that he is right. But we do have to consider the fact that if we’re saying these are fallen angels, why would they be obedient to God’s design.
@@robertjackson8790
Angels are spirits. They aren’t flesh and blood. Women are flesh and blood. When jesus told nicodemus that “ you must be born again, jesus said that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit. There is a distinction. To have child a woman needs a man who is flesh not a spirit. And angels don’t marry or reproduce. But men do. And men are called sons of God in the genealogy of jesus in lukes gospel. The passage in genesis 6 is merely talking about men. Angels are not even mentioned
@@dalelinebarger8439 There are references in Scripture, where Sons of God refers to angels. And there is a possibility that these angels had the ability to take on human form or physical form. Satan, is believed to be an angel and he inhabited, the body of a physical serpent. The angels in Sodom and Gomorrah took on the appearance as a physical men. So we do have instances where angels take on physical appearance. And flesh as referenced in the Scriptures is not explicitly for human flesh and serves to be more of a reference to sinful nature.
@@robertjackson8790
As a christian I am told to not believe myths, old wives fables or controversial things. Christ came into the world to save and rescue men. Hebrews 2: 14- “ Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He himself likewise also partook of the same , that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. For assuredly He does not give help to angels but He gives help to Abrahams descendants.”
I don’t take into account possibilities. I take into account clear biblical teaching. God makes a clear distinction between men and angels. Angels are spirits, men flesh and blood. Angels no where in scripture were given the commandment to be fruitful and multiply, men were! If, there was some angelic dna in the human stream, why does scripture say jesus was made like his brothers in every way. Jesus was made like men! He came to rescue Abrahams seed. If, angels had children with human women there would have been very clear scriptural proof, but there is none! Jesus never mentioned it! We as christians are to be grounded in sound doctrine. Not vain imaginings. Follow the Lord.
If demons can enter the body at that time , what was satan doing , why would he choose a serpent, did he take up a wife?
Demons also entered animals. Remember when Legion entered the swine?
Thank you for speaking the truth
Your absolutely 💯 👌 correct. Pastor
He's wrong angels are not mankind therefore they cannot reproduce with mankind, according to genesis everything reproduces after its own kind, the son's of God also refers to elect men Romans 8:14-17 King James Version (KJV)
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God1 John 3:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God:
And last but not least Christ himself affirmed that angels cannot be given in Marriage to the Sadduccee's
I was under the impression that the angels who visited LOT were in human form. If that's correct, how do we know others were not assigned to tasks to help men, while being in human form?
@@ambientweets8408 good Angels yes take on human form and indwell newly created bodies for such a purpose. There's not one single instance in the Bible were a bad Angel creates a new human form to indwell. You can write that in capital letters.
The Hebrew word used here for sons of god is not that same word as the word for demon or angel. It is separate entirely. It seems to refer to spiritual beings, created by God, and existent in heaven prior to creation. Michael Helser explains this well in “The Unseen Realm”.
No youre actually wrong.
That explains why Cain's lineage starts with Adam and Seth's lineage starts with God.
Or.... Why Jesus Christ chose the name Son of Man instead of Son of God.
Or why the sins listed in Genesis 6 are an EXACT match for the ones in the garden of Eden.
Or why God attributed the flood to Man, Men, or MANKIND but never mentioned Angels, Fallen angels, or Demons in Genesis 6.
Better explanation for this presentation comes from Colossians 2 : 8 and 2 Timothy 4 : 3 - 4.
@@jthomas7904 Excellent, thank you for redirecting these myths back to the truth of God's word.
@@jthomas7904 Instead of ranting about things you know nothing about, might want to have a basic understanding of hermeneutics and hebrew. Sons of God (Bene ha' Elohim), literally Sons of God is mentioned 5 times in the Bible. Once in Gen6:2, 3 times in the book of Job and once in Daniel. Everytime it is mentioned, it refers to angels. In this case it refers to fallen angels as they took and had relations with earthly women. Their progeny are called the Nephilim (fallen ones). Demons are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim. In fact whenever hebrew people talked about demons, they referred to them as Tamu-Nefal. Dead nephilim.
If you still don't get it, then explain how the good line of Seth, marrying the bad line of Cain gave birth to giants. Kissing cousins don't make giants, DNA 101.
The whole issue with the union of fallen angels and earthly women was to corrupt the man's seed thus preventing the birth of Jesus. Hence the flood to start anew.
There is plenty of info and sound hermeneutical principles/doctrine about this subject. One just needs to study and not have a wrong pre-conceived idea.
@@jthomas7904we know there was violence in the earth in the days of Noah because of the giants. There were giants because of the sons of god. We know who the sons of god are because of Job. Also we know that one of Noah’s grandfathers was Jared. Jared means “ to come down” - this was when the watchers/sons of god descended into the earth.
And they're back.
It’s so funny watching this religious Pharisee try to explain something he had no understanding of at all.
Pastor MacArthur...thank you for clarifying this subject. Clearly, those Sons of God were created by God not man. Seth did not foster a Godly line...it was not until Jesus and salvation did we, the human race became "Son's" of God.
John's explanation misuses the term angel.
Look up on your own how the term angel, demon, sons of God are used in the Bible.
Easily understood is the fact that he says that angels are a creation of God. and that is true. However, his blanket use of the term of angels for Sons of God does not equal each other. For clarity on this look up videos by Dr. Michael Heiser on angels, demons and Satan.
Gen 6:1-2 1 And it came to pass when man commenced to multiply upon the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them. אוַֽיְהִי֙ כִּֽי־הֵחֵ֣ל הָֽאָדָ֔ם לָרֹ֖ב עַל־פְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה וּבָנ֖וֹת יֻלְּד֥וּ לָהֶֽם:
2 That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose. בוַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ:
It's his Intrepretation
He has time to cover all bible
In his years as a full time minister fortunately salvation doesn't depend on knowledge!
This is completely wrong, anyone who believes this interpretation doesn’t understand the scriptures. This would include J McA.
Curious for your interpretation?
He’s not wrong. Rightly divide scripture.
sons of God are demons?? This sounds like heresy
No. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the hybrid children of the angels. They’re unclean spirits. This is why demons seek to possess. This is probably also why Jesus said when they’re cast out they seek dry places. I wonder if this is because many of them perished in the flood.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko God's inspired word would plainly reveal this very serious allegation of 'hybrid children of angels' if true. God does not need pagan books to explain the clear truth of His word. Angels did sin 'left their 1st estate', not procreated with human women. The theme of Genesis 6 is the same as dozens of stories in the OT. God's people went after pagan women and God punished them because they turned to idolatry. I know it is more exciting to think of demigods, forbidden sexual encounters, bigfoot and fairies, but here is an example of what happened in Gen. 6:
~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; “Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you."
@@larrymoore2571 gods inspired word referenced these angels in “chains reserved for judgement”. This is mentioned a few times. So the angels who kept not their first estate were who? And what does that mean? Jude mentioned it assuming his audience knew. So then we should know too ?
@@GoemonLovesFujiko Jude and 2nd Peter states that angels sinned, but it never says they copulated with women. This is circular reasoning whereas people theorize that angels made babies with women, and Jude mentions that angels left their 1st estate, so that must mean that angels made babies. Ignoring the fact that God's word simply does not say that, and actually ignoring the fact that God's natural law in Genesis 1 would have to be suspended. God does not need pagan books to explain His bible.
So, they left their 1st estate, what could that be?
~ Isaiah 14:12-14; “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, you who have weakened the nations!
“But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north. ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’
What is missing? Demigod offspring!
@@larrymoore2571 what was the particular sin of these Angels then? We can infer by scripture that it was something particularly grievous because they’re are in chains, and imprisoned. How can you explain their from scripture?
Check out R. C. Sproul's interpretation
RC Sproul can't even get salvation and the elect and chosen and man's role in accepting a free gift correctly and you want him to sort this one out? ROTFLOL !!!
Law of biogenesis refutes this claim
I like that he puts it as demons. That puts it in a different light and helps me see it more clearly. If the sons of God are fallen angels and all the nephilim stuff. There is no reason for that to parelel is becoming sons and daughters of God by accepting His grace. Fallen angels/demons being Sons of God is a straight contradiction!
I need to clarify and give credit where it's due. @nehemiahthomad3395 's comment helped me see that
No sir. You have succumb to semantics. Bad idea. Read the Hypostasis of the Archons and compare.
Of course godly people can be 'sons of Gods' (or daughters). That's why in the Lord's Prayer, we pray to 'Our Father' ... precisely because sons and daughters have a father.
On this interpretation of the sons of God in the context of the Genesis passage, he is correct.
Not even close!! Jesus Christ refers to Himself as The Son of Man and not The Son of God. Why?
Cain's lineage starts with Adam but Seth's lineage starts with God.
The sins listed in Genesis 6 are EXACTLY the same as in the garden of Eden.
Hams lineage explains what happened when a son of God took for himself a wife from the daughters of men.
@@jthomas7904Sooooo, from your interpretation Cain is not Adam's son and Adam's not God's son?!? C'mon, man.. Them sons of God in Gen 6 is angels. Men corrupted themselves in this way before and after the flood. That's not a good exegesis the Bible. Try again, sir. Do better.
@@terryjones1718 From my interpretation? Blahahahaha....
4 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.” Genesis 4
This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. ~ Genesis 5
Can you read the difference of how the lineages are listed? Do you need an interpreter? Let me know so I can break out the crayons.
@@terryjones1718 Ok... doing better....
Why did Jesus Christ refer to Himself as The Son of Man and not The Son of God? Which would the Jewish leaders find more offensive and why? Did the Jewish leaders consider themselves sons of God?
@@jthomas7904 I don't know what the Jewish leaders considered themselves neither do I know what Bible you're reading. Jesus considered the Jewish leaders gods AND he called himself both the son of man AND the son of God quite a few times in John. Strike 2...and you're getting worse. Reading is fundamental. Do better please.
Now pay attention to the title... According to this man...not God, but according to this guy...for me that's a red flag...cuz.. it should have read... According to the word of God
You do understand the person who runs this channel is the one that uploaded the video and created the title right? The man speaking is John MacArthur who for the most part is very well known for a very strong Biblical Doctrine and had The channel properly gave Credit to John MacArthur and posted the original date of this sermon so you could hear its entirety you more than likely would have heard John MacArthur credit this to GOD's word. That being said we are to trust in no man for all have sinned and have fallen short so red flags should go up when anyone is speaking especially if there's not a bible in his hand, or if he's holding a message bible..lol... This channel knows the following that Macarthur has and that what he says holds weight in the Christian community so by saying according to this man the assumption is it's probably a good interpretation. In most cases especially this one I believe that assumption to be a good one. Check out Dr Michael Heiser's work " The Unseen Realm" to get some more background as to why this is the proper interpretation. Dr Heiser is a biblical scholar who has also taught as a professor at the University level and I believe is proficient in reading and interpreting something like ten or more ancient languages and one of his primary goals is to make it as easy as possible for the laymen to read the bible. He also worked for logos bible software for many years doing bible interpretation. That doesn't mean he can't be wrong about things it's just a lot less likely.
@@quantumquatro you've said a lot and to be honest I didn't read it all, I did some, but not all👍 and none of it changes my mind, or give them the right to do to me what they did, and just for those that may not know...if you are a human being... living or breathing or deceased.. cuz no one is really dead they are in Paradise with Christ, you are a son of God, or daughter of God.. period, plain and simple, and anything taught other than that.. it's false teaching, I don't care who's teaching it😑
I love John MacArthur. But this interpretation is wrong.
Why is it wrong? You can’t get away from the Bible telling you who the sons of God are in Job. You have to use pretzel logic to have the sons of God as anything else but heavenly creatures. The Bible never calls men bene Elohim. John MacArthur is correct, during the time of Jesus the Jewish clergy all believed that the Nephilim came from Angels procreating with men. The whole Seth line idea didn’t start up until Augustine who tried to strip any spiritual aspect of the Bible and replace it with human philosophy. It’s heretical because Paul clearly says that these are the things we are at war with. These heavenly powers.
When one has to use numerous passages , cherry picked, to formulate the Seth line idea, when the clear plane reading of the text tells you what happened. You can’t get around it.
This is an errant reading of scripture by John, like he does with the pre trib rapture nonsense, there is no verse in all of scripture that mentions a pre trib rapture and no one can produce one. All they do is produce verses which describing Jesus’ return on the last day and twist it and add 5,000 words to it to try and prove a point which cannot be proven. Jesus himself said in john chapter 6 that he would raise up ALL that the Father gave him on the last day. The last day is the end of the age!! Parable of wheat and tares, lazarus’ sister martha said “ i know my brother will rise again on the last day”. The church is full of ear tickling explanations that don’t stand up against the words of scripture!!!!!
Uhhh… what’s your objection to the actual video then?
@@classicvlogs7910 my point is; as with other portions of scripture and other false doctrine no scripture proof is given only a personal opinion! Angels are spirits as stated in hebrews. And they don’t marry, as stated by Jesus himself! In order to produce children a human woman needs a human man! Obvious biology! Jesus also said that which is born of spirit is spirit, that which is born of flesh is flesh! He said the latter ti Nicodemus! It is stated falsely that the only ones called sons of God are angels, this is also a false statement. In lukes gospel in the geneology adam is said to be the son of God! In genesis 6 the context of the verses is that it is talking about men. When men began to spread out upon the earth! Men! The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and married whoever they wanted!! Remember angels don’t marry!! Also when jesus cast unclean spirits out no one saw the spirits. Then God says that he would not always strive with men. He wouldn’t strive with them because they were marrying whoever and no doubt however many of the daughters of men they wanted. They were sinning because jesus said about marriage that God had commanded one man to take one woman in marriage! It was common in those early years of men that men had multiple wives, look at Abraham, jacob etc. The whole context of genesis 6 is God commenting on mans bad behavior.
@@dalelinebarger8439 Yes, well stated Dale, I would have thought that there would be absolute clarity in scriptures to propose such nonsense as angels procreating with women and creating giant offspring, but there is so much more proof that this is Godly men that have been enticed by pretty women idolators and have abandoned their faith in God. This happens over and over again in the Old Testament. Here are just some of the examples:
~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you.
~ Nehemiah 13:25; You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves.
~ Exodus 34:16; ...and you take some of his daughters for your sons and his daughters play the harlot with their gods, and his daughters would play the prostitute with their gods and cause your sons also to play the prostitute with their gods.
~ Joshua 23:12&16; ...and intermarry with them so that you associate with them and they with you & then the anger of the Lord will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you.
~ 1 Kings 11:2; ...& you shall not associate with them, neither shall they associate with you for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods. Solomon held fast to these in love.
~ Ezra 9:14; ...shall we again break thy commandments and intermarry with the peoples who commit these abominations? Would You not be angry with us to the point of destruction, until there is no remnant nor any who escape?
~ 1 Kings 11:4; For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. God is not the author of confusion.
What is your explanation of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy in a post tribulation rapture?
@@jordanmadden7388
If I were you I would buy a copy of David Martyn Lloyd Jones book “ The great doctrines of the bible” and read the third section entitled “ The church and the last things”. Personally I don’t think any of the men who teach on future events know what they think they know. Daniel himself when asking what all these things meant was told by angels that it was for the end of time and that he would die and be raised up at the end, seal up the vision, he was told. Jesus is coming back on the last day. He will raise all believers up at that time, that’s what I know. And until then I am to live a holy, pure life seeking sanctification to the glory of God and Christ.
Genesis 1 is ELOHIM (Lucifer and the fallen angels).
They made this realm.
They made man in their image.
Man is an idol, a trap to hunt angels.
Genesis 2:7 the Lord God forms His representative in their system.
One Gospel:
Gospel (GOOD ANGEL) of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
The sons of God are the divine spiritual council. Some spirits rebelled in Genesis 6 and took for themselves daughters of men. They were spiritual beings. Angel is title for a spiritual being that acts as a messenger. Divine spiritual beings can take human form as is seen in Genesis where spiritual beings come down and speak with Abraham while he is with Yahweh. The unclean spirits are the demons, which resulted from the nephilim being wiped out in the flood. Demons were not involved in Genesis 6 they were the result, post flood. Unclean spirits.
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Agreed
And exceptionally accurate
couldn't disagree more
couldn't backup your comment any less then you did either
I think people are instantly offended by this doctrine because they focus on the Angeles seeking sex. I don’t think that’s the main sin here. It’s the fact that they wished to be creators like God was- and to have children. Obviously there is a “lust” element here to the story as well. But they sought to be like God.
No it's because it takes the responsibility of the offspring. These beings or people can now say the devil made me do it it's not my fault. So the flood was God choice to destroy the world through no fault of its own. That is not biblical and that is very bad doctrine. You are responsible for your sin, no one else is but you. You can't blame the devil you Can't Blame a demon the only one you can blame is the one in the mirror.
@@garyg7549 I’ve heard this “the devil made me do it” reasoning and it doesn’t track. Satan does persuade people. God allows it. God sends a lying spirit to ahab that will lead him to his death. It doesn’t in anyway remove responsibility. Was Adam guilty of his own sin even though Eve persuaded him? Yes. The sin of the watchers was that to lead men astray. The same as any demonic spirit that leads people into idolatry or witchcraft. Not sure what the problem is - but it’s scriptural sound.
@@GoemonLovesFujiko if the Reason God sent the flood what's for the sin of these half man half demons how can it be the fault of this creature ? Maybe I'm wrong but that makes no sense to me. As far as your other examples we have those today. The devil's going to tempt me through pornography and lost and the girl next door. But these are not temptations that are too strong for us to withstand. God would never do that. He's provided a way out. But a half demon half person has no way of escaping their plight. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but that's just how I see it. I think there's a difference between what you're saying and I'm saying. Good stuff brother keep up the good work
@@garyg7549 ah I see now. You’re speaking from the perspective of the “hybrid” beings. They’re the ones saying “the devil made me do it” is that it? Well- it’s for this reason I felt like the book of Enoch was suppressed and not canonized though I believe the early church was familiar with it, Jesus and Jude’s audience both. I think it’s because the watchers and their offspring come off as pitiful in the narrative. I reckon that this pity might cause some to wonder after them perhaps pity them and ultimately serve them. I can see that. But they’re not created by God. The nephelim are not of God yet theyre of spirit beings. The desire of the enemy to corrupt the bloodlines of man makes sense with scripture because of the prophecy in genesis 3 that the seed of the woman would bruise the seed of the serpent. Of course the devil has always tried to corrupt the bloodline, or kill male babies, time and time again, to snuff out the messiah. So the corruption that I feel is mentioned in genesis 6 which is so bad it required a global flood tracks with scripture.
@@garyg7549 I wrote a response to this but it’s not posting it looks like. Essentially I understand your line of reasoning but I don’t think it tracks. These offspring are not human- there is no salvation for them. They are the offspring of fallen and disobedient watchers.
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Adam was a son of God Luke 3:38 hence all man kind are sons of God. Then are we to conclude that we are all angels? No. I dont think God would allow an angel to become of human form to procreate as God told Adam and Eve to procreate. It would contradict his natural law. Just cause angels lost their heavenly being doesnt mean they came to earth as humans, they fell from light to darkness and are reserved for hell. Regarding Hebrews 13:2 it cant be in a literal sense for us today. It was referring to Abraham, however today as in Hebrews 1 states the Son, Jesus, has spoken to us and we have the gospel. We have God himself in the flesh why have or think of having or wanting someone else.The age of miracles, signs, wonders, etc. are no longer in effect. Christ is all we need. God Bless
Adam was a "son of God" because God was his Father and creator. After he sinned, he looked forward to death. Angels are "sons of God" for God is their Father and creator. Fallen angels (Lucifer among them) are fallen "sons of God" and look forward to the "Lake of Fire" and there can be no redemption for them because after being in the presence of a Holy God still chose to rebel and sin. Jobs sons were "sons of man" not sons of God. BUT all who are "in Christ" past (all the way to Adam) present and future are ADOPTED sons (children) of God. Also, after Jesus conquered death, fallen angels relinquished their right to be in the presence of God and accuse the sons of men on earth. But while on earth (until judgement day) they may tempt the sons of men and especially the adopted sons of God to sin or DOUBT the Word of God and become apostate.
Hello Ian, you had commented "Angels are "sons of God" for God is their Father and creator".
There is no dispute that God is the Creator of angels, but there is no scripture that claims that God is the angels Father, but actually refutes the idea that God has ever been the Father of angels here:
~ Hebrews 1:5; For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son,
today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a 'FATHER",
and he shall be to me a son”? This implies that God has NEVER claimed He is the Father of angels, and scripture never has God calling Himself Father to angels.
@@larrymoore2571 Thank you for your point. Let’s say that angels are adopted sons of God. Scripture calls angels sons of God. Not to be confused with the only begotten Son of God. There is a big difference. A son has to have a Father. Adam also was created yet God was his Father. Scripture does not call angels creatures or creations of God which would then imply they have no Father. But sons of God, albeit adopted sons. We humans are lower than the angels in hierarchy, but the redeemed after the first resurrection will be promoted higher than the angels which will continue throughout eternity.
@@iankirk9097 said, "Scripture calls angels sons of God."
* There is scripture that some people believe implies that angels are 'sons of God', but I have not found any verses that definitively call angels sons of God. I do find dozens of verses that call believers 'sons of God', such as here:
~ Matthew 5:9; “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."
* The following scripture is supposed to prove that 'sons of God' are angels, I think that is a misrepresentation of this passage.
~ Job 1:5-7; "When the days of feasting had completed their cycle, Job would send and 'CONSECRATE' them, rising up early in the morning and offering 'burnt offerings' according to the number of them all; for Job said, “Perhaps my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus, Job did continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” (Summary)
~ Job and his sons (Godly men 'sons of God') are 'CONSECRATED', presenting themselves before God with ‘BURNT’ offerings (sin offerings for sanctification, but 'BURNT' offerings are complete submission to God). Satan was among them on earth. God asked Satan and he said he was on earth. The next four verses Satan describes Job’s hedge of protection, his blessings and riches etc. Satan has been there with Job.
~ This isn't angels presenting themselves to God in heaven, this is Job on earth, with his sons called ‘sons of God’.
*Consecrate: to induct a person into permanent office with a religious rite i.e., to ordain the office of Bishop. To make or declare sacred, to devote irrevocably to the worship of God by a solemn ceremony.
*Men present themselves to God on earth all the time:
~ Joshua 24:1; Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem and summoned the elders, the heads, the judges, and the officers of Israel. And they presented themselves before God. (On earth just as Job & sons did).
@@larrymoore2571 Larry, we may need to beg to differ on this subject. One day all things will be made crystal clear. IMHO the sons of God (angels on assignment on earth) along with chief fallen angel himself presented themselves before God “in heaven” where Gods throne is. This is a spiritual passage of scripture. It didn’t take place on earth. The earth is God’s footstool. Satan himself said, “I am walking to and fro on the earth,” no doubt to see whom he could devour. For he goes about like a roaring lion. It is a marvellous and comforting thought that God has appointed assignments for angels on earth. I strongly believe each chosen elect Believer in Christ whom God knows will endure to the end has a guardian angel assigned to watch over him/her and angels assigned to watch over 2 or 3 or more who are gathered in His name.
@@iankirk9097 Okay Ian thank you for a polite and cordial conversation. For those that believe angels procreated with women, have you considered Genesis 1, where God specifically says eleven times, 'after their own kind', when addressing His natural law of procreation?
Some believe that there was a tainted bloodline of mixed angel/human blood (just ignore this if this is not your belief). Have you considered:
~ Acts 17:26; “And He has made from ‘ONE BLOOD’ (Not mixed angel/human) ‘EVERY NATION’ (including the Anakin, Rephaim, Philistines etc.) of men to dwell on 'ALL' the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,”
Blessings Brother
This is one of the few times where MacArthur is completely wrong.
Angels are spiritual beings and they cant have sex. Why doesn't John know this.
When Satan was cast out of heaven a third which someone seek and devour to this day and then. Son's of God were not humans. It refers and says they saw they were beautiful they is the son's of God demons they were demons it plainly days God made us in his image. Evil comes in many forms who's to say the demons the fallen one third. Satan is gonna use anything and anyone to reak havoc till his time!! He's desperate and we have the happy ending!! When Jesus left us after being risen he left the holy spirit which it what resides in the doers not talkers. It's ok to get upset and talk to god because he only wants the pure at heart and the only ones that do it when it's just you and the room you lay or sit. Satan can only impose and interrupt it's what comes out of that deadly poison that gives him his satisfaction. He knows how why were. We have a choice on what proceeds and anounces. He trembles !! His pack of legion cower!! At the one and true name!!
JESUS! CHRIST!! The alpha and Omega!! The beginning! And the end!! He gives! And takes!! but his grace is why we are still here. I have a message to tell you. Get your affairs in order. And be watchful because it will be like a thief in the night! And knee shall bow!! And every tongue shall confess!! "That He is"
Sons of God were actual human beings of the genealogy of Seth, they were not spirits or angels. How can an angel reproduce when we're told that in heaven we will be like angels who neither marry or are given in marriage.
He said that they reproduced by inhabiting a male’s body.
Because they were fallen angels not in heaven but here on earth 🤦♂️
@@kalegallarde6369 the laws of reproduction still bind. Bible says Angels dont have flesh and bones -Luk 24v39. How would they have reproduced with human beings to bring about ''hybrid'' beings?
@@amobyte2372 John 20:27-28 King James Version 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Your talking about jesus's resurrection if he is not of flesh and just spirit not physical how could Thomas have reached into jesus's side to feel his wound? 🤦♂️ Numbers 22:31 “Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.” King James Version (KJV) If angels are only spirit then why would God have told the donkey to talk to Balaam and stop him from an Angel blocking his path with a sword that was going to kill Balaam if he came near him? 🤦♂️
@@amobyte2372 Luke 24 is not talking about Angel's its talking about Jesus's resurrection
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God did not every call angels sons of God
This is erred. Angels are spiritual beings and asexual.
No where does the bible say they are assexual.
The fact that they are spiritual beings doesn't preclude them from being part of the conception process as is obvious in that Mary was able to conceive via the Holy Spirit.
One of the entire passage makes any sense if you think sons of God are the righteous seed of Seth. By the time. Noah came around, his family was the only righteous worth saving.
Also, Cain's seed was obviously wiped out at the flood so how could the Nephilim be around after the flood if the Nephilim were the seed of Cain mixing with Seth's?
Also why would the mixing of Cain and Seth's lineage create special men of renowned?
Also the Bible says they were Sons of God, not Angels. They were heavenly beings non the less.
No he did not take the form of a serpent but the beast was cursed to become a serpent and crawl on his belly as punishment
after deceiving eve.
Adam was a Son Of Elohim he didn’t come from a earthly origin so he’s wrong and daughters of men was Cain lineage Cain got cut out of the lineages in the. New Testament
Only man has the seed.
So does god.
The Serpents seed in Genesis
Apparently, angels, inculding Satan and fallen angels/demons, have some sort of genetic building blocks as well.
HOW certain fallen angels mixed their seed with the seed of women is not discussed here.
But one thing is certain, God sys Satan has "seed",,, which would indicate other fallen angels do too.
Genesis 3:15
King James Version
" And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
He is completely wrong about this and a lot of other things. Why fo people think je is so smart?
And bats had relations with cows and the produced flying pigs
It amazes me that this man can be so horribly wrong about this issue! unless he is a false minister or masquerading in light when he is full of darkness
Demons are disembodied fallen angels
Demons are disembodied spririts
th-cam.com/video/F1fsYT9Np_4/w-d-xo.html check the full video here
Read the text John..yikes.
Genealogy just ahead of that chapter .. Seth decendents leaving and joining Cain decendents.
God see the wickedness of men… the lxx clears this up.
All this nonsense is taken from the book of Enoch. John you’re incorrect in your interpretation
Not Demon , but fallen angels
What exactly do you think a "fallen angel" is my friend?
GOD IS SPEAKING TO THE SONS OF GOD WHO ARE THEY?IT IS AN EVIDENCE THEY ARE THE ANGELS AND THE MEN IN LUKECH.3V38 ADAM IS CALLED SON OF GOD!!!THE BIBLE DIXIT!!!
Since Adam was 130 when Seth was born, as "another seed instead of Abel" after Cain had slain Abel, Eve and then Adam after her, were probably 80 years of age before they partook of the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil. During that time they were sinless, and they probably already had five or six generations of children and grandchildren, all of whom would also have been sinless. That's who the "son's of God" were. And some of them had migrated to the "land of Nod," where Cain found his wife.
~ Romans 8:14; For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Many get this wrong, the term 'sons of God' are not a particular created class of beings, but rather those that are willing to be in a covenant relationship with God and be led by Him.
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Hey McArthur, try reading Job. The sons of God WERE NOT DEMONS. FALSE TEACHER...BE CAREFUL OF THE DOCTRINES OF DEMONS!!!!
Piecing the puzzle, angels (not the already fallen who rebelled in heaven and were cast down to the earth along with Lucifer or Satan) can be correctly interpreted to be in Scriptural context, the sons of God. Sent from the presence of God at the direction of the Holy Spirit and assigned earthly missions. They can self-materialise into bodily form clothed and without angelic wings. (Hebrews 13:2) They are also free to wilfully defy God and sin. (Why would the redeemed be judging angels? 1 Corinthians 6:3) But in order for them to take for themselves wives and produce offspring, they would as a consequence of their sin be banished on earth and eventually lose their handsome appearance and become grotesque. Their offspring (the Nephilim or Giants) were the mighty men of renown, (Genesis 6:4) part human and part (now fallen) angel. The sons of God referred to in Job 1:6 and 2:1 are not the rebellious angels but the obedient (and therefore sinless) angels reporting back to God the outcome of the assignments they had been given on earth. So the sons of God in Genesis 6:4, taken in Scriptural context, cannot be referring to the descendants of Seth (or kings or any kind of human nobility.) Adam was called the son of God (Luke 3:38) because he was the father of the human race and God was his Creator. Jesus Christ is (uniquely) the only begotten Son of God and in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 1:19; 2:9) God the Son. Amen!
If any of this is true, you must ask why did God suspend His natural law enacted in Genesis 1? All creation (animals, bugs, plants all creatures) reproduce after their own kind. Even if you surmise it must be demon possession, there is still only human DNA. If you can somehow solve this problem, then why did all mankind continuously pursue evil, except Noah? Why is God grieved in His heart only toward mankind when it was the angels fault? If the Nephilim were 450 ft tall angel/human hybrid that were on the earth in those days & AFTERWARDS, does that suggest that God allowed angels to procreate with women again after the flood?
@@larrymoore2571 (Some) of the sons of God (angels on assignment on earth) "came in unto the daughters of men" and produced offspring "Nephilim or giants" perhaps several metres tall. (450 feet tall???) Pre-flood not all of mankind was affected by this "human hybridism". Non of the royal lineage from Adam to Christ were affected. Methuselah (8th from Adam) the last of the pre-flood patriarchs (besides Noah) died 1656 AM "and then came the flood" the same year. All of the descendants of Cain perished in the Great Deluge along with all of the humanoid hybrids. AND AFTERWARDS. So post flood there were still giants (perhaps not quite as tall anymore since no-one born after the Flood lived hundreds of years anymore either.) Whether these giants (some of the descendants of the Philistines like Goliath for example) were also a product of the sons of God having "further relations" with the daughters of men is not clear. But what is clear is that the post flood race of giants were all wiped out under King David's rule. (Chronicles 20.)
@@iankirk9097 There are problems with your assessment of Genesis 6.
#1. Moses did not write the book of Job, but he wrote the Pentateuch. Moses has the freedom to express his thoughts independent of Job's author. Sons of the Lord your God (bene Yehovah Elohim) is a term that Moses used in Deuteronomy 14:1 ("You are sons of the LORD your God") to refer to God's people. This would be the exact same text absent 'the Lord your'. Every time Moses refers to angels, he uses the term Malak.
#2. God would have to suspend the natural law He imposed in Genesis 1 that all creation must reproduce after their own kind even plants. Why would God actively change natural law and allow this abomination?
#3. Did God destroy the world through flood waters because of giant hybrid offspring of angels/women or because (gen 5) "wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually". Gen 6:12: And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for 'humanity' (not fallen angels, but humanity) had corrupted its way upon the earth.
#4. What happened from Gen 4:26 "Then people began to call upon the name of the LORD" to Gen 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, “Enter the ark, you and all your household, 'FOR YOU ALONE' I have seen to be righteous before Me in this generation. God's people that had called upon the name of the Lord, saw that pagan women (daughters of men) were beautiful, and they gave in to the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh to the point of rejecting God and turning to idolatry. This scenario happened continuously throughout the Old Testament. Here are a few verses:
~ Deuteronomy 7:3-4; Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; Then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you.
~ Nehemiah 13:25; You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves.
~ Exodus 34:16; ...and you take some of his daughters for your sons and his daughters play the harlot with their gods, and his daughters would play the prostitute with their gods and cause your sons also to play the prostitute with their gods.
~ Joshua 23:12&16; ...and intermarry with them so that you associate with them and they with you & then the anger of the Lord will burn against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which He has given you.
~ 1 Kings 11:2; ...& you shall not associate with them, neither shall they associate with you for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods. Solomon held fast to these in love.
~ Ezra 9:14; ...shall we again break thy commandments and intermarry with the peoples who commit these abominations? Would You not be angry with us to the point of destruction, until there is no remnant nor any who escape?
~ 1 Kings 11:4; For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
#5. The Apocrypha books are not in the canonized Bible because at some point they distort scripture and are not a credible source. The sufficiency of the Bible is all we need. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man or woman of God may be 'FULLY' capable, equipped for 'EVERY' good work.
The 450 ft. tall giant comment comes from the book of Enoch 7:2 that says all the giants were 300 cubits tall (450 feet). As for giants like Goliath, Robert Wadlow of NYC was only 7" shorter than Goliath, his gigantism was caused by a pituitary tumor. There are reasonable explanations for Gen 6, and I think the answers are found in scripture.
I don’t know where you get your info nut its not from scripture
@@dalelinebarger8439 What exactly are you disagreeing with? Like the angels of God (sons of God) and also fallen angels, the Nephilim don't have souls, only a spirit. God speaks of His own soul (Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 26:38) and of course His Holy Spirit, and in Jesus all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily. (Colossians 2:9) Jesus revealed God as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and mankind is made in the image of God, body, soul and spirit, a triune being. The Nephilim existed before the flood, and afterwards, (Genesis 6:4) but since Jesus conquered and overcame death in His Resurrection, it then became impossible for fallen angels to impregnate the daughters of men. That's because Satan, who is still the prince of this world, has lost SOME of his power and authority over the earth as since Pentecost (Acts 2) the Holy Spirit has been restraining him, but in the Great tribulation (3.5 years before the triumphant and victorious return of King Jesus) the Holy Spirit will un-restrain Satan and he will war with the Great Tribulation (post raptured) Saints while at the same time God will unleash His wrath.
Tatal lie
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