Could Ukrainian F-16s With Harpoons Hit The Russian Naval Blockade Of Odesa? (WarGames 170) | DCS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2023
- With the news that the US have green lighted sending used F-16A MLU fighters to Ukraine, we simulate how those aircraft could use donated legacy Harpoon anti-ship missiles against Russian ships in the Odessa blockade.
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Me thinks Cap is getting a lot of content off of this Ukrainian war LOL - well done!
No S-300, Patriot battery or SAMP/T battery? Come on do better already this half assing it is getting tiresome already.
@@dexlab7539Remember a year ago when he wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole? Turns have tabled.
Unrelated, I just realised, with thrust vectoring, you can actually teabag your opponent.
Ukraine has recently said it still wants Gripens, even if they are early models. I wonder how this mission would go with Gripens or even Viggen's in place of F-16's.
Only problem I have with this sim is that the Russian navy wont come anywhere close to the Ukrainian coast - they would use the same anti ship missiles they used on the Moskva
Literrally the naval blokade is a mine filed that was deployed by the kilo submarines and 2 ships far far away from that mine field controling
No one missile hit the Moskva, there are no evidence of that, even the pictures only show the fire rests, no missile impacts.
If they've got any - the factories and warehouses associated with the Ukrainian Neptun(e) ASMs have been destroyed.
@@LondonSteveLeethey have enough neptunes that a portion of them have reportedly been modified into long distance cruise missiles and used to bomb Crimean targets recently
@@andrewbeketa4418 Let's hope you're right about the supply. They were always long distance cruise missiles (in their original Soviet form) - the difference is they have state of the art control systems with first rate AI.
Cap, this is legitimately one of the more realistic missions I've seen from you guys. Using the assets as designed, not too many airframes utilized, no one going crazy and charging into the enemy, and so on. On top of that, DCS even modeled some of the Russian incompetence we've seen from their navy, where the first ship's CIWS saw the first missile on radar and tracked that rather than the lower altitude threat headed towards it. That's honestly exactly what I'd expect a Russian ship to do in that scenario whether it's due to their naval crews being burnt out after this long on-duty in the Black Sea, under-trained seamen, old or faulty equipment (like Moskva), and so on.
Very nice job. I know I'm harsh on Russia in the comments generally, but I'm merely basing my real world expectations on the videos and news reports from the actual war.
Roger, I guess like I said at the end, sometimes everything just works out properly, sometimes a load of weird sh*t happens and it all goes wrong.
pretty sure thered be quite a few s400 batteries on crimea as well
Probably not a great idea to generalise the russian navy so heavily, some components are actually very competent, some like the retards in the black sea fleet are well RETARDED
@@class.Cyes there is.
The last A.I circling waiting for Cap was so wholesome for some reason lol. Like a child waiting for their parent to join the rest of the group😭
Like GR baby!
Love the GR formation flying (although there was an 'unexplained perpendicular oddity', possibly UFO 👽, circa 11:50).
This is normal for GR missions.
Very nice mission! It’s great to see how all of the parts work together to accomplish the task.
I remember back when we believed that there WAS an actual Russian navy and that Russian sailors would do their jobs, the equipment would work and the munitions, though not as good as ours, were still pretty good. Of course now, we know better.
When was that, 1904?
Nice plan, well flown GR :)
Always enjoy your content! Thanks for posting...🙂 +1
That felt so real! As everybody formed up for the attack and prepared to fire, the tension that built up was palpable. A good plan well executed. I would not be surprised if some Ukrainian Air Force officers and some Russian Air Force and Navy officers end up viewing this with interest.
Thanks for this video CAP!!!!!
Shout out to the AI planes for not doing something goofy and wrecking the whole plan.
To right! Sometimes in DCS, AI=Artificial Idiocy.
I know right...
Way to preemptively get on the good side of AI, before it becomes self aware and kills everyone who doesn't gladly accept our new masters, which I do. I happily and fully embrace AI dominion, really!
Very well done, lads!!
Every GR mission has a Super Cap quote worth remembering. *Crazy guy at front...don't do it* lol You guys speak in a code that only you know. We Viewington's don't have a clue what he was attempting, but Cap did!
I believe he was attempting some kind of Thing?
@@grimreapers ha! truer words have never been printed.
Thanks for the vid.
Well done GR!
great mission!
I love seeing this, even though theres likely stuff we dont/cant know, its interesting to see real world current conflicts played out in DCS.
the degree of accuracy & CGI graphics within DCS never ceases to amaze me
You guys are getting too good. We hardly hear the catchphrase anymore. "Get another one."
I miss the ol’ Get another one - Bring back some crappy pilots for viewer enjoyment 😂
Lol I thought you hated Harpoons Cap😆 They did perform beautifully today, as did the boys, and yourself!👍👍
Roger but I'd still prefer a nice LRASM launch from a safe 200 miles away :)
@@grimreapers Stealth is king👍
Great idea, the only thing I would say is the decoys would have gone on separate tracks and firing at diff angles to cause even more confusion, but the idea imo was solid
some points to note:
A typical flanker loadout in Ukraine contains at least one R37M.
There are 4 much bigger Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate with 2X VLS cells to one Steregushchy corvete. It's therefore possible that a blockade has at least one of the Grigorovich rather than a Steregushchy.
Problem is that the missiles "Shtil-1" have almost half the range and are likely less accurate than the S-350, as it is an older missile.
Flankers in Ukraine are NOT using R37M's my dude. They're still using R27's for the most part, R77's are a scarcity.
@@Doomsday499 riiight. Because Russia is a backwards country without the capability to manufacture modern-ish missiles!
@@Doomsday499plus r-37 is pointless against fighters
The best planned and executed mission I’ve ever seen from you guys. Especially the fire your missiles and get the hell out of dodge aspect. Why wait for the bad guys to fight back, just bug out and go home.
'Don't make the AI mad.'
Straight up wisdom right there
Imagine some drones thrown into the mix as well with a second flight of tomahawks coming in behind to mop up oooof sir oooof
I never had any luck with Harpoon missiles without HARMs causing havoc when playing the old game, Harpoon II. I was going to suggest using them but it seems it wasn't necessary.
Eagerly awaiting the peregrine missile, and while we're at it, Hornets have been seen carrying SM-6 without the boosters. Wonder how that would perform...any advantage over jatm?
Well, you shouldn't expect a whole lot from DCS when it comes to naval warfare. Then again, Moskva is still a fact...
By the way, if you are looking for a modern Harpoon II successor, give CMANO a try.
"What the hell did we do right?" Great mission.
That was a good one.
Nice Hop! ;)
Just in time for morning coffee!😎
Could Rapid Dragon En Masse, In Conjunction With Decoys, Take Out The Russian Blockade Fleet And/Or The Kerch Bridge?
This would be good.
I’ve been calling for a rapid dragon for a year. A couple pallets and that bridge is bye bye. And all you need is a cargo plane !
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Thanx For The Links; But By En Masse I Mean 5 To 10 C 17's......With Fighter Escorts...IF You Go On The Tactical Offensive To Take Out Important Military Tagets, Make Sure You Obliterate Your Targets; Otherwise You Waste Lives, Money, Equipment And Time./@@grimreapers
Genuinely, with these sim situations you have to try it from both ends becasue you guys are so much better than the Ai!
This mission would be good example of the Russians getting caught off guard by such bold and well plan attack by the Ukrainians. So the way it went and its outcome are not unrealistic.
Very nice work Cap. Cant think of a better time for ED to fill out the Caucus map with southern Ukraine.. if they are not already doing so.
Yup
Why do they have to get to within 50 miles to detect the ships? Modernish fighter aircraft RADARs can easily "see" something as big as a ship at well over 100 miles. Even the original Sea Harrier with it's flawed Blue Fox RADAR can "see" a ship at 50 miles.
because Russia is limited to the ships already in the Black Sea (unable to reinforce due to the treaty of Bosphorus being enforced by Turkey) Those 2 Grishas are not getting replaced any time soon.....Mission accomplished
They've reinforced their Black Sea fleet. More ships there than what they started with. Know how? Nizhny Novgorod is a major builder of warships. They float them down the Volga, then cross to the Don via a connecting canal, then down the Don river to the Azov Sea. From there to the Black Sea.
Starting from the road, that seems to be more a job for the Gripen...
Very odd not seeing any thing go horribly wrong or the humans not doing any thing dumb... besides right at the end... and Cap not screaming at some one. Not sure how to feel but still very enjoyable
Those harpoons are so cool!
I'm new here, but it would be really nice if you guys made these missions available for download.
Just type "ss" between the fullstop before youtube, in the address link.
Would love to see this.
Do a Thing !
Hi Cap the US has just tested the latest version of the AIM 120 with a supposed range of 180K
Yup we've got them in game, AIM-120D3. Ours go nearly 200KM.
Thank you guys!
Cap could you do the same including a russian sam site defending the ships for exactly this kind of attack?
Agreed.
Good battle and Science for the Ukrainian's to use!!!
A perfect mission. 👍✴👾✴
The only completely unrealistic thing I found was the Stere actually being awake enough to fire it's SAMs
And the RADAR is still working!
Could you run a similar mission to this but in the hypothetical scenario where Ukraine has radar absorbing materials to their F-16s like the USAF applied to theirs?
Doing that next week.
how can you put those missiles or any other missiles that cant be in regular dcs? btw great video as always
Yeh we've done some messing around to get the missiles to fit.
@@grimreapersyes I have a question, is it a reskin or did yall somehow implement a new weapon to the f16? I really am dying to know.
Dare I say, in a few months from now when Ukrainian pilots are well suited with their new 16's that they pull some action this way, using ASM's and other platforms to support these attack packages and gain more success on the russian vessels. More artificial reefs please!
Loved watching the F-16s at Mildenhall today
Ah, that's what was making all that noise was it??
The Ukrainians would used multiple weapons to attack the blocked. Besides using the F-16s with Harpoons, they would have used their R-360 Neptune anti-ship missiles and their famous "Sea baby" aka Sea-Doo based water drones.
feel like we are gonna be coming back here in a couple months being like 'oooooo he predicted it'
Probably russian Personell would shoot at the decoy too, because they are probably not well trained.
However, i wonder what a rollüle equipment malfunctions would play herr
Any chance for a round of Carrier Command? So fun!
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This is a good show of the capabilities Ukraine will receive with F-16's.
Bear in mind this might even be an undersell, as F-16's can carry British Storm Shadows, and American JASSM-ER's. Which are very capable air-to-surface missiles, and much more likely to hit their targets than Harpoons.
Its very probable that the U.S. sends JASSM's to Ukraine with the F-16's. We've got tons of em, and can afford to spare a few. Plus, we really wanna see how it performs in "modern" combat 😂
In Pearl Harbor /Arleigh Burke, they had Harpoon that never fired. They would of course so assumed that you just couldn't use them? Is that problem here with the black sea?
f16's taking off from a road just seems weird to me.
git er done.
Nice how the soldiers stand at attention along the road for takeoff, dutifully going deaf for the cause. Maybe they're artillerymen and they're already deaf. I'm curious if there would be a way to design a kind of "universal booster" to turn air-launched missiles into ground-launched missiles. The US could give Ukraine a boatload--see what I did there--of Harpoons, but without the F-16s, they're just boat anchors.
We only hire hard-of-hearing guys for GR ground crew.
Surprised the ship defense was so slack.
It's the Russian navy. Be more surprised the ships are afloat.
Can't help but think how purty it'd be flying in ... if y'all had festive colored smoketrails.
Stoke me a Kipper!
Ace!
Can you guys do a video showing the a10C vs a zombie apocalypse?
Man this sounds like one of my dreams.
Wouldn't you first run in with TALDs, then follow up with HARMs and HARPOONs?
We’re the Harpoon F16s circling to wait for their missiles to hit? It seemed that when their missiles hit, that’s when a plane stopped circling.
Hi Cap please repeat the sim but with MIG 29 and humans on the side of Ukraine. And AI on the side of Russia. This is because pilots from Russia have been accused/reported as being under trained with aging/poorly serviced planes.
should have used krivak and grigorovich
Why wouldn't you hug the ocean until you got to launch range?
I can’t express how bad I wanna see the Black Sea fleet with it’s only frigates being their 2 krivak class frigates and buyan m corvettes being the only kalibr launching surface combatants.
Like I want to see both grigorovich class frigates and that brand new corvette they have blown in half no less than 50 kilometers out to sea
Yeah, funny isn't it. For all the hype about how poor the Russian Navy is and how excellent Ukraine are and so on, in 18 months of fighting the tally is one Russian ship sunk, and 3-4 damaged. I don't think people even realise that Russia has sunk/destroyed far more Ukrainian ships/boats than Ukraine has managed the other way. I mean, Russian sailors are all drunk and their ships run on coal!
Still should try this with an actual apkws. Aim9 is made for what you just did. I bet its alot more challenging with a laser guided rocket.
Would all the weapons not be sent as a lend lease like the UK in WW2? The debt will be repayed in 60 years and Europe gets to flog its old equipment and buy shiny new f35s etc.
Can we make this more realistic where some of the Russian ship’s spontaneously promote themselves to submarines and missiles just yeet themselves into the water for a quick swim?
this can't be GR no one crashed on takeoff........I suspect trickery!!!! LOL
If you gave the anti-shippers amraams you wouldn't need escorts
When will the F4 phantom be released?
Not sure TBH.
Hey Crew; I may be late in my comment, however I LOVE Caps content, but I don't see a lot of Human influence on the opposing side. Am I missing something?
With RAF Eurofighters and F35 intended to fly CAP for grain ships entering/leaving Ukranian ports this would be attract Russian Naval activity. Also why doesn't France supply Exocet missiles to Ukraine which can be mounted upon existing SU25........
Thanks for doing a Ukraine video! I hope they get the f16’s quickly 😊😊😊
January was the last date I heard. Let's hope the F-16s can do the job for them.
Жду обломки ф16 на выставке Армия России 😊 спасибо вам за леопарды
F16 launched AMRAAMS are going to f%^k the invaders😎
@@user-js7io7un4kand thank you for the t-90m
@@user-js7io7un4kНу если сравнить количество потерянных Леопардов и т-90, то счёт явно не в пользу рашкабада ;) И где там, кстати, хвалёные "армата" с "ракушкой"? Всё так-же на парадах глохнут?)
Why don't modern fighters have rear firing missiles ?
You know that is a damn good question. So I googled that question and it appears that for a variety of technical reasons it is just not practical.
I still think with modern avionics it would be a nasty surprise in a dogfight 😜@@wolfgangamadeus1246
I guess if you need a rear-firing missile then it means you've done your job wrong somewhere?
ASRAAM and IRIS-T provide 360 degree protection with lock-after-launch if the host aircraft has the required software to implement it.
ok, now imagine ukraine getting the gripens + rbs15 mk3 (air launched version)
actually cap you can try this? is the gripen modeled already? idk
Anyone seen Violet recently?
She's on a break. Probably a few months.
Having something removed?
👍
Is it just me or were the decoys flying inverted
Maverick and Goose stylie
Would they not have gone in at low altitude maybe.
What this is truly overlooking, is that the Russian fleet isn't nearly as powerful as what is described here. We can look at the most recent sinkings in port and the Moskau having been sunk with unguided and truck launched, missiles.
It's always odd to think that these airframes were designed in the 70's, yet still effective front-line combatants in the 2020's.
We give em Maverick to go with those f16s and the wars over..He'd take Moscow by lunchtime.
i know you have done Pearl to death .. however .. have you done a Pearl Harbor, with a modern carrier strike group IN Peal Harbor with the same advance warning that they had at the time of Pearl Harbor attack?
Will put it on the list but a bit sick to death of PH at the moment TBH.
@@grimreapers I totally get that ... i LOVE all these thought experiments
Pearl Harbour has kind of been done to death. Maybe you could poke an eye out of each Japanese pilot and see how they get on. Don't think they've done that one yet!!!
Snap, crackle, pop!!! Sank Grisha!!!'
kinda makes you wonder if ukraine use this to simulate battle plans to see how effective they are lol
If a nato/American fleet sailed up into the black sea in order to intimidate the Russians into breaking the “naval blockade” but the russian attacked them, what would happen?
How would the NATO fleet get into the Black Sea? They have been banned from entry (by Turkey) as soon as the hostilities began.
@@LondonSteveLeeignore turkey LoL
@@tannerjones6564And then Turkey would just start sinking nato ships.
And since the Americans aren't dumb, we would realize that our country broke a rule that Turkey clearly stated that they didn't want done. And then it would be Russia and Turkey versus the rest of nato because America aint gonna fight for nato if they're bullying other countries. Or hopefully they wouldn't.
I would love to see 6th gen sprinkled in randomly in these missions. How great would it be to see a surprise Felon attack the GR flight out of the blue?
That *_WOULD_* be a shock. If for no other reason than seeing a Felon flying!
No.
Poon that sucker!
Do any of the decoy platforms have jamming capabilities? I'm looking at that mission and thinking the ships could easily figure out who the real threats are just by assuming they are the ones in back. OTOH if you could put an opaque wall of expendable jammers between the attack birds and the target you might be able to force the defenders into a "I know it's a decoy, buy I still need to shoot it down so I can see the threat" dilemma.
I don't think so in game.
Decoy drones have had jammers since the 80s. In game? IDK.
No
Why are you at 36000 feet , why not A Low alt attack
Higher and faster means their missiles have a much longer range and they don't need to get in as close to deliver their ordinance.
I like these possible Ukrainian scenarios being run. Attacking Russia's Navy is very important to Ukraines efforts to take Crimea.
Silly, silly. All they had to do to protect the ship was put tires about the ship (or for my UK friends "tyres" (how dare the English think they, like, own the language or sommit") . Been tried already, and not one of the tire/tyre aircraft have exploded yet. Takeoffs, on the other hand, have been described as a little trickier ...
The Crown 👑 owns the language.
"Could Ukrainian F-16s hit targets which are within fire control of land based batteries"
You could have at least made an attempt to make this feasible, the Russians are never getting that close and if they -did- get that close the Ukrainians would just use the Neptunes they've stockpiled for exactly this purpose.
You could get even more realistic. There aren't any Russian ships there for that very reason. I'm not sure how many Neptunes Ukraine has left even, if any. The factory producing them got taken out over a year ago. And all Russia has to do to blockade the ports is to bomb them with missiles or drones, which they are doing right now (doesn't anyone connected with this channel keep up with the latest missile strikes?). No need to put any ships at risk. In fact, Grim reapers have just done a scenario that is none existent. Air defences around the ports would be more realistic. But of course, that would be a rather dull affair.
@@limedickandrew6016 buddy they literally used a Neptune in ground attack mode during their naval raid on Crimea??? You are correct somewhat, the factory was -damaged- over a year ago and considering how much time and money Ukraine has been investing into its drone and domestic missile projects i have a sneaking suspicious they, you know, did what they've done with every other defense industry that got hit and either repaired it or moved it westward? Zelensky had announced already that Neptunes are in mass production due to the fact they can be modified as cruise missiles.
As for "all they have to do to blockade the ports" they still have active shipping going in and out of the ports dawg.
@@liamspence1291 Yes, there are some ships going in and our, but it is fewer and fewer with every week that passes. Almost every day now a Ukrainian port or port infrastructure is attacked and destroyed or damaged. Eventually there will be no port facilities left if this carries on. In the American Civil War, blockade runners got through to the Confederate ports. But it got harder and harder as the war progressed and of course eventually the last port got captured and that was that. But even then some small boats still managed to get through and unload supplies along various points of the Atlantic coast still in Confederate hands - though of course it was nowhere remotely near what was needed, and very risky. No matter how much control of the seas or air you have, something will always get through. Even if it's only a trickle.
@@limedickandrew6016 i mean, not really??? They just keep repairing their port facilities and will progressively boost their AD in the areas as they continue to receive more, sort of how now we rarely see anything get through the Net which has been cast around Kyiv and requires saturation attacks?
And of course less ships are going to a country at war lmao Its why Ukraine diversified its exports by using Romanian and Croatian ports to avoid a lot of this issue entirely.
@@liamspence1291 No matter which way you slice it or dice it, do stop pretending like it is 'no bother' for Ukraine. But as I said, something will always get through. Experienced smugglers will vouch for that. And what does get through, does so at a very expensive cost. Ukraine ain't gonna lose the war cos of this. But it will add another nail to their coffin.