🎸SOLVED! How to fix your guitar's neck dive!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2023
- In this video I tackle the age old problem of a guitars neck diving towards the ground, due to a weight imbalance and strap button placement. Thanks for watching!
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Another thoughts about it, Rob! You replace the Viper's strap button to the top of the horn, Matt's two beautiful custom ESP Vipers already has strap buttons on the top of the horn, so as his personal LTD sigs have, many of my mates, who played Vipers - all of them replaced the strap buttons to the top of the horn! Why ESP didn't make it a permanent part of the Viper's standard complectation? The top of Viper's upper horn is thick enough to hold the strap mount stably. In any case, they are thicker than on the Gibson SG's. And one good friend of mine, who played in a hardcore punk band for a long time, played there on the SG Standard, on which he also replaced the strap button to the top of the horn. There were no problems with it, the horn withstood everything perfectly - and this guy was very active on stage!
if it needs a just a little bit more, you can use tape weights (used to balance tires) in the control cavity.
I don't know man! That's a good question! Perhaps Matt didn't think to request that option during the design phase.@@dexxpredwarior9033
Probably! I forgot to mention Tony Iommi - His custom SG's also has strap mounts on the top of the horns, and his signature models also has it. I don't think that ESP's policy in this regard differs from the policy of Gibson. I rather meant why the ESP did not initially start doing this at all, given the technical characteristics of the Viper.@@RobArnoldWorld
Ive never understood why manufacturers keep putting strap buttons in that back position, Its a huge cause for neck dive, plus it just makes wearing the strap uncomfortable. Theres been so many times where I've thought a guitar was just about perfect for me until I saw the strap button placement and then I avoided that guitar like the plague. You'd think manufacturers would figure this out by now but I guess not.
As a BC Rich owner lol I can tell you that some people cared about looks before they knew better... They clearly built the Warlock to "look good", not to function hahaha
With more people buying guitars online (like I did), you may not be aware of this issue until it arrives. Seems like shitty design more than anything.
Your tech tip/how to videos are the best! Love your detailed explanations in all your videos. Thanks for another lesson Professor Arnold!!
Thanks Rick! And I appreciate you always tuning in! 👊
You’re a legend Rob, this process looks pretty simple but it’s awesome that you show us anyway. Promotes confidence in doing it yourself when you have well put advice. Cheers dude!
Well said man and thanks for noticing! I appreciate you tuning in!
I used to use finger nail polish as a touch up on guitars. There's usually a bazillion colors to choose from and there's a good chance you can find a color that is close to matching. Plus it has a built in brush so its easy to use.
Great tip!
Your intuition was correct, I appreciate that you trusted your intuition shows how intelligent people are if they are open to trusting their own Ingenuity. I have physics background so I already knew it would work.
Super helpful, love these modification tutorials!!
Awesome bro!🤘
I have an old version Ibanez Xpt700 (also known as xiphos), it had a severe neck dive issue so i changed both of the strap buttons location and it worked perfectly. Ibanez also changed it in the newer models. Some people tries adding counterweight in the electronics cavity, or get a strap with better grip. I've tried them all but changing the strap button location works the best.
So basically it’s the Tony Iommi mod. Let’s give Tony some credit, love the original riffmaster!
That dude invented so much shit we just take for granted these days. He was a real innovator!
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe he didn’t come up,with the idea he just popularized it.
As a Superstrat guy, I never had this problem! And yes, when Gibson SG's/ESP Vipers have a front strap button on the top of the upper horn - it keeps the balance pretty good! I confirm it!
This is awesome Rob, I love your channel..
Cheers Dido!👊
I love these types of videos!
Glad to hear it Jake! 🛠️
Followed every step on this vid. This helped me fix the neck dive on my old Mk1 Ironbird where the top strap pin was on that same part of the horn as Rob's SG here. However, I moved the pin to the inside of the curve of the horn (at the center of the inside of the horn's curve radius, like how some Jackson Warriors have their strap pins there or slightly off-center of the inside of the horn's curve), NO MORE NECK DIVE 🤟
Just got an MK1 and was looking for this info, thank you!
Lol when you put the blue tape on and was explaining and not holding it 😮😮😮😮😂 looks good Rob
Gonna use this video to do this to my vipers, thank you bro!!
Awesome man!
Thanks for hooking me up with all that extra stuff with the DVD bro!
Right on! Cheers bro!
Did the same thing on my viper a few weeks ago. Works great!
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Awesome work Rob! You do such a great job on these tutorial videos. I think back to your guitar setup videos and how I previously didn’t have the skills to do it myself. Now I do it myself and love working on my guitars! Rob Arnold PhD in Guitarology 🤘
I appreciate that bro! Happy to help!🤘
Cool video Rob!
Thanks dude!
I have a Shecter Jeff Loomis V and it had terrible neck dive. I moved both of the strap pins where they are on a Gibson V and then it balanced great!
As primarily a baritone player this is the bane of my existence. I use wheel weights sometimes to correct it. Solars have the button on the back like this viper
Good job man !! 🤘😎
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I love my dimarzio clip locks! It's all I use and I've never had a fall or failure.
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Cheers Rob.
Whens chimaira coming to toronto???
Hey cheers to you as well man, and welcome aboard!👊
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Haha the beginning had me laughing hard. Just the way you went about it and your face expression.
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My main guitar has always been an Ibanez ASX which is a SG style double cutaway. It has neck dive but also has the peg on the horn already. I use straploks but I even pulled the entire thing out screw and all! It has been repaired and played many shows and today I decided to look into fixing neck dive. Safe to say I am going to buy some fishing weights! LOL! Wish me luck.
Good luck!
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Thanks dude! Happy to have you as one!
I had the same issue with my LTD Viper 100. However, that one had a bolt-on neck, so then one of the neck bolts was replaced by a slightly longer bolt and then the strap button was simply moved there.
It was not 100% perfect but much better than before + you didn't have to drill into the body which is a risky move as it could damage the body for good.
The moment you drilled into the horn I almost had to hold my breath! 😆 My LTD Phoenix has atrocious neck dive, but since there isn’t an upper horn I think I’ll look into a strap with a grippy backing. Don’t think I’m brave enough to drill into it!
I recently tried this tip on my own viper and it made a night and day difference. Thanks rob, hail chimaira \m/
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Beautiful, hope I can fix neck dive in my Eclipse 1000, but I think it have worse solution than that😩. Brilliant video as always, Rob.
Thanks man and good luck!
Great video. Thanks for posting this. BC Rich Mockingbird, lookout...here I come!
Just did this to the old xiphos I just bought. Had to go a step further and add 6 ounces of lead fishing weights to the control cavity. Hot glued them together then wrapped them in electrical tape and finally put a piece of foam around them so they don’t rattle. Works great, did the same thing to an old 8 strong agile I had.
I'm surprised to hear only 6 ounces made a difference!
Great job!
It's been years since I sold it but I still have neckdive PTSD from my SG 😅
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Guitar looking nice
got to love the little Gothic SG of Devilry beauty
especially when is all BLACK with all stealthy DoomMetal intents
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Sick guitar Rob.
Thanks bro!
You're lucky, my experience with moving a strap button on my Viper was not so smooth, and I've gotten a tiny crack of a finish =( but in the end of the day it's not affect anything, Viper is so damn durable, that has survived during a bunch of gigs after that and still alive =)
Ive never worried about this ever tbh lol, i position it to where i hold the neck up already on every guitar anyway.
Some ibanez guitars upper horn are thin like the rgra 6,I drilled a hole that'll make the dimarzio screw go further in,no gaps to let the screw bend or creep out leading to disaster lol,it sits flush w no worries
I watch your videos and feel like you'd be the most patient dad with your kids. I'm sure young RA from the road may feel different.
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now i wish there was a nice hack for playing les paul shapes in the seated position haha. currently i sit with strap but still not as comfortable as most others like super strat shapes (i play in the classical position with guitar on left leg)
picturing you dropping that slide whistle into your DAW more than once is making me laugh, ROB is the tech man!
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1. Put tape on edge.
2. Measure width with ruler and mark center for hole.
3. Put tape on top.
4. Rule line for drill angle.
5. Measure depth of screw.
6. Mark depth on drill bit.
7. Slowly drill hole. Do not move drill in and out as this can widen and deform the hole.
8. Hand drill the larger hole to avoid drilling beyond the original hole. Do not move drill in and out.
9. Remove tape.
Tony of Black Sabbath has been doing this to his SGs since 1969. If it's good enough for the Riff Lord, it's good enough for me.
For those of a nervous disposition and don't want to damage / mark their shiny guitar, add some weights to the strap at the back end of the guitar.
Awesome video, thanks Rob! I have a Dean Exile guitar that needs this remedy asap. Btw have you ever had issues with any of your Evertune saddles vibrating against something inside the guitar causing a single string to go flat on open notes or fretted notes?
Hmm with the Evertune issue, that sounds like something I'd need to see/hear myself before I could offer any advice unfortunately. You're sure it's actually the saddle that's doing the vibrating?
I was trying to fix neck dive on my explorer a few months back. I just ended up going with a Suede strap to stop the slide from happening.
that will just slow the drop, still a prob when moving
funny I came across this... did the same to my LTD SG, Cant STAND guitars with the strap button on the back side.
Thought about doing this but was to scared to do it . Put weights on the back strap , even's it out just fine.
Rob, you do one on one mixing tips?
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My Viper 301 came like this from the factory. On the top tip of the horn. 20 years later and still no neck dive.
I've seen other vipers with the strap button on the back of the body on the neck pocket, which is even worse!
Not only neck dive, my other problem is my guy makes the front of the guitar face angle down away from me
Now show me how to fix it on my Schecter DP12!!! 🙏😆
Bro, every time you moved your hand out from under the neck when the tape was on i was like 😬 lol
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One more thing left! to fill the hole, and paint :D:D. I wish these guitar companies also did nitro finish :P. I love nitro finish... Would want to see on a lot of guitars... If there was a easy way to do it, and was cheaper...
Rob I just found a MFA-600 it's otw to me now I'm so excited hopefully I'll find a RA-600 next year
That's so awesome Chris!
I wish you luck on completing your collection!
I just bought a Flying V style bass with a neck dive issue. Since the strap button is at the bottom of the neck, there is no way to move it up. What I did was use a shoestring (which came with the strap) and tied it to the top of the neck like an acoustic guitar. Neck dive problem fixed.
Nice! Where there's a will, there's a way! 🎸
I switched to a strap with a cotton backing on my SG. The cotton backing grips your shirt and stops neck dive.
Yeah, but then it pulls and twists your shirt down.
@@MajorDook1 haven't had that issue.
@@MajorDook1yup, hate this. Those leather straps with the grippy back are the worst, cotton t shirts don't stand a chance against them, collars getting tugged every which way. Nah, I like a strap that allows the guitar to move on my shoulder without taking my shirt with it.
Try to fix the neck dive on a Warwick Thumb Bass! 😄
you can also put your strap behind your belt.
Man I love my SG's neck dive, the fact that I need to hold it up to play right feels like I'm carrying a weapon but it's a matter of taste I think 😅
Interesting! And yep, to each their own!
I had an old viper 301 with the strap button on the upper horn. Wonder why they went a different route down the road?
Good question!
Any of Gibson's more "radical" designs (SG, V, Explorer) could basically benefit from going headless. I think ESP doing 24-fret versions, makes the point of balance even worse on the guitars.
This is what Iommi does. Me as well
My Schecter E-1 does not dive forward, as a neck dive, but leans out from the body because the upper button is on the back side.
Has anyoned experienced this, and fixed it?
Not related question: do you know the difference in neck shape between LTD and Gibson?
I don't! I'm not really too familiar with Gibson at all.
What would you suggest doing for a Fender pbass with neckdive? mine has the strap button on the horn so at this point I don't know what to do!!
But where on the horn? On the back, or on the tip where like I moved mine to?
@@RobArnoldWorld yessir, in the same spot as yours (where you moved it)
What if your strap lock is on the horn and you still get neck dive? I have a 7 string Schecter PT Hellraiser Hybrid and i think the neck has a lot of chunk to it
I've heard they make special straps that have some sort of counter-weights in them or something, but that sounds like a gimmick to me. But, you could look into it!
@@RobArnoldWorld whattt, how interesting. I'll do my research and check around but maybe just need a strap that can hold and anchor a position. Appreciate you my man!
Hey Man ! I want to see your reaction on "I" from Meshuggah, and "Sol Niger Within" Fredick's Thordendal album! You are in my top 3 of BEST guitar players in universe! I need your opinion!! \m/
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I keep my guitar fairly low, nothing crazy, but with a classical type angle, the neck dive is gone
What bench is that? I checked the gear link but didn't see it.
Here it is! ultracasellc.com/product/ultracase-tech-box/
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That's what I need but too chicken to try it.
That strap button placement is the Tommy Iommy mod. I think those Dimarzio straplocks look ugly. Grolsch beer bottle cap rubbers work just as well, are way cheaper and you get the bear for free. Fender copies them and you pay four dollars for four of them without the beer.
All you have to do is use your belt to pin your strap to your hip. Put your guiatar on then bring your belt over the strap then secure your buckle. The guitar won't move.
I tried this same mod on my guitar but when I drilled the pilot hole the body of the guitar popped !
Oh no!😫
Does Matt mind the neck dive ? Because if he does, why didn't he design the guitar to come stock with the strap button placed the way you placed it ? This leads to my next question : how was it designing the RA600 ? I mean beyond the fact that you might have been stocked to become a signature artist, did ESP said no to some features you asked for or was it your dream guitar in every way ? Were any compromises made ? Cheers !
No compromises were made, and ESP allowed us to design the guitars exactly as we wanted. Matt probably didn't think about the strap button placement at the time. And with my RA-600, there's probably a thing or two I overlooked during the design process as well. But hey, you live and learn! It's like building your first home, or building your first studio...
The second one you build will almost always be better, because of the knowledge and experience you gain from the first build!
@@RobArnoldWorld Sure, I own a custom guitar which suffers the same issue, I overlooked some stuff that mattered more than I thougt+ I actually didn't know enough about guitars at the time to come with my perfect design. This lead into a bridge pickip to close to the bridge which make the guitar too bright for my liking and I end up not playing it at all. Probably the worst 3k I spent in my life. ESP seems like a great company to team up with, a fixed bridge RA-600 would pretty much be what I'd design if I had the same opportunity as you.
Thanks for answering !
I say go for it man! @@pideuhweuh8459
I solve the problem with a leather strap on my viper 400
Why not attach the strap at the headstock?
Good question! I guess I'd say that's something you just don't often see with electric guitars. And especially not in rock/metal guitar.
I always found it strange that some guitars are made with the strap button being on the back. Just always seems very unbalanced
looks better in showroom=sell better. obviously gibson and others know where to place the strap button but the appeal of the horn looking cleaner makes more sense to them to move more guitars
Tony Iommi has been doing it for years.
or just play the guitar like normal... i have an sg that doesn't rly have neck dive, but when you're playing and holding the neck, there isn't neck dive because your arm is already supporting the neck of the guitar...
Is it strap up, or strap on?
Haha not sure!
Ah yes, the thing that happens to non bass players. The one benefit of playing and big heavy bass or huge 6 strings like explorer's
You don't have a tech.Rob ?
I've had many!
@@RobArnoldWorld I'm totally available if you need one. Fresh passport ready to go.
why complicate stuff? leather or cotton strap. figured that out by myself when i was 11. lol. but if you want to drill your guitar go ahead.
Not gonna lie. I cringed when the drill came out lol
No harm done!🤘😎
How to fix neck dive ???!!! : grab and hold your guitar, and play it ...!!!!*******!!!!!!
Much easier fix, leather strap and it will not move. No life till leather🤘
Doesn’t always work, unfortunately
Just go headless
Not a chance!
@@RobArnoldWorld well you just hate it or love it) i spend 10 years playing my Viper 400 exclusively and with new headless it feels like breath of fresh air.
I also have the same fix for neckdiving years ago but i was afraid of doing it by myself and asked my local luthier. Natural leather strap also helped me out with that problem, theyre kinda grippy.
@@pashaoppets For sure man, I hear ya! Those headless guitars just aren't my cup of tea, but I obviously see that A LOT of dudes dig em' and as I always say, to each their own!
Hah. I wanted to write to you about this in the last video about this guitar, that you have to do the correct strap fastening. But I thought that you yourself know about it and it would be rudeness. That's how it turned out :) That viper problem is solve easy.
I already wanted starting to fight! Where is the cliplock belt? But I watched it to the end)
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Tap the horn.🤘
I feel bad for guys who do this when all you need is a thick, good quality strap. I have 5 BC Rich guitars all dive hard. Fat leather guitar strap. Done .all 5, no dive, no jive
I just put eyebolts on all my guitars and use a carabiner
Are you stealing ideas from Does it Doom Rob??
I don't know what that means.🤷🏻♂️