ANGEL'S "RESTLESS"! *Angel* 4x22 'Home' Reaction!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
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Hi, my name is Elie Moses and I am a 22 Year-Old Law and Film student here in Sydney, Australia. I have decided to watch the entire 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' TV SERIES for the FIRST TIME. With That Comes my first time reacting to the ANGEL (tv series) spin off as well! Here is my reaction to episode 22 of Angel season 4. TE FINALE OF SEASON 4 ENDS WITH A BANG AS ANGEL RECEIVES THE ULTIMATE OFFER!
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I actually really felt sorry for Connor this episode. He is a true tragic character and his end is basically a tragedy. Love the episode.
Connor's monologue before the fight makes me tear up. Beautiful acting by Vincent Kartheiser and, for once, great writing for Connor! This should have been his character the entire season!
Right!? It still makes me bitter that they waisted all that time with the shock factor yuck of the Connor/Cordelia stuff, when there was an amazing character and redemption arc just right there begging to be explored. I would even have still gladly taken a proper arc for Connor going into s5, because his stuff in the last couple episodes was so good, but it's so easy to see how good s4 could have been with just a few changes. Just ditch the Connor/Cordy grossness, bring in the apocalypse/Jasmine arc in a different way and earlier in the season, and then have the fallout from that be Connor and Angel finding a way to dig through all the pain and trauma he's grappling with together.
The season being what it was, I think this was a strong enough way to get things resolved for a different direction in s5, and the fact that Angel would make that kind of sacrifice so Connor could get a chance at a better life is absolutely in character and hits hard... but I just can't help but feel cheated thinking about how satisfying it would have been to get to see them actually working through this stuff properly.
Cool fact: The toast that Connor offers to his new family at the end - "To family" - is the same as that offered by Wesley in Angel's hallucination at the beginning of the season, in "Deep Down."
Joss Whedon's message behind both the Jasmine story arc, as well as Buffy's season 7 story arc with the First Evil, is actually quite philosophically powerful. There are only three ways to solve the problem of human evil. First, you can end the world, drive humanity into extinction, and bring the demons back from hell and let them overrun this planet, which is what the First Evil wants to do. This is a childish solution. Second, banish all evil from the human heart and create a perfect heaven on Earth, but the price is the total elimination of human free will and human dignity. This is what Jasmine tried to do. This is also a childish solution. Then there is the third way - save human individuals, one soul at a time. This keeps evil in check and preserves human free will. This is what both Buffy and Angel have been doing all along. This is the only mature solution (individual rebellion against evil, not collective revolution), and the only one that will work.
The problem, of course, is that this method isn't satisfying. Because, even though this will work, there is no end to it. There is no Disney happy ending, no great finale, and no conclusion. The good fight continues from generation to generation. Individual battles are won or lost, but when it comes to the collective war, nobody wins and nobody loses. The key is balance, and the fight is never-ending. Once the forces of evil realize you know that, there is only one plan of attack left that they have against you - corporatize you, and therefore, numb you to humanity and to the real struggle. Or as Angel told Lindsey in season one, episode 21 - "You sold your soul for a fifth floor office and a company car." Once the forces of evil fail to corporatize you, you become unstoppable. Hence, Angel Season five!
Did anyone else lose sound couple times during the commentary, once at 20.15 I lost sound and couldn't hear Elie, happened earlier too 😳
another great Connor speech. It's also the first time that he acknowledges that Holtz ruined his life ("you let him get me").
Angel taking the deal so he could give Connor a normal life is one of the most emotional Angel moments ever.
Yeah, its sad for Angel because he lost a son now
14:48 Yes, That the vampire that told Buffy about Spike. Or the actor that played that vampire it's not him just the same actor.
Yes, and he was also in an episode of Firefly.
14:11 There are some actors who play more than one character on the show/universos. In this case, there’s so relation. He was just hired twice.
I like to theorize that they're cousins or something.
The Whedons do this a lot - familiar faces reappear from project to project. It's a fun game of "spot the Whedon favorites"
Poor Connor. He felt abandoned by every adult in his life. He was a baby and a few days later was a teenager who grew up in a hell dimension w a man who claimed he loved him but then abuses him and manipulates him then hes groomed by “Cordelia”. The one person who actually loved him unconditionally couldn’t get close to him because he was too scared that he would disappoint him and hurt him too. He is not a perfect character. Sometimes its like dammit Connor wtf you doing now?!?! But poor kid never had a chance. The older I get, the less annoyed by him I get and the more I can’t help but feel empathy for him.
It is interesting too because what he does in this episode, happens in real life and it show’s what can drive people too it. Its not right, or ok but at least on a supernatural fictional show you can see those things that makes him such a tragic character without hating him for actually putting real life people in danger.
Great reaction!
The actor that plays Knox in this episode and Holden in Conversations with Dead People is what Whedon calls one of his Hat Tricks, someone who appeared in Buffy, Angel, and Firefly, all as different characters. There are a couple others too, like the actor who plays both the leader of the hell dimension in the Buffy episode Anne and Doyle’s ex-wife’s new fiancé in the S1 Angel episode. I bet you’ll notice more when you get to Firefly
and Andy Umberger played Ronald, the surgeon in season one who could detach body parts psychically, is also D'Hoffryn on Buffy, Anyanka's demon boss. There is one double I can remember too, Jack Conley. Played the werewolf hunter in season 2 of Buffy and Sahjhan in Angel .
"The father will kill the son." Even though it was a fake prophecy, this could be one interpretation of it. Angel gave Connor a new life, ending his old one.
Angel taking over Wolfram & Hart is like Captain America taking over Hydra, Or Supergirl/Superman taking over Lexcorp.
Wait, didn’t Capt America take over Hydra recently?
@@RLucas3000 not that I know o, I was just comparing them.
Don't forget Daredevil take over The Hand, Luke Cage take over Harlem Paradise too.
33:17 That's why Angel took the deal, So Connor could have a normal happy life.
"Home" is actually the first episode of season 5.
Gonna post this on your next few Buffyverse reactions because I know you record way in advance sometimes: cover the guest star credits for all upcoming episodes and especially DO NOT WATCH the main title credits for Angel season 5 episode 1!
It's funny because W&H have been the Big Bad since the first episode and now everything gets flipped on it's head and Angel's team gets to take over on the inside. BTW Be sure to not look at the opening credits of 5x01 to avoid spoilers!
I never actually viewed this as a AtS version of _Restless,_ but I can see the parallels.
Wesley's aka Sahjhan's fake prophecy comes true as Angel slices Connor's throat in order to give him the new life.
I love the silence throughout the entire opening credits.
27:30 Even under Jasmine's spell Connor wasn't ever happy, He was always faking it on some level after years in Quor'toth. He was just broken after everything.
He always saw Jasmine in her true form, but he definitely was still under her spell. His personality completely changes after his blood mixes with Cordelia. He went from a happy shiny person, constantly smiling, joking around, singing Barry Manilow, and bowing to Jasmine, to questioning everything she does. Talking back to her and then blatantly disobeying her. All of that started as soon as Cordelia's blood mixed with his.
Connor got something like what the Monks did for Dawn. Also, I wouldn't say Angel 5 is better than everything Buffy has done, I definitely rate seasons 2 and 3 of Buffy above it, but out of the 12 seasons of the Buffyverse, it's near the top.
Remember, don't watch the open credits of Angel season 5 episode 1.
When you get to Season 5, make sure you DON'T watch the opening title credits of 5x01.
Buffyverse enthusiasts hype up Angel season 5 wayyyyy too much. "Better than anything Buffy has produced." No. It's not even the best season of Angel...
Great reaction ! This episode is good indeed !
Am I the only one who got sound problems ? At times, I couldn't ear Elie. When he talked while on pause a few times it was blank, like no sound at all. Very weird.
“Restless of Angel” is a great way to put this.
I don't know that this is Angel's Restless, but there are obvious parallels with how they end both of the season 4's. The 'foreshadowing' here is pretty literal and in your face. You don't need to rewatch this episode after the fact to understand what you watched. They're taking over W&H and we see the things in their lives they're struggling with.
Personally, I wish fans wouldn't hype season 5 so much. All these things are a matter of taste and considering how much Elie seemed to enjoy season 4, I wouldn't take it for granted he will be in the 'season 5 is the best' camp. I have 2 people close to me who actually watched these shows (my best friend and my sister). They both say season 4 is their favorite season of Angel. I disagree, but I understand their take. It's a more cohesive story than season 5. It plays out the way the writers want instead of getting cancelled mid season and having to rush to the end like season 5. And like Elie kept saying, 'it's banger after banger'. Most of season 4 is spent on the knife's edge of the apocalypse. If that's what draws you into the season, season 5 is good, but not that. I say all of this as someone who calls season 5 my favorite season, but season 4 is my second favorite and I understand people who like it more. Don't go overpromising is my main point. It's impossible to deny season 5 is well done episode to episode, but we've seen reactors be a little underwhelmed compared to all the hype.
ELIE on your first EPISODE of season 5 Angel WHEN THE THEME SONG Starts COVER YOUR EYES!!
Not sure if you want to be surprised who they added to the cast but close your eyes and and maybe even for the credits to just in case
Not sure if you noticed but your voice keeps coming in and out throughout video
I think you're being a bit overhyped if you expect Angel 5 to be better than all of Buffy. Er, no. Definitely NO. Personally I think season 4 is the best Angel season. 5 is good, but... it's not THAT good.
I remember being a bit stumped when I first watched it as I was a bit younger, wondering why Wolfram & Hart made this deal but yeah on a rewatch was reminded of it by that Holland elevator scene in season 2 - where he explains to Angel that the only way W&H can continue doing their thing is through free will. As long as the capacity for free will exists, the potential for darkness can be exploited! Only way to avoid that is to eliminate free choice like Jasmine was tryna do, but the catch is it robs us of the "spiciness" of the world lol so not ideal from an human perspective. But from a strictly utilitarian standpoint, which W&H is coming from, yeah the Angel crew giving free choice back meant that W&H has a reason to operate again.
I did feel bad for Connor and his broken, traumatised ass at the end but I'm glad they give him some form of peace here, because how do you even come back from growing up the way that kid did? It made sense why he was a complete stick in the mud at the end, but just not in the entertaining way more of a frustrating and depressing way haha
And now you see why there's such a tonal shift in how people talk about season 5! Everyones gonna be pumped
Your audio was going in, and out. When you are talking in certain parts, I can't hear you, but I can hear the episode perfectly fine.
I dont get that cos in premiere pro everything is fine
@@eliemoses Yeah your audio is going in and out badly when you go to make certain points
@@jonathanmays8203 i actually dont get it the file is fine in premiere pro when i export the sound is all there I havent done anything wrong. I still hope you enjoy 😊 i can't catch a break 🤣
@@eliemoses I only noticed it once.
This is the first time I’m noticing it. But if it helps it’s happening around here: 9:42
Conner may not be a likable character, but no one can relate to what he's been through. He was truamatised so badly, that he pretended to feel Jasmines spell just to have some resemblance of peace and he couldn't even have that. Angel gave him something that was otherwise impossible, the complete removal of his truma and a happy family life.
The opening credits of season 5 contain a spoiler that is better enjoyed if you don't see them, so make sure to skip them. The first episode anyways of course.
Please can people stop seriously hinting at things to come. Even if Elie suspects something doesn’t allow you to confirm things. It’s one thing for him to say things but it’s another for you to address it. I know you are responding to his comments but people are getting way too comfortable hinting at things to come or hinting at which of Ellie’s predictions are accurate.
Yes, Connor's memories were completely altered. He doesn't remember anything about his old life. Not Angel, not Holtz, not Cordelia, not Jasmine, not Quortoth, not anything. As far as he's concerned, he's a normal teenage boy who grew up with a normal family. And he knows nothing about vampires or the supernatural. And just like he remembers nothing, no one remembers his existence either, except Angel. This has parallels with the first season Angel episode "I Will Remember You," when he turned human and spent a perfect day with Buffy, only to turn back time and wipe everyone's memories of that day, including Buffy's, except his own.
I love this set-up for next season, and a nice way to end Connor's arc.
Remember when he was a cute baby and we were all excited for Connor. 🤣
All things considered this season, they did a good job using this episode to course correct.
Now that you’re done, this season went through production hell and had to pivot directions a bit.
Small investigations firm goes corporate next season! I love this idea as it really questions whether corporations are the greatest evil in the verse. Will it corrupt this once bright eyed start-up business. Lol 🤣
Annnnnd in we go!!!!!! - honestly, S5 of Angel is probably my favourite out of the series - not the best, just based on my personal personal likes, I'd rank it and S2 as best from Angel, S2&5 as best from Buffy while my favourite's 6 - for how well it ties together some of the more serious stuff we see in Angel with more light-hearted material that's more common back in Sunnydale, as well as some of the messages in there... (certain character's arcs help on that front, iykyk)
EDIT: Forgot how good Lilah is in this episode😆, and your mic cuts out between 19:48 - 20:24
You should figure out the audio issues before watching the Buffy ending
Yo Elie, for many parts, we can't hear you. Your lips are moving, but there is no sound. What's interesting is that, as you're talking silently, the episode is playing and we CAN hear it, but not you. It's like your mic is out of sink with the episode. This is especially true around minute 19 when Angel is talking to Lilah in his new office. You pause and give a long speech, but there is no audio. If you can't see what I'm saying, log out of your TH-cam account, watch this video while logged out, and then log back in. Just make sure you remember your TH-cam password first. Or, just take my word for it. But yeah, there are many parts of this video when you're on mute, but the episode isn't.
Yea ive been told. I havent done anything. Everything was in sync when I exported in premeiere pro and all audio was there. I have no idea.
Oh, Elie, you will see soon enough. 🤫🤭
The episode is when I feel Angel finally hit its stride.
19:47 Why dose the sound cut out? Is that just on my end.
I noticed that.
@@relaxingtopology256 okay, At least it's not just me.
It happens a few other times in the video too.
34:40 This is the second time Angel has done this: I Will Remember You and now.
Season 5 is a roller coaster can't wait for it
8:03
Me on third punch unleashing on Elie for not thinking about not reading the opening credits in the past seasons and season five. Hey Connors in the right here as I would be on can of whoop azz on wanna be young Logan Elie
Elie, you had some problems with your microphone/audio input through the whole video.
The volume is impossible, man.
23:00 FINALLY LET IT SLIP, MAN'S A FURRY 😂😂
Glad you made it to this point, this season was bonkers but in a good way. Too bad season 5 of Angel isn't on par. Easily one of the worst Buffyverse seasons. It's the equivalent of s4 of Buffy.
I'm really very so sorry for Connor. He didn’t ask for being kidnapped and raised by Daniel Holtz. Even being mantiplatived and misguided by bad people like Daniel Holtz Justine Cooper and Jasmine who's possessed Connor's surrogate mom Cordelia. God i wish things better if Connor wasn't being kidnapped in the first place. I know everybody and i wish Connor been raised by his biological father Angel and his surrogate mom Cordelia.
Angel doing ultimate sacrifice by made deal with arch enemy Wolfram And Hart to save his biological son Connor and his third love Cordelia. That's real noble.
I wish Cordelia still alive in season 5. I dislike Joss Whedon wronged all characters in movies and tv shows. At same time, he made inappropriate relationship between Cordelia and her surrogate son Connor in Angel season 4. Cordelia is the closest thing to Connor he have as mom after he lost his biological mother Darla died sacrifice herself for him when he was born at November 19th, 2001. I want Angel and Cordelia getting married and have twins unborn children in Angel season 5 as everybody want that since long time ago at Angel tv show.
I wish Lilah Morgan is the one who killed Lindsay McDonald in Angel season 5, not Lorne.
The show is over but imagination lives on to create fanfiction.
am i the only one who has cuts of Elie's voice? he starts saying something and silence...
Season 5 of Angel is the best! Sooooo excited
Elie, I suspect maybe if you fade the video overlay so it blends into your camera scene a bit, copyright might be a bit more forgiving. Viewers should have already seen these episodes, so it's OK if they aren't crystal clear. Also, I still say Fuck Connor! 🤬
who is lying to this man saying angel season 5 is better than anything buffy has produced? lmfaoooo angel season 5 is better than other angel seasons but better than buffy??? delusional
Nah I agree Angel S5 is the best season in the Buffyverse and it’s not really even close IMO. Buffy S2 and S6 would be #2 and #3 but Angel S5 is basically perfect
Honestly, at least watching both in tandem as an adult, I found Angel resonated with me more overall as a show, and I really do think season 5 is amazing :) I love Buffy, don't get me wrong, and I do think Buffy is the one where I can point to specific episodes and go "that is an incredible episode of television", whereas with Angel there's only a couple individual episodes that stand out to me in that particular way. It's just, as a whole experience, Angel is the one I find myself still thinking a lot about even though I finished it over a month ago at this point. I just love the philosophical themes and moral complexity it explores.
The only thing about Angel s5 that makes it maybe a bit overhyped for me is that it doesn't get really great until about halfway in. The first half isn't BAD, but it's more hit-and-miss one-offs whereas, starting around episode 11, it picks up full steam and is basically amazing the rest of the way through give or take an episode or two. So I think the fact that it ends on such a high note is why people remember it so fondly.
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I feel exactly the same regarding Buffy vs Angel. Hitting my 30s now and really loving the more adult themes more and more in Angel.
As for Season 5, I think there’s only one miss in the whole season (no spoilers for Elie but it involves mail lol) but I do agree the back half of the season is probably why it’s so beloved
This is all subjective of course, but theres also objective truths. Season 5 of angel is not the best season of the buffyverse lmao
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