Yu-Gi-Oh! Player Rates Magic: The Gathering Cards!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Just how good would a Yu-Gi-Oh! player be at rating Magic: The Gathering cards? Today we show @VantaJay cards like Platinum Angel, Nadu, and Shahrazad for his reaction!
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I hope you all enjoyed! If I do this again, who should I have on, and what cards should I show them?
You should definitely show someone Chains of Mephistopheles with the original text (not the Oracle text) in the "is it real" section. And share the flowchart for their reaction once they've made their guesses.
Loved the video! Especially for the fact that you are using commander cards and not just 1v1 format cards like all these other videos like this!!!
As for who to have on? Bring back VantaJay! Also try Cimo, Dzeef, or TheCaliEffect for guests.
What cards? Doomskar, Mishra Claimed by Gix/Phyrexian Dragon Engine/Mishra Lost to Phyrexia, Urza lord protector/the might stone and the weak stone/Urza planeswalker, The ozolith, smothering tithe, jeska's will, dockside extortionist, bitterblossom, teysa karlov, giada font of hope, Gisela the broken blade/bruna the fading light/brisela, voice of nightmares, esika god of the tree/the prismatic bridge, ulalek fused atrocity, the ur dragon, Edgar markov, Yuriko the Tiger's shadow, isshin two heavens as one, go shintai of life's origin, urtet remnant of memnarch, queen marchesa, sisay weatherlight captain, tovolar dire overlord, Najeela the Blade blossom, Winota joiner of forces, shorikai, genesis engine
@@puno_de_leyenda3299 thank you for all the kind words and insight!
"draw a card every time your creatures are targeted up to twice a turn (per creature) and also cheat that card into play if it's a land" is such an obviously absurd effect I'm surprised it was even printed
Yea it's kinda nutty lmao
It was printed to make wotc money, simple as that.
Like said above, it's power creep for the power of greed
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle *every* card is printed to make money, I doubt nadu was meant to be the greed fueled format breaker it is, if it were they would have made it mythic imo, it's probably just a poor design and will get banned before long
The ability is not every time your creatures get targeted - it's every time this creature get targeted - Nadu just gives that ability to all creatures you control.. Which - does not make it any less absurd.. Perhaps works bit less well with Roaming Throne - might work bit better with Delney.. But it makes the limitation this ability triggers only twice a turn be twice a turn per creature (or per ability) .. which pushes it to absolute sillyness - you need to keep track of how many times it has triggered for each creature separately... Nice...
This was so much fun to do. Thanks for having me! MTG is a wild game fr
Appreciate you coming on!
Pact of negation is better than he told you, you play combo and it protects your combo.
You’re not gonna pay the 5 as you’re gonna win that turn
"It sounds so convoluted..." Bruv. I've watched modern YuGiOh gameplay. Abyssal Persecutor is nothing.
But also, I love the commander decks that take bad cards and make them good.
You can also absolutely turn two Talara's Battalion. You are probably playing elf ball, possibly mono green. Turn one, forest llanowar, turn two, forest fyndhorn talara's. And that's not even a magical christmas hand.
Just give Abyssal to your opponent then you can start to have some fun.
@@Dragonpuncher123 what about giving everyone one with fractured identity
@@Sloth_wolf bruh scutes mutate deck with terror of the peaks? goes from machine gun to automatic nuke launchers
hey, good video but nadus “twice each turn” clause is PER CREATURE, leading to a far better effect than that you described, with some simple token generation it wins you the game
You are correct! I realized after recording that I completely botched it lol
It's per copy of the effect, per creature. It's even stronger than that. If you can make a nonlegendary copy of Nadu (Spark Double or similar) you can get 8 cards per turn (just from the two Nadu's). If that lets you play another creature or flicker one that's another 4 cards, and so on. It's in the not technically infinite, but good enough, pile.
To be fair a lot of people messed that up including myself when the card got spoiled. Our brains couldn’t comprehend the brokenness.
In my experience Platinum Angel doesn't even get removed, it just ends up catching a stray from a board wipe that's dealing with a different player
I have never had a Tinsel Seraph get hit intentionally. The last tine I used one it got smacked by the blast wave of a Blasphemous Act aimed at the the token spammer.
I’ve removed one intentionally exactly one time in the eleven years since I returned to the game, and I did it explicitly because doing so gave me the win on the spot.
trusty awful card
One important point for Pact of Negation for a Yugioh player to understand as well is I would say is like Red Reboot that is kinda like an omni negate instead of just trap cards. Sure you can play it "fairly" by just using it as a counter when you don't have mana up and then next turn playing the 5 mana for it. But usually Pact of Negation is a free protection to counter your opponent trying to stop you making your game winning play or combo - because if they are dead the turn you play it you never need to pay for the 3UU mana next upkeep.
Came to say the same thing. 5 mana is nothing if you've already won (or if you would have lost otherwise).
Don't have to worry about paying 3UU turn one of game 2 after Pact won you game 1
"How do you even build a deck that is cohesive in 100 cards singleton?!"
Wait untill he find out most people have dificulty making cuts when their list is at 120 cards.
The classic "if I can get rid of 1 more card I'll only need to remove 10 more"
I have a deck right now that I am trying to trim down from 130.
I can't believe a non player is reading the manga. This guy was goated from the start
Jay is top tier
I'm a magic player and manga enjoyer but I didn't know there was a manga about magic. what's the name ?
@@isaz2425 destroy all humans they can't be regenerated, or just Google mtg manga
@@isaz2425 Destroy All Humans
Starting out with the "Can't always wins" combo was a great call. Just the very core of why commander is dumb fun. Throw the game state into limbo and get it stuck there for a while.
The SUP episode with "Can't Always Wins" is magnificent thanks to Sam deciding that the funniest thing to do is to stick everyone in limbo together.
@@SyxxPunk Yup but the way they did it there is hard to represent here so following with angel was the right move.
Hi boss, don't forget, you can block flying with the keyword 'Reach' as well.
Of course! Just trying not to overload with excess stuff. It was already a ton of info for a non player 😅
As a technicality isn't reach functionally "as if it has flying" anyway? Meaning flying as a mechanic really doesn't depend on reach.
@@OOMTG No worries, loving the episode
@@Todesnussonly as “it can block as if it had flying” because if it attacks creatures “on the ground” can still block it
@@twisterrr8823 Dude, I know how the game works. I'm saying that reach works even if the rules of flying don't mention it since it is worded that way. Reach isn't an intrinsic part of the flying mechanic but a seperate mechanic that functions as a partial exception. Teaching flying first as a core mechanic and leaving reach for when it comes up isn't just a simplification for a new player but actually represents how they function.
Abissal persecutor is by far my favourite card in the entire game, and I've won so many games with it
It's such a cool idea for a card
They SAY Abyssal Persecutor is bad, but...
I once played against a lady who had been playing Magic since basically day one, running an absolutely absurd group hug deck. The other three of us were at each other's throats, when all of a sudden she destroyed the persecutor and all of us lost for different reasons.
We love when jank becomes OP in this house lmao
For those who want a hilarious interaction with Abyssal Persecutor, watch the Shuffle Up and Play episode with Marcus, Spice, and Rhystic Studies.
Remember, CAN’T always wins.
You can also check out the recent MTG Goldfish Commander Clash, where their goal was to lose as fast as possible. Abyssal Persecutor is very funny when all of your opponents want to lose.
that jump scare at 0:24 was uncalled for lol, great vid tho
Abyssal persecutor in 60 card formats is wild as hell. Especially doing free play with friends. I ran mono black demons and I threw out persecutors turn 1 or 2 with dark rits and burnt offerings
38:34. Hive Mind! He was on the right track, but slightly different tactic!
When he thought about workbarounds with body of research. He became an honorary cimmander player in my book
I love the moment of "60/60 is NUTS...but wait" lmao
3:20 no, the true gamplay for this card is to give it you opponent and give an other opponent a Copy so you all are in the void there nobody can win and lose until on of the card is dead XD
Fun video, Vanta was really fun.
For the fake cards remember to double check them; Deep Depression had a spelling mistake and Alexander has Custom Card written in the info
Yea I noticed while filming aha 😅
You say that as if magic cards never have mistakes on them 😂
@@burnsboy101 LMAOO riiiiight, i was playing the long-con. Nothing makes it fit in more than not being made correctly
"a" spelling mistake ? :P "enchanted play draw" and "in to there" are quite huge signs it's fake
25:54 you stopped me dead in my tracks here, labeled as not only a bad person by others but now a degenerate too lmao
He sounds fun, lend him and annoying deck and introduce him to commander sounds like a great time
Definitely gunna bring him a deck next time we meet up!
Platinum Angel saved me once when I was 100% guaranteed to lose. I was borrowing a friend's deck to play before others arrived to our DnD session to pass the time. I was/am a new player and was told this is a rainbow deck, while my opponent played a mill deck.
As you can imagine, I was mana screwed, until he played a card that made me draw half of my deck. That move put me at 7 assorted mana, just enough to play PA. His next turn, he took me to negative life, and milled the rest of my deck, but I couldn't lose and he didnt have a card to remove a creature from play.
He ended up losing because he drew his entire deck one card at a time until he had no more. So I milled the mill deck lol
I love videos like this! I love crossover TCG videos because it's so interesting to see what card effects are powerful/weak in certain games!
You neglected to mention the infinite combo with Kroxa: Solemnity + Luminous Broodmoth + Kroxa. Those 3 in tandem create an infinite loop where it dies and is reborn immediately every time it dies. Also, the combo with cards like Stifle or Torpor Orb to stop it being sacrificed, in which case you've gained a 6/6 for 2 that can start triggering when it swings even if the initial discard trigger is countered.
The moment I saw the Abyssal P i just KNEW you were a John player. Same here ^^
bruh i sat down to a pod the other day and 2/3 of the other players had commanders with first strike and death touch. I've never been so sad to play john lmao
Pact of Negation mostly sees play to protect combos. You don't have to pay 3UU if you win the game before your next upkeep.
"Into there graveyard" 🤔🤔🤔
If you think 100 cards is bad, I remember when Battle of Wits was the new hotness and there were people showing up with decks that were 4 copies of that and 250 islands.
We NEED vanta to play mtg
Just got to the first one and i feel like you explained the card too much before Vanta made their decision. Cardmarket did this style of video too and I'd recommend explaining what you can do with a card after they make their decision. Makes for more of a "ahhhh i see" moment
yea i was definitely feeling things out and there are 100% things i'd fix for next time. Appreciate the feedback!
holy shit it's been years since I've watched Jay's videos! i remember watching his stuff on Pokémon X/Y when it came out!
Oh man this was awesome! I'm not super familiar with your or your channel but I will 100% be here to see more videos like this!
I'm more familiar with 1v1 formats than commander but either way it was fun to see a player from another game get to experience the wildness of MTG design, and the "which card is not real" segment at the end was a super cool touch too!
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for all the kind words :)
As a commander player, I think that would be better if these cards were in the context of a 1 v 1 format. Mostly because commander is so alien from other games.
I agree 100% almost everything can see play and be good in commander unless the card is obviously trash. Whereas in 1v1 a card needs to cross a bar of power level to see consistant play
Wanna know the worst part about Nadu? The ability that Nadu grants to each creature you control functions independently for each creature. Specifically, the ability can trigger twice each turn for each creature you control, not just twice total. Which means, if you have 2 creatures, you can trigger this 4 times, if you have 4 creatures, that's 8. And with all the ramping and cards you will draw, those numbers will quickly go beyond just 4 creatures on board.
Scute Swarm says hi.
Choose how many
●Sideboard deck option.
●Mulligan hand option.
●March creature option.
●Borrow mana option.
●Attack left option.
●Attack right option.
●Attack both option.
●Attack single option.
●Attack multiple option.
●Attack across option.
●Shuffling deck option.
●Cutting deck option.
●Trait adjustment option.
●Equal footing option.
●Time out option.
●Final round option.
●Recurring card option.
●Thinning card option.
●Head start option.
●Come back option.
●Sealed pool option.
●Friend brew option.
Man, I haven’t seen Vanta since the Pkmn days!😮 Nostalgia.
I love the crossover conversation. Especially considering the recent McDonald’s kids toys being a hello kitty x yugioh collab.
Please have this guy on more more mtg content. He’s got a great attitude
Choose one
●Single elimination.
●Double elimination.
●Triple elimination.
●Single round robin.
●Double round robin.
●Triple round robin.
●Swiss.
●Dutch.
●Monrad.
Talara's battalion is actually pretty good in elf-ball since you will often have 3 mana turn 2, and you can just drop a 1 drop elf followed by talara's. Though thats one specific deck.
Abyssal Persecutor then Platinum Angel really set the tone for how this video is gonna go 😂
I thought it was a fun way to open lol
Haven't played Yugioh in forever but in regards to the singleton format one important thing when building a commander deck is there are so many cards with similar effects in MTG.
So you end up with a lot of different cards but they all mainly accomplish the same goal. In a standard deck you would just find the best for whatever reason and put 4 copies and lose the rest.
Body of Research + Simic Ascendancy = fun times
I've seen a 4 way draw end with a platinum angel, a persecutor, and a board wipe.
Choose two
●Ante.
●Trade.
●Forbid ante.
●Forbid trade.
●Continue ante.
●Before trade.
●Keep ante.
●Between trade.
●Food ante.
●Public trade.
The Master Duel music in the background makes me want to go and play MD again, and then I remember the format we're in 😅
Great discussion btw, glad I found y'all ✌️
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i actually once did try to make a game state that cannot end. platinum angel, abyssal persecutor, that one anti sac angel, indestructible emblem and solemnity but with exile removal more prominent is it way less possible to lock down the game
abyssal persecutor is a must kill in edh. I run it in mt cedh and it just slams with no real downside. Cuz' rememer, your opponents can't lose the game means that none of them can. besides, you just need to sac it once it did its job. but it will generally have been killed by your opponents before then
yeah, so the real interest of pact of negation was to protect your combo. the cost doesn't matter, since you just win on the turn
doubling season + the ozalith + body of research = mass hysteria.
Great video, I love when people do this. It's fun watching people learn magic real time.
this was great fun! I love these sorts of videos. thanks to the two of you for making it!
Body of Research is pretty bad in commander, but in modern domain decks it's not hard to give it hexproof and trample with scion of draco and haste through various means or just fling it for one more mana.
initially I wasn't fond of the mtg collabs, but they're good at making the characters into cards, my favorites are the silver secret lair poneys, I'm not into mlp, but they're really neat, like the "your party is always full" for the party girl one
I think when it's done well it is a really fun idea for sure!
Angel seems like it is an enchantment that allows you disregard your player health and use a bunch lifelink cards. So just get them down in health and then even when you run out of life you can heal and kill your Angel...If the opponent is also at or near zero they might not want to kill angel to have a chance for a comeback.
PLAYER VS PLAYER.
PLAYER VS TEAM.
TEAM VS TEAM.
Grammatical errors on Deep Depression caught my eye, otherwise with no knowledge of Magic I would have said it was real because that's actually a cool idea
The purpose of pact of negation is to protect your own wincon, if you pact you’re trying to win that turn so you don’t have to pay the 5….
Combo babyyyyyy
Pact of Negation could easily be replaced by Fierce Guardianship for no downsides besides its higher cost as a single, unless you're playing a commander everyone will target. Blue could also plot or foretell a counter spell. I feel like Pact of Negation would be too risky for me.
Body of research in my kenrith blink deck would be hilarious 😂😂😂
The "Custom Card" part of the alexander the great card XD
i was 90% sure i removed that lmaoo
3:30 i'm new to this channel, and VantaJay as well, but I would have provided more information: 6/6 for 20 life is like 3500/3500 for 8000 LifePoints, similarly a 4-mana card is like a "6-level monster that also require either a discard, or removing a card from the top deck or graveyard, or like 500 life points", which is a bunch but not so much.
This way he can have better bridges from his knowledge and Magic-related knowledge.
Yea we talked before the video started and I gave him a bunch of rough info like that as well as general rules, stats, examples of each color and cost etc
@@OOMTG uh nice! that was a great and kind of move of yours!
WOOOOOW watching your video I discovered that Break Open has a translation error in my language and I always used it wrong XD Break Open in my language (Brazilian Portuguese) doesn't say "an opponent controls", and this is a big deal for me because when I was a kid I made a morph deck and had four of them to keep facing up my creatures without paying their cost, Lmao.
Love all the new content!
great vid! I wouldve probably added that pact of negation is primarily used in combo decks! trigger doesnt matter if youve already won lol
Well the thing with Platinum Angel is cause of the tons of crit removals and sweapers in Magic that this card stays around one or two seconds before it is removed. Some opponents don't even care if you play it out on your turn, cause they know they can remove it easily in later turns. Pact of Negation on the other hand I only encounter it in the goblin charbelcher deck build nowadays, or most of the time.
X card game player rank/react to Y card game is my favorite type of youtube video
It can be really fun! Hope you enjoyed :)
DUEL = one game.
SET = three game.
MATCH = six game.
Imagine if he heard about Titan in Modern with Amulet and making it a haste double striker.
The "which one is fake" segment was a really good idea, but please spellcheck ;)
😅
As someone heavily against crossover cards, I feel the need to explain why. I had no issue with them doing joke or crossover cards while they were silver bordered and separate. It was cool to see. But I did have an issue when they brought them in to normal play. MTG isn't just a random card game where the cards just exist. MTG is a 30 year old running story. It has had lore and plotlines and characters built up over longer than many of its players have been alive.
Now you suddenly have characters from fallout or my little pony appearing in a universe that they just don't fit with. It completely devalues the setting and is a clear window into the fact Hasbro is just milking all the money it can out of another franchise before it shrivels up and dies. Imagine if pokemon suddenly had cards with characters from skyrim on them. Or if doctor who was suddenly having canon crossovers with Warhammer 40k. Crossovers are a neat idea... as long as they remain separate from main canon and play.
Oh shit it's Famous Jaymus
Deep Depression has so many typos XD
We tired in these streets lmao
I love videos like this! I swear I've started hunting them down lol!
i like to run platinum angel in my shadowfax deck. if i have any sort of buff on shadowfax i get to play plat angel for free, also body of research is great in decks with token doublers
Feels really weird judging cards how OP they are... in COMMANDER, when they aren't designed for that in mind at all
No weirder than having him judge magic cards when he plays yugioh.
I would have also said that Pact of Negation is also used when comboing off where the next turn won't happen so it's just a free counterspell to protect the combo.
It'ssss JAY! YT! GAMERRR!
TYPE 1= all set.
TYPE 2= one expansion set/two expansion set/one block/one core set/one core set and one expansion set/one core set and two expansion set/one core set and three expansion set/one core set and four expansion set/one core set and one block/one core set, one expansion set and one block/one core set, two expansion set and one block/one core set and two block/two core set and one block/two core set, one expansion set and one block/two core set, two expansion set and one block/two core set, three expansion set and one block/two core set and two block.
TYPE 3= all common/all uncommon/all rare/all mythic.
TYPE 4= all white border/all black border/all silver border/all gold border.
Even a Yu Gi oH player should be able to take one look at Nadu and know that it’s way too powerful, imagine if Exodia Solitaire had access to a card like that
Imagine a green/red Hulk deck! all green buffs hulk all red is hulk throwing shit at your opponent for direct damage.
good video! I would explain why things are good or bad way simplier. Like a huge 60/60 token, you can just block it with a 0/1; pact of negation you can use all the mana in your turn and negate anything that is a meanance. you lose mana in upkeep, but the board was setup last turn.
counters are not about using your mana efficiently/ negate a thing that costs more than your counter card. they just allow you to do your stuff, or make your opponents not do their stuff.
Please get this guy in a commander game
11:05 it's called poisoned remedy
i think the best way explain why pact is good is ask: "What if there isnt a next turn?"
Smothering Tithe is a good way to piss people off because they have to pay up.🤣
the token created by body of research can also just be blocked by a 1/1
Land destruction is fair if they get something in return, such as field of ruin.
Absolutely! I think most people are fine with field of ruin type effects, it's more the idea of widescale or consistent land destruction that can feel terrible
Extremely entertaining video, but a few points that came up while I was watching.
To evaluate the strength of a card in commander can often times be extremely nebulous or unproductive, I think. It’s a casual format where a lot of players will value fun or social interaction over trying to win by any means and there are so many miserably bad cards in magic and most of them have some deck that they become broken in, or at least they get to do something cool. Unless it’s about something like cEDH of course.
And to add on, the *real* crime of Nadu is not ramping and drawing two every turn, which on an already over-rate flying creature is still crazy, but the fact that it triggers off *all* your creatures elevates it to being completely unreasonable. Sticking a good landfall trigger or two on the field can very well go infinite with this and basically makes the “twice per turn” rule at the bottom meaningless. Not to mention it’s a non-deterministic infinite, it’s possible to whiff, making it so that a lot of players just won’t concede in the off chance the chain ends lmao. Either way, an incredibly stupid card.
I find it really hard to give a just ranking to older cards like Percy that was a very good card in one particular archetype back in Extended and standard, but has been completely unplayable for the last 15 years.
Also I really don't like basing ranks on commander, where stats don't matter, everything is about value and abilities, and every card can be playable in the right deck.
Whether you like it or not, commander is the format I play so it wouldn't make sense ro talk about things I have no experience with. Not to mention it is the way most people experience the game now
i don't always speedrun a commander game. But when I do, I pact of negation turn “1” against an opposing sol ring.
Me: "I know I shouldn't. Its dumb. Don't do it... but like. It'd be SO FUNNY"
golf clap for naming lightning exchange as the fake. as a dude with no magic knowledge that was clutch af.
I know my fakes weren't great, but the dude NAILED that section I think
"what they smoke when they desing that?!" XD that deserves the like! XD
Considering Gut Shot exists, Lightning Exchange could totally be a real card and I would LOVE a copy in my Stella Lee deck.
I love abyssal persucutor in commander not because its good but because its fun to watch players who are about to lose protect my creature to keep them from losing
Bro mentioned the mtg manga!
48:35 There graveyard. Fantastic spelling.
Thanks fam! Very normal and not at all weird behavior to point something like that out 50 minutes into a video :)
A yugioh player plays 1v1 why would you have him judge cards for a commander game? That is the definition of convoluted.
because 1. I'm more experienced with commander than 1v1 magic, and 2, he's already talking about another game with an entirely different rule set - saying it's 4 players isn't THAT big a leap.
@@OOMTG It is though. So many cards are incredible 1 v 1 but just absolutely none cards in commander.
@@strangercandy_ Dawg, I hate to break it to you, but the fact that he's judging cards from a different game with different rules, keywords, player count, and structure is going to be in fact, convoluted. Almost feels like it's literally the entire point of the video.
That's what I'm saying lol like commander might be one more step removed, but my dude is 10 miles from home. That 1 step doesn't matter
People love to crap on One With Nothing and it actually saw tournament play back when Owling Mine was in the meta! This is back when i was in college and I had an Owling Mine deck on old-school MTGO