I agree the whole beef could have been clean, which is ONE of (many) reasons euphoria is my fav track, it's the cleanest diss without anything salacious. Kendrick warned Drake after mentioning Whitney in Push Ups not to "speak on the family Brodie" because if Drake took it there "he's takin it further". Now people saying Kendrick took it to far, which is a personal pet peeve of mine in life in general - people will antagonise you and poke you then when you react they are like "calm down", "you're doing to much".
The best thing this beef has done for the culture is raise rap IQ again. Cause if we being honest, euphoria didn't land too well on day 1. The following days as it got dissected more and more is when it started landing and people were starting to listen differently again. Huge W for hip hop imo.
I also think Drake would have been at a better advantage if he would have rolled out the receipts better (if he had them) because it then breeds doubt if the "mole" was real or not. If he would have dropped receipts after Meet the Grahams the public perception of Kendrick winning may have swayed. Drake can't just say all he's saying is straight facts whilst demanding receipts from Kendrick but not providing no receipts himself. I personally feel the Dave Free/Whitney storyline was all formulated based on Whitney's IG feed, a lazy angle.
Ye wasn't needed nor wanted to be involved in this battle. But he did give information that some weren't aware of when he mentioned Lucien. And his version of the "Like That" beat is way better than Metro's version.
Bruh. When you said "19 minutes" I froze in shock. Joe Budden said on his podcast (before any tracks on either side even dropped and everyone was counting down the days still after Like That) that he had heard from someone in Kendrick's camp that he went in the booth and came out with 19 minutes of a diss. Joe also said he knew Drake had tracks done already too. So if they both had these records lined up and just finishing them up and figuring out when to drop them, that means definitively that someone from Drake's camp absolutely gave Kendrick a tape of all of Drake's disses so he could come back with line for line rebuttals. There is no way that this isn't the case because how the heck could he have dropped all these so strategically and meticulously timed. All Kdot had to say was "press public" because they were locked and loaded. Decorated General my ash. "I can calculate you're not as calculated, I can even predict your angles." Sheesh. {yes, I know that this is conspiracy territory at it's finest, but I've been hyperfocused on this for two dang months now and I'm legit like freakin Charlie with the wall and red string meme. Ya'll gave me the missing puzzle piece and I'm shook.} *P.S. You guys are dope and I'm definitely a bell on subscriber now. ^w^
@@tcincali9642 that video was like 2 1/2 minutes. The Jay Z went on and on and on and on. It was crazy in my circle but I was in the A and didn’t care about either one forreal. We had our own music we was on.
@@moeholmes7232 I mean nah. It was a hard bar because people thought it was true for the most part (or could be true at least). If people somehow knew it wasn’t true, it would be corny to say. It’s also different for a few reasons. The age of the internet makes verifying stuff like that a lot more accessible. More importantly, “I fucked your girl” is WAY different from “You beat your wife” or “You’re an actual pedo”. One is like an embarrassing thing to have happen. The others are character damning allegations.
@@BlakeZeb you ever been to a real rap battle. It’s about bars. It’s multiple ppl competing with one another saying the wildest stuff ever. Nobody cares if it’s real or not. Was the bars hard. You think rappers tell the truth about their lives. I heard Future don’t even do drugs, Travis Scott grew up in the suburbs. It’s a performance.
@@moeholmes7232 Beefs aren’t the same as normal rap battles. And no I don’t think rappers tell the truth of their lives in every song lol. “You beat your wife” or “you’re a pedo” is a lot different than “I sell drugs” when I really don’t.
this whole debate about truth and giving receipts came from Drake trolling and influencing people online…assume whichever you want (all true/all lies) who spit better? to me it was obvious also wild to me that people put more stock in drake retroactively claiming he fed false intel to kendrick when dot made a similar claim, *in advance* on multiple songs…only one of em showed proof and it feels like that’s been overlooked
So out of the Four of you guys sitting down in this podcast, not one of y'all thought Drake won. Idk why y'all titled this video "New Old Heads discuss who won the Kendrick Lamar and Drake battle" making me think there was a shroud of mystery as to who thinks who won. All Four of y'all think the same thing, which means no disagreements can be made, which means no meaningful debate can be had. Y'all might as well have titled this video "New Old Heads discuss Kendrick Lamar beating Drake in a rap battle". Biased mfs. Dislike. Good riddance.
Cole made the mistake of "standing next to him" and people be wondering why Kendrick got at Cole... SMH Kendrick will still be cool with Cole after all of this, but the respect has been diminished.
I agree the whole beef could have been clean, which is ONE of (many) reasons euphoria is my fav track, it's the cleanest diss without anything salacious. Kendrick warned Drake after mentioning Whitney in Push Ups not to "speak on the family Brodie" because if Drake took it there "he's takin it further". Now people saying Kendrick took it to far, which is a personal pet peeve of mine in life in general - people will antagonise you and poke you then when you react they are like "calm down", "you're doing to much".
He destroyed Drake in 4 different rap sub-genres 😂
Facts
Of course, we Kenny fans are emotional. We waited 11 years for Kenny to put his hands on the boy. 😂😂😂😂😂
The best thing this beef has done for the culture is raise rap IQ again. Cause if we being honest, euphoria didn't land too well on day 1. The following days as it got dissected more and more is when it started landing and people were starting to listen differently again. Huge W for hip hop imo.
Kendrick mop Drake
^ definitely a bot
King Kendrick 👑
It’s only Fact Finding with Drake… Before Drake Dissed Tracks Never was Questioned Because they were people who Respected Rapping and Hip Hop
I also think Drake would have been at a better advantage if he would have rolled out the receipts better (if he had them) because it then breeds doubt if the "mole" was real or not. If he would have dropped receipts after Meet the Grahams the public perception of Kendrick winning may have swayed. Drake can't just say all he's saying is straight facts whilst demanding receipts from Kendrick but not providing no receipts himself. I personally feel the Dave Free/Whitney storyline was all formulated based on Whitney's IG feed, a lazy angle.
I've been waiting to hear yall speak about it lol.
Ye wasn't needed nor wanted to be involved in this battle. But he did give information that some weren't aware of when he mentioned Lucien.
And his version of the "Like That" beat is way better than Metro's version.
Kendrick washed his ahh. Next caller.
Bruh. When you said "19 minutes" I froze in shock. Joe Budden said on his podcast (before any tracks on either side even dropped and everyone was counting down the days still after Like That) that he had heard from someone in Kendrick's camp that he went in the booth and came out with 19 minutes of a diss. Joe also said he knew Drake had tracks done already too. So if they both had these records lined up and just finishing them up and figuring out when to drop them, that means definitively that someone from Drake's camp absolutely gave Kendrick a tape of all of Drake's disses so he could come back with line for line rebuttals. There is no way that this isn't the case because how the heck could he have dropped all these so strategically and meticulously timed. All Kdot had to say was "press public" because they were locked and loaded. Decorated General my ash. "I can calculate you're not as calculated, I can even predict your angles." Sheesh.
{yes, I know that this is conspiracy territory at it's finest, but I've been hyperfocused on this for two dang months now and I'm legit like freakin Charlie with the wall and red string meme. Ya'll gave me the missing puzzle piece and I'm shook.}
*P.S. You guys are dope and I'm definitely a bell on subscriber now. ^w^
Ice cube is not from Compton, he's from South Central L.A.
Fair. Point still stands.
We remember that long a** diss from Cam. I was in college and on Cam side. It was 10 minutes of Jay Z borrowing other rappers lines.
And then it was a video dropped of Cam doing the same thing
@@tcincali9642 that video was like 2 1/2 minutes. The Jay Z went on and on and on and on. It was crazy in my circle but I was in the A and didn’t care about either one forreal. We had our own music we was on.
Whether it’s true or not doesn’t matter, it’s about who had the hardest bars.
Nah true or not definitely matters. If one side showed receipts and the other didn’t, that would be a game changer.
@@BlakeZeb not really. We never fact checked if Tupac smashed Biggie wife. It was a hard bar. That’s what matters.
@@moeholmes7232 I mean nah. It was a hard bar because people thought it was true for the most part (or could be true at least). If people somehow knew it wasn’t true, it would be corny to say.
It’s also different for a few reasons. The age of the internet makes verifying stuff like that a lot more accessible. More importantly, “I fucked your girl” is WAY different from “You beat your wife” or “You’re an actual pedo”. One is like an embarrassing thing to have happen. The others are character damning allegations.
@@BlakeZeb you ever been to a real rap battle. It’s about bars. It’s multiple ppl competing with one another saying the wildest stuff ever. Nobody cares if it’s real or not. Was the bars hard. You think rappers tell the truth about their lives. I heard Future don’t even do drugs, Travis Scott grew up in the suburbs. It’s a performance.
@@moeholmes7232 Beefs aren’t the same as normal rap battles. And no I don’t think rappers tell the truth of their lives in every song lol. “You beat your wife” or “you’re a pedo” is a lot different than “I sell drugs” when I really don’t.
this whole debate about truth and giving receipts came from Drake trolling and influencing people online…assume whichever you want (all true/all lies) who spit better? to me it was obvious
also wild to me that people put more stock in drake retroactively claiming he fed false intel to kendrick when dot made a similar claim, *in advance* on multiple songs…only one of em showed proof and it feels like that’s been overlooked
So out of the Four of you guys sitting down in this podcast, not one of y'all thought Drake won. Idk why y'all titled this video "New Old Heads discuss who won the Kendrick Lamar and Drake battle" making me think there was a shroud of mystery as to who thinks who won. All Four of y'all think the same thing, which means no disagreements can be made, which means no meaningful debate can be had. Y'all might as well have titled this video "New Old Heads discuss Kendrick Lamar beating Drake in a rap battle". Biased mfs. Dislike. Good riddance.
Cole made the mistake of "standing next to him" and people be wondering why Kendrick got at Cole... SMH
Kendrick will still be cool with Cole after all of this, but the respect has been diminished.
23:28 🧢🧢🧢🧢🤦🏽♂️ nas won that and it wasn’t close
Family Matters was the best joint so Drake won foh Drake is a Problem 💥
If Family Matters was so good...why drake delete it from IG?????