Chinese swear their revenge on Japanese (Sino-Japanese War)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- A scene from Japanese NHK's historical drama '坂の上の雲' (Saka no ue no kumo, Clouds over the Hill).
During the First Sino-Japanese War (中日甲午战争, 日清戦争) (1894-1895) a group of Japanese soldiers occupied a small village in China and forced its villagers to hand over all their foods, drinks, and etc. Moreover, a Japanese first sergeant proudly said
"This dirty and filthy street is the conqueror's road"
"It is a great pleasure that Chinese people treat us with utmost courtesy".
Seeing this, a Chinese old man strongly protested, but he was soon hit and thrust to the ground. A Japanese reporter tried to help the old man and his grandson, but he was pushed to the ground by the old man too.
Bursting with rage, the old man cried out.
"这孩子的父母都被你们给杀死了!"
(This boy's parents were all killed by you!）
"终有一天这孩子就报酬的!"
(Someday this boy will definitely have his vengeance on you!)
Hearing the old man crying out, the reporter asked the Japanese soldier about what exactly the old man said. The Japanese first sergeant, however, deceived him, saying that the old man just expressed his gratitude to them.
To those who didn't understand, the Chinese old man was saying they have nothing left to eat and something along the lines of the kid's parents were killed by the Japanese.
China back then is similar to the Syria of today. It was a terrible situation.
That scene makes me wanna cry
China during the late years of the Qing dynasty was very weak and them weak made them vulnerable to being bullied around by several nations, Britain, Japan, France, Germany which is why they made themselves stronger. So it wouldn't happen again.
@Joe smith yep many people think russia and china always been allies but in fact russia fought china historically more them westrens
Japan got 2 atomic bombs already. They paid the prices
こんな事があるもんか。
原作にあるわけもないし、司馬先生に対する冒瀆だ。
赦さんぞ。
日本軍が何の罪も犯してないって
言うのは都合良すぎだろ
そこ認めないと、どっかの国みたいになるよ
良いこと言う！！！日本が悪いわけでもなくて、当時の戦力軍はどこの国もこうやで。寧ろ日本は、占領軍として治安が良い方でもあったらしい。でも少なからずこの動画のような事もあった訳で、忠実に史実を放送するNHK、グッジョブ！
いやいや、原作にないから
@@user-tf2zf4gr5x 原作に書いてなかろうが関係ないわ、自国の歴史を反省しようとするNHKには受信料払ってもいい
@@user-jm6xn6rp5m 私は原作ファンなのでこのシーンは嫌いです。あなたは坂の上の雲を読んだ事がありますか？
@@user-jm6xn6rp5m 歴史だというなら証拠を示しなさい。
これは盛りすぎだけど、少なからずこういうことはあっただろう。一部の人が言うように全く無かったというのは考えづらい。
きっと自分達のご先祖様がどれだけの鬼畜行為をやってきたか直視するのがつらいんだろう
@@siabe3557
反日左翼くんがんばれぇ〜( ´⚰︎` )
そうだな戦後アメリカのGHQだって強姦や暴行をした兵士も少なからずいたがその一方で子供にチョコなどのお菓子を与えたりしたりと日本人に寛容な兵士もいた結局部下や仲間が何人も殺されたのに降伏したら全て許して寛容に扱うような人間はそうそういないだろう、どのような国際条約を作ろうが戦争がある限りそれは同じ事を繰り返す最近ではイラク戦争でも米軍が暴行などをして軍事裁判にかけらた兵士がいるのが証拠だ
Chiangkai Kai Shek Elite German Trained units got their revenge on the Imperial Army.
うん。まあ時代考えろよって思うけどね
このロケが撮影された時は、日本がまだ世界2位の経済力を持ってたってことが信じられんな
第一是中國？
@@burning-gc5us アメリカにきまってんだろアホか
Their Economy skyrocketed after world war 2 this was pretty much decades before the 2nd world war happened.
y g
そりゃおまえがアホだからじゃね?
Japan looted cities across Asia and got away with it. After the war when the victims of Japan's atrocities were left with civil wars and fighting for independence from the colonial powers, the Japanese got rich off of the United States.
日清戦争は清軍もなかなかだったけどな。
日本人捕虜は取らず多くが処刑。戦後に清国から帰国した日本兵捕虜は1人のみ。
路上で発見された捕虜はひどい状態で欠損も多かったとか
旅順での日本軍の行為はこういった清軍への復讐もあったらしいが…
この漢民族4000年の拷問が後々の戦陣訓のもとになっています
真相が最早関係なく、人は見たいように見て、思いたいように思う生き物。
コメント欄を見るとつくづくそれを痛感する。
真相がどうかではなく、原作に無いシーンを実写化して追加するNHKに疑問を投げかけるために投稿された動画です
お前が投稿した動画じゃねーだろw見たいように見てますね〜
これを見て、戦争はよくないなって思うならまだしも
日本人を許すなとか言ってたらまた戦争を生むよ
残念ながらお隣のc国とk国のみならず色々な国で「日本はアジア全体に侵略して未だに謝罪してない」て言う解釈ですよ
@@3j6j9j8 そんなもんだ。みんな自分に都合がいいように政治利用されるからね。ただ、嘘、誇張を吹聴して回るのは陰湿すぎて嫌いになります。
@@3j6j9j8 当時の知識層は日本に一定の評価をしていたけどな。それに旧日本軍を祭る施設も各地にある。CとKは願望と政略が史実化しているだけ。
@@3j6j9j8残念ながら「日本はアジア全体を侵略して」まではどう足掻いても争えない事実。
@@3j6j9j8 You can't deny the fact Japan was indeed an imperialist nation at that time and invaded most Asian countries and committed war crimes. You can't deny the fact that Japan has never committed war crimes during that occupation period. It happened and will be remembered forever.
Wars bring out the very best and worst of humanity.... Doesn't matter what you fight for or who you fight for, war is hell, it comes with the territory. My grandparents fought the IJA in second Sino Japanese war and lost most of the family during it but I don't blame those Japanese soldiers grandchildren for it...everything is a matter of circumstances and that time period just happened to allow it. Anyways greetings from China, I know we don't have the best relationship right now but it'll pass.
grateful
Be quiet Sandy D. Just please be quiet ok, you don’t understand the tension between China and Japan.
@待化的冰 yeah that's why people like China's culture and not Japanese. Oh wait.. China culture is the best. We like to have people from china peeing in the street and making a shit out of themselves. We like having people of China throw trash in public whenever they go. Every thing about China is fake even your culture. Real chinese culture only exist in Malaysia, Taiwan etc but not China. Ooh Japan is a bad guy for killing our people during ww2. Says a country who fought each other killing more millions of chinese after WW2. Fucking hypocrites.
@Jaeson Monteiro no, I say whatever the fuck I want.
While Azerbaijan and Armenia in caucasus fighting for 200 years:
Azerbaijan: Round 3 ?
Armenia: Go ahead *****
この時代の清は南と西からイギリスとフランス、北からロシア、東から日本に圧迫されてた。
中国人にとって義和団事件の出兵とか悪夢だろうな
作为中国人，可能需要的不是道歉，因为父辈做的事情和现在的日本人没有什么直接关系，但是希望诸位不要否认历史，以史为鉴方能避免未来的错误。
河北师范大学刘勇 兄弟，你这个我都没法回复你了……在人家视频底下开骂不合适，你这样，这么不想当中华民族你随便问问这评论里面的太君们缺不缺儿子，从新投个胎就行了，我想他们也很乐意。至于我说的历史，是个人主义，不涉及国家层面，只是有感而发呼吁有志青年，国别和民族在共同人类这个属性面前都可以弱化，而你抱着民族主义不丢手无疑显得很低端😑
@@jerryodyssey3522 为什么要对精日孤儿这么礼貌?
胡庚辰 他都是孤儿了……你再对他恶语相向的话，跳楼那可太好了😏
你可知道日本政府至今不肯公布二战日军埋藏细菌炸弹的详细地址。时不时都会有民众无意被遗留的细菌炸弹感染。请你告诉我，为什么拒绝告诉中国？
败类
闇が深いコメント欄だな
海外に軍隊を送っていた頃の日本の歴史ドラマの1シーンですね。
コメント欄見ちゃあかんかったな
そうですよね
毎回こういう動画のコメント欄は
見て気分が悪くなります……
こんな事が起きる前に、清国海軍は長崎を訪問して略奪や殺人をやってるしお互い様だと思います。
日本人「どんぐり美味ーえ」
なお、日清戦争においては日本は丁重に捕虜を扱い何千、何万人と返還したのにも関わらず清側は捕虜にした日本兵の手足を切断し首をはね、戦後、返還された日本兵はたったの数十名。
日本兵が清国民に略奪行為をしたというたった数件で一部の将兵の蛮行を報じるなら組織的に行われた清の蛮行もびょうしゃされるべき。
なんか考えさせられるシーンだったな。
国家レベルでは良かったかも知らんけど個人レベルなら勝っても全然嬉しくない。
もし清が勝ってたら沖縄か九州あたりが占領されてこうなっていた訳か。
731部隊アメリカGHQ調査報告書レポート
*化学兵器の使用事実あり*
不會的，當時的大清帝國不是一個外向型擴張的國家，只求自保，對外不喪失國土，對內不被推翻政權已經很好了。
日清戦争の頃には日本は国際法遵守して文明国アピールしなきゃだったから、略奪や民間人暴行は公的に軍が禁止してたんだよなぁ。なのにNHKがわざわざこのシーンを入れたことはどう考えてもおかしい笑
ww2中、米英軍は捕虜や民間人への虐待を禁止してたけど普通に捕虜日本兵サンドバックや灰皿にしたり現地民強姦したりしてましたよね
そんなもんですよ
“Officially prohibited” - that is if you ignore the Port Arthur Massacre
那你请告诉我，旅顺大屠杀，南京大屠杀，还有巴丹死亡行军，马尼拉大屠杀是怎么回事？
とはいえ時々軍夫が大暴れしてるんですがそれは...
@@tracydavidson-hj4ghそれ太平洋戦争だろ…これ日清戦争だよ
私は中国系の家です。。私の高祖父の1925年の時から日記を書き始めて、日記には日中戦争時の日本軍への憎しみがありました。。。終戦後も大変でした
私の祖父は日中戦争に行きました。彼は人間好きであり現地の人と仲良くやっていたと母からは聞いていましたが私には戦争の
様子を話すことはなかったですし小さい頃の自分も興味は薄く自分から聞きはしませんでした。個人レベルでうまくやっていけてたとしても中国人からみれば所詮は侵略者、敵軍の兵士であり日本兵を憎む人がいても当然のことでしょう。いずれにせよ祖父から詳細を聞けなかったことは今となっては後悔しています
動画は日清戦争のものですがあの当時も日本兵の捕虜がひどい状態で発見されたとかいう話もあります。日本兵に対する憎しみは相当なものだったはずですし日中戦争もおそらくは同様のことがあったかもしれません
そしてそれを見た日本兵も中国兵に対する憎しみへとつながるわけですね
今現在も互いに不信感を抱いてるからこそ積極的に解りあおうとしないといけないと思います
憎しみはどこかで絶たないとキリがありませんから
でもご先祖様の日記にはどのような憎しみが綴られていたのか…私には想像もできませんがそれはとても大事な日記になるはずです。真実を知る一端になるかもしれませんからね
@@user-zl2vt3hl1b 我就用中文给你回复吧，为了避免英语产生歧义。
我来自山东省，就是甲午战争北洋水师军港-威海卫所在地，第二次世界大战也属于占领区。
我从小对日军的印象是冷酷无情，机械执行命令，没有人性。为了对抗游击队，屠杀了很多无辜的农民，包括我的老老奶奶。
因为政治的原因，上层或许有意阻碍两国人民和解，但中国政府也不是代表民意的政府，人民也无权向政府要求什么。我们省的人到现在还是农民居多，都很辛苦，每天为了生活奔波，或许没有那么多时间去探讨历史的真相。不过我也希望有一天 两国人民能够和解，真正能够 东亚繁荣，因为我们之间的差别还是比和欧美少了很多。我们被当作棋子的时代也该结束了
3日前に自分に返信をくれた人がいたのに通知もなかったので気づかなかったしコメントも見れなくなってしまった
貴重な意見だったのに残念だ
コメントくれた方すみません
@@user-vs6pg4fx9o 奇怪的是，我现在又可以看到你的评论，所以我想回复你。
能够了解当时的情况，对于我们这一代不了解战争的人来说，是非常宝贵的经历。
因为你可以了解一部分历史真相。
日本兵的形象仍然不好。
日本兵像占领者一样走来走去，在中国人看来绝对不好看。
同样可悲的是，还有无辜者因为被怀疑是游击队或军装士兵而失去生命，因为很难区分他们。
越南战争和阿尔及利亚战争期间也发生过类似的事情。
这是一场大屠杀，军队作为一个整体已经失去了理智。
日本和中国都可以这样说，但很多人忙于日常生活，无暇探究历史的真相，很多人对历史的看法存在偏见，有些人无法鸟瞰历史。有许多。
中国共产党的目的是控制和控制人民，而且这个运动似乎一年比一年强大。
历史不是政治用途的工具。这一点我可以说得很清楚。我们决不能允许历史被一些有权势的人在政治上利用，干扰我们的友谊。
我也希望东亚能够共同合作、共同繁荣。我情不自禁地这样想，尤其是在这个混乱的时代。
@@user-zl2vt3hl1b 我也不知道为什么评论突然看不见了，难道有人举报吗？
中共是掩盖了很多真相，把自己一直描写成受害者，包括以人民为肉盾打游击，靠苏联情报和资金打赢内战。。。
我之前想表达的意思是，我们那个地方日本元素很少，不足以引起人民对日本的思考。相比之下美国和韩国引发的讨论更多些，因为芯片科技之类。
历史真相能够引导人民的生活，包括现在也是，谎言能破坏人的逻辑，让人变得愚蠢。不过我感觉中日之间的信息差太大了，想真正的
趋同不容易，东亚共荣只是基于民族主义，区域主义的美好愿景罢了
I'm Chinese, the old man's words are very emotionally strong.
No offense Japan, what have you done?...
+videosman1234 learn some history man， first sino-Japanese war took place during qing dynasty's era， which was before the warlords period
+videosman1234 there are no warlords during that period at all， so your statement is inaccurate
+videosman1234 are you chinese，if you're not，then stfu cuz i think i know my history better
+videosman1234 can you bring evidence that warlords existed back then，if you can't，stfu and stop talking about logic，cuz if that's the case，you're nothing but a conspiracy believer
+videosman1234 oh i see where you got the warlord idea ! The chinese movie Warlords by Jet Li ! But of course you are going to deny it just to prove your superiority over chinaman...
This movie is japanese dorama "Saka no ue no kumo" 「坂の上の雲」 NHK
The Japanese forces tended to have a better reputation in the Russo-Japanese war. While looting did happen, and the Japanese did execute locals suspected of being spies or saboteurs, Japanese soldier's tended to be well disciplined. Looting was generally punished, and though it was self serving, Japanese appointed civil governors worked to improve roads and improve sanitation and overall health in their territories. Better roads would help with Japanese logistics and better sanitation and hygiene would lessen the chance of communicable diseased being passed on to Japanese soldiers. The Russians did not try to make any such improvements and Russian troops, especially the Cossacks had a reputation for murder, rape , burning and looting. No matter how the Chinese may feel nowadays, at the time, most of the locals were pro Japanese and saw them as the lesser of two evils. The Russo Japanese war 1904-1905 by Geoffrey Jukes mentions this.
开玩笑，日本和苏联是二战中纪律最差的两个国家
@@user-kp8kt5pu1w Thanks for the nonsense reply on a four year old comment about the Russo-Japanese War, "Wolf Warrior" . LOL - WWWWWWW.
Of course, there were many accounts of how the Japanese soldiers and invasion of SEA where many of them initially welcomed them as liberators since the British and Dutch treated way horribly. For a time they prospered until the 2nd period of the war (USA vs Imperial Japan) happened and people were treated more harshly as attrition severely wounded the IJA's effort.
Many of the literature aren't as popular as it didn't fit with the narrative.
Especially the British scorched earth tactics put many civilians lives at below poverty and laid the blame on the Imperial Army.
I am impressed by this video and I think the words from that Chinese old man is really mild, even a friendly comment. In face of competitions between two nations, words won't count. Only power and the power to make things right matters.
what did he say?
@@AbrahamLincoln4 "We will revenge."
why do I feel like that Old Man got more guts that some people in some offices in USA?
因为蒋介石的花園口決堤事件，河南人民与日军合作。
@@user-mr6hy1iw2v 太君大大的好
I see some people compare the massacre in first Sino-Japanese war with the Qing navy event in Nagasaki, and says Chinese are doing bad to Japanese as well, so お互い様, nothing to feel bad and Japan was fine. I mean, I'm not here only to insult Japan or critizise on Japan, but let's compare the events and see is it really the same.
Let's talk about 長崎 (Nagasaki). The Chinese sailors making trouble in a brothel after they have been drunk, the police capture the drunkers and many Chinese in the navy are uphappy about how the police treat their men. Then it finally lead to a riots of Chinese navy and they attack the police stations. The Japanese citizens are also angry with those foreign ruffians and engage in the fight. It is end up as 5 deaths, 44 injury and 5 missing in Qing navy, 2 deaths and 19 injury to Japanese police and many injury to Japanese citizens. It also lead to an anti-Chinese emotion in Japanese society and many Chinese Japanese who behave good also be implicated in this anti-Chinese emotion.
I would see it as a diplomatic disaster. I also stand for Japanese and I feel shame for those navy who don't respect local law in a foreign country. Most importantly, I also find it is stupid that The Qing Goverment actually use a tough attitude when they negotiate with Japan, and Japan end up by paying Qing goverment which is a shame for Japanese people.
However, this first sino-Japanese war is very far from "お互い様". Take a look at massacre in 旅顺 (Port Arthur massacre) that only 36 Chinese managed to survive. The Qing local defenses insult the corpse of Japanese invasion sodiers by cutting off their arms, legs and their testis. To revenge the Qing army, commanders 河野通好 and 伊瀬知好成 gave the orders to their sodiers that killing everyone except children and old. But when the order comes to performance, Women, old and even children cannot get away from it.
According to the british correspondent Frederic Villiers of "The flag daily", twenty thousand people including civilians were massacred in 4 days.
An American observer O'Brien also report the Chinese captives and civilians were killed in the massacre and he saw the amputated limbs of those corpses.
James Allan who's a British observer at the 旅顺 recorded what he saw in his book, "The Japanese sodiers were chasing and killing everyone in sight, the street is full of corpses and amputated limbs, it continuedly happening at night, shooting, screaming is everywhere" He saw that "The Japanese sodiers shoo the refuguees into a pond, then they shooting, poking and laughing. The water became red, mixed with organs, corpses and blood. A woman suriver climbing on the corpses, holding her baby and begging at Japanese, and got stabbed in the chest. Her baby was penetrated and hang up on the bayonet, being shaked as something to play with. The woman was struggling painfully and try to get her baby from that sodier while she was dying. She end up that been choped into pieces just like others."
James Creelman, an American reporter recorded "the corpses on the street are like been gnawed by the wild beasts, were badly damaged. the corpses of businessmen piled up on the side of the road. Their tear and blood were frozen"
If I am a Japanese, I would feel pity for the Chinese citizens, at least for this event. Other than "お互い様".
Actually, I am touched by this video by the first looking, as I saw the friendly intention and the willing of making peace. Even though this series didn't really facing how horrible the massacre was, it describes the impact of the war on an euphemistic way by showing how the citizens afraid of Japanese. And they have made a kind heart Japanese figure to represent the good of Japanese people, taking care of kids, reflect on war. But, I have seen many comments laughing at the going down rate of this NHK series, saying the story is fake and people are over reacting on the history.
No wonder why Japan try to cover or downplayed the even worse massacres during WWII. Because you don't care. You think like It is just what war looks like, and Japan is victim of nuclear boom, so nobody is winning, and that's it. I also feel bad for the booms in Japan, but it is not the excuse to rationalize those massacres.
Honesly, I don't want to emphasis how dark the history was, and I wish China and Japan can finally treat each other nicely, without bias. I mean the war like this only happens after Japanese modernization. China and Japan had good friendship in the previous thousands of years. Even China fought Japan for Korea for twice, the previous conflicts were never doom the civilians. We are not only all human being but also under the same roof. The Japan in our eyes was like a small China, even your culture were mostly adopted from China. So why not try to fix the scar and try to love each others like brothers and sisters from now on? Yes, I agree.
But after I have read many comments here, it makes me feel very bad. The dream of that "love each others days" could take a long way to go. Or maybe it is a unrealistic fantasy. I guess I will never forgive Japanese, same as Korean. You want to forget it, downgrade it and rationalize it. Then China and Korea will try harder to remember it, emphasis it and censure it.
Your Comment was very nice. God Bless You Brother. We all must love & respect each other.
Please shorten the comment
I'm indian, I don't like your president Xi jingping. I like your deng Xiaoping
I’m Chinese and I agree
deng xiaoping was good leader
中国人は好きになれないけど、自分の国じゃないのによその国の物資を勝手に持っていくのは酷いね。戦争だから仕方ないのかもしれないけど。
ちゃんとお金を支払うならそれは徴発という行為だけどただ奪うのは単なる略奪行為だから現地民から恨みも買って当然だと思う
この日清戦争の頃はどうかは知らないけど太平洋戦争や日中戦争では現地での「徴発」はやってたからね
日本軍は略奪ではないといってるがまっとうな対価を支払わなければ徴発とはいえない…実際はどうだったのか
原爆落とされて戦争だから仕方ねえな…
悪質だねぇ、NHK。
坂の上の雲にこんな場面は無かったろうに。
さっさと解散しろ。
坂の上の雲自体ドラマはすごく良かったけどな
😅侵略者である日本軍がこんなことやらかしてもおかしくないだろ、そんなに侵略行為を認めたくないのか、日本人は。
@@user-nc3yv2ce6q
ちゃんと原作を読みましょう。
原作を読んでから反論しましょう。
字が読めないなら無理にとは言わないが。
@@myself5847
それだけに残念だし腹も立ちます。
@@user-we7jd3zv7f原作も創作ですけど
国民からむしり取った受信料で作ったドラマがこれかぁ…。
原作に全くないシーンを追加するなんてさすが
原作に無くとも歴史に有り
@@koko-ps2kq反日たのちい？
当時、このシーン違和感あって、一緒にた見ていた祖父の向こうの国に配慮したな、という言葉が忘れられません。
そんな一部のエピソードぶち撒けられてもねえ…
浅いセリフだなあ
お前の爺さん笑
@@SirHumphryDavy1shill
2:31 レオ曹長の眼差しが優しすぎる
Japan. I. India.
@@ambujmvjpgbkuygmhguuhjha8870india shit
NHKさん、よくこんなシーンを創作するね～ 当時、日本は新参者で西洋列強に認められたくて、万国公法の順守を徹底していた。現地調達に対しては対価保証を徹底していたよ・・・日露戦争時も同様だ・・
@Le Chen Japanese killed 500 million chinese people by Nanking Massacre！
なにお前嘘付いちゃってるの？お前にコメントしてる中国人に対して、土下座してる写真を貼って、謝れ！日本人は南京大虐殺で、中国人を5億人殺したことをな！
@@poop_making_machine ネタコメでも5億人殺したって大丈夫ですかね？
中国側が30万人殺されたって主張をしているのも怪しいって言われてるのにそれは()
ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/旅順虐殺事件
@@poop_making_machine 南京大虐殺では資料によって20万人や25万人30万人45万人とバラバラですので、残念ながら5億人は当時の中国の総人口位いますよ？わざわざ20万人しか居ない南京に4億9980万人も連れ込むのですか？
No one - auto generated subtitles: 🇵🇹
徴発じゃなくて略奪のシーン。当時、日本軍より自国の清軍の方が略奪が酷かったと戦記には書いてあるけど、日本軍も輜重(輸送)で失敗してて物資が滞ってたらしいから、部隊によっては略奪していただろうね。ちゃんとした日本部隊は銀貨で支払っていたらしい。
原作にもない、ウソのシーンを混ぜて折角の大作も台無しですね、だからNHKはダメなのです。
China remembers. That’s why Japan is so afraid of china’s rise
Oy vey shut up
自分の国を守ることができなかったらどんな国でもこういった目に合うんだよな。
I can’t believe the Japanese would do such a thing
Do you know 731 army in China?
IMPERIAL JAPAN WAS A DIFFERENT ERA
Many armies behaved this way
But this is nothing compared to what Japan did in round 2
Do you know laidaihan?
Every country has a past that I want to forget
-みゆひMiyuhi you suck imperial japan sucks good thing you guys got cities bombed
原作に無いシーンらしいね
史実かどうかは置いといて原作に無い悪意のあるシーンを入れるのは単純にドラマとしてどうかと思う
事実のあるシーンを入れて何が悪いんだ？
可怜的家伙，忘记自己的历史😅
@@daihuku494外国の戦場記者も同行してた当時の日本軍が略奪なんかするわけないだろ
パヨクの自虐史観も大概にしろ
司馬さんこんな風に再現されてかわいそうだな
全く同感。
ヤツは教師崩れの左翼だからな
だから、生前は、映像化には反対だったんだろうな。
Thanks to Chiangkai Shek China gave the Imperial army a can of whoop ass.
and thanks to Chiang Kai Shek for the people's suffering -_-
@Hawaiian Monk Seal yes lol, they are the reason why Nanjing massacre happened
The Chinese had a big problem with a decaying monarchic government, badly surpassed and overwhelmed by the Western colonialist newcomers, and to worsen matters, the Qing reigning dynasty at the end of nineteen century was failing in modernizing and assimilating the intruders overseas' scientific, technical and socio-political achievements.
Japan, not less untrusful about strangers then, however had been more eclectic and pragmatic, and reacted most energetically in the correction of their vulnerabilities respect to the West powers, studying dilligently how the gaijin did things.
So, the Chinese were too weak and ill prepared when confronted Japanese for their disputes with the later about the Korean affairs.
Xinhai revelotion it's only choices that make china survive from the european powers. that why we need sun-yet-sen and the tongmenghui members.
They were really corrupt
Imperial Japan corruption became more prevalent after the initial invasion during the later stages of war. Many of the officers that "liberated" many parts of Asia are either pulled out or assassinated as the Right-Wing movement became more radical.
The parliamentary decision to wage war against the U.S. because of their overconfidence in their victory against USSR, British, French was their sole downfall as they believed their might would last long. During those 8 years having SEA under their grasps, the last 3-4 years were cruel as attrition wounded their efforts in the pacific theather.
To sum it up, similar to how the Qing Dynasty fail the point is: politics matter.
やったことは自分にいつか跳ね返る。
日本も反省してやってはいけない事に気づいて愛される国になっていくように願います。
They already said sorry many times, they already know what they did.
やってねぇ事で跳ね返される覚えはねぇぞ
@@user-ww2je9tx6p おいくつですか？
やってないって。
貴方がやってないだけの事だと思いますが
@@spicy_overkill_2294 ごめんなさい。英語解らなくて。
as someone born with chinese parents, watches anime, and has taken one portuguese language class at school, I have no idea still what they are all saying. hahaha i vaguely pick up some bits though
可憐
@@user-vv8zb6og2u dont worry, im not a mainlander weeb. sa pinas, gun e-hiau kong ya tsue pat-le linggwahe. nihonggo mostly para sa mga weebs hahaha
@@xXxSkyViperxXx lu gong hokkien -ue?
@@carnival5925 to-si--ah. gua le-kong hokkien-ue, tui huilippin
@@xXxSkyViperxXx gua si ing-ni lang (indonesia) be hiau gong hokkien ue m-si hokkien lang
Chinese were always the strongest in Asia first before Japan came in. Chinese people always worked the hardest no matter what difficulties they came to. Once China was weakened all the Western and Japanese forces came but the Chinese spirit and Chinese family never died. I am really proud to be Chinese.
中国がアジアで最も強いってw阿片戦争に負けた時点で強いとは言えない
中国が弱かったせいでアジアは西欧諸国に蹂躙され大日本帝国が誕生したんだよ
君らはアジアの覇権国の器ではなかったということ
五胡十六国から漢民族じゃない。
何度も侵略されてきた歴史があるやんけ。そもそも最後の清さえ漢民族ですらない。
The strongest power of Kaum Han is they could assimilate other kaum
漢民族は異民族、西洋列強、
大日本帝国に
連戦連敗です。
I was surprised at the fact that despite these things are weakly expressed because it is a drama, Many Japanese think it is exaggerated. I hope they face this uncomfortable truth and accept it. Not just a line in a history textbook.
Well the truth is... They removed it.
You see in their history class, it never mentioned their Warcrimes. Even Comfort Women thing you have in Korea doesn't mention it along with All crimes in Asia.
@@PerryKobalt The government is really to blame, here in my country the Philippines we were about to build a comfort woman shrine, but the Japanese government demanded to not do so.
Koreans should also recognize that Koreans have also hired American workers to invade Vietnam, my country, why Koreans don't apologize, Koreans and Chinese when making movies about Japan, they only talk bad about their country, Koreans are mean and like to be racist against other Asian countries,
Haha "Jerry" says I'm in mainland.""
Do not run off scared～ Coward Jerry
lmao
the first english comment i found
The look on the Journalist trying to comfort the chinese Child Right after the soldier Hit his Old Gramps with the rifle explains so much how he didn't wanted it to happened that way, He'd Prob thought civilians will be treated fairly.
The oath that the Chinese made finally came true within 50 years when the Japanese was defeated in 1945. The Chinese had fought the Japanese throughout the Second Sino-Japanese War despite being ill-equiped and ill-trained. The Japanese was naive to think that the Chinese would surrender after suffering several major defeats but the Chinese people had become more united and determined to drive the Japanese invaders and were willing to sacrifice their own lives to protect their homeland and families.
Bitch please... China never Japan defeated Japan. It was the allied forces in pacific that did 99.99% of the job.
Daniell Buddy China also played an important role during the Second World War. More than a million Japanese soldiers were sent to conquer China. Despite suffering many defeats and high casulty rate, the Chinese refused to surrender and continue to resist them. Because of that, the Japanese military was unable to transfer soldiers to areas in the pacific where reinforcements were badly needed. All the atrocities commited by the Japanese had hardened the hearts and minds of the Chinese people never to surrender and fight to the death.
MrLantean China is big and Japan did not have enough material and manpower to complete their occupation. Without allied supplies, the chinese nationalistic government would of collapsed quickly it was just the matter of time.
Daniell Buddy Despite sending more than a million soldiers to conquer and occupy China, it was impossible to garrison soldiers in every captured Chinese teritories. The Japanese created a collaborationist or puppet government at Nanjing with Wang Jingwei as head of state. Captured Kuomintang territories would placed under the puppet state, freeing large numbers of Japanese soldiers to continue their conquest of China. The Japanese even sent agents to meet with leaders of various ethnic minorities in attempt to win their support but with little success. From 1937 to 1941, China was able to halt Japanese advances despite receiving little supplies. There were no sign of collapsing for the Kuomintang. Even the armies of the collaborationist government simply defected or surrendered to the Kuomintang during military engagements. Japan's war with the United States had lift some of the pressures from China as Japan was forced to divert resources and manpower to protect their possesions in the Pacific.
Japan's war with the United States had lift ALOT of the pressures from China. the japanese simply did not have enough manpower to finish their jobs and surely Kuomintang militaries halted some japanese advances but with massive casualties. If the pacific war didnt happen and Japan had enough resources that they needed they would be able to eliminate entire Kuomintang military. The japanese military was still able to hold their occupied territories untill the end of ww2 remember? And they were were even capturing some new territories in southern parts of China while losing in the pacific theater.
This is fiction, I am very sorry as a Japanese,
李為豪 no real
This evil depiction of Japan is fantasy.
@@popopopooo1453 nope fantasy
Fiction?? No, it is fucking history
You make me hate u even more,this is history.
I am a Malaysian.
My grandparents said he knows how to speak Japanese, but that is a disgrace of him.
So he never use Japanese communicate with others even my cousin married with a Japanese wife.
If somebody forgot the history, don't worry, we will note it down, maybe you will need it in future.
Hope that no war in future unless we forced to have one.
Yoi,GG lu
はぜ英語を話すことも恥だと思わない？
日本による数年の略奪とイギリスによる100年の略奪はどちらもマレーシアの発展を阻害する原因であっただろう
まず君らのダブルスタンダードを解消しない限りは先進国になれないよ
I love Japan.
Walter Dean いえす！
Learn some history and you will see the war crime Japanese people have done, and you won’t like them so much any more
Jim J Free Tibet
@@fjin1 TaiWan No.1
Walter Dean Japan deserved the nuke
？？？戦争なんだから多少の略奪は防ぎようがないんじゃないのか？どこの国だって同じようなことやってるだろ。中国人も日本人も過剰反応しすぎ。
日本が中国に配慮してこのシーンを入れたというのなら俺はその思いやりを誇りたい
配慮など一切不要。
理不尽な要求をしているチンピラに譲歩なんてすれば、つけ入って何回もタカりにくるだけ。
損をして事態を悪くするだけで感謝なんてされないよ。
@@user-fi6uv8sh5y さん、中国人の我々日本人への憎しみは未だ消えぬものとみています。日本の帝国軍人たちが極悪非道を繰り返していたのならば憎悪を感じられてもおかしくないでしょう…
@@user-jc8ju5dx5f
事実では無いことを喧伝するのは違います。こうした嘘で恨まれるのはお門違いです。
例えば中国が喧伝している南京事件は国民党の情報工作が起源であり写真や存在しているはずの遺体、被害者名の記録は一切ありませんし、諸外国の記者の取材記録も存在しません。
731部隊の人体実験も日本共産党の機関紙に連載されていた嘘小説が元ネタであり、もちろん根拠などはありません。
@@user-fi6uv8sh5y 嘘だと思い込んでるあたりがもう怪しい
@@user-gl9tx58qmdf7p
嘘だと思い込んでる？
この動画の事ならば、原作に無い描写で、かなりいい加減なものだぞ。
コメントに記した中国の歴史捏造の件なら、元々の話の出典や根拠を提示して発言しているんだが。
俺の発言が疑わしいなら軽くググってみ？
客観的事実しか述べて無いぞ。
“這個村。。。這個村，這個村已經什麼都沒有了！糧食，牛，豬，酒，都被你們搶光了！你說，啊呀，你說讓我們吃什麼了？！這個孩子的父母都被你們給殺死了！總有一天，這個孩子想報仇的！報仇！走！“
明治の陸軍と昭和の陸軍の違いを書きたかった司馬遼太郎さんはこんな描写をしていません。原作にはありません。
脚本の野島さんが謎の自殺をした原因だと思います。
きっとNHKや訳の分からん勢力からこの描写を強要されたのでしょう。
憶測の域を出ませんが…
憶測やな
Let me speak about history of China, and its neighbour countries.
China was the most of advanced kingdom in the world through the ancient time of civilisation meanwhile Egyptians were building ancient pyramid. Many inventors created unique items and things such as tea, gunpowder, vehicles and so on where they came at the first place of China. The Japanese was also descended from Chinese as well. (And please, it is a fact of DNA of Japanese ancestors that show a similarity to Chinese ancestors one according the scientist reseach ) Before the people who called themselves Japanese first, they were Jomon people who were isolated in Japan islands for many centuries. Next story, they developed themselves into a society in their island of Japan through a few periods of Japanese Dynasties to form Rising Sun, 日本.
China was formed in ancient time of first Chinese dynasty, Xia dynasty until the last dynasty which was Qing dynasty. Qing dynasty was obviously weakened by many western powers such as Germany, Great Britain, Russia and so on. This is because they wanted to thieve more rich resources from China through their colonisation. So China was broken down influentially into many pieces of states which controlled by different rulers or warlords. And then Japan will take this opportunity to conquer China steadily that occurred first Sino-Japanese war from 1894 to 1985. Thus, the result was Taiwan and some minor of islands near China was ceded to Japan. Later on, Korea was annexed.
When republic of China was discovered by a nationalist party, Kuomintang which dictated by Song Jiao ren and Sun Yat Sen at first in 1919, He, Yat Sen wanted to unite all China to become nationalist country but not whole china and certain parts of china. Communism ideology became viral in society of China because a lot of Chinese people were struggled from famine and thought manifestos of communism can abolish poverty, unite all China and equalise society and labours . During progress of unification of China done by Kuomintang, civil war between communist and nationalist was too furious. Therefore, Japan also take that occasion to invade Manchuria in 1931 for absorbing more resources to expand its military forces. Afterward, Japan started to invade rest of China from 1937 to 1945. World war 2 had been ended in China but not civil war, both of these political parties fought each other until Communists took over the whole China and united them into People's republic of China. However, Kuomintang fled to Taiwan.
Moral of the story to Japanese and other westerners, think for your country before all of you awake a dragon of middle kingdom that could really dominate you in the destiny. Now China is growing up. :) So be friendly with the Chinese in appropriate way.
Don't talk nonsense.According to Scientists, japanese DNA are very different from Chinese. japanese are not Chinese. Thats is why japanese men look like monsters ,and japanese are perverted & like to film pornagraphy.
Sir, as a Chinese lemme spit some facts on you.
Japanese may have borrowed its language and culture and have their own adaptation of Chinese Customs and Language but you telling us Japanese are Ethnically Chinese is just a flat out Chinese "Nationalistic" lie. It's like saying Malays from Malaysia are Arabs because they adopted Islam. They are classified as Japonic and has yet to be determined where and what is their origin.
Second, Communism is wide spread not because people like Communism.
Communist Party of China managed to take over China because they let Chiang Kai Shek and the KMT fight the Japanese during the Second Sino- Japanese War while the Communist hid up north and contribute very little and the KMT suffered heavy casualties and the people of China were so naive of Communist Propaganda and they let themselves into switching sides which let to the end of the Nanjing Decade. Thus the KMT fled to Taiwan.
The moral of the story ZhongXina, read some actual history books and don't just read shit from random Wikipedia page. Don't fall for Communist Propaganda and pretend like you know shit.
鬼の役に森本レオをキャスティングした人マジで素晴らしい
全く適任
業が深いコメント欄
Why does the officer have his sword tucked away Western style
Just a reminder that this drama isn't made by the Japanese!
@@richmondlandersenfells2238日本製(NHK)ですけど...
First Sino-Japanese War
1894
🇯🇵 Japanese Empire
🇨🇳 Qing Empire
原作にこのシーンがあろうとなかろうと、歴史的にこのようなことがあったことは否定できないことが分からない人がいるなぁ
司馬遼太郎が否定している＝実際にあったとは考えられない
とはならない
そもそも、司馬遼太郎の歴史観を無批判に信じることができないことは少し勉強したら分かることなのになぁ
and now this is really happen...
Uighurs...
クッソ日本が悪役にされてて草生える
+金正恩 北朝鮮「解せぬ」
おそらく日本が作った事に対してなんだろうけど海外じゃあこんなもんじゃ可愛いレベルだよ
これが本当だったかはそれはそれとして、コメント欄を開いたことを後悔した。
これはドラマであるから鵜呑みにせずに色々調べればいいのに右も左も気持ちの悪い主張しかしていないのがなんとも。
この手の動画はそんな感じのコメントばかりですよ…
0:24 was it really a katana or was it supposed to be a western inspired sabre Kyu gunto?
基本的に西洋のサーベルの場合が多いです。
ですが、刀身だけ日本刀にする場合があります。
@@FUJI-HYOHE family heirloom? Different fittings?
@@richmondlandersenfells2238 Sometimes family heirlooms are used.
Only the blade part will be replaced with an heirloom sword.
I'm using Google Translate.sry
@@richmondlandersenfells2238 However, only families whose ancestors had been samurai for generations could be exchanged.
Again we see the sadness of war. The Japanese had done bad things, as did the Germans done, and the Americans did to the Native Americans. Today Japan many may not learn much about the war, but many do feel shame of it.
And Chinese to Uyghurs
@@siyacer it’s quite a sad reality, yet quite a lot of Chinese don’t agree with the government about all these crimes; hence the protests which started after a family of Uyghurs were burnt to death, including a child who had never seen the outside world.
Muh holocaust
悲しいけど、これが戦争なのよね
I'm sorry about the fire bombing of Tokyo and the nuclear bombs that destroyed Nagasaki and Hiroshima, but this is war
@@Querian Yah,your insulating Joke is not GOOD. If there were strong Military troops in your Country's History,maybe that would do same like this seen.Sadnessly Japan had been Pretty strong Military and economy in our History.Japan will be definintly world power someday such as Soviet Union.Nationl length is Rising up and down in History.
これは嘘だと思うけど少なからず悪い日本人はいたと思うゾ
Japan has a long list of war crimes and crimes against humanity before 1945. Considering all the evidence of their treatment of American POWs, it is very likely that they committed the acts that they deny. Mass killings of civilians, r4ping of women and children, looting. There is an infamous photo of an infant on the end of a Japanese soldier's bayonet that was used in Japanese newspapers as propaganda.
Japan is very different today but their government still denies most of their war crimes and refuses to teach about it like how the Germans would about the Holocaust. They still have monuments that honour those war criminals too...
こうゆうことは絶対にあった。
虐殺も多かれ少なかれあった。
レイプも絶対にあった。
結局何があっても戦争を仕掛けたのは日本、それは変えようのない事実。
もちろん日本人は反省しなくてはならない。
結局何が言いたいのかというと戦争は悲惨で残虐なものということ。
これらの歴史をふまえて今、世界はどう前に進まなくてはいけないのかを考えることこれがないより大切です。
Part of the reason for the invasion was because of Russia's invasion from the West. The Qing dynasty asked Japanese emperor to help take back land but in return Japanese were allowed to develop the area. The promise was broken and things got complicated. The Qing was responsible for much of the destruction.
在歷史上任意的戰爭之中，軍隊對平民的暴行應該都存在吧。我想劇作者是想通過這樣的場景讓日本對儘管已經勝利的戰爭進行額外的反思，因為畢竟戰爭是給所有人造成災難的事物。
これは坂の上の雲の一部を抜いているものである。半日に満ちている。
日本のドラマがなぜこう言う描写をするのか？理解する中国人が少なそうに見えるのが残念。
現代の日本人がこんなシーンを見て気分がいいとでも思うのか？
原作と違う、史実と違うと言う日本人の意見はあるが、ドラマ制作者としては戦争を肯定するような表現は避けたかったからこういうシーンを加えたのではないですか？中国の抗日ドラマとは違うんです。
刀の差しからいってこの映画はフィクションだな
そりゃフィクションでしょうよ
事実と意見の区別のつかない馬鹿
ストライクウィッチーズの坂本少佐みたいな刀のかつぎ方で草
日本軍は現地調達を行うのが基本みたいなところもあったからやってそう
日本軍は一切戦争犯罪を行なっていない！と言いたいわけではないが、原作に存在しないこのようなシーンを勝手に追加することになんの意味があるんだろうか。中国への配慮？
背中に日本刀背負ってんのおかしくない？
サーベルの刀身を日本刀にしていた士官は居たらしいが
結局、中国人から何も奪ってなくて草。中国人と違って略奪しない日本人
その後第二次世界大戦中に、満州で暮らす中国人たちは土地を奪われてしまいましたけどね…
又在这里胡说八道
2:53 > 2:58
"I'm going to die in prison beyond the goal and see the world"
- TH-cam Auto-translate
本当にありがとう、日本人様って言ってるよ
アメリカは広島で原爆してよかった! 原爆した後日本人はアメリカありがとうと言っていました
@@michiokawashima1153 chinese thanked their government after they killed many students at Tiananmen Square.
300多年前没入明国土地，而今还是踏入清国土地
コメ欄おもしろすぎ
コメ欄にいる連中よ。
このシーンが何で叩かれてるかわかるか？
史実云々関係なく、
ドラマの場面としては
作品の質を落とすだけの
「面白くないシーン」だからだよ｡
ハリウッド映画と同じ。
見てくれと構成がよかったら、
史実に忠実であろうとなかろうと関係ない
これ信じてる奴居るの？w
I understand the old man but I don't agree with him. We can't earn anything from an infinite cycle of vengence and hatred. It is crazy to hate someone just because our homelands lie hundreds of kilometers apart from each other. Or those atrocities which had taken place more than a half century ago.
We should stop this madness.
All of us.
@Jeffrey Lin
Well, of course it is true that modern Japan tends to conceal and disguise its dark past. And I'm nowhere near pro-Japanese as I'm Korean and my country also has many issues with them. But, as far as I know, it is not Japanese government but only a bunch of far-right politicians who are denying historical crimes of Imperial Japan. Japanese government does not deny that they have started the war, they have killed many people in the war, and they deserved to be defeated in that war. While this is definitely insufficient considering the enormous number of wartime crimes in the last century, I believe that we can at least postpone our blind hatred and try to persuade them to step forward.
Japan should apologize, China was mainly just trying to protect herself, it was the americans who dropped the nukes, so America has to apologize too, and the Japanese people can apologize for the massacre, why can the government as well?
@@aquagaming8749 Cos the Government was Cult Infiltrated one. The Leader of the cult is responsible for denying war crimes for a "Happier Japan". They were parodied in Shin Kamen Rider as new SHOCKER.
(Secret Organisations that seeks happiness through Questionable means)
one jpaan guy was nice
怨怨相报，没完，只能寄希望于双方现任政府的道歉和未来的和平了，愿日中友好吧
@ごーや 多分こういう教育受けてるんだろうな
我不赞同他的思想，我非常希望中国和日本两国，再次发起战争 ，我认为这个仇是一定要报的，我感觉只有1.2亿人口的日本还没有核武器的国家是无法挡住14亿国家的中国的政府的
人類史、最後の戦争は略奪された民が怒りくるう戦いになるだろうな
日清戦争とかいうカスとカスのロイヤルゲーム好き
The past is the past. We must forget it.
Let bygones be bygones
世界各国の戦争に勝った国法ほとんど同じでしょう。現代の軍であるロシア軍もそうだった。可視化しただけで、今まで人類が読もうとしなかった歴史が演じられただけ。
元寇の復讐と言えば納得するのかね。
一応中国もモンゴルの被害者やで...
まあ元寇には中国人兵士も多数参戦してたけど(というか駆り出されてた)
实际上，河南人民与日军合作。花園口決堤事件^0^抗華英雄蒋介石
コメ欄：人種差別主義者たちの戦い
What is that journalist trying to say to the Japanese general at 2:50?
Journalist: What was the grandpa saying just now?
Sergeant: He was... showing his "gratitude" towards the Japanese army...
Journalist: No way... That old man seemed pretty angry, right?
Sergeant:......
この夜、記者さんは徴発した酒を一杯飲んで女の髪を引っ張り記事になります😅
流石に盛り過ぎであるが、まぁ完全に無かったとは言えない。戦争にこう言うのは必ずついて回る。それは古代から現代まで変わらない。
本当の歴史とは全く違う
そうです、同感です、
事実がひとつとは限らない
日本兵が規律正しく礼節を持った軍隊だと言うのも事実のひとつ。
日本兵が占領地で働いた残虐な蛮行も事実のひとつ。
全ての事実が大元の歴史の断片。
One day.... Japan will face a worse fate. What goes around comes around.
中国の抗日映画かと思ったら日本のドラマじゃん！
森本レオに香川照之………
最近のやつ？
いつあったなんていうタイトル？
司馬遼太郎原作の「坂の上の雲」日清、日露戦争の時代のお話です。
ただ、原作にこのようなシーンはないので、当時問題になりました。
当時の日本は欧米列強に「文明国」であることを知らしめるために国際法の遵守が徹底されており、略奪行為は一切なかった。と原作では書いてあります。
まぁ実際のところはなんとも言えないですが…ただ大規模な略奪はなかったというのは事実でしょう。
@@user-iz1wi1he4v あったとしてもこんな映像化するほど甚大なものではないのは確か
@@SirHumphryDavy1 私もこの頃の帝国陸軍がこんな形での略奪はなかったと思います。
ただ一つ言えることは、ドラマにこの描写は必要ないですね。後の伏線とかでもないので…これに尺をとるんだったら陸軍の戦いをもう少し詳しくドラマでやってほしかったです。
全体的な出来はいいんですけどね。流石はNHKと言われる程の予算のかけ方。(褒め言葉です。)
日清戦争当時現地調達なんてしてなかったはず、ちゃんと輜重隊いるし、日中戦争最初当時も補給はしてたぞ？衛生面からも無理だぞ、兵隊が腹下して誰が責任とるんだ？
徴発だ、略奪だ言うけど、補給レベルじゃ無謀な話。やってたとすれば私的な「戦争犯罪」むしろ金持ち襲って金目の物奪った描写のほうがリアル。
在司马辽太郎先生的笔下，明治时期是个充满乐观主义昂扬向上的时代，但在这样一个大踏步发展的黄金时期日本国内却燃起了军国主义的第一丝火，也许那时火苗尚且轻微，但终究最后会引燃整个亚洲，包括日本自己
这个片子本身也说道了日清战争是对人同种，文字同源的邻居开战会打开百年的仇恨。。但我个人对日清战争没有任何感情。。但是在稍后的国民革命中，日本本来有机会帮助中国，建立长久友好关系，但日本却对中国开战。日本国内当时想通过经济和文化援助扶助中国的力量最后被压制，非常可惜。确实以后中国很有可能会报仇。。也许不可避免的事情终究不可避免。。希望双方能够共同前进。。
@@YanLi1121 并不是像很多人想的那么简单。其实主张支持中国的亚细亚主义从来很大程度上就是和军国主义互通的，比较有名的早期支持孙文革命的黑龙会，最著名的国家主义者北一辉和石原莞尔哪个不是提倡中日友好，日本政府二战时的叙事也都是支援中国现代化。问题的关键是，推动境外现代化和国家政策一旦结合就变成帝国主义和殖民主义。不是日本国内的友好力量被压制了，是日本以现代化程度高形成的傲慢和自负使其轻视中国逐渐高涨的自我独立意识。
每个人都充满了知识，我学到了很多！
How can China be friendly when they want to annex Japanese islands? And constantly threat Okinawa?
@@cecilehonda2234 is youtube, twitter, Google, Facebook, banned in china?
Lie
The punishment that the plunder is severe
I am a grandchild of the officers
正史であることは間違いないだろうけど、司馬氏が表現したいものではないと思う。