Build Your Deck 5X Faster and Easier | TREX Composite Deck
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- Today we're building a ground level deck using the CAMO block system, pressure treated joists and Trex deck boards. This is a very straight forward project that anyone can tackle, the CAMO system makes your composite deck build faster and easier - its perfect for the DIYer. Cheers! Watch the entire series 👉🏼 / playlist list=PL34cQkzKfXWZjAohJEWQ4WD6LUXxH904u
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13:58 Sealing Cuts in Pressure Treated Wood
15:04 Deck Joists
37:58 Applying Butyl Joist Tape
42:07 I Made a Mistake
44:22 Installing TREX Deck Using the CAMO System
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When it comes to the joist tape that black sticky stuff why not pre-cut it 8 ft length or a little bit extra and then cut it off at the end start up by the edge of the house siding and work your way down to the end of the deck and cut off the extra
lol you never start ur first deck bord at the house end with the fuck ur cut off at the end gonna look like so you just add on to the deck lol ...never let this guy build ur deck
An old builder taught me to use 6" tarpaper strips on the top of each joist. The decking holds it down and it sheds water . I replaced a deck he built after 50 years and the joists were like brand new! They still had the ink stamps on them!
I all ways use strips of flashing
Yes! Tar paper is.MUCH cheaper than butyl, but lasts just as well. Pretty much.
I just watched this video at 2X speed. I'm ready to build my deck 10X Faster! I should be done in about 10 mins.
Imagine what you could do if you watched it at 4x
@@liquinas😂😂😂
I've watched u for years not only do I appreciate ur knowledge but I respect the living hell outta ur honesty....THANK U for being real
I appreciate that
One man's knowledge is another man's lies. Whatever floats your boat. Nothing you do is going to get you three to four dollars return on the dollar in value lol.
I always start laying my deck board from the outer edge and work my way into the house that way my rip board is at the house but every builder's different Cheers
If you can lay them out ahead of time and know that you will have a decent size piece against the house that idea works well… But I’ve seen many times where people get to the house and they have a one or 2 inch strip and it doesn’t go well
Well if you can do simple basic highschool math, you can calculate how much board you'll need to cover the deck, and then make the deck the correct size from the beginning, so you have no cut-off anywhere. But math is scary, I guess?
That's a great tip. Simplest way to hide it
I agree, I would Rip the board closest to the house as well.
But not only that, I would have purchased all the materials needed and adjust the framing especially when it comes to the width (or length, depending on what you want to call it) That depends on what style of edge you are looking to achieve.
I wouldn't have started framing without that Fascia.
You can also let your joists run "wild", and cut them towards the end of laying your decking. You can add blocking about 3/4 of the way to edge of joists, to keep things square, being as you wont install the rim joist until towards the very end. (Last few rows of decking). Or if you have a beam towards the end of the deck, that can get things square as well. Very similar to how framers cut the rafter tails for fascia, when building a house. Not my favorite way of doing it, but you can ensure full pieces this way as well with no rips.
Been running with Jeff’s technique for multiple builds. Enough I started a handyman business! People always ask how I know how to do the things I can do! We’ll honestly I watch TH-cam, so i try it on my personal homes and then take the skills to the business. But remember never make your customers your test subjects! Know, before you share.
I super appreciate how you keep in all the times you make a mistake. Not only is it nice to remind myself that even sometimes the pros screw up, but it's super helpful to see how you double check measurements and approach fixing the inaccuracies.
I’ve watched your previous deck videos to the point I was able to build my own 24x16 deck that came out great and I still find myself watching this entire thing.
I have to say I really appreciate you going through the process, including the foibles, mistakes and frustrations. So many building shows make it look so easy. But everytime there's something...and you need to figure it out.
Gotta check out Gtape for joist tape. The 3035 even comes without the backing paper. You can even peel it off itself when you inevitably fold it over. You don't have to throw that bit out.
That's a good tip! Thank you!
I love watching you on any project, you're a good teacher and I learn a lot....that being said...the camera angles were not very good when it came to zooming in to see what you were talking about...teaching as though we have never built a deck before. Like the 3,4,5 method? What did you use on the raw edges of the treated wood? Mainly zooming in to actually see what you were talking about. But I do enjoy your videos.
1:08:32 Easy, change the angle from a 45 to what you can use and make the cuts. If it works out to be 35 on the deck, you need a 55 for the side. The outside seam will look identical.
I don't get why he did what he did. If he had done regular 45 to 45 joint all it would do is lift the vertical pieces 1/4 inch. His top boards were not too short, it is his side boards he seems to have cut short.
I like it because when he makes mistakes he shows them
8:00 "Twelve-foot lumber" runs long because otherwise you'd wind up short after making a few cross cuts. The saw kerf eats up some of that extra inch. It's a good thing.
There is no 0 maintenance.
There is low maintenance.
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I have a composit deck with waterproofing and patio under it - I still have to wash it once a while, and use some car care products to make it shine and remove scratches.
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The one downside of composit - its getting hot as hell during summer days 😂
That is why we frame 12" O/C. Cheers try installing a sun shade!
I’ve never had a problem with my composite debt getting hot any worse than a wood deck.
The problem with composite overtime especially with 5/4 boards is that it will sag so 12 inch center is a must
I moved 7 years ago and after the first summer, I actually tore up the composite decking because it was so hot on our feet. I replaced it with wood and the wife and I have loved it ever since. A deck you can't use is not worthwhile.
Great video, thanks!
P.S. I used the Camo system also and it was so easy to use. No visible fasteners. It was their other system that uses the tool that looks like a stapler.
He got paid and moved on, he doesnt care
@@gmscott9319 I have used composite. it fades, warps and is hot. Would not recommend.
Jeff, you’re one lovable Canuck. I’ve watched several of your tutorials and you never waste my time. May your channel continue to soar upward with increasing popularity! Thanx for so many good tips along the way. 👍
I keep learning things from your videos. Carpenter pencils are 1/2 & 1/4 for spacing!??! Fantastic tidbit I somehow never knew. Thx
This makes me feel like my redos of past projects was not unusual, even for a woman with no training except for youtube videos! I’m not the klutz I thought!
** The reason 12ft lumber is more that 12-ft is twofold. Shrinkage _and_ so you can cut it (1/8 inch is lost due to the width of the saw blade) into several shorter pieces and still get say... four, 3-ft boards. :)
1. Shrinkage.
2. So you can cut the ends off perfectly square.
I'm remodeling my home, currently painting. For paint I went with Benjamin Moore's top shelf paint that costs almost a hundred a gallon to non-contractors. Expensive, but I've worked with many different paint manufacturers over the years, and nothing works as well as a top shelf paint from BM or Sherwin Williams (BM has the best colors out of them all). Easier application, easier clean-up, less set-up in the brush (longer brush life), faster clean up with just soap & water (no petroleum solvents), and longer lasting paint life. 10 years later and a top shelf paint still looks new, except for whatever dings you've made... cheaper materials are harder to work with, take longer to work with, and tend to yield lesser results than quality materials. This is what we Architects call the "Life Cycle Cost" of a material. It may be cheap in the beginning, but in the long run you'll spend more in repairs and maintenance, replacing rot, etc.
I have cleaned many wood decks and fence in Ohio. I didn’t use a pressure cleaner but used a brush , not as stiff , WITHOUT HANDLE and a SPONGE! That stick keeps u from getting in corners. And u have to stand back which wears out your arms more. U could have used the small piece u cut off to do corners. I got down and dirty .
Only thing about staining or painting is that if u do use a pressure cleaner later when it gets dirty again is that some of the paint or stain chips off.
You’re right, we are in Fl now and there was only a cement back patio so my then husband had recycled wood put in. After so many years he had it painted a redwood color instead of staining. There is a drain but the water didn’t flow that way so last year (he died a few yrs ago) I had someone put in a new drain but the water is still sitting not even in that area.
The wood is dipping and weak in one big area from the water sitting there. I think that joint tape sounds like an excellent idea. Well now it’s up to me to figure out what to do. I imagine I would have to get a whole new deck . It’s actually the floor of a screened in patio. We were in construction “roofing” and everyone knows a guy who knows a guy , but I don’t and it’s very difficult here to get ethical people who are good and take pride in what they do and charge the most.
In Ohio of course years ago, we never hired anyone for anything and figured it all out ourselves with our Dads help & guys learned that way. No one wants to do any physical lanor or most weren’t taught or just watched their parents!
Soon , we’ll have a lot of college educated poor people who don’t know and traits! I see it now just like you mentioned how materials and supplies are made now . I call them throwaways so you’re always spending money buying something more INNOVATIVE, lol which is worse. Thank you as I learned a lot and I hope maybe you did also 😊 Gail
The lumber is longer on purpose so you can make a straight 90 edge. Same for floor joists
There is a screw called FastenMaster Cortex. It doesn't require pre-drilling and it has a bit that bores out a perfect hole for a plug that matches the board while driving the screw. They sell plugs that match Trek and other composite brands as well. That would be great for the areas where you have to face screw.
agreed if I had time to order them in. Cheers!
Rebuilt my parents deck on my own with Camo and Trex. I found out about Camo from you years back and they love it. Cheers!
Cheers Logan!
I like the screws too. Gotta love how Jeff throws the board over hi knee and cuts it. How about a hidden joist hanger for the end joists?
Yeah, that throw the board over the knee and cut with a circular saw technique....had me sucking in my breath. Kids, don't try this at home. ;)
@@sherip1270me too. Safety is not a concern of his. I just about $hit myself when I saw that.
Closing out the property? I don't blame you man, that highway noise the whole video! And oh, this last summer I had to rebuild my deck, way bigger project than that. But boy, watching this I'm glad I went went regular wood. Although for some odd reason the lower portion of my deck was 10" on center, maybe it had to do with the fact that it was ground contact? IDK. To edge the deck I used a router, very clean nice edge, magic I learned from the Stud Pack channel!
True maintenance free and lower cost would have been poured concrete. I re-decked my deck, and learned composite isn't maintenance free. Dirt, bird poop, and tree debris looks bad, so finding regular cleaning is needed.
The gravel as a boarder won't be maintenance free either.
My solution for no facia board was better grade exposed joists and solid PVC boards and end grooveless decking. Joists can be sealed or painted. Facial boards are flimsy, require special fasteners, and trap moisture.
I opted to skip screws through the deck boards on the ends, and instead made it fully floating. The PVC composite expands contracts more than wood and needs to allow this movement, otherwise it will warp over time. Also Trek decking that use wood filler is susceptible to water absorption, so any breakthru of the PVC cap is potentially going to be a failure point (screws, end cuts, miter cuts).
I suspect many composite decks will end up replaced in a timeframe close to wood.
I also like the fact that he took the time to paint the ends but failed to use vinyl flashing on the house side
"Shed" side... but yeah... why no flashing Jeff?
Some manufacturers allow 16OC for their composite deck boards. You must read and know the limitations of materials.
Trex and most major brands allow 16 OC for straight decking w/o voiding the warranty. If you install diagonally you need 12 OC.
I did the trex on my deck but just picture framed it with normal deck boards to hide all the weird edges and then stained that and it came out pretty good.
They typically make the same boad with square edge, often Lowes/Depot dont stock that stuff so youll have to order it. But your better off buying from a lumber company, typically way cheaper too.
Facts you couldn't have said it no better
The supply trade is getting more weirder and crazy as we speak. Stuff that used to be routine is like trying to find gold on the moon
Looks great guys. Great work!!
I have something you can try unroll the tape to another roll and roll it back up on the other side. OR use 3M B- sealing tape that I use to splice buried cable I mean (telephone cables) I am talking about water proof stretches and no paper to pull off and then sticks in place and stays flexible too. That is my ideas
What no flashing on the ledger. Definitely looking for future rotting at the building sheathing. Wow so many mistakes 😮
I have always done a picture frame around the edge so you have 45 degree joints at the corners. This will allow you to do the same size overhang all around.
You're absolutely a super star, very well explained since a few years i watched your chanel and i learned alot. well done
I used damp proof PVC it doesn't have a self adhesive side just lay it on the joist and stapled it. This post is like a Mack Sennett production.
The only thing I don't agree with is a perfectly level deck. ALWAYS pitch at least 1/8" away from the house, 1/4" pitch is preferred over 8'. Also a vapor barrier on the top of joists will help with preventing rot in 40 years when the Trex is still in good shape but needs to be replaced because your framing has rotted into the ground. Also putting a mesh or barrier under any framing that touches the ground is a good idea. Besides that, you have good technique and a lot of knowledge and skill.
if you are ever doing a lot of drilling like the skirt boards forget measuring/eyeballing. measure and drill a scrap piece and use it as a template. if your template is accurate every other board will be accurate. the screws will be damn near laser line perfect and look sexy as hell perfectly spaced
JEFF Picture frame the deck, Cut it back 3 inches add some blocking So you have something to screw to . Increase the facia thickness If it looks intentional it looks like that's the way it was supposed to be built ! Nice touch with the plastic on the back window of your truck Rain diversion system
Great idea but I think it was a little late in the process.
Thank you for putting together this video.I really enjoyed watching the whole process.Looks great!😊
I probably would have just resorted to a wood facia board. Paint it gray to match or black for contrast.
Can four nails really take the place of a joist hanger? I'd like to see the code section for that.
There’s a code for Lp decks?
A properly installed hanger would be bette, stronger and easier to install but this is a small ground level deck with no codes methinks
So luv the how to tips,tricks, mistakes and how to correct it methods ❤❤❤
My decks are post hole floaters 36” down. That composite is nice but are hot and bow in summer and can ice slick when wet.
Make your own facia with deck boards
They typically look pretty good if you do two or three and stack them like siding
Check out acrylic tapes. G-tape is great. Sticks much better than butyl tape. I think they make one without a backing now.
DrDecks channel has good info on it.
Oh, so sorry about your truck window. That really sucks.
Good vid, again. Re the tape, suggest start at house, peel of a couple of inches only of backing tape, spread stretch out tape to full length of joist, hold it in position and get someone to grab the tab of backing tape at house and pull it out, with other hand on top pushing tape to joist as they go. You made hard work of that bit.😊
Also love seeing more of your son in videos! Helps me learn a lot more because he asks great questions ☺️
Glad you ti hear that. we just bought a 1970's home and will start the major renovation in the spring. Cheers!
Oh cool!! Looking forward to that!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY He must be thrilled to be getting this education from his father. And proud of you!
You maybe could’ve picture framed around the perimeter of decking possibly could’ve helped with skirting
Great video thank you sir 👍🏽
I did a deck during COVID. Then, the cost of Trex was essentially the same as wood, because of the wood prices shooting to the stars during COVID. Hence, I did my front deck in Trex. I live in the land of 200 days of rain per year, so Trex is soooo the way to go.
Love your content Jeff thanks
Thank you for every step
Great work! Im doing a small one now down here in LA! I’m wondering why you did not use the “Picture Frame” style for the top? I also wondered why not to place horizontal boards for fascia with the groove trimmed off? If they were trimmed on a 45, it’d be easier? Amazing ingenuity from your videos.
Will the grass start peeking through the deck eventually? Honest question
Great question!
Trex Protect Joist Tape at Home Depot peeled off great for me!
You may be able to route a nice roundover on the back side to take iff that sharp edge and make it look a little better.
I recommend removing the grass first step, and lay a landscape fabric and then rock or pea gravel before the deck is constructed. And sticking on a two inch piece of roofing starter on top of each joist will help protect them from rot.
Once that window is replaced ,head to princess auto and get an $80 trailer hitch mounted bed extender for the next 12 foot load ! Another great video 🎉
Home Depot... Butyl Joist Tape for under Decking Boards in East TN. 1-5/8''x50ft. use it on every deck I build.
"...How much ugly I'm willing to put up with..." Those are the truest words for a do it yourselfer when things don't go perfect! That's just being honest with yourself:). Great video, liked/subbed
Instead of making the whole deck a 1/4" shorter, you could add a 1/4" fascia board to the rim joist to move the skirting out to match the decking.
Thats why I love watching your videos Reno. You're real and honest. It's nothing scripted and you have good common sense mixed with a wealth of knowledge. I really appreciate all your videos. I've learned so much to make me a better amateur builder.
Hey Jeff, I would have used a router with a 45* bit and a bearing to get my offset. Perfect every time.
Beautiful. You gotta be the hardest workin' guy on video. Thanks
Love your videos and LOVE the frogs in the background!! Thank you for making my days pleasant.
I thought they were crickets.
Love the channel. Love the content. Love the heart. Miss Max’s camera work!
Thanks for the thorough video. Have you tried picture framing the outside boards so that you don’t have to worry about that waterfall issue you spoke about?
Adjust your miter to make the corner meet - it doesn’t have to be 45*
Did you try looking for something that's similar to the stone on the house you could put around the bottom sides of the shed and deck?
Could you use the cameo system with the hiden screws to fix the vertical end boards?
I take a piece of decking to my paint store and have it color matched. Then I paint all exposed ends. Then it blends in better
@Jeff. You missed a timestamp at 57:30 where you unveil your now-modified Ford F-150 Greenhouse Edition. 😉
These new blocks look amazing; have worked with the concrete. Could they be used to make the floor of a shed?
As someone with minimal DIY experience, I appreciated how this video simplified the deck-building process. The tips for efficiency and the easy-to-follow demonstrations were incredibly helpful, making it seem like a doable project even for beginners.
Cheers Sharron
Awesome. Still a bit above DIY, being that you know when to add tricks of the trade. 😅
Steel framed decks are the future
Hey, I use Huber Zip tape instead of butyl joist tape. It is cheaper, doesn't have a backing, and if i want I can cut a roll in half and double it up for twice the length.
Zip tape, but you might see the lettering a little if there are gaps in the planking. Best tape ever.
Beautiful job, as always.
You could solve the issue by making the last edge board thinner, probably could do it with the circular saw, if you don’t have a planer available
Hi I have just found your videos and you give great info. I have built a deck before but had issues with rats, can you recommend anything to stop this.... By the way we had three cats and they did not stop them.
I put composite decking on 16” OC with 0 issues.
I had commentary going as I watched this but my cat stepped on my keyboard and changed videos so I lost what I was saying. LOL.
I wonder if camo blocks can be used for deck stairs. Good to know about the 12" on center for the composite boards.
Planning to put a small landing (not attached to the house) outside the back door. I wonder if I need the blocking between joists for that.
Peeling the backing off of tape is the bane of my existence. I always have a hard time with it. LOL.
Ugh. sorry about your truck's window. That is never fun when it breaks.
Hmm.. I don't even know if I will do fascia boards on my landing. Nobody but my family and the critters will see it.
I see you poured a concrete pad for a step at the end. Looks nice.
As an alternative to that joist tape, would it be feasible to use flexseal and spray it on instead or bitumen paint?
What about measuring & cutting the deck tape before taking off the cellophane back, that way you don't have to deal with the weight of the roll twisting & falling off joist. You might try small zip ties as you cut to put between tape & cellophane for peeling starts.
like the tunes selection...excellent working background
Nicely done!
I made a little tiny deck on my shed, but I didn’t put a gutter in and the water kept splashing up and caused some damage so I had to put a gutter on it, so I’m trying to say,you might want to put a gutter on there
Would 1/4" hardi-backer board work under your vertical facia?
Hey Jeff,
How do you deal with when you have concave corners on the deck your building like when it’s not completely rectangular ? Would you still go and build a rectangular frame and then the additional pieces later or would you build a frame that covers the entire shape of the deck?
Was there enough thickness so you could have cut a rabbit/groove in the facia board to insert the deck board?
So when you decided to screw in that first joist to the shed, how did you determine where that was suppose to be?
Later you found that it was not square with the deck supports in there current location, so board ended up being moved. Did it not matter where you had it to start or was that always a temporary location?
Didn't have any problems with supply chain b4 COVID, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY ELECTION CYCLE WE ALLWAYS HAVE A SOME WEIRD HEALT SCARE .
What was the bag of material used as a base for the camo block? was it a particular type of gravel?
Thank you!!
Man, you're like a new Bob Vila with the voice of a young Steve Smith (Red Green Show)
That looks fantastic.
The ending was so quick 😅 that I wasn't accepting that. It's still a great video 👍