I’m happy that these videos show how Raimi’s take on Spider-Man isn’t as accurate as many may seem. Peter isn’t a quiet kid who lets life treat him like a bitch but rather a regular guy who has genuine flaws, he gets angry, sad and he isn’t a shy kid but rather more outgoing. Those Raimi movies really did change how people saw Peter.
I mean to be fair this point in the comics is a fair bit in Parker starts off as the quintessential shy bookish kid but grows to be more outgoing and confident. I think the first Rami movie is an excellent portrayal of early Peter but he should've developed more in the second one (I can't say the third because Symbiote)
Finish the run! More angst is coming! Maybe I was reading too much into this, but after Gwen died Peter definitely seemed more irritable and neurotic then he had been in a while. I even read most of his quips as Spider-Man as just meaner. To me, it seemed like he was processing grief in a all too common way: subconsciously. And little bits of it would creep out from time to time, shown in anger. But yeah, the later Conway run deals more with Gwen's death
Honestly beautiful it shows how much of peters life is characterized by death & love the death of uncle ben lead to his depression but aunt mays love got him out of it gwens death lead to him shedding his mask of "peter parker" and mary jane helped him realize who he truly is its incredibly sad how they refuse to let peter grow like this anymore (they broke him and MJ up because they believed it would "age him up too fast") which is a big reason on why post 2007s spiderman kinda sucks
I like Leo’s after credit scenes. They always let me know what’s coming up in the Implicitly Pretentious Cinematic Universe. Also, top notch voice acting.
I have been waiting for this. Honestly after watching Matt Drapier's video on the events on this and what happens after into the Roger Stern run, I really want to see a Spider-Man show adapt the early years of the Marvel heroes lives without adding characters who didn't appear until later. I honestly wanted to see a animated or live action adaptation of Marvels by Alex Ross. I hope you do your own video on Marvels. Not the movie, the book
DUDE - you can't just tease me with a Greg Rucka era Wonder Woman cover like that! Have you been reading that run?! I need a series from you covering that whole arc!
They're such a great and well developed couple that many people should look after in real life, I sure hope they won't be separated bcs of editorial ideas
Is that an Evangalion thumbnail but... Spider-Man? Also I'd love for you to cover Peter-Parker: Spider-Man vol 2, #47. Best heart to heart between Peter and Norman.
I have said this multiple times in various videos related to this topic but I will always feel it needs repeating. As much as I love the raimi films, their version of mary jane was always the weakest part and as a result every MJ afterwards has felt the need to show off how "they're not like other MJs" assuming the raimi MJ is how all MJs are like when that's far from the case. the original comic run of MJ was honestly a really interesting character in my opinion, and while her story isn't directly about action/superheroics it still had a great level of depth and character to it. (which is also another reason why im sad spectacular spiderman was cut because their MJ was both comic accurate and one of the best) so it just sorta annoys me that newer writers basically try to correct a problem that never truly existed in the first place. also to add to some of the weirdness/confusion of this situation, apparently the raimi films weren't originally going to have MJ, it was meant to be gwen stacy from the start since that's what raimi grew with but the studio thought MJ was more recognizable and thus decided to use her, so it resulted in MJ being written like gwen and then gwen showed up in 3 she acted more like MJ,
I definitely appreciated this video. I have fucked up so much with regard to my own behaviour in the past, or jumped to defend the wrong person (I once wrote a whole blog post defending Joss Whedon after Age of Ultron came out... shudder). I believe in accountability, but there are plenty of people willing to seek out people's past mistakes to use as ammunition.
The thing I think people miss about Spider-Man is that he is supposed to grow up. When we first meet him he is an awkward bitter and selfish 15 year old. Over time we see him become flirty, cocky, wise cracking, but overconfident. We watch him make mistakes that have real consequences like ignoring Harry's mental decline into the second goblin. Then we see him become a more humble hero. Earn the respect of other heroes. Even make peace with J Jonah Jameson. The Peter we know today is caught in a loop where he is rarely allowed to grow. Most adaptations get so caught up in the bullied teen angel they lose sight of the wisecracking flirty trickster he grew up to be. It's why modern Spider-Man stories are frustrating.
And yet we’re still talking about Gwen Stacy decades later. Mary Jane is the one you hang out with, be friends with or even be friends with benefits if you get my drift. She’s not really the one you marry though. You say Gwen is old and busted yet decades later we’re still talking about her. Like it or not, she’s the first true love of Spider-Man.
@@EVGriffinJrno. Peter straight up says Gwen is the past and Mj is his future. Like he moved on and didn’t stay obsessed with a dead girl. This idea that Gwen is Peter’s one true love and that mj is just who he settle with is really creepy
@@EVGriffinJrthat all falls apart when Peter himself says he has loved MJ more then he ever did Gwen and actually married MJ. Your idea of MJ and Gwen is horribly off base and inaccurate
@@VincentEternal say what you want. I’ve actually read Spider-Man since the 70s. Gwen will always be the first true love of Spider-Man‘s life. But like in life, you have to eventually move on. I’m not saying he didn’t love Mary Jane Watson, but Gwen will always have a special place in his heart. for me, it just shows how human Spider-Man is. And why we connect to him so much.
you can tell me every single way that the Raimi films fail on technical levels but they're just too much fun to watch for me to ever call them bad movies
I really enjoyed it! I love how it portrays the ease of Peter where he is absolutely scarred by the death of Gwen and how the Green Goblin has had an impact on his life, the ‘kid who collects Spider-Man’ is part is really well written!
While I do respect the legacy of Peter Parker/Mary Jane Watson, Mary Jane never could quite replace Gwen. Love or hate her, he was the first true love of Spider-Man’s life.
@@justbny9278MJ is also the person who know who Spider-Man is, Gwen never found that out (and I’m not counting that retcon) and she hated Spider-Man. Even if Peter told her the real reason behind her father’s death, I don’t believe she would’ve stayed with him. MJ has been with him through his lowest and highest points and has stuck by him through it all and has accept him as both Spider-Man and Peter Parker. Gwen may be his first love, but that doesn’t mean she should be his only love and he can’t be happy when she’s no longer with him. Mary Jane Watson is his soulmate.
@@windghost2 I don’t believe in that soulmate crap. That said, you do have one point. Peter did deserve to go on with his life and find love, and he with Mary Jane Watson.
Not a fan of the new Mary Jane. Oh and if you want people to be a-ok with white characters suddenly becoming black well then you have to be ok with the reverse too or you’re just making a white character black for diversity sake to earn brownie points and really don’t believe in the a character can’t be defined by race and all the other arguments. If you’re not ok with race swapping a black character to white then don’t talk down to me about not be ok with race swapping a white character to black. Oh and for the record I’m against ANY race swapping. Characters are who they are. If you want more of a particular race invent them. Plenty of room for new superheroes and new supporting characters. Same with gender swapping and sexuality swapping.
@@ascendedsavage7040 Artificial Voices? guess that's why it sounded the same for both showings, rather than actual voice acting happening. Thought it was a friend or something of his. Thanks
I’m happy that these videos show how Raimi’s take on Spider-Man isn’t as accurate as many may seem. Peter isn’t a quiet kid who lets life treat him like a bitch but rather a regular guy who has genuine flaws, he gets angry, sad and he isn’t a shy kid but rather more outgoing. Those Raimi movies really did change how people saw Peter.
And low and behold, Garfield was just that. Now look who the audience wants to come back for another film..😏
@@uncle_ben_rices_nephewbeen saying this for years
@@kenmun2168he was such an amazing peter and spider-man sony really hoed him
I mean to be fair this point in the comics is a fair bit in Parker starts off as the quintessential shy bookish kid but grows to be more outgoing and confident. I think the first Rami movie is an excellent portrayal of early Peter but he should've developed more in the second one (I can't say the third because Symbiote)
Finish the run! More angst is coming!
Maybe I was reading too much into this, but after Gwen died Peter definitely seemed more irritable and neurotic then he had been in a while. I even read most of his quips as Spider-Man as just meaner. To me, it seemed like he was processing grief in a all too common way: subconsciously. And little bits of it would creep out from time to time, shown in anger.
But yeah, the later Conway run deals more with Gwen's death
I’m hoping he does all the comics at this point, love his observations
Honestly beautiful it shows how much of peters life is characterized by death & love
the death of uncle ben lead to his depression but aunt mays love got him out of it
gwens death lead to him shedding his mask of "peter parker" and mary jane helped him realize who he truly is
its incredibly sad how they refuse to let peter grow like this anymore (they broke him and MJ up because they believed it would "age him up too fast") which is a big reason on why post 2007s spiderman kinda sucks
Say it loud enough for the Editorial Staff to hear you. You're spot on
Uncle Ben death didn’t send Peter into a depression.
@@mero7731Yeah, it sent him into a murderous rampage.
@@TheRedJadex that’s not the same as depression. Peter felt sad but he moved on. It wasn’t a constant state
I like Leo’s after credit scenes. They always let me know what’s coming up in the Implicitly Pretentious Cinematic Universe.
Also, top notch voice acting.
TCU
Trauma Cinematic Universe
I have been waiting for this.
Honestly after watching Matt Drapier's video on the events on this and what happens after into the Roger Stern run, I really want to see a Spider-Man show adapt the early years of the Marvel heroes lives without adding characters who didn't appear until later.
I honestly wanted to see a animated or live action adaptation of Marvels by Alex Ross. I hope you do your own video on Marvels. Not the movie, the book
Would love to see Spidey - Black Cat Relationship Dissection
It's a good day when implicitly uploads, Gerry Conway's run on spidey is my personal favorite when it came to character development
DUDE - you can't just tease me with a Greg Rucka era Wonder Woman cover like that! Have you been reading that run?! I need a series from you covering that whole arc!
They're such a great and well developed couple that many people should look after in real life, I sure hope they won't be separated bcs of editorial ideas
8:47 "Can you dig with it?"
i spewed my tea out my nose, thank you very much
Oh man these old comics were fucking wild. Thanks for recapping some of them. Seeing Peter swear lethal vengeance on Vulture alone is gold.
Honestly I'm just so glad to hear someone else point out what is wrong with Cryderman's take on MJ.
Bro thank u sm for making these. I love how u edit ur videos, music & all. It’s very punk yet it’s got such class🙌Sloth Baby productions quality
That thumbnail is freaking genius
That thumbnail tho
With how Spider-Man has gotten the shaft pretty bad for years I’d say give him the Evangelion 3.0+1.0 ending treatment.
Ayo peter parker with stitch's voice and with rizz is best peter parker with rizz
Thanks again for the great vids. Hope you feel better soon
Is that an Evangalion thumbnail but... Spider-Man? Also I'd love for you to cover Peter-Parker: Spider-Man vol 2, #47. Best heart to heart between Peter and Norman.
Man, I remember the spider-buggy... Sheesh, what a mess that was. 😅
5.38 got my anxiety hollerin
I have said this multiple times in various videos related to this topic but I will always feel it needs repeating. As much as I love the raimi films, their version of mary jane was always the weakest part and as a result every MJ afterwards has felt the need to show off how "they're not like other MJs" assuming the raimi MJ is how all MJs are like when that's far from the case. the original comic run of MJ was honestly a really interesting character in my opinion, and while her story isn't directly about action/superheroics it still had a great level of depth and character to it. (which is also another reason why im sad spectacular spiderman was cut because their MJ was both comic accurate and one of the best) so it just sorta annoys me that newer writers basically try to correct a problem that never truly existed in the first place.
also to add to some of the weirdness/confusion of this situation, apparently the raimi films weren't originally going to have MJ, it was meant to be gwen stacy from the start since that's what raimi grew with but the studio thought MJ was more recognizable and thus decided to use her, so it resulted in MJ being written like gwen and then gwen showed up in 3 she acted more like MJ,
“Out! You dig?”
“Yeah MJ, I dig! $&@?”
I definitely appreciated this video. I have fucked up so much with regard to my own behaviour in the past, or jumped to defend the wrong person (I once wrote a whole blog post defending Joss Whedon after Age of Ultron came out... shudder). I believe in accountability, but there are plenty of people willing to seek out people's past mistakes to use as ammunition.
The thing I think people miss about Spider-Man is that he is supposed to grow up.
When we first meet him he is an awkward bitter and selfish 15 year old. Over time we see him become flirty, cocky, wise cracking, but overconfident. We watch him make mistakes that have real consequences like ignoring Harry's mental decline into the second goblin.
Then we see him become a more humble hero. Earn the respect of other heroes. Even make peace with J Jonah Jameson.
The Peter we know today is caught in a loop where he is rarely allowed to grow.
Most adaptations get so caught up in the bullied teen angel they lose sight of the wisecracking flirty trickster he grew up to be. It's why modern Spider-Man stories are frustrating.
something, something, something changing your mind
Thanks for the great content and get well soon my guy
dude, ya really know how to heal traumas do you? I love your channel
Very Nice
Peter sounds like Skeletor...
You should get an Oscar for your kick ass voice acting 🫶🏻🤩
When they use BOLD in the dialogue, that’s the part you’re meant to emphasize
Never thought of letterers as the voice actors of comics before
Man. I wasn't expecting this to be so damn *mundane*.
Wait until you hit the issues where Peter meets Gwen's clone and believes he has gone insane.
Notification gang
Wish that was me 😔
Yo
Love the megaman profile pic!
@@placeholder2030 Thank you man, been in love with the games since I was a kid
That Peter Parker voice... I 100% believe is influenced by Casually Comics
now there's a crossover idea :)
nice one as usual
Gwen old and busted and MJ the fully developed and 3 dimenyional charcater
Preach!!!
And yet we’re still talking about Gwen Stacy decades later. Mary Jane is the one you hang out with, be friends with or even be friends with benefits if you get my drift. She’s not really the one you marry though.
You say Gwen is old and busted yet decades later we’re still talking about her. Like it or not, she’s the first true love of Spider-Man.
@@EVGriffinJrno. Peter straight up says Gwen is the past and Mj is his future. Like he moved on and didn’t stay obsessed with a dead girl. This idea that Gwen is Peter’s one true love and that mj is just who he settle with is really creepy
@@EVGriffinJrthat all falls apart when Peter himself says he has loved MJ more then he ever did Gwen and actually married MJ. Your idea of MJ and Gwen is horribly off base and inaccurate
@@VincentEternal say what you want. I’ve actually read Spider-Man since the 70s. Gwen will always be the first true love of Spider-Man‘s life. But like in life, you have to eventually move on. I’m not saying he didn’t love Mary Jane Watson, but Gwen will always have a special place in his heart. for me, it just shows how human Spider-Man is. And why we connect to him so much.
Also, wouldnt it be a good complement for the retrospective to read untold tales? If you want
@ImplicityPretentious Wait you okay??
aaaand then paul shows up.
Sick
My recommended finally giving me something good!?
Beautiful ❤️
If skip to Roger sterns run that’s where the comic gets good again
“CAN U DIG WITH IT” about 9 minutes in - reading’s hard
God I love this series
YEEEEES
you can tell me every single way that the Raimi films fail on technical levels but they're just too much fun to watch for me to ever call them bad movies
On what technical levels do they fail besides arbitrary comic accuracy?
Swell video.
Wow caught this at 41 seconds.
What is your review on Spider-Man Lotus?
I thought it was unbelievably terrible.
I really enjoyed it! I love how it portrays the ease of Peter where he is absolutely scarred by the death of Gwen and how the Green Goblin has had an impact on his life, the ‘kid who collects Spider-Man’ is part is really well written!
@@harryfleutv666 it was written in a disgustingly cheesy way.
@@omarmansour6766 that’s your opinion
Spider-Man blue and the green goblin’s last stand is Quintillion better than lotus. Thanks to the other youtubers who suggested the two masterpieces.
What do you think of the Spider-Man: Lotus fan film?
Sensational
Neon Gwenesis Gwenelion
Who makes your thumbnails for you
Bro not the voice 😭😦😭😭😭😭💀
Have u ever watched the teen titans 2003 show? I would pay to watch that video😍
11:43 it's been a year brother 😶
Ok.
Then they assassinated her character in the comics by making her leave Peter to California every other arc
Dawg wtf I just rewatched End of Evangelion.
What’s that song that plays in a the back on the after gwen?
Hey everyone 👋🏾
THAT voice is the best thing about this - keep doing them!!!!
He’s not reading the BOLD parts
can you do dc comics stuff too?
Spider-man
Can I haz chezburger please?
While I do respect the legacy of Peter Parker/Mary Jane Watson, Mary Jane never could quite replace Gwen. Love or hate her, he was the first true love of Spider-Man’s life.
first love rarely ever is The Definitive love tho so
@@justbny9278MJ is also the person who know who Spider-Man is, Gwen never found that out (and I’m not counting that retcon) and she hated Spider-Man.
Even if Peter told her the real reason behind her father’s death, I don’t believe she would’ve stayed with him.
MJ has been with him through his lowest and highest points and has stuck by him through it all and has accept him as both Spider-Man and Peter Parker.
Gwen may be his first love, but that doesn’t mean she should be his only love and he can’t be happy when she’s no longer with him.
Mary Jane Watson is his soulmate.
>First true love of Spiderman
>Who is Betty Bryant
@@combatmantis4393 actually you have a point.
@@windghost2 I don’t believe in that soulmate crap. That said, you do have one point. Peter did deserve to go on with his life and find love, and he with Mary Jane Watson.
These videos will always get an automatic clicl from me!
thumbnail gave me ptsd
no.. not that aunt may wedding issue.. i'm getting flashbacks of that accursed ghost hammerhead arc
Not a fan of the new Mary Jane. Oh and if you want people to be a-ok with white characters suddenly becoming black well then you have to be ok with the reverse too or you’re just making a white character black for diversity sake to earn brownie points and really don’t believe in the a character can’t be defined by race and all the other arguments. If you’re not ok with race swapping a black character to white then don’t talk down to me about not be ok with race swapping a white character to black. Oh and for the record I’m against ANY race swapping. Characters are who they are. If you want more of a particular race invent them. Plenty of room for new superheroes and new supporting characters. Same with gender swapping and sexuality swapping.
This guy keeps doing Evangelion thumbnails, and it's starting to throw me off.
who was the woman in this video? You making connections now?:)
Ai
@@ascendedsavage7040 Artificial Voices? guess that's why it sounded the same for both showings, rather than actual voice acting happening. Thought it was a friend or something of his. Thanks
This only makes me hate the current Spider-Man run more
Your voice acting got worse somehow...
Great video tho! ❤
Ew Marvel..