How Strong Are Bolt Threads? Hydraulic Press Test!

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  • How strong are hex nuts and bolts? and can we crush this giant ones? We are going to use our 150 ton hydraulic press and 240 force sensor to find out!
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  • @HydraulicPressChannel
    @HydraulicPressChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Here is link to the key way machining video th-cam.com/video/ENU8ABkH4NA/w-d-xo.html

    • @intelboydj1
      @intelboydj1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      7:46 SNAP!!! It sounded like a firecracker, LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @Smartzenegger
      @Smartzenegger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ...and for todays extra content... nothing. :(
      Hoped for: "It's a clay bolt that can attack nuts and is really dangerous, so we have to deal with it."

    • @bradpotgieter4008
      @bradpotgieter4008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In tension it should be the same result, no?

    • @nocturnal0072
      @nocturnal0072 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bradpotgieter4008 not really, usually the bolt breaks.
      Edit: th-cam.com/video/BQzABbhwlDM/w-d-xo.html
      Also fine pitch thread is usually stronger, it tends to hold better.

    • @firefox5926
      @firefox5926 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you need longer nuts :P mor engagement area

  • @misterhat5823
    @misterhat5823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +743

    "Hard bolt. Soft nut." Words to live by.

    • @MF175mp
      @MF175mp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      🤣

    • @Stan_in_Shelton_WA
      @Stan_in_Shelton_WA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      How does his wife feel about that? "I don't have hard nuts"

    • @JunkyardBashSteve
      @JunkyardBashSteve 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I felt dumb for laughing when he said that but, cmon... soft nut is pretty funny lmao

    • @rastislavzima
      @rastislavzima 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yeah, "hubrid" model. 🙂

    • @Chaosrain112
      @Chaosrain112 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      "Hard bolt, soft nut. Doesn't help." RIP fellow hard-bolters.

  • @windriver2363
    @windriver2363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +707

    Would be cool to see some more variables tests.
    - Fine vs coarse threads.
    - Difference thread forms (acme, 60° V, square)
    - Different amounts of thread engagement

    • @austinlane5533
      @austinlane5533 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I like the way you think.. nice!

    • @dfunited1
      @dfunited1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Came here to say the same

    • @AffordBindEquipment
      @AffordBindEquipment 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      also buttress threads except that's a pull test.

    • @alro2434
      @alro2434 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Also grades! Thanks.

    • @Berkana
      @Berkana 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I would add one more thing: the bold heads have raised lettering, which prevents the bolt head from turning. I'm curious what would happen if the bolt head were ground flat and polished smooth, and a dab of lubricant were put on the bolt head so that as the press comes down, the bolt can turn. Would pressing the bolt that way cause it to turn and screw into the nut? What if some lubricant were put into the threads of the nut?

  • @justskip4595
    @justskip4595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +383

    I had been waiting years for this. Did not disappoint at all. Now I want to see you invent something to do with the massive one.

    • @HydraulicPressChannel
      @HydraulicPressChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      I have good plans for them :D

    • @JD_13
      @JD_13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@HydraulicPressChannel and we will be right here ready to see what you have done to it :D

    • @rebelboi88
      @rebelboi88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@HydraulicPressChannelI'm both excited and scared for your health!

    • @dan3458
      @dan3458 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Invent something......you mean drill a larger hole. That's it. Invention done. Jesus christ

    • @gwarrichmond6232
      @gwarrichmond6232 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You and me both!!!!!

  • @CowsGoM3ow
    @CowsGoM3ow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Thanks for taking the time to saw that big bolt and nut in half! Very interesting.

  • @Gyppor
    @Gyppor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +221

    Very interesting how the M26 and M42 bolts start to get crushed and deforms before the threads let go!

    • @AureliusR
      @AureliusR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Yeah, technically *that* is the failure point. The second a structural member of any sort goes into plastic deformation, the part has failed. So the numbers he is testing here is yield strength, which is never actually used as the "real" strength of the steel.

    • @samtimo3002
      @samtimo3002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Well theres a big difference in the bolt steel, aswell as the thread composition itself
      What i mean is for the smaller sizes the bolts are made out of pretty cheap shit, aswell as having a very coarse thread, which ultimately leads to lower strength
      The m26 thread seems to be a 1.5 TPI pitch, rather than a 2 TPI or even coarser, if the smaller sizes were 1 TPI pitch well then it would definitely take alot more
      When you start working on threads you start to understand why shit fucks up

    • @Gyppor
      @Gyppor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@samtimo3002 I didn't catch the grade of all the bolts either, wish he had shown all of them. I also wish he had tested the difference between an 8.8 and a 10.9 bolt/nut combos. You could really go down a rabbit hole here!

    • @MultiArrie
      @MultiArrie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@samtimo3002 All the zinc plated bolts were the standard quality 8.8 and if a metric bolt size the thread pitch not metioned its corse, the thread pitch increses with the boltsize. The thread pitch is measured from thread to thread M16 is 2.0mm M24 is 3.0mm M36 4mm

    • @mysock351C
      @mysock351C 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s typically what you would want so you can get the full strength of the bolt. If the threads go before the bolt even gets plastic then it’s not so good. There is the fact that bolted joints don’t carry the full external load on the clamped joint (in addition to the bolt tension) since the sub-straight is usually elastic as well, so in service it may behave differently.

  • @brendo7363
    @brendo7363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    ask Kentucky Ballistics

  • @Dorfjunge
    @Dorfjunge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    I'm super impressed how accurate you guessed the pressure each time! especially the last one!!!!!

    • @kimsmoke17
      @kimsmoke17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      There’s no guessing involved. It’s called opening the machinery’s handbook to the table labeled “metric bolt ultimate tensile strength”…

    • @wouterboer66
      @wouterboer66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kimsmoke17 Exactly

    • @HydraulicPressChannel
      @HydraulicPressChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      @@kimsmoke17 I am way too lazy for those :D

    • @jhidley1
      @jhidley1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      And its the FORCE, not the Pressure. Completely different things.

    • @Dorfjunge
      @Dorfjunge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@jhidley1 dude, calm down. First of all thanks for the correction. Secondly, the instrument is called a hydraulic press so the term pressure automatically feels suited. Also pressure is force per area so calling it something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT is a bit ridiculous too, don't you think?

  • @SuperWorldRailFanProductions
    @SuperWorldRailFanProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Your videos as well as your accent never disappoint and just make my day!! Keep it up!!

  • @Alex-xh5zm
    @Alex-xh5zm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    6:40 "The effect is the same, no matter the size" Words to live by.

    • @JGunit
      @JGunit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      👇

    • @antoninduda9078
      @antoninduda9078 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      stolen from mister hat

  • @Mark.D.H.
    @Mark.D.H. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    Great test! I would have been interested to see what difference a finer thread would make.

    • @A_Bit_of_Thought
      @A_Bit_of_Thought 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That would be interesting to see what different thread pitches at a given diameter would yield.

    • @capitaleyes4942
      @capitaleyes4942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      To take that a step further, I wonder how an acme thread would hold up.

    • @RubyRhod
      @RubyRhod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It would make no difference at all testing it this way.
      The bolts actually compressed quite a bit before the threads have way.
      If the bolts were in tension as the usually always are, they would split right where the thread meets either the smooth party of the shaft or at the screw head.
      A finer thread is less deep, leaving a bigger core, so stripping the thread like we saw: this video becomes more common.
      The thread form (i.e. trapezoid) would make no difference the way these screws were tested.
      I have no experience in trapezoid threads, but my guess is in tension the screw would snap before the threads give way.

    • @jamesa7506
      @jamesa7506 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@capitaleyes4942 would only depend on who was using it, willy coyote or roadrunner.

    • @thegiantgaming7592
      @thegiantgaming7592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah they should compare "Fine Metric" bolts to regular ones. More threads and harder material.

  • @thegiantgaming7592
    @thegiantgaming7592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Try "Fine metric" bolts for comparison!
    They have more threads and are harder than a "regular 8.8" bolt/nut curious to see how much more weight they can take.

  • @Adlamo
    @Adlamo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Great video. Find a way to do the same thing in tension (instead of compression). I have heard that the bolt will break before the threads. Since you did in compression, the bolt compressed and got thicker but won't break.

    • @EllipticGeometry
      @EllipticGeometry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This seems likely. I broke a bolt under tension yesterday. It fractured at the top of the nut. The thread held it just fine. Only a tiny section at the fracture site is slightly warped, as the bolt was torn apart there.

    • @Skidrrow
      @Skidrrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why do that ? You have cross section, you have material , you can calculate the tension that will break the bolt .

    • @tadda6282
      @tadda6282 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The bolt will break at the root of the thread as that's the area with the smallest diameter and cross sectional area.

    • @Adlamo
      @Adlamo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Skidrrow why do anything on this channel? For fun of course. More about just showing bolt breaks before threads.

    • @pflaffik
      @pflaffik 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All you need to do is to tighten a bolt with a nut on it, in some hole. How often did we see damage threads, and how often did the bolt stretch apart? From my mechanical experience the threads are more often the weakest point. You typically need a deep threaded hole, like in an engine block, for the threads to be considerably stronger than the bolt, in that case theres like 2-3 times more engaged threads than with a nut. Still, depends on type of bolt and nut, i have stretched apart a few bolts too. Straightness is cruicial too, if the bolt is allowed to bend it will break off much easier.

  • @Nanan00
    @Nanan00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Would love to see this done on a 1"-8UNC bolting setup made out of SA193-B7 / SA194-2H as this size bolting is used everywhere in power gen, steel, chemical plants and oil refining.

    • @chrisbrent7487
      @chrisbrent7487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I used work in a business that cut and sold studs. I’ve seen a hell of a lot of B7 studs and 2H nuts in my time. All for petrochemical work and chemical. Some super duplex studs would be fun to thrash in the press. It would be good to compare their before and after x rays. I imagine in Finland they’d all be metric threads, even for perochem.

  • @ihrkanntmichma9454
    @ihrkanntmichma9454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Interesting! Also pretty good guesses on the breaking force. As others, I'd like to see a coarse vs. fine thread comparison!

  • @MarkOakleyComics
    @MarkOakleyComics 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    You know you're a guy when out of dozens of videos about everything under the sun, when you see a thumbnail of a hydraulic press with a nut and bolt positioned under it and the question, "How strong are bolt threads?" your reaction is...
    "I MUST know!"

  • @tonyrmathis
    @tonyrmathis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Would like to have seen the different between rolled and cut threads

    • @vorlon123
      @vorlon123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same here, Form tapped hole VS cut tapped hole.

  • @dababycar2899
    @dababycar2899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    👍👍👍

  • @Stuka87
    @Stuka87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This was really cool. I think it would be cool to see the difference between different grades of bolts of the same size. Grade 5 vs Grade 8, etc.

    • @Stuka87
      @Stuka87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Andrew Crews Yeah, I did not know the metric equivalents. But seeing the differences for bolts that are the same exact size would be cool.
      Or even course thread vs fine thread.

    • @ASJC27
      @ASJC27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Andrew Crews the black bolts weren’t grade 12.9. They were 10.9, as can be seen by the markings on the head at 2:04. 10.9 is the same as SAE grade 8.
      12.9 exists and is about 20% stronger than 10.9, but it is uncommon for hex heads. It is common for socket heads.

  • @drbendaroo9610
    @drbendaroo9610 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Would be interested in seeing the shear stress capacity.

    • @amosbackstrom5366
      @amosbackstrom5366 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too. That would be a test for hardened pins. Bolts are designed for tension and compression, pins take up shear forces.
      And the forces will be much stronger indeed. Pulling a bolt is easy, and it's actually an example of a shear failure not tensile. The threads only need to smooth out the bumps and valleys and it will pull right through.
      Smaller diameter bolts have so much thread engagement that the bolt itself tends to fail first, larger bolts have so much cross-section in relation to thread engagement so the threads get stripped off and the bolt doesn't stretch at all

    • @nixsim1567
      @nixsim1567 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The hard are grade 10.9s, others are grade 8.8s. 10.9s are heat treated

  • @domination1985
    @domination1985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Not going to lie I'm very impressed about how easy with 1 hand he picked up the big bolt

    • @gunner4544
      @gunner4544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s because he picks the same weight up every time he takes a leak lol.

    • @The_Keeper
      @The_Keeper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Machinists, man. They're strong as hell.

    • @domination1985
      @domination1985 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@The_Keeper those are the ones that are scare not the bodybuilders

  • @WoodworkerDon
    @WoodworkerDon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video was NUTS!

  • @EllipticGeometry
    @EllipticGeometry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The timing of this video is impeccable. I just broke an M8 yesterday. Seems to be a fatigue failure under tension. The bolt fractured at the top of the nut. The nut seems to be in perfect condition. The bolt’s thread also looks great except for the very ends where it fractured. It’s clear the bolt was simply ripped apart before much else could happen. Extrapolating from this video, the M8 would probably take 3 tons or so under those conditions.

    • @jdawgmotor330
      @jdawgmotor330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd like to suggest Carroll Smith's Nuts, Bolts, Fasteners and Plumbing Handbook. Good guide for evaluating the applications for your fasteners.

    • @EllipticGeometry
      @EllipticGeometry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jdawgmotor330 FYI, I hadn’t touched that bolt or anything near it. I just literally got to pick up the pieces.

  • @jacob_90s
    @jacob_90s 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Weird timing, but I actually just saw a video a few days ago, and one thing they mentioned was that with nuts and bolts, something like 80-90% of the load stays in the first one or two threads.

    • @kjdude8765
      @kjdude8765 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, it's the first few threads that carry the load.

    • @BrooksMoses
      @BrooksMoses 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup -- though I'm not sure if that's still true once the bolt gets close to breaking.

  • @davidmcgill1000
    @davidmcgill1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Don't think I've ever seen a bolt with threads stripped right off. More interesting than I expected.

    • @farticlesofconflatulation
      @farticlesofconflatulation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They completely sheared off like springs. Incredible to say the least!

    • @dikkie1000
      @dikkie1000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It could be the manufacturing process, the other bolts might have a rolled thread and the big one might be a cut thread. Rolling makes the thread stronger by shaping it, cutting removes material.

  • @DUKE_of_RAMBLE
    @DUKE_of_RAMBLE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    When that M42 broke and the threads rocketed up around the shank, this was my *literal* face until you came over and picked it up: 😮
    But, as shocking as it was to see that, in even more surprised to see that the nut threads were intact... 😳
    Which now it begs an answer of whether that was the same failure mode on all the smaller bolts, or did they have some nuts that failed, too? OR if that test was a one-off, and redoing the test with the same M42s would have different results... 🤔
    Either way, that one nut deserves its halves to be mounted on a plaque, with the title: _"Pritty Got Damn Strongk!"_

    • @mrrandomperson3106
      @mrrandomperson3106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was more surprised there was no scream from Anni! Where was she?

    • @DUKE_of_RAMBLE
      @DUKE_of_RAMBLE 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrrandomperson3106 In a previous video, he'd said that she wanted a bit more time to do her own stuff, but she (or maybe Laurie) wasn't sure quite what she'd do. Might be uploading stuff to her own channel that (apparently) hasn't seen be content in some time, or I think he said she had a blog as well.
      Either way, she'll still be around thankfully, just not for *every* video like she had been 🙂
      _(heh Ain't it funny, the seemingly trivial things we get accustomed to and "miss" immediately when we randomly notice it's curiously absent? 😋)_

    • @WoodworkerDon
      @WoodworkerDon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrrandomperson3106 She is working again, at least part time, at Ikea as she was looking for a bit of a change from doing nothing but videos.

  • @HypeLady92
    @HypeLady92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting I've been a subscriber for about 3 years

  • @rodzor
    @rodzor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good 👍

  • @johnfidler8151
    @johnfidler8151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Bro you guys are nuts I love it

  • @LA6NPA
    @LA6NPA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I want to see a test with different common threads! Like M8 vs 5/16, metric coarse, metric fine, UNC and UNF. And also M10 vs 3/8! I mean, I could look this up, but watching your videos is much more fun! Also, it would be interesting to see if there's a difference between pushing and pulling!

  • @fasteddie4107
    @fasteddie4107 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very interesting experiments. Your tests help inform me regarding the relative strength of things that I thought I knew well. Thank you for doing this and posting it. I like your accent, which is a big plus.

  • @Jrez
    @Jrez 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One thing thay makes a thread stronger is rarely discussed: extremely tight tolerances. There was a really interesting Japanese competition show called Supreme Skill and one of the episodes challenged different joining methods. The machining team discovered that square or acme threads actually were not the strongest, sharp standard threads where there were basically no tiny gaps between threaded parts, and as tight and small tolerances and as few gaps as possible, was the strongest.

  • @seanlathbury5410
    @seanlathbury5410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’ve always read that fine threads are stronger than a comparable bolt with course threads. If you get a chance, that would be interesting to see.

    • @ernestvillaflores3271
      @ernestvillaflores3271 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pitch dia of fine thread is greater than coarse thread, and area is a factor in strength.

  • @fluffycritter
    @fluffycritter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For years I've been wondering what you actually have the press for, so I'm definitely going to check that other video out.

  • @hannahighmark8036
    @hannahighmark8036 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is some of the best content on this channel for a while. I love these kinds of stress tests. Great video, thanks!

  • @stevenlatham4397
    @stevenlatham4397 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This was excellent, and produced a lot of relevant information.

  • @sadiqakbartaranwal
    @sadiqakbartaranwal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Congrats to everyone who is early And who found this comment 👏 ❤...

  • @JWSmythe
    @JWSmythe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Every time I watch these videos, I think to myself, I need a 150 metric ton hydraulic press. Not for any practical application, just to smash things. Maybe some paper embossing, and converting 3D prints to 2D. Our workshop is already full, so it would have to go into our living room. That seems like a reasonable place to put it.

  • @gregvarner9562
    @gregvarner9562 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    7:47 Really, really needed a headphone warning there. I now have tinnitus and I think I pulled a muscle jumping. I would be curious to see what happens with the same threads but on a longer (or wider depending on how you look at it) nut so that it's got more interlocking threads. Interesting video anyway.

  • @lokalnyork
    @lokalnyork 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Nice! Few days ago I saw memorial bell (probably around +200 kg of bronze casting?) bolted to it's harness with few measly screws (M12 by the looks of it?) and was wandering how strong that type of fixture is.
    Apparently, A LOT stronger than it need to be!

  • @scottinWV
    @scottinWV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is one the the top ten channels on YT! I've learned so much about the physical limits of materials by watching these videos.

  • @meaculpamishegas
    @meaculpamishegas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You outdid yourselves, that boom and the thread blow out was epic, and the cut away is especially neat to see

  • @TeslaMaster2
    @TeslaMaster2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Because of the size of the thread, especially on the M16, I would have guessed it could take not even a tonne of pressure... Almost 13 tonnes is incredible.

    • @karabinjr
      @karabinjr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you had to rely on that, taking safety margins into account.. You would be a fool to put more than 500 kg on it.
      Imagine a Ford Focus suspended on four M16' bolts. You like the feel of that?
      It's the kind of thing when the boss tells you to add more bolts without doing any math,
      and it is because the customer will not do the math either. It won't look good to anybody.

    • @Kumquat_Lord
      @Kumquat_Lord 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Threads are stupidly strong because of how much surface area there is between the two mating components.

    • @karabinjr
      @karabinjr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kumquat_Lord Stupidly strong compared to what?
      Threads are stupidly weak.

    • @Kumquat_Lord
      @Kumquat_Lord 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@karabinjr you can safely lift 2000 pounds easily with a single tiny 1/2"-13 bolt.

    • @karabinjr
      @karabinjr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kumquat_Lord Safely?... You are not an engineer and you did not understand what I was saying.

  • @CUBETechie
    @CUBETechie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well they are more suited for pulling 😁

  • @nomore6167
    @nomore6167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for posting this. As someone who knows very little about various fasteners, I have always wondered how strong nuts and bolts are, especially considering how often they are used in critical structures and safety equipment. This video was certainly eye-opening.

  • @wilsonrawlin8547
    @wilsonrawlin8547 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another excellent test! Usable data for people building equipment that require high structural strength. Grade of the bolt and nut makes a huge difference on strength. I only use grade 8 or higher for most of what I build and on automotive applications. Not worth risking failures with lower grade fasteners. Also the thread tolerances are critical as well. Sloppy grade 8 can fail before a higher precision grade 5.That large bolt was huge! I've seen very few applications using bolts that large on Rolling mills and heavy equipment.

  • @Astrohhh
    @Astrohhh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    7:45 omg that scared the shit out of me. I had my volume WAYYYY too high

    • @HydraulicPressChannel
      @HydraulicPressChannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I got also scared pretty well while filming. I am standing like 1.5 meters from this shit :D

    • @teddyroosevelt79
      @teddyroosevelt79 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HydraulicPressChannel Dude you play with thermobaric bombs for fun, I doubt it scared you much lol.

  • @jdgower1
    @jdgower1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Typically, most bolts are roll formed threads, while nuts (and other internal threads) are cut.
    Roll formed threads are usually much tougher than similar cut threads per unit volume, but with a bigger diameter on the nut threads and a smaller diameter of the bolt threads, this tends to equal things out a bit.
    Really good demonstration! I would like to see testing between course and fine threads of the same size and grade fasteners, and also the differences in each of comparable size, thread, and grade fasteners in metric and standard.

  • @fpskoda467
    @fpskoda467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7:43 literally stopped my heart for 3 seconds. was not expecting that

  • @cheesecurd100s
    @cheesecurd100s 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wondering pushing or pulling makes any difference 🤔 especially with torque to yield bolts

  • @thomasherzog86
    @thomasherzog86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i can only imagine how much those huge bolts cost.

  • @joes4655
    @joes4655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    would like to see 3d printed nuts tested, great entertaining video!!!

  • @h276wah7
    @h276wah7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "I think that we're not able to break this..."
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  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really depends on the material and the rating. There are huge differences in quality within the same size and configuration of nut and bolt

    • @samuelhedstrom2343
      @samuelhedstrom2343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Looked like they were all 8.8 bolts

    • @WaemYt
      @WaemYt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      its because bolt threads are often stronger since they are normally rolled where the nut thread normally is cut.

  • @clarky4492
    @clarky4492 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As an engineer I find this highly interesting, can you do smaller ones say m8 up to where you started

    • @saintless
      @saintless 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Smaller still, preferably. Would love to see a few M4 and M5 that are all over my bicycles. Either way, great content!

    • @gunner4544
      @gunner4544 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As an engineer, the smaller ones fail the same way…

  • @seethesvt
    @seethesvt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a cool test. You should try different thread pitches and see what happens.

  • @mcgirtICreality
    @mcgirtICreality 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I know I'd love to see the work videos! I like how precise machine work is.

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      @Rickitikitavi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @jasoncanon7311
    @jasoncanon7311 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about a universal thread? Thats been cut in both directions?

    • @funnyyylock
      @funnyyylock 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aren't they useless in actual use. Not saying that just curious. I would think that would be the case.

    • @jasoncanon7311
      @jasoncanon7311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@funnyyylock I'm just curious if it will do better or worse in this test, I don't really care about the actual use of the thread 🤣

  • @JakeSigalMixYT
    @JakeSigalMixYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This information is surprisingly useful, especially to a lay person like myself. Gives a good idea what these sizes can handle.

  • @intelboydj1
    @intelboydj1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:46 SNAP, just like brass cylinder broke, and flew through the window.

  • @JoeJ-8282
    @JoeJ-8282 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video as usual! Very interesting to watch!
    I would suppose that this kind of test and resulting info/failure data, has to be helpful for something or some industry out there!
    I would be curious to know the follwing:
    1. How the same kinds of bolts fared under stretching instead of compression, because that is how they're actually usually stressed IRL.
    2. Differences between different hardness grades of bolts/nuts, within the same diameter
    3. Differences between different thread pitches and types, within the same diameter
    If you also mentioned some typical uses for these bolts, it would be really cool info to know too!...
    I would really love to see a video of stress test comparing the bolts that are used for the very bottom structural foundations of tall skyscraper buildings, the mounting bases of extremely tall (100 meter plus tall) radio, cellphone, microwave, etc. towers, the mounting bases of extremely tall utility power line poles, like the kind that go cross country and directly out of power plants, also the kind used for the mounting bases of wind farm wind generator towers, very large bridges, epecially the large suspension types, the largest bolts that help hold together the very largest ships and cargo barges, etc... At least some of THOSE types of bolts mentioned above have to be some of the largest and strongest ones in the world, I would suppose!
    BTW, what is that one very largest bolt that you have there, (the black one that you didn't even attempt to crush), what is that one from, or what is it intended to be used for or on?

    • @seitenryu6844
      @seitenryu6844 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      All the strength numbers have already been found. There are typical ranges and values for every aspect of fasteners. Very rarely do we get to see testing to failure though. I'm curious if these values would change if permanent thread locker was applied.

    • @JoeJ-8282
      @JoeJ-8282 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@seitenryu6844 I realize those tests have already been done, (they would have to be, by the manufacturers, etc., for the safety of everything big), but I was just saying that it would be really cool to be able to actually see videos of exactly HOW they come up with those strength numbers, because I agree that it's extremely rare, (if not totally impossible), for the public to ever get to witness any kind of failure limit tests like that being done on camera!
      Not sure if threadlocker would change these kinds of results or not, but that is also a good question.

    • @seitenryu6844
      @seitenryu6844 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JoeJ-8282 Look up ultimate tensile strength testing. There are videos showing tension until failure. I guess more what you're getting at is, did they test bolts to come up with target strengths, or are these values calculated based on known material properties. Many tests aren't necessarily destructive, because you don't design safety critical items around UTS. You'd design way below that.

  • @At0micMeltd0wn
    @At0micMeltd0wn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just went to a hardware store and was wondering how strong these were when I walked past them, good timing!

  • @douglasmayherjr.5733
    @douglasmayherjr.5733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very Interesting to see how the fasteners failed. I would have thought the nut threads would have failed as well, if they are both the same grade or hardness. Your commentary always makes me laugh. Thanks for the fun and educational videos. I really appreciate them.

    • @paulg3336
      @paulg3336 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The force per linear mm on the root of a female (nut) thread is less than on the root of a male thread . This is because the root of a female thread has a larger ID . This means the bolt thread almost always fails before the nut.
      This video is not a good test because the nut and bolt are under a compressive load.

    • @jhidley1
      @jhidley1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paulg3336 Compression loads are the only ones that a bolt or screw is ever supposed to see. If it ever sees a shear load, then the joint design is defective.

    • @sjorsangevare
      @sjorsangevare 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jhidley1 I think bolts are way more likely to see tensile loads rather than compressive loads

    • @humanistwriting5477
      @humanistwriting5477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jhidley1 soft bolts are stronger in sheer force then tension, hardened bolts are stronger in tension then sheer.
      Bolts will see all three forces, but should see tension and sheer forces under normal use, and never compression.

    • @jhidley1
      @jhidley1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sjorsangevare Of course. I had a brain fart.

  • @rickyandersson6512
    @rickyandersson6512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love to see the more common sizes for the average person. M6 up to M12. Would be quite interesting to know how much each bolt around us can hold. Also the stretching force for the regular sizes maby even the force to cut off a bolt from 2 sliding peaces of metal with a hole in them. Anyway always fun videos. And greetings from Sweden heja heja

  • @70ccb442014con6591
    @70ccb442014con6591 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would love to see a fine vs. course thread comparison. Loved this press test on these bolts.

    • @PhilG999
      @PhilG999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be interesting to see! IIRC the fine threads are actually stronger (at least in tension).

  • @hosskatt-8317
    @hosskatt-8317 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love that you took the time to cut the Bolt in half. You have a true spirit of curiosity.

    • @glennllewellyn7369
      @glennllewellyn7369 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The modified grain structure of the steel in the bolt would look great under a microscope.

  • @joelgarcia3313
    @joelgarcia3313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Really good video, I’m just curious now what’s stronger metric bolts or standard, fine thread or corse, besides grade 5 and 8 bolts.

    • @rhyswoodman6781
      @rhyswoodman6781 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Metric IS standard where i come from.
      Imperial is old school and well out of date.

    • @joelgarcia3313
      @joelgarcia3313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rhyswoodman6781 yup there’s only about three countries that use the imperial system. But it works for us.

    • @rhyswoodman6781
      @rhyswoodman6781 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I agree what ever works for you.
      Although on an international level it can sometimes throw an (imperial) spanner in the works. 🤣 see what I did there.

  • @-ex2598
    @-ex2598 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should add a decibel meter as well, seems pretty damn loud that last one.

  • @EngineerNick
    @EngineerNick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice video :) I was taught that bolts should be designed to withstand sheer stresses if possible, and as a last resort in tensile/compressive situations. They are a lot stronger in sheer, and the failure tends to happen in the surrounding material, not the bolt. They are also less sensitive to tightening procedures that way, which are a big source of quality control problems. Could be cool to see some sheer tests with different thickness of plate :)

  • @RoxnDox
    @RoxnDox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a sales guy in a hardware store, mainly in the nuts and bolts section. This was a fascinating set of crush experiments!!

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  • @darthbiker2311
    @darthbiker2311 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how (unintentionally?) HPC videos like these are. Lure them in with a funny/interesting concept, and then you make them think: what is 150 tonnes going to do to ___? What's it actually done?

  • @matt_aviz
    @matt_aviz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These videos are always oddly satisfying. What amazes me is how, after all this time and so many videos, there are still so many things to (ethically) crush.

  • @JoeJ-8282
    @JoeJ-8282 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I see that you very quickly changed the title of this video, from the time I got a notification about it a few hours ago, until now, to make it less likely to be taken out of context... I would suppose that the words "HUGE Nuts & Bolts" as was originally in the title, was probably already getting WAY too many laughs and perverted comments, LOL!
    Great video as usual though, this kind of test has to be helpful for something or some industry!
    I would be curious to know the follwing:
    1. How the same kinds of bolts fared under stretching instead of compression, because that is how they're actually usually stressed IRL.
    2. Differences between different hardness grades of bolts/nuts.
    3. Differences between different thread pitches and types
    If you also mentioned some typical uses for these bolts, it would be really cool info to know too! Like having bolts that were used for the very bottom structural foundations of tall skyscraper buildings, the mounting bases of extremely tall (100 meter plus tall) radio, cellphone, microwave, etc. towers, the mounting bases of extremely tall utility power line poles, like the kind that go cross country and directly out of power plants, also the kind used for the mounting bases of wind farm wind generator towers, very large bridges, epecially the large suspension types, the largest bolts that help hold together the very largest ships and cargo barges, etc... At least some of THOSE types of bolts above have to be some of the largest and strongest ones in the world!
    BTW, what is that one very largest bolt that you have there, (the black one that you didn't even attempt to crush), what is that one from, or what is it intended to be used for/on?

  • @hippopotamus86
    @hippopotamus86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:30 - Needs a headphone warning. Holy crap!

  • @Ramitupyourkilt
    @Ramitupyourkilt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think M42 broke like that because hole was too big, bottom edge grabbed nut near outside edge, bent nut outward on bottom side and pinched top side. Yessss! Why don't you just bandsaw that largest bolt a little shorter so it fits? Love your show!

  • @BurkenProductions
    @BurkenProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What you leave out the largest bolt?!?! Even if you don't think it's gonna work you HAVE TO try it. Like wtf that was what we all were waiting for..... dislike video cos of that.

  • @PlanetRylosIV
    @PlanetRylosIV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LOL 😂
    I wasn’t even watching at the moment, cutting an onion for soup... started cracking up laughing at this while also crying from the onion!!! 1:56

  • @noeljochum
    @noeljochum 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Try different pitches with the same diameter or even a multiple pitches idk how you call it in english but it would be like M30 × 4 P4 so pitch 4 but with 4 flutes. I think you know what Iwan by now

  • @dobfelamancsod
    @dobfelamancsod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy how much that bolt can take. Imagine if a 1000 people stand in it and each of that people around 120 kilos. It still can hold it. Stupidly crazy.

  • @pablopicaro7649
    @pablopicaro7649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are ussually 3 classes of FIT between Nut & Bolt. they are different tolerances of fit. Tighter Tolerance should be stronger . Also different Thread pitch available.

  • @pamike4873
    @pamike4873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was very impressive in more ways than one. First, your estimates were almost perfect, and second, the pressure it takes to break the bolts/nuts. Awesome video!!

  • @oskarnorman176
    @oskarnorman176 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:39 ”The effect is the same, no matter the size”. That’s exactly what I needed to hear.

  • @wickideazy
    @wickideazy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    views will triple if you rename this video "Crushing DEEZ NUTZ."

  • @generaclesdey4622
    @generaclesdey4622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Useless Test!!
    Compression strength is not the problem! A Stress test (Pull, not Push) would be more relevant!!

  • @douglascoleman5588
    @douglascoleman5588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool story bro, now do tensile strength.

  • @AlenRukavina
    @AlenRukavina 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just specify the bolt grade (8.8, 10.9...) please

  • @Luscious3174
    @Luscious3174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only thing better than a hard bolt and a soft nut is a bigger hard bolt and two soft nuts - GF approved 😉😉😉

  • @genehunsinger3981
    @genehunsinger3981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "SAY hello to my LITTLE bolt"(he pulls out BOLTZILLA)...LOL

  • @tarmogr5801
    @tarmogr5801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be interesting to see which breaks first in a pull test. Would the bolt snap or thread strip?

  • @alexeytsybyshev9459
    @alexeytsybyshev9459 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:27 I heard that after a certain size, it is almost always soft, so no surprise there!

  • @greggkrueger
    @greggkrueger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you think it would've mattered if the nut was tightened? Perhaps adding a jam nut or piece of metal to tighten it against. Love your videos!

    • @JT-tz5hp
      @JT-tz5hp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The press provided the clamping force which is essentially the same effect as if the nut was tightened. A thread uses an inclined plane to provide clamping force in normal use. The nut/bolt system failed when the force applied by the press became greater than the max clamping force the nut could have sustained before stripping the threads if you were to tighten it conventionally using a wrench say.
      A jam nut should only double the resistance. Though it would be interesting to see if doubling the nuts did indeed increase in a linear fashion.

    • @The_Keeper
      @The_Keeper 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JT-tz5hp Probably nut ( :P ), its more likely inversely logarithmic due to the material strength not being doubled too.

  • @WaemYt
    @WaemYt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bolt threads are often stronger since they are normally rolled where the nut thread normally is cut.

  • @LateralNW
    @LateralNW 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and subject matter. Thanks for doing a cross section on the larger bolt. Satisfied my curiosity. Q. Would pulling the nut away from the head of the bolt be the same forces?

  • @michaelwesten1092
    @michaelwesten1092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    try making melamine boards with the press

  • @georgestyer2153
    @georgestyer2153 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting demo..great to see many opinions. Provokes really good engineering discussions

  • @andhon
    @andhon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you try this with grade 8 bolts?

  • @carolbritton5751
    @carolbritton5751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a mechanical Engineer I found this absolutely fascinating! My guesses on failure point were fairly close as well.

  • @severewindnoise
    @severewindnoise 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought this was Battlebots related at first

  • @freddyo2k10
    @freddyo2k10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video was nuts!!🤣🤣🤣