9980XE Overclocking Stream Recap: Massive MORA3 Radiator
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ย. 2018
- Our 9980XE overclocking livestream was a greater success than expected, with the 9980XE finally on high frequencies (and without sub-ambient!).
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The Intel i9-9980XE's overclocking potential was a genuine disappointment in our initial review, but the upside was that the limitations were entirely thermal. We were hitting TjMax at high frequencies and voltages, something that was avoidable on the 7980XE by way of delidding and liquid metal. Unfortunately, for the 9980XE, core-to-core deltas were great enough that we had to stop short of our OC goals on the CPU. With a massive radiator from Watercool, we found a way to push a big overclock without resorting to sub-ambient cooling.
Original 9980XE review: • Intel i9-9980XE Review...
PARTS USED FOR OVERCLOCKING BENCH
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EVGA X299 DARK Motherboard: geni.us/QIafWGR
Watercool MORA3 420mm (manf. site): geni.us/HVHYTm
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Could run an quite car fan on that (not norm noizy until you get the fan more then 50%) impressive radiator that has been made more specifically this time for a water cooling loop, always thought about picking up an actual car radiator
would not bother with rear small fans (have them in front or rear not both, sure not different sized fans if you are going to do both ) having the fans in the back pulling air is better for easier cleaning dust remove standpoint (for this test doesn't matter)
Oh jesus
I do have two MORA3 360, placed outside during summer to get heat out without AC. Easy to do with slightly more money needed compared to rads in case. Some QDs and more fans and a fan controller. Aquaero for example.
I have had that exact radiator for 8 years. I use it to get 4.3Ghz out of my 8 year old hex core i7 980x. It also cools the water block on my X58 chip set "UD7 Gigabyte" motherboard.
It's really good. I might add it sits behind my pc tower case on the floor.
And as you ran this, I broke the Cinebench R15 world record for watercooling using an i9-7980XE: #28 at this link -> --hwbot.org/benchmark/cinebench_-_r15/rankings?cores=18#start=0#interval=50
Finally! Someone is actually using automotive sized radiators for PC liquid cooling.
It's thicker than 95% of the aftermarket radiator
Is this the new Stock fan for Intel chips?
nope, this is chips, which intel will cooks
Knowing Intel you will get something more like this
pbs.twimg.com/media/DR6K65rUEAAX07l.jpg
@@shaolin95 actually i'm intel fanboy, may be nathan too, surprice z390ace/9700k/4x8@3600 15-15-15-35-2 lol yet?
@@shaolin95 why would amd fanboys be butthurt over intel scamming their costumers with 2yr old CPUs?
This is the compact version
2018 Glass Side Panels
2019 Air Cooling Radiator Side Panels
2020 RGB Air Cooling Radiator Side Panels
just two days ago thought about case-radiator :)
2021 RGB Air Cooling Radiating case
Linus made one before.
@@NothingXemnas I saw the video of the radiator case. It's actually really cool.
But on a more practical note.
I would like to see standardised side panels with radiators.
what about using a car fan and the radiator?
if a few years ago someone said me that "80ºC is reasonable" with this kind of cooling I would stare at him with a funny face... And here we are now.
Lol 1:50 cool artifact on the bottom right fan. Pun intended
i was about to ask, what's causing that? if it were from lighting PWM or camera frame rate jumps, i'd expect it to affect all 4. if it were from the fan physically changing speed i'd expect it to be a bit smoother and not an instantaneous jump (see 2:53)
In the live stream he mentioned one fan was a higher RPM model from Noctua. He reduced the RPM as best he could to match the other 3.
missing the Atari XDXD XD XD XDXD artifacts on the fan, must be just spinning at a slight different rpm from the others, lol.
That was cool in 360p. And then it wasn't in 1080😂
@@spambot7110 its the rotation rate syncronizing with the video's frame rate. the fan's position is captured almost at the same place everytime the camera records a frame. the sudden position change is probably another recording artifact (delay or frameskip from the camera itself, idk)
The MO-RA3 is really nice. I have had it cooling my PC for more than 7 years now. Yes it is still being produced (I think it came out in 2010 or 2011, as an improvement over their previous MO-RA2), some good products don't really need a new version. They also have many variations of it. The base is either 420 or 360 (roughly the width and length of the fin area in mm) and each has different frame and fan plate versions. The cheapest is the "Core" version which does not have any extra frame or fan plates but still has 4x M4 screw threads on each side for fixing your own frame/fan project.
I got the 420 Core (about 150 eur) in 2011 and currently have it hanging low on a wall about 1.5 meters right from my PC with 4x 200 mm very low RPM fans, so it is inaudible to where I'm sitting. My PC case is a DIY hardwood airtight cabinet and there are CPU and GPU blocks and a normal 360 radiator (3x 120 mm fans) in the loop. The internal radiator circulates air inside the cabinet, so it acts as a "reverse radiator" in that it cools the air and heats the water, taking care of all other heat from the components (except CPU and GPU). And so the external MO-RA3 dumps ALL the heat from the PC, and the PC will not get dust inside, and the wooden cabinet effectively blocks whatever noise is left from the fans, pump and PSU.
What pump are you using for the loop? Is a single pump enough?
@@avagreen9060 I use 2 Mo-Ra3 360 radiators and one 360 rad in my loop and use only one aquastream xt pump. at 3660 rpm (deadly quiet) the pump produces a flowrate of around 90 - 95 l/h.
B4Quattro Thanks for the reply, I completely forgot I made this comment lmao. This will definitely be helpful advice in the future. My MO RA dreams have been put on a slight hold, but will hopefully be realized in less than 9 months.
Sorry, didn't notice your replies before. I also have a single pump, the Phobya DC12-400 (I have a reservoir from a very old Thermaltake kit that is perfect for this pump), and I even use a manual speed controller to slow it down (to extend life and lessen noise). A water cooling loop needs very little flow to cool well.
@@pev_
The first time I've ever seen a setup like that was when DIYPerks made a PC like that (big rad outside, small rad inside to cool the inside air). I am quite sensitive to coil whine so I wanted to make something like that but I kept seeing comments that it wouldn't work.
Since you've been presumably running this way for a long time, may I ask if you'd recommend it? Are there any issues you came across/did you experience anything you'd consider useful knowledge for someone wanting to go this route? Do you have any fans inside the cabinet apart from ones on the radiator? (a fan pointed directly at the motherboard VRMs or something like that)
My biggest worry is that the radiator inside can only slow down the temperature rise inside the case and that the concept ends up failing after a long time under load.
"9900k with a reasonable price"
I don't think such a thing exist sir.
@RavenPrecept RR of CPU's... Yeah, more like Honda Civic with no seats and moded engine for the price of RR. Fast, but loud, unreliable and is for stupid people who think that moded Civic is a steal for 400k
The performance for value is reasonable.
I picked mine up for $420cdn last Black Friday
@@Mack_Dingo that's because it was outdated.
I have the same brand HX from Germany, bought it about 8yrs. ago but mine is 9x120 or 4x180 fans. I have mine sitting on the second floor of my house and in a window all connected with about 85 ft. of 1/2ID tubing single pump D5 Vario set at 7..3xTitans and a 5960 (running at 4.7GHZ) with a mono block all over clocked..and run around 115F in summer months and about 17F in winter months..17% Propylene Glycol to Distilled Water...approx 1.5 Gallons of solution. Amazing HX....Cool Video...Thanx for your time
Thanks for all the hard work and the great content you guys give us!!!
Yes, Ice Cube got a shout out !!!
watercool is a german company. mora: monster radiator
They make the best looking gear too.
@@MakinComputers Agreed so clean and built to last.
The monster part they got it right
I've been using my MO-RA3 for 6 to 7 years now, as an additional(/optional) external Radiator in every build i did, its a lovely cooling solution, allows me to turn the internal radiator fans off and makes everything nearly silent while also dropping the temperature. Also i use it completly passive until the water temperature has reached a certain delta to ambient and if i dont put a very long sustained workload on my pc the fans won't even turn on :D
Are you still doing this? I finally decided to go external radiator from now on so when I get a new PC I can just swap the connections over and keep using it. Other than cleaning and maybe replacing the occasional fan it seems pretty low maintenance.
I really appreciate these recaps as I dont have time to watch the livestreams!
I'm so glad I subbed to this channel. Nerd info plus high quality silliness
Great Job Steve and Crew - enjoyable to watch the frankenscience!
Love that Radiator, I'm going to have to get one! Thanks for the review!
Thank you for doing a stream recap. I am very interested in this process, but don't have time to watch several hours of video each time.
I was considering the Mo-Ra when I was putting together my external loop earlier this year. I liked the side mounted reservoir, and the proper feet. However, the 9x140mm version I had my eye on (the one Steve has here) just felt too big, and I couldn't get all the matching parts at the time.
I ended up with a Phobya Quad 480/560 and knocked together a mount. It sits under my desk with the fans blowing outward, so it's quite nice now that the weather has started getting cold again.
I'm happy with the results but I still think about the Mo-Ra from time-to-time.
Now I feel old. MORAs are super old actually and I remember them being often mounted on & covering the entire outer side wall of a case (usually the right one). At least here in the German watercooling scene they are fairly well known and the company who makes them are one of the go to watercooling shops too.
Phobya also makes or made such huge rads under the Nova/Supernova name. I use one in a bench stand and it's an absolute beast. The four 180 mm Silverstones I stuck on it seem to be there just for formal reasons ;)
Finally taking full advantage of the water cooling concept. I remember those zalman silent water towers, this is the next step.
When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie that a MO-RA3.
Guess what the box it comes in looks like
If that thing can also cool down my room during the summer, will definitely buy.
I had a MO-RA back in the day, was able to run tubing to my mATX case and had amazing temps on my 7970 and 4790k
Steve, what was the temp delta between the cores with this cooling unit. Was it as huge as in the actual review ?
Absolutely essential to put those fans in series because more fans = more fans!
replace your glass panel with a radiator panel.
Replace all panels with radiators, who needs a case.
@@backupplan6058 Should work but you would need a frame with filters!
Yes circle back around to 1998 cases!
@@backupplan6058 Linus built an all radiator case.
That's what the previous owner did with my two MO-RA2s. Mounted them on each side panel. It was pretty bad.
"Provided, you remove all other components...of the case" I had a big gut laugh from that one.
is the current clamp relatively instantaneous, and recorded by you at intervals or when it changes? or does the current clamp integrate the whole test?
Thanks for doing a recap video
Noctua fans
austrian engeneering for the win :D
I’m thinking about buying some Noctua fans for my Athlon XP machine. A 60mm for the cpu cooler, an 80mm for the front of the case, and a 92mm for the back. It’s loud with its stock fans(the hdd is still loud on its own though)
That puke brown though.
I am using that radiator, too, as an external cooling solution (attached the pump-reservoir combo to it's side) with just 4 large fans to get a basically absolutely silent setup. Moved it about 5m away from my pc, works like a charm :)
Phobya has a similar radiator called xtreme supernova.
Great! I'm gonna build my next 9980xe PC with this cooling system... Sarcasm aside, these videos are fun to watch, despite so exotic gear has no practical applications...
MoRas are awesome. it's such a beautifully brute force way of cooling absolutely anything
What is up with the pulsating fan @0:25 on the left? Is is spinning up and down, or is there an LED somewhere?
Would love to see you do a more updated RAM clocking/overclocking video. My GSkill 4266Mhz is unstable with my 9900k. Sometimes it works fine, then other times machine goes crazy.
the SA probably can't keep up with those clocks lol
@@bigdiglett3258 probably, was running 1.4v, the auto setting seemed high at 1.425v
was that your SA voltage? if so you might just have found a problem, if that was your dimm voltage you're fine
@@bigdiglett3258 DRAM voltage is rated at 1.4v, but I had better luck with 1.45v running at 3733 15-15-15-36 @ 1.4v atm
@@bigdiglett3258 yes, showed 1.394v in Windows/Bios after LLC adjustment.
The bottom right fan is almost perfectly synched to the camera's shutter speed
Steve Mora ist the short for MonsterRadiator :) nice to see u use it.
I had the idea of stacking thermoelectric chips for efficiency/cooling power. you can buy generic waterblocks in various sizes and I had one picked out that could hold 8 peltiers side-by-side. Never got around to modding it into my gpus, but 100 watts into 48 chips made a pretty good miniature air conditioner.
MoRa3 420
What is that matte black tubing and the actual fittings (not the qdc's)?
Having winters with down to -30 C I would place the cooler outside and run antifreeze in it! :)
Dammit Steve. Now Jay will be using the radiator from his 370z, with that A/C unit strapped to it. lol
@gamersnexus what would you consider to be a great full case tower as I'm in the market to upgrade.
Glorious.
Steve, I would like a video where you used this on a lower wattage CPU like a r5 2600x at stock and test the usability of a passive setup. And maybe test several CPUs until you find the threshold where the passive idea is no longer feasible.
Seems convenient. Is phase change cooling still a thing?
the thumbnail was all *punished steve* "they played us like a damn fiddle"
but then the video was like "kept you waiting huh"
The Mo-Ra (Monster Radiator) is great, particularly for silent builds. If you look at the large amounts of space between the fins, it's designed for low air pressure - this'll easily cool a couple hundred watts with those big 200mm fans running at their minimum 330rpm setting, where they're functionally inaudible.
When you pull out a car radiator to cool a CPU, you know you're doing some intense OC!
Steve, if you ran a thick layer of liquid metal on a delid, and then pulled the temperatures down to the point where it solidified, would it not behave as if the cpu was soldered or does the thermal properties of LM change that much when the state changes to solid?
As der8auer points out, Liquid Metal cracks once solidified, which is why overclockers use paste instead for LN2 and lower.
Where can I find the Tubing and clips on the CPU block?
Need to do a waterblock comparison, would like to see how the Corsair XC9 stacks up to everything else
a little concerned about the quick disconnect coupling might be restricting the flow significantly, would be nice to see a comparison with and without it
If I recall de8auer discovered the actual die is thicker and had a lot to do with it.
We talked about that already: th-cam.com/video/6RDL7h7Vczo/w-d-xo.html
der8auer mit ACHT
@@-eMpTy- sorry, there, acht.
The PCB, the IHS and the die are thicker. Even lapping all of those...You'll only get a 15°C reduction.
peacemaker. No. You are confusing things. That was for the 9900K compared to the 8700K. This is the 9980XE and the die has the same thickness as the 7980XE.
How large a radiator would you need to not need fans, provided ambient was controlled to say 23C?
The Watercool blocks I have for an EVGA 1080 FTW does not go past 38C max with a gaming load at 33C in a 23C room and keeps the boost at 2025 MHz steady with the CPU block in series as well.
Best looking blocks too!
I'm a huge fan!
Did you guys checked out the Aquacomputer Aqua Computer Giant 3360?
I've been looking at that radiator for a while. I'm pretty sure MORA stands for Monster Radiator.
Looks like you could mount the radiator in place of a side panel on an ATX case, like the O11 Dynamic or Darkbase 900
did that rubber tubing come with this rad (MORA3) or did you purchase it separately ? I like my hard tubing but its really a hassle to tinker with my setup then and i don't like the traditional clear soft tubing.
No radiator comes with tubing (not counting the AIO types). That would be stupid since the manufacturer cannot know what length on tubing your specific configuration would need!
@@pev_ except when it does come with tubing and isn't AIO like my recent kit was
This seems like a very nice solution for cooling your computer when you live in areas with low outdoor temperatures. Just run the hoses outside and into that thing. Since it's outside, you don't need to worry about noise, so just hook it up with two huge box fans for a push/pull configuration and run them at full speed. That'd also allow you to have a very effective filter in front of the air-intake to avoid clogging up the radiator.
I have done exactly that, including magnetic filter. Works well as expected, except for hot sunny days. It is rated for about 2kW but with the filter and not high performance fans, its about half with acceptable temp delta.
I enjoy the fact that the 9980XE runs so hot that people are considering temperatures of 80°C acceptable for it...Even with something close to a car radiator required to cool it.
This is pretty cool
When is this cpu release?
Similar to the cooling setup I have on my system: an external radiator box with three triple-120mm radiators, so 9x120mm instead of 9x140mm. And Watercool is a great brand as well. I've used their GPU blocks (currently use AquaComputer kryographics) and I have the HeatKiller IV as well on my 5820k. And with the blocks I have plus the 9x120mm radiator space, my GPU (GTX 1070) just breaks 40C at a ~2100MHz with +500 on the memory.
My system is currently down for maintenance and rebuild. But I changed out the thermal paste on the GPU from MX-4 to Thermal Grizzly's Hydronaut. Swapped out the thermal pads on the GPU for the Fujipoly as well, which should help with much better power delivery cooling. Meaning I might get a better overclock on the card. Or not.
Also using Hydronaut on the CPU. I think I previously had the Icy Diamond on it instead of the MX-4, so that should really help temperatures. I auto-overclocked the CPU through the BIOS and it took it to 4.1GHz. So I might go with manual overclocking this time to see where I can get it.
I have the Mo Ra 360 with 9 120mm fans to cool my system. Works great in point of silence.
also the is the "tubes down" philosophy practiced here, please? thanks
Apparently there is now a 1200RPM version of these NF-A20's sold on Watercool.de, but not listed on Noctua's website yet.
Good making sure that it didn't take off.
what kind of cooler is that on the m.2?
The real question is, why doesn't Intel publish accurate TDP specs for when your OC needs a custom industrial radiator with quad 200mm fans attached?
i get your point, but tdp is for stock operation
The real answer is, why should they?
what pump did you use?
Could you review the swiftech h360 x3?
OK, but when I need to top off the loop, do I use car coolant or...?
moo . I think he's joking, just not the best phrasing.
That Mo-Ra is pretty sweet. I bet sale of those will go up after being shown on Gamers Nexus.
Watercool also makes really good Waterblocks too, but they look pretty dated though. I'm using my MO-RA3 since 6 or 7 years now and i really love it. Something that is called "Monster Radiator"(Mo-Ra) just has to be good :D
The mo-ra was the highest rated monster rad for years. I think I bought mine in 2012.
I think, now you have to test the 7980XE with the mora :)
That bottom right fan is freaking me out.
can you achieve a similar clock with a *reasonable cooling solution*
Can you do some mods to make it a giant air cooler? Eg: copper pipe the thing and make it sit on the cpu
This would be really good for cooling something like a 8+ GPU rendering/ deep learning server. Especially if you were using dual die GPU's like the titan Z and some more recent AMD cards.
What is the case with best airflow that can fit Noctua NH - D15?
Silently? a r6 fractal with 3x noctua a12x25 fans in the front, dialed in for max rpm before being audible. remove rear fan grille with dremel.
Ima use that in my mini itx build
Do you think this will fit on my Honda?
So someone converted a honda civic's radiator to pc hose sizes on the outlet and inlet?
was always hoping for jay to do this but you did it first
I have that same memory and can't get it stable at more than 2666 :(
Maybe it's the Ryzen, maybe it's the mobo, but whenever I try to run with it clocked higher I get kernel errors.
Hey Steve, where's the Battlefield V with DXR ON benchmark?
With a radiator of this size that can fit nine 140s, I'm somewhat curious what a single 420mm fan would look and perform like.
I might be able to shoehorn that rad in to my AIR 540!
Nope I've tried it
@@andrewculverhouse8914 Well I guess I could always route it outside! Great for overclocking in the winter!
That bottom right fan messes with my mind
I am going to buy one as a secondary radiator to my dedicated ASIC LIAN Li 4500w all in one radiator and pump. This will be mounted to my return to my central heating. The fans will be turned on when the heating turns on. Also connecting to a diy copper heat exchange to warm water. LIAN Li radiator will be outside. This will make the entire system quite inside and manage the heat.
I want one of these radiators. I run a 7980XE at 4.8Ghz all (18) cores with 1.286 volts. And this is a little extra voltage that it even needs for AVX load stability. I also have G.Skill Trident Z Royal DDR4 4000Mhz CL15 4x8GB kit at 4,000Mhz CL15-16-16-30-1T-275 100% stable. Yes my CPU is delidded with LM. Very happy with my setup so far. I am considering direct die with standard thermal
Paste.
Is that one fan stilll or perfectly synced with the camera?
Haha, it seems to be synced. We had it at a different speed during this video.
cant you just mount it to the side case panel?
it fits in the caselabs magnum tx10 byou can turn it sideways with the mount if u want but wont be able to use fillports if u do, good rad tho runing 18x140
That car rad... seems like a good side panel
My problem with mora compared to other radiator solutions is its high restriction. But it can be convenient and cheap.
33ft2, what's that in a measurement normal people use?