The M1 carbine shined for jungle warfare in the Pacific theatre. At 100 yards or less it was all you needed and a hell of a lot lighter than the Garand to tote around in 100 degree weather. I love mine.
my grandfather carried a M1 Carbine during WWII when he was Airborne and he said he never had any issues with it. one shot one kill is what he said. the M1 Carbine was more than capable of killing the enemy when used by someone who knows what they are doing.
From what I was told by other Vets, the false belief that the carbine wasn't effective came from when a GI would shoot at an enemy and the enemy would keep going. They found out later than many of those accounts came from rear troops who weren't use to defending themselves in a combat situation. so often the shots would miss or the shot placement was horrible. As for those who relied on the M1 Carbine, they had nothing but praise for it.
It's always easier to degrade the cartridge than to simply say "I Missed". When a young man I worked with many WWII veterans who said if a carbine hit the ground it was scooped up quicker than a Hersey Bar. The higher capacity clips with more shots and less kick was enduring to many, including my Father who didn't care for having his shoulder pounded all day long with a 30/06, he loved his. /th-cam.com/video/ko_3X5mQSDo/w-d-xo.html
I frankly do not even believe the story of the 30 carbine only making the guy stumble, If you get shot 4 times with any bullet barring maybe .22lr your not going to be running very fast if your even still on your feet
I own a Universal M1 carbine. I like it more than my Remington built AR15. I have put hundreds of rounds through that little rifle and can count the failures on the fingers of both hands. Most of but not all being ammunition related and not the fault of the gun. As Ian pointed out in another video, the folks who disparage this fine gun are people who expect 30/06 performance at 500yds from a cartridge that has an effective range of 150- 200 yes Max. People were attempting to make it do things that it was never intended to do. So, I highly recommend this little carbine for ranges of 100yds or less. The 110gr jacketed bullet still has about as much energy at 100yds as a 357magnum has at the muzzle.
The only medal I have with the M1 Carbine is the expert qualifying medal the Air Force gave me in 1968. I owned one for many years. It was a GM model, and I loved it . It always worked flawlessly. Fortunately for me, I never had to kill anybody with it, so I can't attest to it's stopping power, but I'm pretty sure it would ruin your day to get shot with that "puny" 30 Cal. They weren't meant to be man stoppers, but when you're shooting a 15 round clip, they will slow somebody down. While in Vietnam in 67-68, I had a chance to talk with some Special Forces guys when I noticed that they carried M1 carbines instead of M16's. They said in the bush the M16 round might hit a twig and get demolished, but the 30 cal would go right through and continue to the target.
We have a Vietnam era M1 that my great uncle was issued, and it has never once failed us. We never do anything extreme with it, but it eats all of the cheap ammo. Also, our sight has never jiggled about and messed us up. I love our gun, and it is one of my favorite possessions, I just wish that ours had the bayonet mount, but it is pretty useless so no harm. I respect that you do not like the gun, but I do love mine, who knows, maybe we just have a good one.
I grew up with a 1943 Winchester M1 carbine. My father is a gun collector and gunsmith with an extensive collection, and this carbine was his choice as a camp gun in mountain and prairie conditions for decades (before being replaced by a Mossberg 590). AFAIK, he never had a problem (and if he did, he wouldn't have relied on it. Having personally put a few hundred rounds through it I never had a problem. My grandfather was on his college rifle team before he became a Marine officer in '39, and participated in the assault landings on Guadalcanal, Vella Lavella, Gavutu-Tulagi, and Iwo Jima. He left the Marines in '47, and then served as an National Guard officer until '57. He had no reservations about the M1 carbine (nor the Garand, nor the Thompson -- which he loved). He and many of the men he fought with carried it. He hunted deer with it on New Zealand. The only gun he used during WWII that he complained about was the M3 (which he threw into the sea and wrote off as "lost" when told to replace his Thompson with it). I know it's not the greatest gun in the world and the cartridge leaves much to be desired, but it's not the total POS your experience has led you to think it is.
Correction, Ruger made his company by using investment castings, not "injection" Castings, which is not a process that exists or would work for steel if it did exist.
I don't care what anybody says, my all around, go-to, behind the seat of the Jeep gun is an M-1 carbine. Mine is an original, though a few parts have been replaced due to normal wear. It has never let me down. I've shot everything from rabbits to coyotes to deer with it and it's the only gun I have owned that is just plain not for sale. I got it used from a guy back in the 60s and have carried it for half a century. I think the original owner was a GI who picked it up on a battlefield and smuggled it home. (A lot of guys did that. After a battle they were just laying around.) I never ran the serial number because I really didn't want to know.
I don't understand why someone would complain about the length of a video. All you have to do is stop watching it. I also don't understand why breaking the video up into two parts uploaded at different times helps anything. I love your channel and think you had it right the first time.
Out of the M1 carbine 18 inch barrel, the ballistics ( weight, speed, power) of the .30 are comparable to a .357 magnum bullet. I'm sorry, but I'm calling bs on that opening story.
Pretty sure the story was from the pacific theater with the Marines. I've always heard of the 30 carbine not having the penetrating ability to get through some of the camouflage that the Japanese would wear, especially on the Philippines. Most of what they would have on them was thick foliage, and the 30 carbine just can't go through it all sometimes. As in the story, 30-06 has plenty enough penetration to get through it. But against a man in normal uniform, it would have no issues.
JT Outdoors contrary to what you may believe.... the whole concept of stopping power is bullshit. In war the majority of the time when the enemy stops firing its due to a “psychological stop” aka Any injury be it shrapnel that’s not fatal or a .22 hit. The same is seen by law enforcement. It was well documented back when officers still carried 6 shooters that the majority of the recipient stopped after one shot.... regardless of whether the shot was fatal or not. This led to the whole .357 stopping power myth you talk about. .357 might not have stopping power as you define it. But it stops the enemy. As do most bullets weaker and stronger than it.
My original Rockola has the same issues with the rear sight. In fact i could fully remove it just by pushing it left or right in the groove. That being said, its had a few FTF using original USGI mags and ammo. However, its a fun little rifle to shoot with minimal recoil, weighs next to nothing, and is compact. Can't wait to watch Part 2. Good work as always guys.
My brother has an M1 Carbine for James River Armory and it has the same problem with the rear sight just like the one in the video, haven't looked at the front sight yet but I will now after watching this video. Thanks for the info!
I love the feature-length videos you guys produce, so I don't see much reason for the video to be split into two parts. Anyone can pause and come back at any time. I wouldn't care if there was an extra ad right in the middle of a 30 minute piece. It's all good, though. I might be in the minority on this one.
+Perforator2000 I suspect it is pressure. Other channels do it in this format, because that's the best way to monetize TH-cam videos; multiple viewing sessions. Ian, and Carl often seem to experiment with their format aswell, so maybe this is just a natural progression. It could also be that they need more time to finish editing the next segment.
+thebigone545 I figured those were the main reasons they did it. I've seen a lot of other channels doing similar stuff as well, such as making mostly short videos. It's not my favorite format but they have to do what works to grow a channel.
It also allows them to do a bunch of the editing and other post production work on the first half beforehand, getting it out the door sooner than if it was bundled to be an hour. To some degree it also allows viewers to use smaller chunks as it has a designed split point, rather than wanting a complete empty hour (which happens less often), so it probably helps boost total watch time.
I have an Iver Johnson Plainfield M1 Carbine I bought new in 1978. It has been a great gun for me. I did put a GI rear sight and M2 magazine catch on it. I have never had the problem you had with the rear sight. I ended up putting a Choat folding stock on it in 1985 just before the Assault Weapon hysteria. Once the price of AR15's came down in price the Carbine has been obsolete, but still fun.
I have a Universal Carbine and I love it. the first three rounds tend to be temperamental but once the gun is warmed up its good to go. The sight picture is wonderful with original ww2 type sights. Great groundhog gun for on the tractor!
I have a USGI '42 produced Rock Ola M1 with the flip sights, and it is rock solid, and shoots right on. Also, I have no problem seeing the front sight over the wood.
The issues with the carbine come when its compared against the battle rifles. That's incorrect. It's a replacement for a pistol when you are in a crew served position etc etc. Also if you are an officer and your primary function is directing 30 other soldiers, not shooting yourself. When carrying a mortar bar plate an M1 Garand is too heavy and you are unlikely to be able to perform your primary function. Yes, it needs to be more reliable, no argument. But it's not a battle rifle and should not be compared in terms of accuracy or stopping power.
Whitpusmc if you more accurately call it a compact PDW that has the power of a .357 magnum rifle. More powerful than a submachine gun, more range and more powerful than a full sized rifle
all these amateurs have a lot of opinions but no practical experience. carry one for 2 yrs in the jungle and your opinion will change. the viet cong would have given anything to have one.
Ian, you know I love you, but you and this guy make a wonderful team and I encourage you two to consider partnering up. You two have great rapport, he has charisma and humor, and your repartee is the equal of any screwball comedy. Why not commit to a series of five videos on very popular firearms, e.g., Garand, M16, 1911, Makarov, AK47. See how it goes. Always wishing you the best...
You must remember what the "carbine" was designed for: personnel who were in "the rear". That being said, my counterparts in beautiful SEA managed to put down NVA at 200 yards with one shot stops!! Some at 250 yards or so. Shot placement counts!!!
My buddy's grandpa served in WW2 and was a japanese american, he carried an m1 carbine. I got to hold it and realized for the first time, how small it actually was. Seeing all the dents in the wood had me thinking what this gun may have seen. What I thought was even cooler was how he still had the original ammo for it, from way back then. He has not shot the gun and will not. No matter the type of ammo but I still thought it was amazing to see and hold one from the war in person. I'm a big ww2 buff and will get an m1 garand. More than likely rebuilt but still, I want one of those more than almost anything.
My grandad was on Guam in WWII as a first Sergeant in a communication company in the 77th infantry and he liked the carbine because when he needed it, the range was point blank and aiming was pointing. It went bang and he lived.
The old FMJ .30 carbine round might have had problems dispatching Korean soldiers with their thick (for the weather), clothing but my Inland 1945 using PPU SP ammo bagged me a VERY large mule buck deer last fall with a single shot and it fell where it was hit with one shoulder shattered and the top of its heart and both lungs shot out. Hell, I love my new issue Inland 1945 variant and am really glad that I bought an early model before Inland really raised the prices. They are superb re creations however and make the Kahr/Thompson re creation look like the junk it is. Screw the surplus guns except as investment items, for a "user" the Inland is one superb little carbine that is fun as hell to shoot. AIM also has very affordable and very well performing PPU ammo in both FMJ and SP form at really nice prices. Freedom Munitions offers FMJ for a good price too and if ya buy over $100 worth you get either free or really low cost shipping. The new Inland M1 Carbines are superb little guns!! I might recommend eventually taking yours to a gunsmith to lighten/tighten the trigger pull a bit but the factory trigger isnt bad and is lighter than the mil surp versions. Also all the old parts will fit in the Inland!
Just read that the heavy insulated N. Korean/Chinese winter clothing was one issue that lessened the effectiveness of the round. You could be right and it may be scuttlebutt from returning soldiers. It is certainly not an extremely potent round but is more potent than say the .44mag handgun round and I KNOW it is potent enough in SP form to drop a large western Wisconsin mule deer in its tracks with a well placed shot.....managed that last fall. Screw it, it is a fun as hell gun to shoot and ammo can be found that isnt tremendously expensive.
I inherited an Alpine M1 made in CA. They were $80 new. I mistakenly got greedy and sold it for $500. It was a great shooter. Good mags were crucial. I had a round burst out of battery on me, using a bent 5rn mag. Glasses are recommended when shooting these. It would absolutely blast a rabbit, where's my .223 AUG (55grain FMJ) they would just walk away annoyed!
Maybe I got lucky but we built one from a receiver my Grandpa brought home from WWII and it runs great. It's a Criterion barrel and aftermarket stock, but everything else is USGI. I had feeding issues initially and noticed a bit of mag wobble. I put a M2 mag catch and a Wolff extra power recoil spring in, and I can't remember the last time I had a malfunction with my reloads, PPU, and Herters/Tula steel cased.
I have a Universal, and it's a great shooter. Off the bench it's quite accurate. Shooting offhand, it's just a bit too light, but it's reliable and quite fun to shoot.
It's probably old hat for you guys but I'd like to see this put up against its Soviet counterpart, the SKS. Sure they're outdated and crude with at best bad sights but I enjoy the old 7.62 carbine. Love the videos.
I start videos all the time I can't possibly complete, and then finish the video on another computer/device later at a different location. And it usually fires back up within seconds of where I left off. That is much preferable to watching a half-complete video. This is reminiscent of TH-cam in the stoneage with 10 minute limits.
The M1 Carbine is a great home defense weapon, and is a good lightweight rifle that obviously fit the role of radio men, tankers and those who had special equipment.
I actually own one of those kinda crappy Universals- an early production one that still uses a USGI trigger group. It's alright, but yeah- I can understand a lot of your gripes. At the same time, it's a second-line rifle, and it's goddamn handy. I need a new stock set for mine, but I enjoy it for what I do (which is putting holes in targets, don't much care about accuracy as long as I'm hitting)
I looooove... that eight times Blam and a final Pimg t-shirt, the problem is that in the rest of countries (as mine, Spain) nobody would understand what it has to do with a Garand or even any rifle.
I have a gold medal that I wear around the house, from having won my class at USPSA 3-gun nationals, using a M1 Carbine (hitting 12" targets at 350 yards with a three-minute gun is hard). Don't agree at all with the (lack of) reliability concerns. I've found 30rd mags to be a 50/50 proposition - they either work or they don't - but I've never had functional issues with any 15rd mag. Of course, I don't use any of that furrin ammo, either!
about the reliability you should try taking the mag spring out and turn it around so the last loop faces the back of the mag and see if you get any hangs afterwards
I've always loved the look of the M1A1 paratrooper carbine and the sound of that bolt. But I've never held one and only held a WWII era gun with some blood rust on the receiver
Maybe I just got lucky, but I've had nothing but good experiences with my inland. Yes, it has maybe one malfunction every hundred or so rounds, but what m1 doesn't, and I thought the build quality was excellent.
I have an Inland carbine and a Winchester carbine. They both have worked flawlessly for me. The only fails were due to crappy commercial magazines. Those parkerized GI magazines are the only ones that work properly. I have shot deer, cows and hogs with a carbine and have never needed more than one shot. I'm not surprised by all these unfavorable combat reports, because there are so many 'experts' who have nothing good to say about the M1 Garand as well. I wish they would tell me just where their 'hits' were striking these unhurt enemy soldiers. In fact, I shot the deer with a universal carbine at eighty yards. The bullet went right through the shoulder blade and right through his spine and he went right down. I have never had one of these jokers accept my offer to let me shoot at them with my carbine. Granted, they weren't made to be an accurate arm to begin with but I consistently hit a three pound coffee can at 100 yds. off hand and kneeling. I can't see anything smaller than that at that range. Lesson learned-i'll not be running out to trade in my wartime carbines for any newly made thing from here or Israel.
logan pollock i agree. I have six 30 round military grade steel magazines from Fulton Armory and they work flawlessly with my modern made Auto Ordinance M1 Carbine.
Seen a documentary and it showed you people saying it has no stopping power is a myth. Obviously it can't match bigger calibres but at close range ie the jungle it had a high velocity and made some impressive damage.
The M1 Carbine is the missed opportunity for the United States. Had they gone to a beefy bottle necked cartridge .30 intermediate cartridge similar to the Czech 7.62x45 vz.52 cartridge. It could have been an effective assault rifle. But I understand the school of thought concerning firearms within the US military.
donald Robertson yes but the military was completely invested in .30 cal manufacturing. It was faster and more cost effective, two qualities which are often overlooked when trying to understand arms development
Ok, 9:30 said all I needed to hear, "If you LEAVE YOUR FRONT SIGHT LOOSE...", first off, that's total incompetence and if you LEFT YOUR MAGAZINE improperly seated, in any other rifle, you'd expect for it to jam or drop out...WHOLE LOT of 'predisposed hate' on the M1 here! I mean, come on, walking into a 'shelf-drawn' stock rifle, you are GOING TO FIND PROBLEMS! I've had to polish down feed ramps on $2,000 pistols before! This is why they ISSUE WEAPONS in the military...so that rifle 123456 is YOUR WEAPON! You have a problem, you report it to the armorer! IT GETS FIXED! If you own it, you take it to a gunsmith or fix it yourself! Pulling it out of a box and saying, 'wow, the rear sight floats if it isn't tight' is disingenuous...and REEKS of 'planned bad review'. Opening the video to a report of shooting someone 4-times in combat with an M1 and then making the shot with a Garand isn't fair, either...since the M1 was designed to be a SUPPORT WEAPON for use in place of the 1911 pistol, NOT A GARAND REPLACEMENT! Hickock45 does an EXCELLENT HISTORY and review of the M1 in one of his videos...maybe you should go watch his video first...he also fires it on his range with AMAZING ACCURACY that betrays almost EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY about the M1...and they are HIS M1's, too...not some 'off-the-shelf draw' rifle that someone decided to test.
I have a later model Universal and I really enjoy it. It’s odd though from my experience steel case works better than brass (which I’ve experienced lots of feed and extraction issues with). I can hit a man sized target at 400 yds. Good, fun little gun but I don’t know if I’d trust my life with it.
I had a commercial variant made by IAI fire out of battery on me, blew the bottom of the mag out and hot gas peppered my forehead. Gunsmith said the receiver was soft and no good. Nice of them to remove some of the safety features that would prevent such actions from happening.
I don't know if it's still the case but some of the parts are not mil spec and not interchangeable with the military carbines. Inland and Auto Ordnance were getting their receivers from the same supplier and they were having issues with warped receivers.
My father's friend left his issued M1 Carbine in his tool box and kept a sidearm instead during the Vietnam war. One of my first jobs, my boss said he ditched his for a Garand on Pork Chop hill after he ran out of ammo and never switched back. They both had different roles and fought in different wars but both had the same opinion after using them in combat. Those two comments by those two men have stuck with me all these years. Still I've always wanted one just because it looks cool. Thank you for the review. Question: The sights are just on the Inland and if I want the original sights I need to hunt done a original production?
I have an INLAND-- M-! CARBINE , purchased in 1965 from the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOC. I have killed SNAKES, RABITS, GOPHERS, SQUIRRELS, A N D MANY TIN CANS with it. It has NEVER MALFUNCTIONED, FAILED TO FIRE, ETC.ETC. I guess it WAS ONE of the EXCLUSIVE , HIGH PRICED, SPECIAL , units. --- I PAID $15.00 for it .
InRangeTV As in, your score is pretty damn impressive! But Ian's reaction was pretty funny. Sorry if you think I am laughing at your medal, but I am laughing at Ian's anti climatic response.
Hay I love like my Universal M1 Carbine. 60% of the time its works every time. Thow it works perfectly if I don't use any GI mags just these 4 round plastic single stack mags.
I have a rocola and have none of the issues y'all are complaining about. Also mine is original and has adjustable sights that don't move involuntarily. The only Carbine I've personally had issues with is my first one and it was a universal.
Nice shades Karl, it just reminded me of a specific picture. You should look up "Heavily armed Bosnian Serb soldiers patrol through a field near the town of Srebrenica" on google images
As for the story about the man who fired four rounds at a running enemy soldier that was eventually stopped by one round from a 30 06 M1 Garand it clearly reminds me of when I trained several Michigan State Police when they transferred to semi-autos. Holes in the air will not suffocate the son of a gun. I couldn't tell you how many times I had to tell these guys that. The M1 carbine has about the equivalent Power Of a 357 Magnum out to about a hundred and fifty yards. If you hit somebody with it, and it's a solid hit, they will go down. The 357 Magnum is the best first shot fight stopper in a pistol cartridge still to this day. In a round that's just above the weight of an M1 carbine round. Yes the hollow point does make a little bit of difference. But the M1 carbine was a favored Weapon by our enemy, the Nazis when they got a chance to get a hold of them. The biggest problem the M1 carbine had is the 30 round magazines were junk. Anybody who knew anything about the weapon in World War I always replace the 30 round magazines with brand new ones as soon as they could oh, every time they could. And they threw the old ones away. It was probably a problem with the Metallurgy or the heat treat of the springs in those 30 round magazines. Regardless of the reason they didn't work well with them. If I were to build an M1 carbine for close-quarters combat, I would probably load it with 85 grain 32 Caliber hollow points after making sure they were size properly for the cartridge and I. That would make a wicked little short-range carbine.
There is an orginal black and white video of us troops in the field during ww2... In one clip, there's 2 fellas shooting prone. One's shooting an m1 garand working perfectly, the other is shooting a carbine and literally has 3 malfunction's before he can let one send down range then the camera suddenly turns off after that hahaha
My heart broke a bit when we sent Twinkies over the boarder..
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I love my M1. As an NRA instructor is it my go to for training girls and kids(and everyone). I have shot through over 8 2X4 with it. I have never had a jam. Maybe it is manufacturing ease issues? I own 3.
My National Ordnance will actually out shoot my "original" M1 carbines. It's basically one of the roughest guns ever also. Don't see to many around. I actually really like shooting the carbine, under 100 yards it's just fine.
I just noticed that when Ian cleared the M1 the cartridge landed in his pocket. That was a nice trick.
I had to rewind that to make sure I saw that, awesome lol
Aren't they suppose to?
It's at 9:06 for those wondering.
@@RavensEagle just to be a pain... it's between 9:10 and 9:11 ;-)
He obviously meant it but was too modest to draw attention to it?
"why do you hate America" -Ian
that was funny xD
If he said he didn't know what an M1 was.... Then, then he would be an America hater lol.
The M1 carbine shined for jungle warfare in the Pacific theatre. At 100 yards or less it was all you needed and a hell of a lot lighter than the Garand to tote around in 100 degree weather. I love mine.
my grandfather carried a M1 Carbine during WWII when he was Airborne and he said he never had any issues with it. one shot one kill is what he said. the M1 Carbine was more than capable of killing the enemy when used by someone who knows what they are doing.
+Robert Williams Good enough for your pop and Audy Murphy both. Well, the carbine was, the airborne would not take Mr. Murphy. ;-)
From what I was told by other Vets, the false belief that the carbine wasn't effective came from when a GI would shoot at an enemy and the enemy would keep going. They found out later than many of those accounts came from rear troops who weren't use to defending themselves in a combat situation. so often the shots would miss or the shot placement was horrible. As for those who relied on the M1 Carbine, they had nothing but praise for it.
It's always easier to degrade the cartridge than to simply say "I Missed". When a young man I worked with many WWII veterans who said if a carbine hit the ground it was scooped up quicker than a Hersey Bar. The higher capacity clips with more shots and less kick was enduring to many, including my Father who didn't care for having his shoulder pounded all day long with a 30/06, he loved his.
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I frankly do not even believe the story of the 30 carbine only making the guy stumble, If you get shot 4 times with any bullet barring maybe .22lr your not going to be running very fast if your even still on your feet
@@nonyabeezwacks6466 unlikely even with .22
Karl looks like he's about to drop a hot new rap album
I own a Universal M1 carbine. I like it more than my Remington built AR15. I have put hundreds of rounds through that little rifle and can count the failures on the fingers of both hands. Most of but not all being ammunition related and not the fault of the gun.
As Ian pointed out in another video, the folks who disparage this fine gun are people who expect 30/06 performance at 500yds from a cartridge that has an effective range of 150- 200 yes Max.
People were attempting to make it do things that it was never intended to do. So, I highly recommend this little carbine for ranges of 100yds or less. The 110gr jacketed bullet still has about as much energy at 100yds as a 357magnum has at the muzzle.
Only hundreds of rounds? Are you one of those "experienced" persons that has fired less than 1000 rounds of ammo their whole lives?
>opens the video
>Karl yelling at me like an armed Billy Mayes
+Vypr The M1 is definitely cooler than a ShamWow. ~Karl
+InRangeTV and way WAY cooler than a zorbeez!
The only medal I have with the M1 Carbine is the expert qualifying medal the Air Force gave me in 1968. I owned one for many years. It was a GM model, and I loved it . It always worked flawlessly. Fortunately for me, I never had to kill anybody with it, so I can't attest to it's stopping power, but I'm pretty sure it would ruin your day to get shot with that "puny" 30 Cal. They weren't meant to be man stoppers, but when you're shooting a 15 round clip, they will slow somebody down.
While in Vietnam in 67-68, I had a chance to talk with some Special Forces guys when I noticed that they carried M1 carbines instead of M16's. They said in the bush the M16 round might hit a twig and get demolished, but the 30 cal would go right through and continue to the target.
9:10 I'm still amazed at that cartridge jumping out and landing in Ian's chest pocket.
We have a Vietnam era M1 that my great uncle was issued, and it has never once failed us. We never do anything extreme with it, but it eats all of the cheap ammo. Also, our sight has never jiggled about and messed us up. I love our gun, and it is one of my favorite possessions, I just wish that ours had the bayonet mount, but it is pretty useless so no harm. I respect that you do not like the gun, but I do love mine, who knows, maybe we just have a good one.
I grew up with a 1943 Winchester M1 carbine. My father is a gun collector and gunsmith with an extensive collection, and this carbine was his choice as a camp gun in mountain and prairie conditions for decades (before being replaced by a Mossberg 590). AFAIK, he never had a problem (and if he did, he wouldn't have relied on it. Having personally put a few hundred rounds through it I never had a problem. My grandfather was on his college rifle team before he became a Marine officer in '39, and participated in the assault landings on Guadalcanal, Vella Lavella, Gavutu-Tulagi, and Iwo Jima. He left the Marines in '47, and then served as an National Guard officer until '57. He had no reservations about the M1 carbine (nor the Garand, nor the Thompson -- which he loved). He and many of the men he fought with carried it. He hunted deer with it on New Zealand. The only gun he used during WWII that he complained about was the M3 (which he threw into the sea and wrote off as "lost" when told to replace his Thompson with it). I know it's not the greatest gun in the world and the cartridge leaves much to be desired, but it's not the total POS your experience has led you to think it is.
Karl: I think Hostess makes those in Mexico now.
Ian:...umm...
*jump cut
Correction, Ruger made his company by using investment castings, not "injection" Castings, which is not a process that exists or would work for steel if it did exist.
+Martin Collmer Yeah, a mis-speak. Good catch, thanks! ~Karl
Is anybody here know where to buy a m1 carbine? I like to have one for display or keep it for an antique. Thanks
I don't care what anybody says, my all around, go-to, behind the seat of the Jeep gun is an M-1 carbine. Mine is an original, though a few parts have been replaced due to normal wear. It has never let me down. I've shot everything from rabbits to coyotes to deer with it and it's the only gun I have owned that is just plain not for sale. I got it used from a guy back in the 60s and have carried it for half a century. I think the original owner was a GI who picked it up on a battlefield and smuggled it home. (A lot of guys did that. After a battle they were just laying around.) I never ran the serial number because I really didn't want to know.
I don't understand why someone would complain about the length of a video. All you have to do is stop watching it. I also don't understand why breaking the video up into two parts uploaded at different times helps anything. I love your channel and think you had it right the first time.
While I prefer the longer videos, any InRange content is good enough for me
9:12 Ian ejects a round straight into his breast pocket..... No reaction! Now that's an operator.
You guys are really something. I hope you get as much joy making these as the information and fun we have watching.
Out of the M1 carbine 18 inch barrel, the ballistics ( weight, speed, power) of the .30 are comparable to a .357 magnum bullet. I'm sorry, but I'm calling bs on that opening story.
M McLaurin80 there was a guy who got shot in the head in ww1 and lived I completely believe the beginning story
Pretty sure the story was from the pacific theater with the Marines. I've always heard of the 30 carbine not having the penetrating ability to get through some of the camouflage that the Japanese would wear, especially on the Philippines. Most of what they would have on them was thick foliage, and the 30 carbine just can't go through it all sometimes. As in the story, 30-06 has plenty enough penetration to get through it. But against a man in normal uniform, it would have no issues.
Contrary to what you may believe, 357 magnum is terrible at stopping power, especially when your other option is an M1 Garand.
Full metal jacket i expect.
JT Outdoors contrary to what you may believe.... the whole concept of stopping power is bullshit. In war the majority of the time when the enemy stops firing its due to a “psychological stop” aka Any injury be it shrapnel that’s not fatal or a .22 hit. The same is seen by law enforcement. It was well documented back when officers still carried 6 shooters that the majority of the recipient stopped after one shot.... regardless of whether the shot was fatal or not. This led to the whole .357 stopping power myth you talk about. .357 might not have stopping power as you define it. But it stops the enemy. As do most bullets weaker and stronger than it.
My original Rockola has the same issues with the rear sight. In fact i could fully remove it just by pushing it left or right in the groove. That being said, its had a few FTF using original USGI mags and ammo. However, its a fun little rifle to shoot with minimal recoil, weighs next to nothing, and is compact. Can't wait to watch Part 2. Good work as always guys.
Personally I don't mind the longer format, but I'll withhold judgement until part 2 comes out. Cheers guys.
Agreed.
+SdKfz 2 part 2 has been out for awhile on Full30
Yep, sat that. Solar, I clicked on the link. Thanks.
I second this
Carl, you're loosing a ton of weight. Good job.
+jittychitty I thought the same right now.. either that, or the cloth were way oversized ;).
My brother has an M1 Carbine for James River Armory and it has the same problem with the rear sight just like the one in the video, haven't looked at the front sight yet but I will now after watching this video. Thanks for the info!
+LifeOfaReloader Interesting. This seems to be a flaw in the design, we've heard from people with originals doing the same thing. :( ~Karl
Its shoots very well but the sight tho, even with loctite on it, it came loose. I made some reloads for it the other day so i'll be shooting it soon.
I love the feature-length videos you guys produce, so I don't see much reason for the video to be split into two parts. Anyone can pause and come back at any time. I wouldn't care if there was an extra ad right in the middle of a 30 minute piece. It's all good, though. I might be in the minority on this one.
+Perforator2000 I suspect it is pressure. Other channels do it in this format, because that's the best way to monetize TH-cam videos; multiple viewing sessions. Ian, and Carl often seem to experiment with their format aswell, so maybe this is just a natural progression. It could also be that they need more time to finish editing the next segment.
+thebigone545 I figured those were the main reasons they did it. I've seen a lot of other channels doing similar stuff as well, such as making mostly short videos. It's not my favorite format but they have to do what works to grow a channel.
It also allows them to do a bunch of the editing and other post production work on the first half beforehand, getting it out the door sooner than if it was bundled to be an hour. To some degree it also allows viewers to use smaller chunks as it has a designed split point, rather than wanting a complete empty hour (which happens less often), so it probably helps boost total watch time.
I have an Iver Johnson Plainfield M1 Carbine I bought new in 1978. It has been a great gun for me. I did put a GI rear sight and M2 magazine catch on it. I have never had the problem you had with the rear sight. I ended up putting a Choat folding stock on it in 1985 just before the Assault Weapon hysteria. Once the price of AR15's came down in price the Carbine has been obsolete, but still fun.
I have a Universal Carbine and I love it. the first three rounds tend to be temperamental but once the gun is warmed up its good to go. The sight picture is wonderful with original ww2 type sights. Great groundhog gun for on the tractor!
Shooting groundhogs from the tractor?! I want your life❤
I have a USGI '42 produced Rock Ola M1 with the flip sights, and it is rock solid, and shoots right on. Also, I have no problem seeing the front sight over the wood.
The issues with the carbine come when its compared against the battle rifles. That's incorrect. It's a replacement for a pistol when you are in a crew served position etc etc. Also if you are an officer and your primary function is directing 30 other soldiers, not shooting yourself. When carrying a mortar bar plate an M1 Garand is too heavy and you are unlikely to be able to perform your primary function. Yes, it needs to be more reliable, no argument. But it's not a battle rifle and should not be compared in terms of accuracy or stopping power.
Whitpusmc if you more accurately call it a compact PDW that has the power of a .357 magnum rifle. More powerful than a submachine gun, more range and more powerful than a full sized rifle
all these amateurs have a lot of opinions but no practical experience. carry one for 2 yrs in the jungle and your opinion will change. the viet cong would have given anything to have one.
9:10 When he clears the rifle he drops the round right into his pocket and doesn't even notice... Swag without trying.
Ian, you know I love you, but you and this guy make a wonderful team and I encourage you two to consider partnering up. You two have great rapport, he has charisma and humor, and your repartee is the equal of any screwball comedy. Why not commit to a series of five videos on very popular firearms, e.g., Garand, M16, 1911, Makarov, AK47. See how it goes.
Always wishing you the best...
You must remember what the "carbine" was designed for: personnel who were in "the rear". That being said, my counterparts in beautiful SEA managed to put down NVA at 200 yards with one shot stops!! Some at 250 yards or so. Shot placement counts!!!
My buddy's grandpa served in WW2 and was a japanese american, he carried an m1 carbine. I got to hold it and realized for the first time, how small it actually was. Seeing all the dents in the wood had me thinking what this gun may have seen. What I thought was even cooler was how he still had the original ammo for it, from way back then. He has not shot the gun and will not. No matter the type of ammo but I still thought it was amazing to see and hold one from the war in person. I'm a big ww2 buff and will get an m1 garand. More than likely rebuilt but still, I want one of those more than almost anything.
Does anybody want to talk about how cool Ian's clearing of the weapon is at 9:10? Right in the pocket.
My grandad was on Guam in WWII as a first Sergeant in a communication company in the 77th infantry and he liked the carbine because when he needed it, the range was point blank and aiming was pointing. It went bang and he lived.
The old FMJ .30 carbine round might have had problems dispatching Korean soldiers with their thick (for the weather), clothing but my Inland 1945 using PPU SP ammo bagged me a VERY large mule buck deer last fall with a single shot and it fell where it was hit with one shoulder shattered and the top of its heart and both lungs shot out. Hell, I love my new issue Inland 1945 variant and am really glad that I bought an early model before Inland really raised the prices. They are superb re creations however and make the Kahr/Thompson re creation look like the junk it is. Screw the surplus guns except as investment items, for a "user" the Inland is one superb little carbine that is fun as hell to shoot. AIM also has very affordable and very well performing PPU ammo in both FMJ and SP form at really nice prices. Freedom Munitions offers FMJ for a good price too and if ya buy over $100 worth you get either free or really low cost shipping.
The new Inland M1 Carbines are superb little guns!! I might recommend eventually taking yours to a gunsmith to lighten/tighten the trigger pull a bit but the factory trigger isnt bad and is lighter than the mil surp versions. Also all the old parts will fit in the Inland!
+Dennis Matt Clothing didn't stop carbine bullets. That's a myth. ~Karl
Just read that the heavy insulated N. Korean/Chinese winter clothing was one issue that lessened the effectiveness of the round. You could be right and it may be scuttlebutt from returning soldiers. It is certainly not an extremely potent round but is more potent than say the .44mag handgun round and I KNOW it is potent enough in SP form to drop a large western Wisconsin mule deer in its tracks with a well placed shot.....managed that last fall. Screw it, it is a fun as hell gun to shoot and ammo can be found that isnt tremendously expensive.
I inherited an Alpine M1 made in CA. They were $80 new. I mistakenly got greedy and sold it for $500. It was a great shooter. Good mags were crucial. I had a round burst out of battery on me, using a bent 5rn mag. Glasses are recommended when shooting these. It would absolutely blast a rabbit, where's my .223 AUG (55grain FMJ) they would just walk away annoyed!
You'd find a lot of M1 Carbines got chopped up in the 1996 Australia stealback.
Sure did. My family lost one to the government crusher. The War Memorial couldn't take many rifles at the time, and ours wasn't a rare variant
Maybe I got lucky but we built one from a receiver my Grandpa brought home from WWII and it runs great. It's a Criterion barrel and aftermarket stock, but everything else is USGI. I had feeding issues initially and noticed a bit of mag wobble. I put a M2 mag catch and a Wolff extra power recoil spring in, and I can't remember the last time I had a malfunction with my reloads, PPU, and Herters/Tula steel cased.
I have a Universal, and it's a great shooter. Off the bench it's quite accurate. Shooting offhand, it's just a bit too light, but it's reliable and quite fun to shoot.
30 minutes too long?! No way, I could easily watch several hours by these guys.
I absolutely love Ian's shirt.
"Why do you hate America?" lol
@@danielaramburo7648 Do you mean the M1 Garand? Why you hate America?
It's probably old hat for you guys but I'd like to see this put up against its Soviet counterpart, the SKS. Sure they're outdated and crude with at best bad sights but I enjoy the old 7.62 carbine. Love the videos.
I start videos all the time I can't possibly complete, and then finish the video on another computer/device later at a different location. And it usually fires back up within seconds of where I left off. That is much preferable to watching a half-complete video. This is reminiscent of TH-cam in the stoneage with 10 minute limits.
The M1 Carbine is a great home defense weapon, and is a good lightweight rifle that obviously fit the role of radio men, tankers and those who had special equipment.
I actually own one of those kinda crappy Universals- an early production one that still uses a USGI trigger group.
It's alright, but yeah- I can understand a lot of your gripes. At the same time, it's a second-line rifle, and it's goddamn handy. I need a new stock set for mine, but I enjoy it for what I do (which is putting holes in targets, don't much care about accuracy as long as I'm hitting)
That is a good weapon for poor shooters. You can miss the enemy four times and then claim that the weapon is ineffective.
I looooove... that eight times Blam and a final Pimg t-shirt, the problem is that in the rest of countries (as mine, Spain) nobody would understand what it has to do with a Garand or even any rifle.
I have a gold medal that I wear around the house, from having won my class at USPSA 3-gun nationals, using a M1 Carbine (hitting 12" targets at 350 yards with a three-minute gun is hard). Don't agree at all with the (lack of) reliability concerns. I've found 30rd mags to be a 50/50 proposition - they either work or they don't - but I've never had functional issues with any 15rd mag. Of course, I don't use any of that furrin ammo, either!
about the reliability you should try taking the mag spring out and turn it around so the last loop faces the back of the mag and see if you get any hangs afterwards
Let me do the math for you dudes, sight drifted 1/8 inch on 21.45 inch radius equals 21moa, ie 10,5 inches at fifty yards.
i have an early universal, before they switched to two recoil springs. The early ones are actually pretty good
Ingenious, auto range finding iron sights!
I've always loved the look of the M1A1 paratrooper carbine and the sound of that bolt. But I've never held one and only held a WWII era gun with some blood rust on the receiver
Maybe I just got lucky, but I've had nothing but good experiences with my inland. Yes, it has maybe one malfunction every hundred or so rounds, but what m1 doesn't, and I thought the build quality was excellent.
I would LOVE to see a video about the BAR from you guys now...
I have an original Saginaw M1 Carbine, after shooting 2000 rounds, it has never had a failure.
I have an Inland carbine and a Winchester carbine. They both have worked flawlessly for me. The only fails were due to crappy commercial magazines. Those parkerized GI magazines are the only ones that work properly. I have shot deer, cows and hogs with a carbine and have never needed more than one shot. I'm not surprised by all these unfavorable combat reports, because there are so many 'experts' who have nothing good to say about the M1 Garand as well. I wish they would tell me just where their 'hits' were striking these unhurt enemy soldiers. In fact, I shot the deer with a universal carbine at eighty yards. The bullet went right through the shoulder blade and right through his spine and he went right down. I have never had one of these jokers accept my offer to let me shoot at them with my carbine. Granted, they weren't made to be an accurate arm to begin with but I consistently hit a three pound coffee can at 100 yds. off hand and kneeling. I can't see anything smaller than that at that range. Lesson learned-i'll not be running out to trade in my wartime carbines for any newly made thing from here or Israel.
logan pollock i agree. I have six 30 round military grade steel magazines from Fulton Armory and they work flawlessly with my modern made Auto Ordinance M1 Carbine.
God damn Karl your beard is majestic in this video
You guys are making me hate my carbine more and more!!
TH-camrs who know where Camp Perry is??? New sub!
I shot in the Nationals a few years in a row. ~K
Seen a documentary and it showed you people saying it has no stopping power is a myth. Obviously it can't match bigger calibres but at close range ie the jungle it had a high velocity and made some impressive damage.
Those two guns, we won IN SPITE of them not BECAUSE of them. Legend.
I have an original Inland. It is a hella fun gun to shoot. I have never had it fail. However, I have never shot it in competition.
I think it is interesting that the french in Vietnam was quit happy using the M1 Carbine...
A m1 carbine mud test would be great
Marines always want an adjustable rear sight. They made many requests to get it installed on the M16.
Yeah, because of the KD range qualification, not because of combat necessity.
The M1 Carbine is the missed opportunity for the United States. Had they gone to a beefy bottle necked cartridge .30 intermediate cartridge similar to the Czech 7.62x45 vz.52 cartridge. It could have been an effective assault rifle. But I understand the school of thought concerning firearms within the US military.
+IdleDrifter Funny thing search Winchester M18 .30 carbine.
IdleDrifter
7.62x45? That sounds a lot like 300 blackout.
donald Robertson yes but the military was completely invested in .30 cal manufacturing. It was faster and more cost effective, two qualities which are often overlooked when trying to understand arms development
great video thank you for honest reviews
The carbine is awesome!
Ok, 9:30 said all I needed to hear, "If you LEAVE YOUR FRONT SIGHT LOOSE...", first off, that's total incompetence and if you LEFT YOUR MAGAZINE improperly seated, in any other rifle, you'd expect for it to jam or drop out...WHOLE LOT of 'predisposed hate' on the M1 here! I mean, come on, walking into a 'shelf-drawn' stock rifle, you are GOING TO FIND PROBLEMS! I've had to polish down feed ramps on $2,000 pistols before! This is why they ISSUE WEAPONS in the military...so that rifle 123456 is YOUR WEAPON! You have a problem, you report it to the armorer! IT GETS FIXED! If you own it, you take it to a gunsmith or fix it yourself! Pulling it out of a box and saying, 'wow, the rear sight floats if it isn't tight' is disingenuous...and REEKS of 'planned bad review'. Opening the video to a report of shooting someone 4-times in combat with an M1 and then making the shot with a Garand isn't fair, either...since the M1 was designed to be a SUPPORT WEAPON for use in place of the 1911 pistol, NOT A GARAND REPLACEMENT! Hickock45 does an EXCELLENT HISTORY and review of the M1 in one of his videos...maybe you should go watch his video first...he also fires it on his range with AMAZING ACCURACY that betrays almost EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY about the M1...and they are HIS M1's, too...not some 'off-the-shelf draw' rifle that someone decided to test.
I have a later model Universal and I really enjoy it. It’s odd though from my experience steel case works better than brass (which I’ve experienced lots of feed and extraction issues with). I can hit a man sized target at 400 yds. Good, fun little gun but I don’t know if I’d trust my life with it.
M2 carbine in Vietnam worked great with tracers more power than 9 mm great bush gun
I'm sure this has been asked before but I don't see it on your channel. Could you please mud test an SKS??
I had a commercial variant made by IAI fire out of battery on me, blew the bottom of the mag out and hot gas peppered my forehead. Gunsmith said the receiver was soft and no good. Nice of them to remove some of the safety features that would prevent such actions from happening.
I really like Ian's t-shirt
You two....it's like watching a Mirror Match in a fighting game!
I don't know if it's still the case but some of the parts are not mil spec and not interchangeable with the military carbines. Inland and Auto Ordnance were getting their receivers from the same supplier and they were having issues with warped receivers.
My father's friend left his issued M1 Carbine in his tool box and kept a sidearm instead during the Vietnam war. One of my first jobs, my boss said he ditched his for a Garand on Pork Chop hill after he ran out of ammo and never switched back. They both had different roles and fought in different wars but both had the same opinion after using them in combat. Those two comments by those two men have stuck with me all these years.
Still I've always wanted one just because it looks cool. Thank you for the review.
Question: The sights are just on the Inland and if I want the original sights I need to hunt done a original production?
I have an INLAND-- M-! CARBINE , purchased in 1965 from the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOC. I have killed SNAKES, RABITS, GOPHERS, SQUIRRELS, A N D MANY TIN CANS with it. It has NEVER MALFUNCTIONED, FAILED TO FIRE, ETC.ETC. I guess it WAS ONE of the EXCLUSIVE , HIGH PRICED, SPECIAL , units. --- I PAID $15.00 for it .
'30th out of 479 competitors'
'That's not bad.'
LOLOL
+hippoace LOLOLOLOLOL? ~Karl
InRangeTV
As in, your score is pretty damn impressive! But Ian's reaction was pretty funny. Sorry if you think I am laughing at your medal, but I am laughing at Ian's anti climatic response.
+hippoace Oh no problem, I really just didn't understand. :) ~Karl
InRangeTV
Apologies for the misunderstanding! Appreciate all the work you guys do! Thanks!
Hay I love like my Universal M1 Carbine. 60% of the time its works every time. Thow it works perfectly if I don't use any GI mags just these 4 round plastic single stack mags.
Who the fuck would allow the creation of a 4-round mag?
SwaffyX Its better than a 3 round mag.
Brian, that doesn't even make sense!
Ian is here, there, many, many channels.
it just keeps getting longer and longer. I couldn't stop staring at it.
+Mike Blair I trimmed it recently, so that's no longer an issue. ~Karl
That comment can easily be taken out of context. ;)
+rambokicksass77 yup.
After watching this originally, I replaced the sight on my original Inland M1 with one of the two-position sights.
Some boys got M1BB guns for Christmas...
Some got Easy bake ovens...
I have a rocola and have none of the issues y'all are complaining about. Also mine is original and has adjustable sights that don't move involuntarily. The only Carbine I've personally had issues with is my first one and it was a universal.
I would love to see how other reproductions like auto-ordinance and fulton armory stand up to USGI carbines
Fulton would run like the military surplus. Auto ordnance is a good purchase
I see Karl was trying out parts of his Fu Man Chu cosplay outfit. Coming along nicely.
I love my reproduction early auto ordinance M1
I love the carbine
Nice shades Karl, it just reminded me of a specific picture.
You should look up "Heavily armed Bosnian Serb soldiers patrol through a field near the town of Srebrenica" on google images
+dogboy0912 This one?
d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1447481/srebrenica-massacre.jpg?w=400
YES
The universal I have has all gi parts besides the trigger group, but it's compatible with gi stocks and trigger groups.
As for the story about the man who fired four rounds at a running enemy soldier that was eventually stopped by one round from a 30 06 M1 Garand it clearly reminds me of when I trained several Michigan State Police when they transferred to semi-autos. Holes in the air will not suffocate the son of a gun. I couldn't tell you how many times I had to tell these guys that. The M1 carbine has about the equivalent Power Of a 357 Magnum out to about a hundred and fifty yards. If you hit somebody with it, and it's a solid hit, they will go down. The 357 Magnum is the best first shot fight stopper in a pistol cartridge still to this day. In a round that's just above the weight of an M1 carbine round. Yes the hollow point does make a little bit of difference. But the M1 carbine was a favored Weapon by our enemy, the Nazis when they got a chance to get a hold of them.
The biggest problem the M1 carbine had is the 30 round magazines were junk. Anybody who knew anything about the weapon in World War I always replace the 30 round magazines with brand new ones as soon as they could oh, every time they could. And they threw the old ones away. It was probably a problem with the Metallurgy or the heat treat of the springs in those 30 round magazines. Regardless of the reason they didn't work well with them.
If I were to build an M1 carbine for close-quarters combat, I would probably load it with 85 grain 32 Caliber hollow points after making sure they were size properly for the cartridge and I. That would make a wicked little short-range carbine.
Oh I need Ian’s shirt so bad.
There is an orginal black and white video of us troops in the field during ww2...
In one clip, there's 2 fellas shooting prone. One's shooting an m1 garand working perfectly, the other is shooting a carbine and literally has 3 malfunction's before he can let one send down range then the camera suddenly turns off after that hahaha
My heart broke a bit when we sent Twinkies over the boarder..
I love my M1. As an NRA instructor is it my go to for training girls and kids(and everyone). I have shot through over 8 2X4 with it. I have never had a jam. Maybe it is manufacturing ease issues? I own 3.
My National Ordnance will actually out shoot my "original" M1 carbines. It's basically one of the roughest guns ever also. Don't see to many around.
I actually really like shooting the carbine, under 100 yards it's just fine.
Keep it up