Most expensive gun I have ever bought. Underwood M1 Carbine in 30 carbine. 1943 year of manufacture
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- I have been looking for one of these rifles off and on for over three years, they always end up being too expensive or unknown quality.
So when I happened on this one that looks like it’s in nearly all original condition, with all the original parts, and has not been refinished, by an Arsenal, I had to buy it…
Even though it cost more than I wanted to spend, and I had to put it on my Cabela’s club card…
It’s so worth it. I cannot wait to get out and shoot this rifle!
Most expensive gun I have ever bought
I have a 1944 Underwood M1 30 Carbine i inherited from my dad and its still one of my all time favorite guns.
They’re really good!
When I was just a "Kid" say 50 or 60 years ago, these were extremely common on the surplus market. And prices were ridiculously LOW. Several members of my Family bought them. And STILL own them too!
I wish I had some from those old days.
You got a nice example that you're really going to enjoy shooting. They're so much fun at the range. I bought an early made Plainfield with all military new parts except the stock and reciever. Bought it several years ago for $300.00. It's very accurate and brings a smile to everyones face when the handle or fire it. The only bad thing about all of the 30 carbines is finding ammo and then the cost of that ammo
$300? Yikes… cheapest I’ve seen was $650, and that was for a Universal with unknown quality. This one I bought was a lotttttt more
About 20 years ago at a Harley conference, I ran into a guy who was collecting Johnson rifles. He sold me an unfired Remington-Rand 1911A1, AND a 1964 (still in the Raritan Arsenal shipping box) DCM-sold Winchester M1 Carbine. Plus all sorts of web gear and mags… for $500 total. The carbine was 100% Winchester parts. Then a few years later, a buddy of mine was liquidating his uncle’s firearm collection. I paid $600 for an original Inland folding stock carbine.
Very nice!
Beautiful! I got a '43 Rock Ola from my grandfather. Still in great shape 80 years from the date of manufacture.
Cool! Don’t see many of the Rock Ola either!
I obtained 40 years ago an all original Underwood M-1 carbine. It is shown as Feb. 1944 as a date of manufacture. I bought it at a garage sale for $15.00.
That’s awesome!!
Crazy, how expensive these guns have gotten when back in the day they were sold in big boxes at the hardware stores.
Yeah you’re not kidding… I week before I found this one, a ratty WW2 model was in another shop for $2200 and it sold in a few days… I didn’t pay that much for mine, and it’s much nicer
I have one in great condition
@@recentlyretired that’s great!
May look to sell. It’s stamped Inland General Motors 43 . Havent used in years
Yeah, well movies used to be a nickel too…
I bought an m1 carbine from cabelas recently, also. Paid much more than I thought I should. It was a blue-sky import to boot. But, when I got it and compared it to what is in the M1 Carbine bible, I found that I had an all original Winchester Carbine except for the bolt, which was inland. Late war models did use the adjustable rear stock. You need to get a copy of the M1 Carbine Comprehensive Guide and compare your serial number to the production runs.
Just the fact mine is an inland, I know it was only made for a short time, and mine appears to be never fielded in warfare. It is exceptional. I paid $1600 for it... Was way more than I was comfortable with, but man its a nice gun and SUCH a good shooter.
Is that book written by Reich ?
Just bought a 11-43 Underwood for 850. It shoots, has provenence to a 2 tour Nam radio operator. One cool rifle. Have wanted one for 50+ years.
That awesome, and a great deal especially knowing the provenance
Super cool
I found a Rock-Ola for 150 bucks, back around 1990...
😮😮😮 that is awesome! Back when they were truly surplus
So glad my grandfather gave me his 43 standard product m1
Yeah prices have gone up a lot!
Had a vet that was in burma tell me the underwood carbine he was issued jammed constantly. He worked on it said he finally threw it off a bridge. The army made him pay for it. I think Frank still suffered from shell shock. I met him about 1990, he could tell some crazy stories.
Wow that’s crazy- mine runs like a singer sewing machine!
My dad had two of these made by GM....he sold them for $45 after owning them for 5 years and purchasing them for $15. They were fun to shoot two at a time with 30 round clips. I remember doing that at the city dump that some plumbing shop had dumped 50 toilets in. I left white porcelain chip all over the place. What a blast!
Man I wish I could get these for $45!
My Grandfather gave me his from WWII. The date shows Underwood 2 - 44 on the barrel and Underwood with a SN on the receiver. I don’t believe it was refinished, but I can’t be for certain. The wood looks darker than other M1’s for sale. He also gave me two loaded magazines and the magazine holder with US on it.
Well, age and being carried will darken wood- also if it was varnished versus oiled it will be different too
Beautiful gun, looks very much like mine. US postal meter with an Underwood barrel and fabulous bore. I waited 60 years to own one and paid more than any other gun I own but it’s worth it.
I didn’t wait that long, but I did pay a lot…
Adjustable rear sights were used in production about the time Underwood's contracts were terminated. There were also adjustable rear sights that were updated in the field. Barrel date suggests it is a replacement.
Your Underwood receiver is actually a earlier than expected receiver. There is only one notch on the slide rail. Underwood added a second notch in the 1.41 million range. Check the bottom of your receiver by the trigger housing lug is for possible interesting markings.
Nice Carbine!
Oh! Cool all good to know info! At least it’s all underwood parts though- maybe it was assembled at a later date
I stepped away from collecting about 5 years ago and they could be found $300-$600 now I start back collecting and they are $1,000+ absolutely NUTS!!!
Yeah the prices are crazy… 1970’s universals are $600-800 and mil-surp ones are well over $1200 for crummy ones near me, this one being all original from what I can tell (other than stock) was worth the $1600 I paid, especially because the Arsenal cartouches everywhere and the fact it was made by underwood, which from what I can tell we’re really well made and desirable,
Awesome m1 carbine. I have a standard products m1 carbine with an ibm barrel 11/43. I've seen one just like mine in the same condition with all the same parts sold for $2500. Crazy how these little carbines have shot up in price.
Thanks! I waited a long time to find a nice one
I have a standard products too, but had to put a Criterion barrel on it. The original barrel's headspace was no good
That oiler was made by Blake Manufacturing, 1943-44 and the finish on that carbine is original. The stock is Standard Products as you determined.
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I got one in 2019 from the first Royal Tiger import shipment out of Ethiopia and I purposely got one of the lower grade ones. I wanted to resurrect a beaten up one and wasn't concerned with collectability, just a little originality. Mine is a very common 1944 Inland which was used in Europe and then sent to Ethiopia after W.W.II. It was no doubt used by Ethiopian soldiers in Korea as they were part of the U.N. countries that helped. There were a few thousand Ethiopian troops in Korea. So I got mine and then sent it to the experts at Fulton Armory to go over it. I had it re-parkerized, a new stock and the barrel crowned. A few old worn parts were replaced, they told me that the gas piston was in sorry condition so I had them replace that too. Overall, I put more money into it than I could ever get out of it but didn't care. I saved a beat up one and don't plan to sell it. My ex-wife was visiting me and she hates guns and is scared to death of them but she saw that carbine and really thought it was gorgeous!
Great story! Gun saved maybe your ex will change her gun hating ways :) (maybe not though)
I have a fully restored m1 carbine in crate by miltech. I do not remember in my old age who made it but its like it was shipped to a unit in the field. Its for sale. Its stored in its cloth and crate inside my house.
That is awesome
@@crankygunreviewswaht to buy it?
Probably not, I spent too much on this one
@crankygunreviews I heard that friend. If you know someone looking let me know.
@jeffpaul8260 and how much are you asking for that fine little rifle? I have a 1945 winchester.30 M1, ALL original as well. Roy
I remember when I was a kid begging my dad to buy one at the hardware store I believe they were for sale for 80 bucks. That was 49 years ago....Just picked up an Inland '44 from trusted Nam Vet. Took me long enough huh?
👊 better late than never :)
What folks may not know is that Underwood was THE original typewriter company and like many other companies during WW2 were contracted to produce M1 Carbines. Keep it clean and keep it maintained including its parts and the mags and it will run. There are maintenance videos on the mags should they give you problems. My GM Inland is mostly original as far as I can tell but it does have the rear adjustable sight and the bayonet lug so it was upgraded after WW2 for Korean and Vietnam service. It is my most fun gun to shoot. I call it a sub gun, not a rifle because it shoots a pistol round. Others call them PCCs. Then there are lever guns. I know technically it is a rifle but rifles usually shoot necked rifle rounds. Yes you can reload for it. I use Alliant 2400 powder or Accurate #9 powder but I prefer 2400. You do not have to use small pistol magnum primers. I just use standard small pistol primers. I find soft point semi jacket bullets usually are cheaper but whatever you can get even FMJ/ball but I use soft points for defense and hunting loads. FMJ/ball factory just for range ammo. Thanks for sharing and I am sure you will have loads of fun shooting it.
P.S. Should you need to clean the bolt and take it down you will need an armorer's bolt disassembly/assembly tool. It would be a nightmare without it.
Good info on there reloading, and I was aware underwood was a typewriter company. I love the history of how we all pulled together for the war effort, you rarely see that today.
@@crankygunreviews You cannot shoot bare lead bullets because the velocity is too high (1900-2000fps) unless you use powder or polymer coated bullets that provide sort of a jacket. Gas checks, semi jacket, coated, or FMJ. The lead fouling of bare lead bullets would be horrendous otherwise and lead bullets would probably key hole, loss of accuracy, and so on.
I ran into the same sort of problem with my Hi Point 995 Ape Gun and its only 9mm. It would not shoot bare lead bullets because the velocity is too high with the longer barrel. Now I shoot powder coated bullet reloads in it.
Good to know!
The one I have also stamped inland General Motors 43 ,
@@recentlyretired very cool
I've bought an inland 1943 of june for like $880 completely original, gorgeous, Italian marked (FAT 68) and I absolutely love it.
Wow. That’s a good deal
@@crankygunreviews which is why I bought it without hesitation lol
@@trench_raider8247 wise man. You could double your money if you just resold it lol
@@crankygunreviews nah, I decided to get a repro sling, and a FAT (1956) marked bayonet for it, not matching but hey same stockpile is good enough.
I'm pissed that the sling likes to rub on the wood and scratch off the finish of the wood around the rear sling mount, I should get some linseed oil and clean it up and hopefully that'll fix it.
But I have that and a RTI restored to new WW2 config M1 Grand, among other things, so it's going to be simply one of many heirlooms for my family.
And lastly, why sell now when you wait 20-50 more years with all the ammo you built up over time, if everything follows the same trend said M1 carbines going for 2k now might be 20k or possibly even more for an original one.
I'm only 20 so I got time
WARNING: Do not use a Cabela's or Bass Pro CC outside of those two stores. Use them anywhere else and you will be paying over 32% interest on those purchases.
Getting back to the carbine, I bought a '43 NPM with '43 Underwood barrel a few months ago for less than $500. The stock still had 80 years of gunk on it, but the rifle itself is almost perfect. Luckily for me the seller did not know the value of the gun.
The stock cleaned up pretty well, but the battle scars only add to the authenticity.
The only negative is that factory ammunition is too expensive to do a whole lot of shooting. .30 carbine has been added to the list of calibers that I will reload.
Thanks for the tips. And I did start reloading mine as well.
Nice M1Carbine.
Thanks you!
Hey Cranky the barrel on that one is real nice. thanks for showing !
Yeah it is nice! That’s why I wanted it
@@crankygunreviewsWanna see a nice Underwood ? th-cam.com/video/fW-XZXGn6s8/w-d-xo.html
That's a nice one. Congratulations
Thank you kindly! I waited a few years to find one.
I have a underwood. Your cartouche marks are nice and clear. I still have the original rear flip sights.
I like the underwood, they’re a little less common and supposedly really well made
Good video! How expensive was that gem?
Just about 17 benjies. I have seen cheaper but not in this condition
My Dream Gun !!!
I May Just Get A Mini-14 As
A Replacement Gun, Since I
Can't Find This Rifle Anywhere...
Mini 14’s are slightly cheaper lol- over $1000 near me for those as well. I bought a mini 14 in maybe 2018 or 2019 for $799 I think, and it’s not going anywhere
I love the Carbine. But they have no right to be 2000 bucks like they are going for now. They made 6 Million of them and no one shoots them these days so its not a supply and demand issue.
They’re not in every store though, so either they’re being hoarded, have gotten destroyed over the years, or are a bit rare. The price is dictated a lot by stupid people paying stupid prices to have a specific model… next thing you know, all the auction sites raise prices to match the high priced one, and now they’re all expensive. I think good military examples are not as common now as they were 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago… I agree they cost too much, but I got a “good deal” on this one being that it’s all original, and still in good factory finish for the most part
@@crankygunreviews Id wager its alot of hoarding. The dad of a buddy has 30 Carbines and he HATES guns. No idea why he has them in the first place. Price gougers are everywhere too. Shame since the Carbine is so fun. Same thing with the ammo, NEW .30 Carbine sells for damn near a buck a round. I honestly dont know who would pay those prices. Idk maybe we had it too good for too long but its just not worth it.
@@WasatchGarandMan yeah I’m spending 0.80 a round on 30 carbine right now, but I bought reloading equipment. Luckily, these use pistol primers, and H110 which I use for 357 magnum, so I can reload it easily. Just bought 1000 bullets so I can load and shoot a lot.
You do realize the U.S Govt left behind 1.5 million M1 Carbine and 1 million M16A1 and 500,000+ m1 garand in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam after 1975 when U.S pull out. And there is about 100,000+ M1 carbine still stuck in South Korea that can't be imported for sale too because of obama
I need to get better with premiers…
Wow, that is another on my wish list. Congratulations, she is beautiful. Enjoy
Almost had to re-fi my truck for this one lol
She’s a beaut’ … congratulations 🍻
Thanks!
They will continue to go up in price
I agree, especially nice ones
Congrats! Especially the 🔥💣 cartouche.
That’s what sold me on this one!
YAAAAAAAAAYYYY! 😍
I knew you’d like this one lol- what do you think of it? As good as I made it seem? Lol
@@crankygunreviews Super nice for being that old- I'm a little jealous.
MINE IS STAMPED ON TOP NEXT TO SLIDE BAVARIA RURAL POLICE...I RESEARCHED IT AND FOUND THAT 5200 WERE ISSUED TO BAVARIA RURAL POLICE AT END OF WW II.....ACTION IS SMOOTH AND I HAVE OWNED GUN LONG TIME....ALSO HAVE MY UNCLE S BRONZE AND SILVER STAR AWARDED TO HIM IN FIGHTING IN SOUTHERN GERMANY IN SPRING OF 1945...HAVE NO IDEA VALUE OF GUN
That is awesome. the value may be more intrinsic than real, but it is a cool gun and I like the history
Howdy!
Holy Skii Daddler!
🤣🤣🤣 I know right?
Wonder why companies now that is making them will not make them in different calibers ?
There have been 22lr and 9mm carbines. I have a Ruger 10/22 M1 Carbine
@@crankygunreviews That is probably a really nice little gun.
The stock is Standard products S-HB
Thanks
@@crankygunreviews The stock looks like a high wood type 1 that has been cut out at the charging handle area...just what i see. NICE CARBINE!!!
Most expensive gun I’ve bought too… so I bought another one.
Lol, good plan 👍
@@crankygunreviews 1,400 was insane but I figured the reasoning being that’d these guns are not going to go down in value and their not replaceable if they’re true WW2 era guns. But i shoot it because… why not.. it’s a smooth gun and there’s no point in owning them if I can’t shoot them.
@@BenChod3 mine was 1600
I have one in great condition, may possibly sell,
This is not a military standard in the most part, all World War II issue had a bayonet lug
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No they did not.
No bajonet attachment.
Not on this one, no. They didn’t all come with them
nice
Thanks
when i see the stamp it is an ex dutch police carabine.
What stamp?
that granate with a flame.. its a sign of the dutch rijkspolitie..they put it on waepons as a sign of property.
on the barrel, near the front site
@@mvanegmond5392 no it’s not- that is the US Arsenal “flaming bomb” cartouche stating it was approved for military use. I guess other countries could have used it too, but this was not a Dutch police gun. Pretty sure of that…
Well shucks, how much did it cost?
About 16 benjies
It's a beauty. Every enthusiast should have one in their collection. @@crankygunreviews
@@ivoted7199 I agree! You may go broke buying one though…
In any case, it's a good purchase cuz they are never going down in price. And they can potentially save a life. Money well spent.@@crankygunreviews
Can you tell us what you paid for it?
17 benjies with tax
You didn't say what you paid for it completely
$1600
The stock cartouch is counterfeit
Oh well.
I know it’s not the original stock so I don’t care
That cartouche is from the company.
It is C.M.P darn spell check!
How's it shoot?
Amazing. Perfect even.
What model microphone are you using?
I think just my phone on this one
How much$?
If you watch the whole video, I think I mention what I paid.
Sorry I did not have it in the video- it was 16 benjies
Own 9 of them now
Expensive collection but well worth it all usgi its just going keep going up
Very nice! I think I’ll stop at one unless they come back down to $500 each