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- "Now you're looking for the secret. But you won't find it because, of course, you're not really looking. You don't really want to work it out. You want to be fooled." - Cutter
this last line of the film made you think about what Angier said to Borden before he died!
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When Angier cloned himself, there was no "original" or "copycat" Angier. They are both 100% Angier. Same person, same consciousness. Same everything. So every night he stepped into that machine, he was fully prepared to either commit suicide or perform the prestige. Trippy concept.
Don't you mean "and" not "or"?
This line has so much significance when you know the twist.
Borden: "He came in to demand an answer and I told him the truth. That I have fought with myself over that night, one half of me swearing blind that I tied a simple slipknot, the other half convinced that I tied the Langford double. I can never know for sure."
This movie not only had the Black Widow, it also had Wolverine and Batman. As well as Alfred for good measure 🙂
All actors mate.
And David Bowie!. And Gollum!
2 Alfred from 2 different universe. Andy Serkis is in this movie, he played Alfred in The Batman
1) Technically, there are no clones. As Tesla told Angier, all the hats are his. The machine creates a paradox where the same person exists as two separate people w/ their own consciousness. It's not even a guarantee that the original consciousness still exists after the first time that he used the machine. But in that first instance, the Angier inside the machine shoots the one outside of it. Hence, for the 2nd instance in which he uses the machine (the demonstration to the promoter), his POV is that he'll be the one who's about to drown. But then, of course, the prestige experiences surviving the trick. Due to the memories of surviving inside the machine the first time and then outside of the machine for the rest of the times, he says to Borden that he doesn't actually know whether the person who enters the machine ends up living or dying.
2) At the end, Borden says that he loved Sarah and that his brother loved Olivia. Hence, most likely, the father is the one who retrieves Jess. The father (Alfred) isn't sinless, but on the re-watch, you'll notice that the uncle (Freddie) is the twin who caused the more trouble.
That's the part I have a problem with. Angier tells Borden at the end that he didn't know if he'd be the tank or the prestige each night, but based on that first test - where the "tank" Angier shoots the "prestige" Angier - "he" should have fully expected to be in the TANK every night, and the guy on the balcony would live on.
I don't think he would do that.
Maybe if "transported position" Angier had managed to shoot "machine position" Angier at that first test, THEN it would make sense to design that act, if he could have the "machine" guy die each time.
@@PaulSchober Angier had to obey the rules of the machine. Which allowed him to retort to Borden about making sacrifices of his own. The 2nd time he uses the machine is where that especially applies since he was under the impression that he'd be the one to "go home" like Julia. After the trick, the prestige Angier (whether it's still the man who walked into the machine or not) gained the memory of being transported. Hence, it made his fate uncertain to him every time he repeated the trick.
Alternatively, it's also possible that the Angier who shot the revolver already acknowledges that he may not even be the man who walked into the machine, especially if he felt some kind of effect.
@@jp3813
I'm pretty sure Angier placed the revolver right next to his "starting point" (in the machine) for his first test. He didn't walk over to the "target" position and place it there.
So it was "machine" Angier that killed the "balcony" Angier that first time. To him, "he" persisted at the starting point.
I just find it hard to believe he would then choose to drown himself each night. Based on that first test, he knew that "he" would remain in the machine, whatever else showed up on the balcony (to receive the applause) .
@@PaulSchober Like I said, "especially if he felt some kind of effect". Planning is one thing, executing is another. The 2nd use is the most critical one ("it takes everything"). Afterwards, it gets a bit easier since he recalls surviving the trick each night. Plus, he also has an obsession w/ the way his wife died.
Hiding in plain sight, Nolan did the trick on all of us
In case no one mentioned it yet, that is the Great David Bowie playing Tesla.
A crazy film dedicated to the idea of sacrificing one's self and everyone around you in order to be the best, to know the secrets of success and the universe, and to be applauded for it.
If you ever watch this movie again, you‘ll see that there's actually a pretty clear distinction between Al and Fred, with Al being the more mild and thoughtful brother, as well as the one who truly loves his wife and daughter, while his twin Fred is more brash and confrontational, the one who tied the bad knot, the one who falls for Black Widow, and the one whose obsession with winning ultimately ends with him getting caught in Danton's trap. It's actually easy to tell, not just because Christian Bale gives an awesome dual performance, but because every other scene set in the past featuring Borden is Al, so then the next scene featuring Borden is Fred, then Al, then Fred. This means that the Borden who is executed at the end is in fact Fred, the man responsible for the death of Danton's wife and for his wife's suicide, and the Borden who kills Danton and escapes with his daughter is Al. So in a way it’s actually a pretty happy ending, in that the two vengeful, obsessed lunatics, Danton and Fred, end up dead, leaving Al to go live a normal life with his daughter.
Who was the one that got his finger shot off
Al had them shot off and Fred took revenge by ruining the disappearing bird trick @@friedhotwings
This movie ages like a fine wine so re watches are always rewarding.
He didn't know the knot, because he was the brother!
Lovely to see your reaction! I believe he says something along the lines of "it took courage to step in the machine, not knowing if I'd be the one in the tank or the one in the prestige", which I think implies it was never certain each time where he would end up. So, sometimes he lives, sometimes the clone lives. :)
That's part of the paradox I think. From the clone's perspective, he _is_ the original Angier. He'd have all of his memories, personality, etc, so to him, he simply teleported and the other one is the clone. There's no way either of them would ever know the difference, if there even was a difference. Tesla hints at this earlier that the duplicate hats "are all yours," they're all equally the same entity. Craziness.
We all speculate how Angier did it, whether he was the man in the tank or not. But here's the part we all seem to overlook. He performed the trick without the tank FIRST. So he had his double still alive for some time. But after that, you have people ending up dead in the tank. Outside of that, I don't want to speculate, because my head hurts with all the random possibilities. Borden's twin was the one that caused the most trouble. He told Olivia, I don't love her at all...I love you. Which was true. He tied the Langford knot. Hence, Alfred didn't know what knot was tied. I also believe he was the one arguing with Sarah before she died, when he told her, that he didn't love her. He also would not share secrets with her, like Alfred would. Alfred dressed as Fallon tries to protect his daughter. The clues are in plain sight, but some are more hidden than others.
Why would "we all" overlook the scene where we saw Angier shoot his double?
BTW, it was actually Freddie who shared the secret of the bullet catch trick to Sarah.
YES!!! This is one of my favorite movies of all time and one of the best Christian Bale roles - after Empire of the Sun and American Psycho.
And The Fighter!
Yes! My favorite Nolan movie. Love it.
Great film to review. One of my favorites. This is not a watch once and done. Now that all has been revealed, if you go back and watch again you'll see all sorts of subtle moments that will have new meaning and impact because you weren't "looking". Even now after so many viewings I still catch something new on occasion.
Thanks for the review.
David Bowie as Tesla! Brilliant!
Great reaction to,by far, the best Nolan movie. One of those truly rare twist movies that is great no matter how many times you watch it. Keep ‘‘em coming guys!!
By FAR.
Not by far.. .but yes it's a good movie.Every movie of him is good including obviously the dark knight trilogy. This movie is good yes but the Dark knight is masterpiece
@@tiagoalves2056 I prefer Batman Begins to The Dark Knight. Interstellar is a terribly written movie that hews to all of the worst soft sci-fi tropes despite having dressed itself in hard sci-fi clothing. The black hole astrophysics in Interstellar are pretty stupid, but it makes people feel smart. Dreams in Inception are completely lacking in imagination (pulling out a grenade launcher is not "dreaming big") and Tenet was a complete and boring mess.
The Prestige is probably in my top 10 films ever made, but Nolan has not lived up to it since.
@@monsterlair i respect your opinion i don't like much either of interstellar as for batman begins well let's just say i like all the 3 of then differently off course Heath Ledger's performance in the second one(may he rest in peace)as The Joker was phenomenal and forever will be.
@@tiagoalves2056 Thank you for understanding that having a different opinion does not mean we're having an argument. 😊
No denying that the Dark Knight's Joker was an absolute masterful creation, but i give Ledger more credit for that than Nolan.
Whoa, one of my favourite movies of all time! ❤
The Illusionist would be a good follow up to this.
Angier was such a glory-hound he could have just made one clone and done the trick perfectly like Borden was doing it with his brother. He just didn't want to share the glory and live "half a life".
Exactly, thats why i think angier committed far greater crimes, he essentially murdered clones of himself countless times, and even with angiers wife (which angier would say was bordens greatest sin) it wasnt even intentional he believed she would escape the knot and even she gave him the nod of approval before he tied it
No! It's not just about the glory, but we've already seen the sacrifices that the Bordens had to do in order to pull off the trick. They had to live half their lives as Fallon, who basically didn't have a life of his own. As Alfred said, it was simple but not easy. Hence, what happened to his wife.
@@Jamie__1 Every version of Angier had the same goal. Hence, he qualifies it as a sacrifice to himself. Especially since he has experienced being on both sides of the machine.
This rivalry between the two is inspired by the rivalry of Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison! Tesla was an amazing man and people say he really invented that technology and technology that would have homes generating their own power but because it didn't make rich people more money so they stopped funding him. I'm sure that documentary you watched was really interested; fascinating guy.
Four recommendations linking to this movie:
- 'The Illusionist' (2006) - came out the same year and had similar themes
- 'Tesla' (2020) - Really underrated unique movie staring Ethan Hawke as Tesla and about him and Edison
- 'Inception' (2010) - You've reacted to a lot of Nolan but haven't reacted to this, definitely worth watching. Not sure if you've seen it or not it was super popular!
- 'Prisoners' (2013) - Great mystery/thriller starring Hugh Jackman and Jack Gyllenhaal (from Zodiac)
Little trivia bit for you: in the beginning, when the two of them are working for the tired hack of a magician with Angier's wife, that magician is played by the late, great Ricky Jay. A truly wonderful, innovative and highly-respected magician. Videos of him performing his card tricks are available all over TH-cam, and he's wonderful.
As for the movie, like Memento it's one that leaves you feeling hollow and miserable at the end. Nolan likes to show the futility of revenge, and he's really good at it.
13:28 David Bowie
RIP David Bowie
There's an expression, attributed to Arthur C. Clarke, that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". In this context literally. And, sorry, but the way they both mess with own lives and ruin others' means this movie has two villains.
04:39 The Greatest Magician in the whole movie, the late great Ricky Jay.
1 of my favorite movies. After I saw it in theaters, i saw it again. I *had* to.
OMG! Only now after watching this film 15+ times did I, finally, realize the significance of Borden saying he didn't know which knot "he" used. It wasn't him, that's why! What remaining knots will unravel on my next watch?
oohhh yeah! you are right! 😮
Such a great film! Nice choice! Loved your reactions!
Great reaction...😉👍
Are you watching closely? All the things we get too see from Colorado about Tesla and the machine, all of it stands in Angier's diary. Angier gave Bordon the diary to read. In purpose!
One of my favorites. Awesome reaction ❤😅
This Chris Nolan movie bends ur mind, almost as much as memento, or the one with DiCaprio, and the spinning top!
this movie will be my top #1 for ever now.
There is a movie called MOVING with Richard Pryor and he has twin sons who pretend to be one person when they are at school.
Fantastic movie!! One of my favorite films ever! ❤💘🥰😎
"Doesn't talk much, this guy. So weird." Yeah, that's about the same point when I began to suspect something was up, except _my_ thought was that it was odd that the camera almost never focused on him, and never for very long. But, by that point, there wasn't enough time left to follow my intuition to the logical conclusion before the reveal(s).
Clone was original and original was clone. Clone didn't have enough time to live separate life and to become individual.
"Oi! CPR!" Sadly, CPR wasn't a thing yet. A few doctors had started investigating the possibility, but that's it. CPR wasn't widely publicly taught until the 1960s.
we reacted to memento! that was a brilliant movie too
@@MJoy4Fun Oops. I suspect you replied to the wrong comment...
Great reaction, but please learn Sir Michael Caine's name. Alfred is a character he played, not his name. He deserves respect as one of the greatest actors and has even made a well-known video on how to act that many younger actors followed.
noted!
The difference between the 2 is, one wanted to do real magic, the other wanted to do complex tricks, right in front of people's eyes!
Let's settle this. First time the Original killed the clone. But later on, the original died, and each new clones started replacing the previous ones.
Some say that the Tesla we see here is not Original, he is also a clone, at least the one we see for the last time when he is leaving the town after Edison's men destroyed his property.
That's why he advices to "destroy" the machine.
The original was prepared for the replicas. After killing much of himself along the journey of his revenge, he realized the full circle of that path...
I am a fan of your reactions❤ I recommend the movie Guardians of the High Seas, very exciting about the work of a rescuer and with great actors like Kevin Costner and Ashton Kutcher
Did you notice this movie had not only Batman, Wolverine and Black Widow, but also Gollum and David Bowie!
OMG! this is nolan’s best!!! or, rather my favorite. i’m biased. 😆
All of the plot holes vanish if you accept that the machine never worked to begin with
Throughout the movie, you (me, we) think Christian Bale's character is the real villian, but it turns out in the end, Hugh Jackman's character is the ultimate evil. The most disturbing thing is, the clone doesn't kill him every time, but he himself (actually the 2nd time, after he shot his clone), and then all those clones are killing themselves,, the original Angier is long gone. plus, Jackman looks at the end, slightly different than the beginning of the movie.....
If you haven't already reacted to it, I would recommend Christopher Nolan's Interstellar. Thanks for this reaction guys.
It's early on their channel and definitely worth checking out
Angier always thought he was the originial, as the cloning happens before the drowning. Meaning once a clone is being made, the originial always dies, but the clone thinks he is the originial because in his memory, just 1 second ago he was inside the machine and then just kinda teleported into somewhere else. So that's why Angier kept killing himself over and over. Because the clone's minds has continuity. 1 second Angier is inside the machine, next he is teleported. That's why he says "it took courage to climb into that machine every night, not knowing if I'll be the man in the box or in the prestige". To him, as long as the continuity from the machine to the prestige exists, he is not killing himself. In his mind, he did the same thing for days and days and he is still alive and well. But he is actually killing himself...
For those who don’t know, Tesla was played by David Bowie.
What is their main goal, wealth? Angier has a machine that doubles everything, if he just put $100 in there and then put the result back in there after that, it would turn into $104857600 after 20 such attempts. I suppose you can do that with anything if you can do it with people. This machine is priceless, you can become the richest and most powerful person in the world. Why waste time on little things like magic tricks, revenge, etc?
Angier was already fabulously wealthy
32:50 😂😂😂
I would love to see you react city of god, its one of my favorite films and i think you would like it a lot.
Someone answer me was it alfred or freddie who loved olivia
Alfred loved Sarah, Freddie loved Olivia, Fallon was just their disguise.
Alfred is calm, quiet, softly spoken, responsible - scene with Sarah's nephew, attends the funeral, consoles bordens daughter whilst Freddie and Sarah are arguing, sits there quietly as fallon whilst Freddie is screaming at him.
Freddie is irresponsible, loud, more theatrical - scene where he's drunk in restaurant, ties the riskier knot, fights with Sarah, the prestige when Danton is tied up etc
Its my personal theory that even the man that Bordon shot at the end was also a "clone."
I've watched this many times and one thing sticks in my mind: Why does Angier keep asking Borden which knot he tied? He could just look down at his wife's hands and see which one it was.
reading the comments are making me more confuse and mind-blown! 😅
Moral of the story: When Michael Caine says Borden is using a double, Borden is using a double... Listen to Michael Caine.
exactly! he wasn't wrong at all. The trick was so simple Angier couldn't believe it!
And who lives, the clone or the real?😮😮
✌️❤️❤️!...
It doesn't matter who killed who, both were the same person, so the crazy thing is that he managed to end himself over and over again. Most people would probably have qualms about that, because they'd project it upon themselves.
Why do you say "Man" after saying "no"?
it's a "bisaya" thing to say.. in bisaya "man" does not mean the same as in English. Sorry, we confuse you with our dialect somtimes.
@@MJoy4Fun I'm talking about the Romanian man. He's the one who is always saying it. Besides, your "PAYING" Audience are "English-Speaking" Americans.
Another trick the movie played on the viewer is portraying Angier originally as the vicitm and the one to symphatise for. But in the end Borden did nothing wrong until he got his finger shot off. Borden would've never tied the other knot without the agreement of Angiers wife. Was it brash and a bit reckless by both of them? Quite possibly. But they BOTH agreed on doing it knowing the risks.
memento would be a good nolan film to watch.
First time he kills the clone. Second time he kills himself.
Nah, no one knows what happens
Since it's always the original that moves when using the machine, it's the clone that kills the original at 35:28.
I think its the opposite. 1st time the clone kills the orriginal and after that the clone is always killed.
Everyone who used the word "clone" already failed to understand this movie. Like Angier asking Tesla which hat is his.
@@shiranuiaensland1442 and everyone that believes the machine is real has failed to understand Nolan 😂.
"Now you're looking for the secret. But you won't find it, because of course, you're not really looking. You don't really want to work it out. You want to be.... Fooled"