@@SpitefulAZ Regardless of what amateur skaters might have told you, backspin needs to be done on a backwards outside edge, at least until you get good and start spinning fast. Even then, the slow backspin that is done before you start spinning fast is on an outside edge.
I was trying these today and our coach said to pivot your hips and they often reference our hips but i find that hard to figure out (like my hips are telling me they don't do any of those things lol) so i just stood up on the carpet and tried the entry but putting my free leg forward as you say near the start of this clip and i felt like...yup that is probably pivoting my hips but its easier for me to understand what to actually do with my body. Only discovered your channel tonight so havent tried any thing on the ice yet but i like how you focus on one thing that you can do and straight away know if you are doing it or not, (ie my leg is either on front of me or it isnt). It was tips like this when I was learning to ski which i found really helpful, more than an instructor telling me to turn my hips this way, knees that way and look straight forward. I think for me anyway, what works best is a coach telling me one thing that I need to do to improve technique, and one thing that is easy to see for myself if i am doing it or not, ie putting a leg forward. I think putting the leg forward is causing my hips to pivot as my coach was saying today, but for me it is easier to understand what I need to try and make my body do lol. I think thats probably the magic to anyone teaching anything though, is to figure out the best ways to make something that may have numerous components to it, simple into one thing that has a side effect of causing your body to do most of the other things. Or simply focusing on the thing that makes the biggest difference, so that people can get started on actually doing the manoeuvre, then from there it Is easier to work on any other things to improve it, as long as you have the main bit. For me in skiing i had instructors tell me to put my hips here, my toes there, and at the same time my shoulders somewhere else and my knees somewhere else then look somewhere else and i was like wtf! I cant concentrate on my hips, knees shoulders and eyes all at once. Like i needed to learn some things wherre i just had to do one thing which would as a consequence, bring all the other bits of me into line lol. And i found ayoutube video by two us or canadian ski champs. Body something and not sure the other guys name, and the only two things they talked about for improving intermediate turns, was 1. Using poles taps to turn (i think because it helps turn your body at the right place?) and to always be able to feel the front of my leg pushing against the front of my ski boot if i was leaning forward enough. 10 years later I cant tell you how many falls just doing that has saved me from, and how many times after not skiing for a while and getting on ice steep terrain, just calming my mind, and thinking "poles" and "leaning forward till i can feel the front of my boots pressing my leg", has gotten me through. Im no expert and never will be, just blacks on a nice soft snow day and blues or reds otherwise, but what skiing ability i do have i put almost 100% down to those two simple things. Easy to remember and you are either doing them or you aren't. There is no question as to whether my poles are touching the ground or as to whether i can feel the front of my boot cos im leaning forward. These are the sorts of techniques I want to learn when (re) learning to ice skate in middle age after doing it in my teens and early 20s
Hi Kim that’s so true, simplifying terms is something I try to do often, even turning sentences into single words as prompts and using language to say things the right way. I’m very conscious of it when I teach so thank you for your kind words and I hope my channel hopes you further 👍🏼
Yeh the pivot one is probably the best or see my video for finding the sweet spot this will work for both forward and backward spins: th-cam.com/video/UzcO3M1IAgM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=A7XcSjwNX4vPxZR2 And this one will help you visualise it… th-cam.com/video/qiYq8S2bQ6A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=s-hNUYsLPi3zD6Wl
I can also do the twizzles, but on the backspin I trip over and land on my left leg. Especially in the open position. What could it be except lack of core stability?
I love your videos. I am always trying your exercises. I have been trying for a while. I have done it from pivot, 3 turns, and entry no entry, you name it, but I am still having a problem staying in the correct place. I usually find it and start right, but after 1-2 revolutions, I fall out of it. My coaches are having me do a twizzle to stay in the right part of the blade, pivot, and use the harnest so I don't feel afraid to fall. What could I do to stay on the outside edge and have more revolutions? What am I doing wrong?
Hey Thank You! It’s hard to say without seeing your spin. May I suggest you consider using a video analysis credit on my website you can send me a quick video of your backspin and I will send you a five minute Feedback video in return with specific exercises, addressing any issues I see. www.iSkateCoach.co.uk
Watch Coach Julia's video on this topic and do all the intermediate exercises she does. Any of those you can't do (which will be all of them), will give you something easy to work on. Don't complain that you can't backspin when you haven't taken the effort to learn those intermediate steps.
@TheLarryBrown, is this for me? I actually watch them, and I subscribe and pay for the "inside" so I can see more and talk to her. I have done all the exercises, I have 3 coaches, and I still can't do it. The backspin is hard for me. I don't just complain like you said. If it is easy for you, that is great. But I am not as 20 year old, single, with no kids. I have two jobs and 3 kids. So, yes, it IS hard for me.
@@lilianmatheson3664Just wanted to say I get it. I've been practicing forward spin for 3 plus years, and I've worked with two coaches, watched all spin videos I could find, done all exercises therein, did at least hundreds of hours of spin practice on ice, and the most I have gotten is 7 revolutions. I feel I'm getting more consistent and in time I'll spin well. You will, too!
Yes well technically it’s not a ch age of position so therefore not a true combo spin. The free leg placement is optional it’s still an upright. It’s just good practice to have the free leg crossed to get the weight over the axis 👍🏼
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Somehow no one mentioned to me that the spin is supposed to be on the outside edge. Thank you!
Some skaters tell me they are on the middle of their blade when they backspin.
That surprises you? I have found the quality of ice instruction to be abysmal, at best.
@@TheLarryBrown they told me they mean middle as in not on inside or outside edge. In "no man's land" edge.
@@SpitefulAZ Regardless of what amateur skaters might have told you, backspin needs to be done on a backwards outside edge, at least until you get good and start spinning fast. Even then, the slow backspin that is done before you start spinning fast is on an outside edge.
@@TheLarryBrown amateur or not, their backspin is way better than mine.
I was trying these today and our coach said to pivot your hips and they often reference our hips but i find that hard to figure out (like my hips are telling me they don't do any of those things lol) so i just stood up on the carpet and tried the entry but putting my free leg forward as you say near the start of this clip and i felt like...yup that is probably pivoting my hips but its easier for me to understand what to actually do with my body. Only discovered your channel tonight so havent tried any thing on the ice yet but i like how you focus on one thing that you can do and straight away know if you are doing it or not, (ie my leg is either on front of me or it isnt). It was tips like this when I was learning to ski which i found really helpful, more than an instructor telling me to turn my hips this way, knees that way and look straight forward. I think for me anyway, what works best is a coach telling me one thing that I need to do to improve technique, and one thing that is easy to see for myself if i am doing it or not, ie putting a leg forward. I think putting the leg forward is causing my hips to pivot as my coach was saying today, but for me it is easier to understand what I need to try and make my body do lol.
I think thats probably the magic to anyone teaching anything though, is to figure out the best ways to make something that may have numerous components to it, simple into one thing that has a side effect of causing your body to do most of the other things. Or simply focusing on the thing that makes the biggest difference, so that people can get started on actually doing the manoeuvre, then from there it Is easier to work on any other things to improve it, as long as you have the main bit. For me in skiing i had instructors tell me to put my hips here, my toes there, and at the same time my shoulders somewhere else and my knees somewhere else then look somewhere else and i was like wtf! I cant concentrate on my hips, knees shoulders and eyes all at once. Like i needed to learn some things wherre i just had to do one thing which would as a consequence, bring all the other bits of me into line lol. And i found ayoutube video by two us or canadian ski champs. Body something and not sure the other guys name, and the only two things they talked about for improving intermediate turns, was 1. Using poles taps to turn (i think because it helps turn your body at the right place?) and to always be able to feel the front of my leg pushing against the front of my ski boot if i was leaning forward enough. 10 years later I cant tell you how many falls just doing that has saved me from, and how many times after not skiing for a while and getting on ice steep terrain, just calming my mind, and thinking "poles" and "leaning forward till i can feel the front of my boots pressing my leg", has gotten me through. Im no expert and never will be, just blacks on a nice soft snow day and blues or reds otherwise, but what skiing ability i do have i put almost 100% down to those two simple things. Easy to remember and you are either doing them or you aren't. There is no question as to whether my poles are touching the ground or as to whether i can feel the front of my boot cos im leaning forward. These are the sorts of techniques I want to learn when (re) learning to ice skate in middle age after doing it in my teens and early 20s
Hi Kim that’s so true, simplifying terms is something I try to do often, even turning sentences into single words as prompts and using language to say things the right way. I’m very conscious of it when I teach so thank you for your kind words and I hope my channel hopes you further 👍🏼
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Get some help dude.
@@TheLarryBrown as an ice skater this is REALLY important to see the feet, to know where they are placed to attempt the figure.
I find backspins so scary but I am going to stop avoiding and actually work on them when I skate tomorrow 😚
Yes 🙌🏻 you can do it
How did you know I needed this video right now for a program I'm competing next week? Thanks.
You got this!
@@iskatecoach Thank you for the encouragement!
I’m quite good at twizzles at that side but it messes up any attempts to do backspin as I auto twizzle. Any exercises to find the sweet spot?
Yeh the pivot one is probably the best or see my video for finding the sweet spot this will work for both forward and backward spins: th-cam.com/video/UzcO3M1IAgM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=A7XcSjwNX4vPxZR2
And this one will help you visualise it… th-cam.com/video/qiYq8S2bQ6A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=s-hNUYsLPi3zD6Wl
Thank you 🙏
I can also do the twizzles, but on the backspin I trip over and land on my left leg. Especially in the open position. What could it be except lack of core stability?
excellent
Many many thanks
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I love your videos. I am always trying your exercises. I have been trying for a while. I have done it from pivot, 3 turns, and entry no entry, you name it, but I am still having a problem staying in the correct place. I usually find it and start right, but after 1-2 revolutions, I fall out of it. My coaches are having me do a twizzle to stay in the right part of the blade, pivot, and use the harnest so I don't feel afraid to fall. What could I do to stay on the outside edge and have more revolutions? What am I doing wrong?
Hey Thank You! It’s hard to say without seeing your spin. May I suggest you consider using a video analysis credit on my website you can send me a quick video of your backspin and I will send you a five minute Feedback video in return with specific exercises, addressing any issues I see. www.iSkateCoach.co.uk
@@iskatecoach okay. I will be at the rink tomorrow. I will record a few versions and send it to you. Thank you
Watch Coach Julia's video on this topic and do all the intermediate exercises she does. Any of those you can't do (which will be all of them), will give you something easy to work on. Don't complain that you can't backspin when you haven't taken the effort to learn those intermediate steps.
@TheLarryBrown, is this for me? I actually watch them, and I subscribe and pay for the "inside" so I can see more and talk to her. I have done all the exercises, I have 3 coaches, and I still can't do it. The backspin is hard for me. I don't just complain like you said. If it is easy for you, that is great. But I am not as 20 year old, single, with no kids. I have two jobs and 3 kids. So, yes, it IS hard for me.
@@lilianmatheson3664Just wanted to say I get it. I've been practicing forward spin for 3 plus years, and I've worked with two coaches, watched all spin videos I could find, done all exercises therein, did at least hundreds of hours of spin practice on ice, and the most I have gotten is 7 revolutions. I feel I'm getting more consistent and in time I'll spin well. You will, too!
Does it count as a combo change foot spin if the scratch spin leg doesn't cross down in front? (just next to spinning leg)
Yes well technically it’s not a ch age of position so therefore not a true combo spin. The free leg placement is optional it’s still an upright. It’s just good practice to have the free leg crossed to get the weight over the axis 👍🏼
1:05 during the first demonstration of that "easier" entry, there is an edit during the spin..........why??????
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Thank you 🤩