Why You Wouldn't Want to Fly On The Soviet Concorde - The TU-144 Story
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While the Concorde is often hailed as a triumph of modern engineering, the first supersonic transport to ever fly was actually Soviet-built. The Tupolev TU-144 flew even faster than the Concorde and it carried more passengers. What happened to this aircraft and why have so few heard about it?
Getting the TU-144 built before the Concorde (and therefore proving Soviet superiority to the world) was allegedly a high priority for the Soviets. The plane was developed under a tight schedule and relied on a few less advanced aviation technologies. The TU-144 suffered three known crashes, the most famous being at the 1973 Paris Air Show (there are conflicting theories on the cause of the 1973 crash). In regular passenger service, the TU-144 proved unreliable. Only one flight a week was permitted on a single route between Moscow and Almaty, Kazakhstan. It is rumoured that Soviet leaders were nervous about the 144's airworthiness and ordered it's chief designer Alexei Tupolev to personally inspect every 144.
Supersonic travel proved expensive and could only be offered as a 'premium' product in commercial airline travel. In west, the Concorde could be marketed as a luxury product to serve the wealthy and airfares could be sold at prices well beyond typical airfares. In the communist Soviet Union, where egalitarian principles demanded that displays of wealth or class be subdued, the TU-144 airfare had to be set similar to the typical Soviet airfare. This meant that the 144 had to be operated at a loss for Aeroflot, and Aeroflot couldn't wait to stop flying it.
The TU-144 was removed from regular passenger service less than a year after it began (although cargo service was offered for a couple more years). In the 1990's, a modified version of Tu-144 was utilized by Tupolev, NASA, and other aerospace conglomerates as a research testbed for a second-generation supersonic jetliner. #Tu144 #Tupolev #Supersonic #Airplanes
In Russia, passenger is silent and airplane does the talking.
Underrated fucking comment🤣🤣🤣
I can hear the accent
@@spany2923
1)Good to see you again, Comrade
2)Da, I just fly in from Minsk on Concordski. I bring you gift, Na Zdorovie! (hands friend a small box)
1)Спасибо за подарок. (Thank you for the gift.) What are these?
2. My used ear plugs.
lol
In US passenger is dead and so is aircraft....the only thing that remains silent is Boeing CEO!
Concorde: we have to be fancy
Tupolev: if it goes supersonic then it goes supersonic.
underrated
Thanks ☺️
I have to agree with the Tupolev designers with that one i wish they made a supersonic transport that could support the middle class but NOO they just had to make it all fancy and expensive
@@user-qh4te1tp9c Well...... it is supersonic
@@spaghetti9067 i am so gay
The irony of fate is that both air crashes of two planes are separated by 2 kilometers from each other the Tu-144 crash near Paris was an aviation disaster that occurred on Sunday, June 3, 1973 at the 30th Le Bourget International Air Show. The Concorde disaster near Paris was a major aviation accident that occurred on Tuesday, July 25, 2000 Gonesse, 4 km from Charles de Gaulle Airport.
"The Irony of Fate" Sounds like the name of a great classic Soviet movie (1976): Ирония судьбы. But another irony of the Concorde and Tu-144 crashes (being 27 years apart but only a couple of kilometres from each other) is that they were both the subject of cover-ups by the French.
The TU-144 didn't have as good flying dynamics as Concorde and, while performing its display (in very overcast weather) the Tu-144 had to take avoiding action while encountering a French jet - sent up to take photos of the Tu-144 while it performed. No one thought to tell the Tu-144 flight crew that a French Mirage was occupying the same air space and, when the Russian pilot was suprised to encounter it, the avoiding action took the TU-144 outside the operating parameters of the aircraft.
The Concorde crash in 2000 was subject to a massive cover-up by both Air France and the French Government. Although the metal strip (left on the runway by a recently departed DC-10) is ofted cited as the sole cause of the accident, that particular Concorde was already in some difficulty before it even hit the DC-10 fragment on the runway - due to very bad maintence by Air France, and also because of very poor decision-making/choices made by the Concorde flight crew on the day. John Hutchinson's expert detailed analysis of the crash is probably the most impartial and credible account of exactly why the crash happened.
You don't understand the meaning of the word 'irony'. This was coincidence, not irony. Irony would have been booking a ticket on that fateful Concorde flight because you knew it had a 100% safety record.
hybride c8ncred coukd go 2 jm per cgarhe
@@stuartmiller7419 and you don't understand the meaning of the word fate? "Irony of fate" is russian phraseological unit, that means (surprise-surprise) coincidence. I think it's pretty understandable even though there is no such frase in english. Irony of fate - fate is playing a joke, something like that.
The Concord disaster was caused by debris on the runway of CDG, something that ought not to happen. CDG is a badly managed airport one should better avoid.
"Passengers can't even talk to each other"
Soviet government: sorry...I miss the part where this is a problem...
99% of the passengers: "yaaaay!!!"
Correct your joke comrade, Soviet government would never say "sorry"
@@SebastianSastre They wouldnt even say "izvenite"..
"Komrade the passengers are complaining that they cannot hear each other"
"good, then spies cannot share our nations intel on board "
"davai komrade you are smart"
Soviet Government: "That's the plan, comrade. "
"Passengers couldn't talk to each other."
Me: Good. This is the flight for me.
Also, u can't hear babies crying so that's a bonus
@@imblack011 true.
eeeeeeeeexcept the fact that the plane is literally deafening you...
earplugs cost less than a dollar-)
@@imblack011 man ur comment reminded me travelling from oman to london, i was seriously pissedon a baby and his/her mother specially when i wanted to nap for awhile
The Technik Museum Sinsheim in Germany has both the Concorde and the Russian Tupolev Tu-144 displayed on poles. You can look at them from a distance next to one another, from underneath close up, or climb the stairs and go inside. The entire museum is worth the visit.
I've seen swiss001's videos, he visited the two planes
Thanks for info mate, will visit definately sounds cool. Maybe with some new light materials and new engine types super sonic will return. During cold war we had a lot of crazy inventions which were super cool and made no sense :) I want more crazy things invented even they are not efficient (like Gyrobuses in Switzerland in 40s).
It's really cool :D
@@Alexriga yeah there's a resurgence of supersonic flight
Wo genau ist das
The Cold War is definitely my favorite period of history. Yes the Cold War was filled with conflict, division, and bloodshed but it gave superpowers an excuse to advance in technology. To outdo each other. It's like watching a tennis match seeing two countries go back and forth between each other. I mean just look at the Moscow 1980 and Los Angeles 1984 Olympics as an example of the Cold War. The Moscow 1980 emblem had a communist star, the mascot was the national animal, and we boycotted the games. Then Los Angeles 1984 came around and the US went all "AMERICA, F YEAH" on it with an emblem with stars in the most patriotic way possible, a mascot that was the national animal in the most patriotic way possible with a Lady Liberty torch and Uncle Sam hat, and the Soviets boycotted the games.
Being of both Russian and Cuban descent (my mom's side left Cuba years before the revolution because of Batista and his treatment of the lower classes), I've made it a goal to learn about the cultures/histories of the countries of my heritage and two of those countries being Cuba and Russia, I learned a lot about the Cold War. Whether you like history or not, can't help but admit that it's incredible to go back in time in a certain period, learn of achievements at the time, and see how much we've changed since then.
Except the SU never outdid anyone in anything. Shit economy, shit tech, shit politics and society. They forced the world into a nuclear stalemate. Oh, and they occupied and oppressed eastern Europe for almost 50 years. Some awesome times.
It never ended.
Actually cold war is a fun time for anyone outside iron curtain. Music was fun, life was easy, education and food very affordable, car too was fun and easy to fix urself
Yeah, it would've been fun if it weren't for the razor's edge of nuclear holocaust haunting your dreams.
@@redemissarium "Actually cold war is a fun time"
Surely better than living with covid experience and looming pandemic accord.
I have flown on both the Concorde and the Tu144. The interior of the Tu-144 was loud, sure, but it was quite possible to carry on conversations and the plane was quite comfortable. The windows were much larger than the tiny Concord widows and made for quite a view when at altitude.
Sorry but I don't believe you.
Sounds like a north korean person saying that they love their country.
When you make claims like that you need to cite your sources, lest it become a game of he said; she said.
@@mightymartin4854 If you were directing your comment to me, what sort of sources do you want to provide validate my personal observations?
@@johnvalentine265 Well, first of all, if we look the noise levels in the Tu-144s cabin, which were in the range of 90-95 dB [1] versus a normal conversation, which is 60 dB [2]. (Ever tried talking next to a running Harley?) Secondly, you are correct, the Tu-144s windows were larger than Concordes, (But given that windows in aviation pose a structural vulnerability, is that really such a good thing?) Now, I must admit; I've never flown on either, though my grandfather has flown on Concorde. (Make of that what you will.)
Bibliography:
[1]: Tupolev Tu-144 - Wikipedia 2/4/22
[2]: What Noises Cause Hearing Loss? | NCEH | CDC 2/4/22
[3]: (not cited in writing; but made for interesting reading) www.cnet.com/pictures/tupolev-tu-144-russias-supersonic-airliner/null/ 2/4/22
[4]: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.heritageconcorde.com/concorde-fuselage-windows%23:~:text%3DThe%2520window%2520assembly%2520consists%2520of,and%2520clamp%2520ring%2520bolted%2520together.&ved=2ahUKEwi8gZeztPv8AhWu7jgGHeJLALEQFnoECA4QBQ&usg=AOvVaw0jSBNaytQNw50DVFoQdcXT 2/4/22
(With regard to dates; I am Australian. We put the month before the day.)
"It was loud, uncofortable, dangerous..."
Russians: whats wrong?
"but but communism is about people not profit reeee." said every commies
Furgon: did you call me?
Lmao
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122
Chinese communists:
"Oh, we're doing very well thanks to free markets."
Nobody Russians communism is the best
"Development of the plane was rushed, airworthiness was in serious question"...
Boeing 737 MAX Engineers: Take notes
I agree with you, especially with the 737 max. Even B4 the Max I've had a few near disasters in the 737s. They may have a good safety record overall but I'll NEVER fly in a 737 again. And up until 1993 I did LOTS of flying! Horrible Aircraft!
The A-10 is much, much better.
Spoiler alert from the Aviation Maintenance Industry. The MAX is a very good plane. The mishaps were pilot error. The crashes revolve around a single switch on the cockpit. It has been around since the original 737. The different instruments mean pilots needed some additional training that was never done by those airlines. Most of the commotion is by media not understanding it.
Yay for common aviation sense!
But weren't the mishaps from a stall prevention system where if it detects a low enough airspeed, the nose drops staggeringly, but the airspeed indicator was feeding false info to the system?
Was on board of a TU-144 3 or 4 years ago in Kazan, Russia. Beautiful plane.
isnt that crazy? in the beginning of the century there was the first flight of an airplane ever. 40 years later jetengines had been developed and 60 years after the first aeroplane ever there were supersonic planes that carried passangers already. crazy how fast that developed.
Гонка вооружений, брат)
Когда СССР не стало, то его республики погрязли в море крови за власть и по сей день мы это наблюдаем, но техногий новых не создается и США ничего нового не создали.
Все, что сейчас новое это просто уменьшинная и более мощная копия старого. Тот же исскуственный интелект бвл у СССР в проекте "периметр" или "мертвая рука", ИИ связывался с человеком и при отсутствии ответа давал команду на запуск всех ракет
Mustard: "The problem was the TU144 had clearly been rushed in its development "
*Boeing has left the chat*
Seems like the fix for the MAX death dives would be simple enough. Fix the sensor(s), make adjustments, find an open area to perform a huge battery of tests. But alas Boeing is SO CHEAP they want to just say things are ok without proving it and putting the divers back in the air! Fly on one of these death divers? - no way. A shining example of US Corporate greed.
If you went driving out on the highway with known bald tires and no brakes and killed a family on the road we are criminally liable.
You knew we were putting people at risk and didn't care. BOEING did the same shit and gets to skate. They should be sued out of existence by the surviving families.
@@VoIPPortland the main problem with the max is that its inherently unstable. On top of that the software was designed in a way that the instruments from the pilot and copilot didnt check what the other was doing. Next, Boeing told everyone that you could fly this plane with standard 737 certification so no one would need to be retraining, then they change some systems. Then we have the faa having the companies self-certify whether or not planes are safe to fly or not.
@@geesehoward700 "main problem with the max is that its inherently unstable" No its not, it had made thousands of flights and got 2 fatal accidents....
@@kiDkiDkiD12 2 highly fatal accidents per few thousand flights is a really bad safety statistic
And one of them being from my country. Out of the 189 deceased was my schoolmate
This takes "Rush B" to a _whole_ new level.
Only rush B Buy Tu-144 and rush b cyka blyat u faking noob!
Daniel Solis Rodriguez 🌚
Rush Almaty
That's why they are called Rushians
Rush E
Your ending animation screen with the smoke, continues to bring us back to this Mustard story. (Fan of you and your Bros work) 100%
I would really like to know the sources of information where it says that Soviet spies "stole" about 90 thousand documents related to Concord? As far as I know, the prototypes of the Tu-144 were laid in 1965 and for Tupolev it was not entirely new technologies, since they already had the supersonic Tu-22, which had been in operation since 1962.
Do you want to say that an author is pizd@bol?
@@Foria777 автор льёт нацистскую пропаганду - чтобы потешить англо-саксонское ЧСВ, путём не их реальных достижений - а лживым унижением чужих. На этом всё их "величие" и основано.
@@alexgainsborough4921 согласен.
Hi
"Making a brutally hard landing"
RYANAIR HAS JOINED THE CHAT
Aditya Chakrabarti Their landings are quite buttery sometimes.
@@ubahnlexi
Glad to hear it, I would imagine that, after a long flight, a smooth landing would be quite a relief.
It would lift the spirits, so to say
Looks like Swiss 001 watchers are here!
Me who has never flown:
Hmm yes i see yes yes
Ryanair: yes I’m listening
British: I love my new airplane design
Soviets: *our*
Tobee _gamer French?
The only "our" soviets had are the means of production. This joke becomes not funny when you know that.
KrutoiPersonazh you really don’t get the joke then
@@michaelesposito2629 tell me)
KrutoiPersonazh because they stole the designs....
Mustard: i want the real concorde
Concorde:
Mustard: *i said the real one*
Aeroflot: *maybe this will change your ideas*
Mustard: *PERFECTION*
TU 144 remained in commercial business till 1983 and for research purposes till 1999. It is not as bad it sounds in this video. Infact, NASA chose TU144 over Concord for its Eclipse mission. The engineering and maneuverability was much better of TU144 than the Concord.
Completely untrue
@@heycidskyja4668 what exactly, can you bring any proof please?
@@heycidskyja4668 It is true that this video is traditional Nazi propaganda designed to create a sense of racial superiority among the Anglo-Saxons with lies that humiliate other peoples.
@@alexgainsborough4921 X. D
NASA Chose the TU144 probably because it was available, all the Concordes were in use. As for the TU144 being Engineered better.. yeah, ok, that's why they had so many mechanical issues and two crashed? - Remember the French Concorde crash wasn't due to any failure on the plane, but a scrap bit of metal dropped of an American DC10. (If memory serves)
Reasons why Concordes and Tu-144's don't fly today:
1. Kerosene;
2. Kerosene;
3. *A V E R Y L O T O F K E R O S E N E*
Некто Никто whats kerosine
Jojo HARRIS jet fuel, basically
No, actually it was the maintenance that was too costly
But that’s not the main reason
@@cursebr2937
Of course that's not the main reason, the main reason would be even more kerosene
Fun fact- The NK-32 engines are still being used in the supersonic bomber TU-160. The fastest bomber in history.
*fastest bomber to enter service the XB-70 was faster.
@@fireshadow7598 in this case... Sukhoi Т-4 "Sotka" bomber. 3200 km/h.
@@zdobrov we're talking about real performance not soviet union's wet dreams
@@fireshadow7598 4 T-4 were built. The T-4 was successfully tested. And you call it a dream? The T-4 is a lighter version of the Xb-70. T-4: 114t, 4 engines 16000 kgs each. Xb-70: 240t, 6 engines 14060 kgs each. Both Mach 3 supersonic bombers. These are just facts. Take it. Live with it.
@@fireshadow7598 and american XB 70 not work =) but our T-4 work but soviets see americans cant make XB 70 and they stop
My grandma told me that back in the days she could fly from some parts of soviet union twice as fast as its now when i asked her how it was possible she said "Tu144"
Cool story, kid
çhief flew concirde nach 2.0 1350 moh 60000 feet
I must say, congratulations Mustard. Your channel has grown and come such a long way! Did you even think you would be starting your own streaming service back at this point?
Russian accent: engine noise let’s you know it’s working
As a russian .,... i laughed harder than i should.. xD
@@GamersStories you did not laugh at all i bet
Russians are serious
Pretzel Stick ,zOh and it exploding and falling onto neighborhoods and innocent people is a great sign of efficiency and affective ness
Reliable Trustable x
LMFAO!!! In Soviet Russia jet flies you!
When it goes supersonic, you hear a loud *BLYAT* intead of a Sonic boom
Cyka
Gotta go fast.
😂😂😂😂😂 Made my Sunday night
That's the sound of all those new members of the Mach 2 club in perfect syncronicity.
Shut upp
Me: Mom can I get a Concorde?
Mom: We have Concorde at home!
Concorde at home:
The Tu-144 was the first to take to the sky on December 31, 1968, 3 months earlier than the Concorde on March 2, 1969.
et alors ? ca ne veut rien dire.la terre entiere sait que le tu44 n'est qu'une mauvaise copie du concorde....
@@supermilou4327 you are brainwashed 😂
When rushing and not caring about doing it right. It could even supercruise.
I've been in both of them :D
In a German Museum. It was quite interesting.
Sinsheim Museum sinsheim.technik-museum.de/en/
It's an awesome museum to visit, it's the only one in the world that has both aircraft!
BagoPorkRinds Yup...It's very nice
epic but climbing up to the cockpit i never do that again
Yeah, Sinsheim is awesome. Also I was in Speyer and they have one Buran 2.0 space shuttle...
" We need to get to Kazakhstan faster "
" why" ?
LOL..
Because everyone wanted to drink Koumiss quickly)
Because Russia and Kazakhstan were the backbone of the USSR. There was a lot of business. Business that profited the Soviet people. Soviet businessmen were the only ones on the world who did not take away product created by people in form of profit.
This plane was build, because we one of not many country in the world who CAN do this. Expirience and tecnology testing, thats why USSR (and UK, FR too) build planes, economical unprofitable.
To play pool with cousin Roman, da!
Conceptually TU-144 and Concord are very different, also both engineering teams were visiting each other during the development of both planes. The story of stolen papers is more of a propaganda. The problem of TU-144 were mainly engines, which were quiet rough, not as reliable as RR's and yes to maintain Supersonic they had to have afterburner on all the way (hello fuel efficiency), the last nail into TU-144 coffin - it was too expensive for Soviet economy. But it's a beautiful plane, I wish it was not created in such a rush.
p.s. thank you for the video!
Nevetheless ty144 was THE FIRST flying supersonic. And it was experimental plane. USSR builds dozens of 144, and each new plane was different from the previous one (and especially diffenent from concorde). The aim for USSR was supersonic industry but not victrory over concorde.
For USSR it ALWAYS was about the victory, that's the only thing they were selling to their citizens. "We are first - we are best", disregarding cost and purpose, disregarding the development issues.
@@justhatemebaby нацист с окраины наяривает на нацистскую пропаганду. Типично. И не "они" - а "мы", пенёк - вы же постоянно приписываете себе все советские достижения, у вас даже Королёв - "украинец".
@@justhatemebaby BondarenKO
It's built like a supersonic bomber; uncomfortable and loud
@@m1co294 Because the main goal was to create a supersonic bomber tu160. The Tu 144 was the aircraft on which the Tupolev company experimented.
"The only route was between Moscow and Almaty, Kazakhstan." Who the hell is in a rush to get to Kazakhstan??
You don't get the psychology behind that: The amount of tickets available was incredibly small, so in order to have not too many angry and frustrated people, you choose a rather unattractive destination...
No one, really. But they could not fly anywhere else, as the plane was so noisy it had to fly above uninhabited area only.
Borat is in rush, comrade
Soooo, like California's bullet train? 🤔
@@user-nx6xl3jk1m da!
When you live in Moscow but there's a sale on vodka in Almaty:
*"Ivan, Get the Tu-144"*
Sup Homie Litteraly nobody gives a fuck about that.
You should have called Anatoli...
Samovar maker *Soviet national anthem plays as the 144 takes off*
))))
Sergei! Alexander! Oleg! Ivan! Get in the TU-144!
Mustard: She was loud, uncomfortable, a little dangerous, and can make a brutally hard landing.
USSR: That's the power of Soviet engineering-
Ryanair, shows up in a time machine: *I'VE BEEN SUMMONED*
While I love going to summits with other leaders on my glorious train seeing the countryside, it'd be nice to have a functioning Tu-144 in my collection. Would make journeys much easier
You didnt watch any of it did you. The tu is not making anything easier.
@@Darkstar..... he’s Kim Jong in leave him along
@@odzergaming sorry i need you to re write that. I dont know what you said. If i guess i assume you think i care about some noob pretending to be one of three worse leaders of countries on earth. Let me fill you in buddy. I will say what ever i like about trash. So take it up with some one that cares.
At least Tu-144 makes for a good monument at the entrance to my hometown of Zhukovsky, Russia. Literally the best thing that happened here in about 20 years.
My grandfather was the worked at Ty-14 project.
Thank you for making cool videos on aeronautics.
что же дедушка давление по крылу так неразумно распределил ? Почему вихревые жгуты не разнес дальше? Да и киль вопросы вызывает .
@@user-ts3ou3zn9x ну да, жаль тебя эксперта там не было, щас бы на них уже в космос бы летали
@@user-ts3ou3zn9x потому что, надо было быстро, почитайте как Туполев убил т100
@@RashApollo 100 тоже полный отстой , мне нет необходимости читать , рекомендуемую вами, литературу.
@@user-ts3ou3zn9x на свое время т100 очень не плох, были варианты лучше?
Russian Airport Ticket guy: you want to fly supersanik?
*dimitri, get this man a Mig-29*, *and take off the missiles please*
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
LOL!
shows up in comet
me: well you Russians and your rust buckets are underwhelming we brits had this bad boy PRE coldwar
and is better than anything you've got
[STERIOTYPPICAL EVIL BRIT LAUGH]
ELECTRO HALO8 but it literally is a commercial failure after the string of crashes.. and even if most Soviet planes are unsafe, the Tu-114 (not 144 i’m talking 114) has fewer crashes than any pf you comets
the comet 4 stop flying in 1986
think about that@@Wirgah
the drawings Soviet agents stole were early in the development before the Concorde team decided on the complicated conical camber “ogival” wing form, and as you said it was developed Tupolev were more than capable of building it (if you doubt their manufacturing expertise then look at the Tu-160 Blackjack) “ogival” wing form in the initial Concorde drawings
It's even simpler than that, the double delta wing was a robust tried and tested design which works very well on fighter aircraft. They knew very well how inefficient it is, but the goal was just to make big plane fly fast in as little time as possible.
0:25 I like to imagine that this is the music that played when you entered the plane. And especially during turbulences.
when u can tell by the planes face it is unhappy with its design [2:13]
It looks like it wants to die
😟 all i can see is this emoji.🤣🤣
💀
TU-144: "Bruh."
exactly what i thought - creepy face plane
Tu-144: Making a brutally hard landing
RYANAIR: we’ll take your whole stock
th-cam.com/video/D0NzFatmLCo/w-d-xo.html
Fuck the World Demokratie, Landung von Flugzeug Columbianischen President im Wien war also Normal?
It is strange to hear the author's story about "brutal landings" because of the speed when the landing speed of the Tu-144 (270 km / h) was lower than that of the Concorde (300 km / h). The Tu-144 needed a parachute due to the lack of suitable airfields and for emergency situations.
Also, the author did not mention the reason for the crash of the Tu-144 in 1983 in Paris - this was not the cause of a malfunction, but a forced maneuver due to an unexpected flight interference.
In general, the Tu-144 was simply not needed by the USSR, so its operation was curtailed, and not because it was "backward," as the author says.
So, the USSR has not existed for 30 years, and Western propaganda, denigrating its achievements, is still working. Applause.
I think it's just the bias of the author, as you are also biased. It is now known that plans for the Concorde were stolen to serve as inspiration, so it's not really an "achievement" . Also it is known that during the crash at Paris a spy plane was involved. The author also gives details about TU144 failures but does not mention the Concorde crash to make a fair comparison of safety records. Cold war sucked for everyone.
@@christiangavrila It makes no sense to compare the safety of aircraft that have operated regularly for over a quarter of a century and those that have flown once a week for several years.
Are you a Russian troll or just a communist fanatic? Ok, you can do it!
@@christiangavrila If the author's preconceived opinion and his manipulations (and probably even his lie, which was about the landing speed) with the facts force me to speak out, this does not mean bias on my part. The Soviets have done some serious work in launching their supersonic passenger aircraft. Work on it was only partially carried out jointly with Western colleagues, no one gave the Soviets full documentation and technology for its production. So using the word "retarded" is hypocritical
@@user-wx4ky5tx3f Apply ice to your bottom, and don't stop people from discussing essentially
Мы хотим возродить проект ту 144,к 25 году может полетит.
Both planes were amazing. I wish they continue developement on the concord.
Loud engines better than crying babies
Agreed.
best comment
ТурбоТОП yes
Cyka Blyat Rush B
That's one of the most Russian things I've ever heard.
Well, my mom flew Tu-144 when she was a girl together with my grandma. And I recall her stories about that. How super cool it was. She also said that engine noise passed when the plane gained supersonic speed. Actually she did not complain about noise only said about supersonic speed quietness. I think it's like an attraction to enjoy supersonic speed at supersonic age feel the engine for some time and then observe the sonic boom phenomena and much less noise. I think anyone who flew it would recall it with admiration. It's not like you fly to space and say well it was super comfy. It's not about that. Relative danger makes the flight even a greater adventure and fun. May be I'll ask my mom about her memories of this flight when i talk to her again. My grandma was a teacher btw and granddad was a miner both never drank alcohol in case you want to mix some racism here.
P.S.: spoke to mom. She visited cockpit in flight as a child. Will post more info soon. May be she remembers pilots or some interesting details. I think at that time children and curious people in the western countries too were allowed to visit cockpit sometimes.
Thanks for your info. I truth you!
Maxim Vetryakov
Hi Maxim thanks for sharing this! Kindest regards!
This Russian achievement was marred by the fact they, like most of everything else then, stole the blueprints from French engineers...
It was marred by the fact that Soviet politicians were in charge. They wanted it rushed, so they could beat the West and score a propaganda victory. "Good engineering be damned, just have it ready by yesterday or it's off to the Gulag for you."
Yes that's right we we're allowed to visit the cockpit back then
The TU-144 just looks cute
I love how sometimes in some episodes (i think) he accidentally puts the wrong vehicle instead of the actual vehicle, like when he put both the STS and the Buran xD
Whaiit a minute, this isn't concord! It's Concordskii!
🤣🤣🤣
And the Yanks couldnt even attempt to compete, and even today the EU AIRBUS is by far far far better than what the Yanks can put up in the skies
@@georgerobinson760 Ooooo--dem's fightin' words. And Boeing could argue that with recent output.
Concordov, rather.
@@georgerobinson760 Realy….have you flown on an Airbus? Nothing but cramped seats and non-existent leg room.
“The Tu-144 was like the Concorde’s older sister. She was loud, uncomfortable, and a little dangerous.” Lmao 😂
Russians have their own opinion. Concord was a posh and fragile lil copy of their Tu144.
Glip Abazza fragile? Is that why it lasted 27 years in service and not 1 🤣
Like my older sister.
Sweet home alabama vibes... yuck!
@@glipabazza9994 No Russian with half a brain thinks that
I never flew on Concorde but i did used to live directly under its flightpath to the west of London. It was an amazing thing to see and hear overhead
This was the first mustard vid I watched I was here when it was new now I’m back to watching mustarding
Fun fact: The TU-144 remained in service with NASA until 1999, they had a single one they used for chasing Eclipse's.
Wow
Херня
That’s actually wild af
That’s what the first A in NASA stands for. Aeronautics!
"Wait a minute, this isn't Concorde!"
*Russian Music*
*Communism intensifies*
i need to know what the song playin is called
@@talkingplant6581 i 🤔 its th music from tetris played fast with a little remix
Korobeiniki
Sounds like "Cheeki Breeki" music in the background. CHEEKI BREEKI!!!
Did you know, that first versions of Tu-144 had dual circuit engines? So, they are not so primitive as they seemed to be.
The main reason Tu-144 had so small amount of commercial flights and flight routes is that there was no niche in the Soviet economy for an expensive supersonic jet.
Ah, and afaik Tu-144 has a LOWER landing speed than Concorde, due to cabin winglets.
"Primitive" seems like a weird word to use when comparing technologies in the jet age. I get the point but it just seems funny.
Yeah, yeah this primitive russians, with their Sputnik-1 - first primitive artificial Earth satellite; Yuri Gagarin - first primitive man in space; Tu-144 - world's first primitive commercial supersonic transport aircraft; YAK-141 - primitive VTOL fighter aircraft used to develop american F-35; MiG 1.44 - fifth-generation jet fighter project stolen by chinese to build their Chengdu J-20 fifth-generation jet fighter; World's first nuclear power plant was created by primitive russians; Russians created television; And this list can go on.
Russians always were pioneers in many fields and this author just insults my mind.
It means outdated compare to the current era/period. Many nations still use very old 70s airplanes models tbh. People just joke on Russia on that a lot.
@@TheMurtukov yeah man the word "primitive" really is disrespectful, like.. Not every country can do that its like only 5 countries can do work like this, primitive? Really?
Im npt Russian tho and don't call me a fanboy
M@@TheMurtukovOoioikiioim mm m ki mk oko pleaseu j
@@TheMurtukov Tu-144 was rushed, its use was impractical, and as it is mentioned in this video it's development had "help" from the Concord design. The AK-47 was highly based on the German StG 44, and it is easy to visually confuse one for the other. The MiG 15 design was apparently based on a German jet design of the Focke-Wulf Ta 183, which was in development towards the end of the Second World War. Television was developed by a LOT of different people from different countries dating back to the 1870s, owing credit to one-another for its practical use. Russians did not "create television."
I'm not calling Russians "primitive" because that would be ludicrous, but Russia, especially in the Soviet era has made a lot of claims of being "the first" at a lot of different things that have no basis in reality. I'm sure that Americans have done the same in order to bring attention to themselves. The fact of the matter is that "inventions" always borrow from other people's ideas in order to make ideas feasible. People who are generally credited with "inventing" important technologies always owe their inventiveness to lesser-known people who had the ideas of such things long before they were invented.
The Tu-144 remained in use as a cargo aircraft until 1983, by which point a total of 102 commercial flights had been completed. The aircraft was later used by the Soviet space program to train pilots of the Buran spacecraft, and by NASA for supersonic research.
Really? A supersonic cargo aircraft? No wonder the Soviet Union went broke !!!!
Concorde was occasionally used to ferry extremely time-sensitive or otherwise extremely valuable cargo around. A French Concorde was once used to ferry a rare anti-venom from France to somewhere in Africa for some poor patient who had only hours left to live; amazingly, they survived, and they put part of it down to the time saved by the Concorde.
British Concorde's, equally, were sometimes used to carry transplant organs, diamond shipments and certain forms of currency, with a safe in the back of the plane for this purpose.
Su per sonic Re se a r ch. . . .da
Supersonic cargo makes sense though. Overafternoon shipping?
@Chris Holland .
so. NASA also use Russian rockets to lift cargo into orbit.
They will have to start making their own stuff again, iron curtain up again.
the most beautiful of all passenger supersonic 70s 3:54
*wait, this isn't a concord* Russian music Intensifies
Its soviet music.
whats the name
*H A R D B A S E*
Ȟᴇċĸȧĸŷʜ Âɡᴇĸʙȧᴛᴇʜ What's the name of the music
Name of the song ? It's similar to tetris theme..
“Wait, this isn’t concord.” *russian folk music intensifies*
do u know the music?
Anyone know what musicw name?
@@Farm172DII korobeniki
@@achievers2u ty
What’s the song name?
Just imagine what could be accomplished is everyone could work together .
The musical arrangement is awesome!)))
There's a museum in Germany that has both side by side, and in their promotional material they talk about the "Concorde's brother, the Konkordski".
And I kinda love that name.
When the engine starts going it just plays bass boosted Hard Bass
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I know this is an old video, but I'm going comment anyway. It's not "The concorde", it's just "Concorde". That's just the way it is. It's royalty.
Love the « crazy older sister » simile.
Fun Fact: I live close to a museum which is the only place in the world where you can see the Concord and Tu-144 side by side
Oh nice! may I ask where it is located?
@@AppleInk Sinsheim, Germany
You can also see Tu-144 at Monino, on north of Moscow
My father flew on both (i have only flwon on Concorde and only 3 times) and he was terrified the first time he flew on the Russian one, because of the noise and because some bits were made of wood in the passengers area, like the tablets and harm rest , which seemed really rustic but also really odd for a modern airplane. But one thing was sure, the food was apparently far better on the russian one than on BA or Airfrance and the cabin crew was far nicer too.
You must be a silver-spoon who comes from a wealthy family. What do you mean, "I have only flown in the Concord 3 times", " "ONLY", give us a break. I was a military transport pilot and don't know anybody who personally flew on the Concord. It was more expensive than flying first class on a regular airliner.
There was a documentary on tv here in the UK on what Concorde was like a few years back. The type of people that flew on it was pretty varied. People that flew all the time, occasional and people who saved up and made it part of the holiday. It flew alot, for a long time and with two different companies, someone must have been buying tickets
@@johnbasiglone1219 there was also a programme that ba did where you could hav a shot on concorde for much less money where they went out to sea, went supersonic then looped back to the same airport to land. It was a very short flight but at a price the average person could afford, so anyone could have a shot on concorde. It was like a little joy ride on a supersonic plane 😊
Morgan Olfursson Stop lying ! Your dad never flew !
@@johnbasiglone1219 I realized that this sounded super pretentious now. And i really didn't mean it this way. I once was taken to new york and back to London by my boss on concord so i didn't pay for it (that's 2) and i once had my regular flight cancelled on a NYC Paris flight (i had a business class ticket which i had upgraded to a first class, and when the flight was cancelled we were proposed an upgrade on Concorde by Airfrance for an additional 6 000 francs. I had to go back to Paris and the company agreed to cover half of it so i took it. I would have never spent 25 000 francs on a flight !
But yes i did work for a very wealthy company.
The Tu-144 was created before the Concorde. There could be no borrowing. Searches of the aircraft were unprofitable and dangerous, but Soviet engineers realized this earlier and stopped operating the Tu-144. The last few Concords were sold for $1.
Вы совершенно правы. Оба аппарата достойны, чтобы войти в историю. Очень жалко, что современный принцип "разумной достаточности" похоронил сверхзвуковую авиацию надолго. Мне, как российскому инженеру, интересны наработки конструкторов Конкорда и Ту-144 в части, касающейся авионики...
К 1965 году выбрано предложение ОКБ, которое в целом напоминало проект Concorde. На Парижском авиасалоне 1965 года сделано предложение европейским разработчикам о совместной разработке пассажирского самолёта, которое было принято французской стороной англо-французской разработки. С 1965 года проводились консультации с французскими разработчиками Concorde; более десятка встреч и по 65 докладов с каждой стороны[4]. Впрочем, одновременно во Франции шли громкие шпионские скандалы, связанные в том числе и с этим сотрудничеством. Например, выслан из страны представитель Аэрофлота Сергей Павлов, обвинённый в вывозе документации Concorde
Journalists: So, how were you able to develop this plane so quickly as to beat the Concorde?
Soviets: I'm sorry, but that's a state secret. Nevertheless, the Soviet People were more than able to meet the challenge through ingenious means.
Andy, from The Office: I stole it!
Tu144 flown 5 years before Concorde. So , who stole what?
@@beba2893 no, it flew two months before the Concorde. And the Soviets were able to do these things because they cared little about things like safety.
My mom worked her whole life in Airflot (Soviet civil air company); as one of many benefits of that company she could fly for free anywhere within USSR once a year with whole family... So, we flu a lot, but never by TU-144, even though could; my mom would always say, "We will not fly on that casket..."))) Go figure ;)
Hahaha
Bert, in your reality any of them crashed in Russia? Or are you just a moron?
Yeah .. like yr mom is a high qualified tech specialist )
MrIrirdium192 -- Obviously your mother knew of rumors from inside the industry which others of us did not. Glad you and your family are still with us, mate! :-D
Your mom just wasn't qualified enough for flying Tu-144.
Cheeki Breeki Arilines
Black Ursus József amen
That is a good idea _comrade_
i saw that in geofs
Jeez, I didn't realize this comment would be this popular lol. All Hail Boris, the Shashlik King!
CHEEKII BREEEKII TO THE STARTS COMRADE
So Concorde was NOT a prestige project? Oh okay... I believe you.
One book I read said that the essential part of the supersonic ability of Concord was the sophistication of its adjustable air intakes which the Russians just could not match. The testing was amazing and I seem to remember there was a story of a Hustler pilot in the cockpit going ashen when they slammed the throttles off whilst supersonic. He said that would have been the last things they would have done in his aircraft.
should remember that nasa used a tu-144 as a flying laboratory
After they put a small fortune into fixing one up to make it flyable. Was a good plan really, an entire SST with enough space for equipment was impossible to get from anyone else, and the russians were glad for the money and jobs at the time.
Its not like they were going to be able to get hold of a Concorde is it.
Maybe Boeing should license the design from Tupolev DB, for a 2787 :>
Which says a lot about the validity of the TU-144 over Concorde.
my favorite part is the Boeing logo on the side
Them Soviets always Russian their designs.
It sounds like rushing
LEAVE NOW!!!!!
you mean *damn
I'll give you that 🤣
Ha, vodka shot for you comrade!
I bet there was a great feeling of togetherness on board
"so pilots had to land the 144 at higher speeds, making for brutally hard landings..."
Ryanair: *Takes note*
TUPOLEV TU-144 and CONCORDE: The two planes are fundamentally different. The TU-144 had double delta wings which allowed the installation of "slats" all over the leading edge of the wing which was straight. Those of the Concorde were in ogival delta which would make the installation of "slats" too complicated if not impossible. On the TU-144 having the engines close to the fuselage and a wingspan of 28.8 meters (compared to 25.6 for the Concorde) this made it possible to have the significantly larger flaps helped by the ailerons which acted as flaperons. All these devices combined with the retractable "canard" wings of the TU-144 allowed it to have take-off speeds but especially in approach and landings significantly lower than those of Concorde and which made it possible to make the approach circuits and landing integrated with the other planes which was not the case with Concorde. The big problem of Concorde was even its very high speed to take off which generated an enormous energy of projection during a burst of a tire. Another serious design flaw was the very great exposure of the kerosene tanks to projections from the landing gear were even the cause of many incidents but three accidents with significant leakage of kerosene, two in 1979 (one in Dakar and the other in Washington/Dulles). In November 1981, the American National transportation Safety Board (NTSB) sent a letter of concern to the French BEA that included safety recommendations for Concorde. This communiqué was the result of the NTSB's investigations of four Air France Concorde incidents during a 20-month period from July 1979 to February 1981. The NTSB described those incidents as "potentially catastrophic," because they were caused by blown tyres during takeoff. During its 27 years in service, Concorde had about 70 tyre- or wheel-related incidents, seven of which caused serious damage to the aircraft or were potentially catastrophic. The most serious accident was in July 2000 in Gonesse (France) that caused 113 deaths and marked the end of the aircraft's prestige. On the TU-144 such an accident would be impossible or would not have had the same consequences, the landing gear, parts of the engine nacelles and the critical places were made with titanium, but at the time titanium metallurgy was unknown in Western Europe, reason why all the structure of the Concorde was in steel and aluminum this material is very light but very fragile to the shocks. Engines are also different, those of TU-144 were double flux turbo-fans, those of Concorde are simple turbo-jets. On landing, its very high speed implied a very special approach and landing procedure, it was necessary to create a vacuum in front of Concorde, which prevented several large aircrafts from landing. The French and British governments paid the airport for the loss of revenue for each plane prevented from landing because the arrival of Concorde, which amounted to extremely expensive operation. Normally this too high speed on take-off but especially on approach and landing would not have allowed him to be certified for the civil service of public passenger transport, it was necessary to obtain a dispensation obtained at the political level (meeting between Nixon and Pompidou in 1973), prestige and the Cold War required. Air traffic controllers had to give full priority to requests from Concorde what add to glamour and prestige to travellers but made procedures extremelly expensive. To comply with standard approach and landing procedures the early supersonic project of the Boeing 2707 had wings of variable geometry. The engines are also very different, Tupolev's engines are turbo-fans, those of Concorde are pure turbo-jets.
Thanks for the unbiased information.
Finally somebody who mentions the real story! Thank you
They stole ninety thousand technical documents from the Concorde program?! Is that true?
Bro I'm not going to read that
@@scotth5988 The Tu 144 was built FIRST...therefore, England and France could steal from the USSR.... THE TU 144 was EQUIPPED with the most advanced computer with voice prompts...electronics accounted for half the cost of the aircraft
2:15 front of plane says '' pls kill me ''
yes
It's face is so...
Tu-144 killed 14 people, but Concorde 113
A DC10 killed most of those 113
They need to bring back the Concorde & update it for the 21st century
Legend has it the TU-144 could fly on vodka
Every soviet engine could use vodka instead of more expensive fuel ;-)
Mr. Concordski could fly unless you pour vodka on his engines
lol
+Matthijs vd poel - The TU-144 had all it could do just getting (and staying) airborne on Jet A /JP4 or whatever crap the Russians were producing. The voldka was reserved for the INSIDE of the plane, especially those brave souls tasked with herding it from point 'A' to point 'B'. I mean, the point 'B' that they intended at the start of the flight.
@creekyguy most of these things only made it because the pilots were better than the machine, and hammerd enough to not care enough.
Did I hear you right, that the TU144 has to run in permanent afterburner to fly supersonic? No wonder it had shit gas mileage
it was just shit.
barry bigballs I don’t agree at all. It had problems of course, but so did the concorde. Yes i would prefer fly in a concorde than in the TU-144 but it is still a impressive beautiful piece of engineering.
a_random_TANK_152mm it had problems, that's an understatement. i'll go as far as it was engineered, poorly and in a rush but engineered nonetheless. you obviously don't understand the finer points of getting an passenger airliner to supersonic, funny neither did they.
Tank 152 is Russian fan boy.
@@larrysmith6797 yes why shouldnt he be. They made / make some fab things
This looks like the kind of plane Borat flied on.
Don't forget that during USSR operational costs were not an issue as everything was owned by the Soviet government. USSR did not have any privately owned airlines. Nobody cared about fuel prices in Aeroflot.The main reasons why Tupolev 144 project was terminated were 1. Constant technical issues 2) low range.
Wait a minute... They stole all paperwork, translate, understood, change, recalculate and still were able to build it faster... Sounds amaizing isnt it?? :))
That's Soviet Union! :))
Savvy guys!
Well, when you see the results of rushing it... you can tell why the Anglo-French project took its time. Being first isn't worth much if you're only first because what you made kinda sucks.
@@HellbirdIV so you believe its possible to still technology and introduce it first?
@@EricCartmanRussian Yes? Technology isn't a simple process, actual development and production takes time.
In this case, as the video itself explains in no uncertain terms, the Soviets stole a lot of technical data from the Concorde program and rushed the Tu-144 through production to launch it as fast as possible, and managed to get it out a few months before the Concorde.
Problem is that.. well, it was shit. The Concorde worked, it served for over 20 years - the Tu-144 crashed spectacularily on several occasions and was retired after less than 1 year.
Maybe this is some misguided patriotic conspiracy theory you have, but the information on the Tu-144s development is from Soviet archives released after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, so you're basically saying that Russia lied about Russian technology being bad to make Russia look bad.
But hey, if you want to believe that Russia made a *completely unrelated* shit plane that didn't work slightly before the French and British made a nearly identical but good plane that did work... enjoy that, I guess, lol.
Sounds counter intuitive maybe, but is definately possible.
After all, the big ideas are head first. One then takes time to optimize all the 'less' innovative things, while the other, after stealing the major innovation plans, rushes those smaller things.
Which will give you exactly what you see here.
Generally, communism never works. It cant. It is by the sheer character of individuals that in some fields the USSR actually did achieve a lead. Individuals, which is precisely the opposite of what communism entails.
Im equally critical of capitalism by the way. It is similarly flawed. Just in another way.
0:52
"Tu-114 was kind of like the Concorde's crazy older sister."
Ah Yes, definitely Russian.
Funny as a kid I saw my first Concorde on a BMW M1 cover in a magazine and thought whats that plane near that sweet race car?
00:17 lmao. The music suddently turned in to circus style. 🤣
The TU-144 has somethings that the concorde doesnt have
Vodka, kompot, squatting areas, three stripes and chebureki
Oh and semechki, never forget the semechki
Haha Tri stripe Adidas plane
blyat what about ushanka sleep masks
Nahui poshol urod
Hachapuri
you forgot kvass blyat
THE most expensive way to play Russian Roulette.
occhamite lol
It is very fun game.
Diamond Sword2247 I bet you’ve only played it on cod
occhamite lol
Perhaps not as dangerous as flying in a Douglas DC-10, the real killer.
The "Wait a minute... this isn't Concorde!" always makes me chuckle.
One of the most revolutionary aircraft designs ever made, change my mind
Giant air steward steps in:
Safety is our namber one preority
*Proceed to wears goggles
6:27 This is good for a meme
What’s the musics name called? **I like the music**
@Dexter
hi... ik i was very late lol
but i have an old audio file of this song in my storage since 2019 somehow lol... i don't know the song name... but here is the link for download the audio if you want i guess :)
drive.google.com/file/d/12l8Qf0sgHrXLrCzs-G3vsDABamjkXd3z/view?usp=drivesdk
Как любящий крыло человек, не могу пройти мимо.
Странно слышать про адаптированное крыло для всех режимов.. конкорд переливал топливо в задние баки чтобы приземлиться, смещая тем самым центр тяжести всего самолета назад. Профессионалы поймут, что всё это не просто и не быстро, к тому же при нештатной ситуации ещё и опасно. А значит всё своё топливо на полёт он выработать не мог, иначе не сядет :)
Следовательно, ни о каком многорежимном суперкрыле тут речи идти не может. Это не лучше, это просто по-другому.
И соглашусь с одним из комментаторов. Жаль, что западная пропаганда ещё функционирует в этом направлении.
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As a wing-loving person, I cannot pass by.
It's strange to hear about an adapted wing for all flight modes .. Concorde poured fuel into the rear tanks to land, thereby shifting the center of gravity of the entire aircraft back. Professionals will understand that all this is not easy and not fast, moreover, in an emergency, it is also dangerous. So he could not work out all his fuel for the flight, otherwise he would not sit down :)
Consequently, there can be no talk of any multimode superwing here. It’s not better, it’s just different.
And I agree with one of the commentators. It is a pity that Western propaganda is still functioning in this direction.
Все эти патриотические умозаключения разбиваются о цифры и факты. Это не самолёт, а сырой кусок г..., что и доказала его эксплуатация и трагические события - 2 авиакатастрофы. 1 конкорд разбился не от конструктивных дефектов. Так что тут все наоборот, очередная вундервафля советской пропаганды
@@user-os6vn9dw1k Учите матчасть. Ту 144 терпел крушения на испытатальных полётах. Такое бывает. Но создали туполевцы надёжнейший самолёт . Конкорд же развалился в воздухе именно благодаря конструктивным недоработкам. Они украли чертежи,но своим скудным умишком подумали-"тупые русские разместили двигатели под фюзеляжем,и от этого шумно в салоне,и мы,цивилизованные европейцы разнесём их на крылия чтобы было комфортнее". При этом не сообразили спросить у "тупых русских" для чего они это сделали. А всё просто-под крыльями двигатели это значит что они под топливными баками. И любая течь топлива уничтожит самолёт. Что в общем и случилось с конкордом. Ту 144 тоже на испытаниях сталкивался с подобной проблемой, но благополучно вернулся на аэродром т.к. топливо не загорелось в силу конструктивных особенностей.
Что имеем? Когда цивилизованные европейцы поняли что натворили,они быстренько списали самолёты и запретили их эксплуатацию т.к. рано или поздно они все потерпят крушение. А тушка и сейчас летает в виде летающей лаборатории. И арендует её боинг. Вопрос-почему боинг выбрал и платит миллионы долларов своему геополитическому противнику-России за ту144 а не за политически правильный конкорд? Ответ очевиден-боятся они на бомбе замедленного действия летать-на конкорде.
@@user-os6vn9dw1k не суперсоники падают регулярно. По твоей логике они тоже куски г, а не самолеты. Так что засунь поглубже себе своё убогое мнение.
Пропаганда работает всегда. Надо же свое продвигать, а соседа обгадить. Правда Американцы свой суперсоник так и не построили.
@@user-uj9eo2cm8i об украденных чертежах тебе пьяный батя сказал ?
We have Concorde at home! The Concorde at home...