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What i love about Salieri's music is how frugal it sounds and yet, so rich at the same time. Somewhat like there is no "Humpf" in it but for the simple reason that it doesn't need it. The magic happens when you close your eyes and you can almost taste the colors of the theme that is playing. What an extraordinary, even unique composer he was.
To all these people comparing who was a better composer. Please, just appreciate the beautiful art these people have made for us to experience. It was made to be enjoyed, not to be fought over.
Michael You can say whatever you want about either of them, but the fact remains - they *both* created their *own* music. That is a whole lot more than what you can say about many of today's top "artists" who are but products of shrewd businessmen working at a record label. That they have the audacity and gall to call themselves "musicians" is just absurd. We're talking about people who never wrote a single song, don't play any instrument, didn't produce their albums or even contributed to the development of the genre in any, way, shape or form but how somehow attained the status of "musical legends". Now fair enough, some singers were more revered than the composers during the epoch of great composers, but at least they could sing and really had to devote themselves to their craft.
@@damiyoflapies8473 Nope, before the movie came out, Antonio Salieri's music was almost completely forgotten. It hadn't been played for over 100 years before that movie came out
Para los que saben de música nunca fue así, Salieri es más grande de lo que la película Amadeus dice, Hollywood ensucio con una película basada en una obra de teatro que fantaseaba con esa idea, Salieri no se limitaba a componer y tocar música. Fue también un gran docente, profesor de Mozart, de Beethoven, de Liszt y Schubert, entre otros grandes músicos. Beethoven, agradecido, le dedicó tres sonatas. La vida de Salieri se cruzó muchas veces con el niño prodigio de Salzburgo, hijo del famoso maestro de música de corte Leopold Mozart.
actually i feel the movie it's about Salieri, but just uses Mozart as a selling point, the title of the movie it's "amadeus" which means "loving god" which it's one of the struggles of Salieri during the plot ... Salieri was the main character of that movie, also my favourite character, he wasnt dirty or evil, just human.
+Ramon LeBlanc Harts That would have been a bit awkward, given that Schubert and Liszt were born 6 and 20 years respectively _after_ Mozart's death in 1791 :P
That film was fiction. It was a "re-imagining" of Mozart's life... and a great movie. Told from a VERY historically inaccurate perspective...but it brought gravitas to Mozart's genius.
you can tell if you knew. The sad part of Mozart's Life and how he actually died is that not much is clear and mostly consisted of stories and tales that is hard to verify since a lot of people only knew Mozart through his exploits that he had made. You should read more and conduct research if you want to get the full explanation.
I'm sure that in his time that Solari felt overshadowed by Wolfgang Mozart. He could never have predicted that after all these centuries the world would rediscover his beautiful symphonies and operas through the internet and continue to listen to his work. Bravo Salieri...BRAVO! Grazie signora!
Neither Mozart nor Salieri felt overshadowed by the other. They both respected each other and supported each other's works from time to time. They also wrote a cantata together.
It came from Pushkin's poem "Mozart and Salieri". Milosh Forman's movie were influenced by Pushkin. Pushkin was a brilliant poet, but he gave new literatural life to rumors about Mozat's death. Salieri is extremely underrated. He, at least, not worst than Mozart. Salieri have his own details in musical style, I can't say exactly which, but... If to compare styles of many classicism era composers, a lot of them are real clones of Mozart or Haydn in style. For example, Pleyel, Kozeluch, Paisiello. Or Mozart cloned style of some composers, like Joseph Myslivecek.
I would pay so much to have a lesson with Salieri. He taught Liszt and Beethoven. Like dude knows his stuff. He had to be one of the best music teachers of all time
Salieri was no slouch. He knew his business - which made him a great teacher. You can hear in his music he knew the conventions of his time. Mozart was another animal - much more challenging and explorative - genius - and carried the fire of Bach.
Exactly; Salieri sounds like a manual, or a tutorial: Mozart's work was incredibly clean and catchy and at the same time incredibly complex and multilayered
Compare Bach with Mozart do not make any sense. It is like comparing vertical dimension to horizontal. Bach is vertically great but horizontally weak, very weak and boring. Mozart is horizontally great although vertically perfect as well.
@@weiliu3623 I prefer the term "Bach walked so that Mozart could run." They're pioneers in their own way. Also keep in mind Bach is a harpsicord man, where as Mozart came about during the evolution into the romantic era, when Piano was becoming a thing.
I am so happy listening to Salieri's music. Never heard that before. It was actually the movie AMADEUS that keep returning to my mind. I have watched the movie over and over and been thinking about Salieri. He loved God and Music and prayed earnestly that God would make him Great. Pitiful, it is said that he confessed he killed Mozart which I doubt due to old age. But even if he did, He confessed and sure has earned a place at the right hand of God. Salieri should be celebrated just as he wrote...and if I die, let people speak about my music with love. God thank you for teaching us a lot of lessons from this AMADEUS MOVIE (Mozart and Salieri). Salieri your music is sweet and refreshing...certainly the 'rest are not the same'. Hail Mozart and Salieri
Just by thinking a little bit, how people are so dumb to the point in believing Salieri would poison Mozart when such was already dying of a disease? Not like Mozart was having the healthiest of lifestyles, drowning on bottles of alcohol and depression at that period too. It's terrible how Mozart story ended as well as it's unfair that Salieri's history had to be tainted by such a plain bad assumption. Antonio Salieri deserves more for what he has done. We wouldn't have Beethoven, Franz Lizst and Schubert if it weren't for his free teachings.
Why do you feel the reason to theorize around something that took place when wigs was considered fashion? ofcourse people had crazy theories. and no, he obviously didn´t do it. btw you used the whole history buffs video as information source so don´t play me lucas
yeah yeah I used history buffs indeed for my info, do you have any extra source of information that turns me into an ignorant ape that doesn't know what I'm talking about? I know you asked for sorry, but still I should answer back as well, after a few months...
Fiction - Although it would be foolish to say that a proud Austrian such as Mozart didn't enjoy alcoholic beverages, he certainly wasn't an alcoholic, as the movie portrays him to be near the end of his life. His favorite drink was punch, which his friends said he drank in large quantities. mozartsmusic.blogspot.co.id/2011/05/amadeus-fact-and-fiction.html?m=1
It´s always amusing to read on YT such naive, uninformed statements like "We wouldn´t have Beethoven, Franz Lizst (! - Liszt) and Schubert if it weren't for his free teachings." You think honestly that Beethoven wouldn´t have made his way without Salieri? He got all his talent and knowledge from Salieri? *lol* The truth is that Beethoven had former, more extensive instructions from Christian Gottlob Neefe in Bonn during his youth and when he came to Vienna he had already the reputation that he is very talented and skilled. Furthermore he had in Vienna not only Salieri but also Haydn, Johann Baptist Schenk and Johann Georg Albrechtsberger as teachers. We know that he selected Salieri only for instructions how to compose for lead vocals (not for more complex counterpoint in choir sections where Albrechtsberger was much better and Beethoven knew that) This was Salieris strength, that also told Schubert once to his friend but he told him also that he couldn´t learn as much as he wanted/needed from him. Everyone who has enough listening experience in classical music can hear it very obvious: Beethoven and Schubert are especially in their early symphonic (instrumental) music powerfully influenced by Haydn, although Beethoven was not very satisfied with the method of his lessons but clearly from his instrumental music. (I guess you can hear that, or otherwise why did you choose Haydn as your avatar?) Finally: Beethoven his strongest teacher ( the same with Schubert) was: self teaching! He analysed many many scores from other composers. I don´t deny that all the mentioned composers learned something from Salieri but that were only final touches in certain ways, a very small part of the whole genius of them. So it´s ridiculous to claim such a thing as Salieri would be Frankenstein who constructed his composing robots.
I was at the doctor's office the other day and a piano concerto was playing on the background; Really good, classical, so I asked "is that Mozart?" he went check spotify... "Nope, Salieri". Now I'm here learning some more
Their styles surely resemble each other to some extent, being from the same era. There is even evidence suggesting that some of Mozart's works are inspired by his.
Very nice homerorivera6115! I listened to classical music off and on while growing up, but I never heard of Salieri until I watched Amadeus when it first came out in 1984, 40 years ago. I was 21 years old then. I really enjoy his music.
you seriously need to visit Salzburg and Vienna, get the facts from the museums. I won't spoil it for you...but Amadeus is originally a play..also alot of it is historically correct. Its all there for you in Austria.
Perhaps he felt that everything he composed was fought uphill. He had no confidence in his ability to make music. Genius knows and gets it right the first time while he had to write, test, rewrite, test it again and keep grinding until it was good. There is no struggle in genius. Salieri was competent composer - how else could he have taught Beethoven?
@@vksasdgaming9472 a genius doesn't get everything right the first time, but they never repeat a mistake. I think Salieri was a genius through-and-through.
@@milkwater1204 Using archery analogue master hits bullseye. Craftsman hits target. Judging by his music Salieri was the guy who shoots thousands of arrows until he hit bullseye reliably and then he comes out and shoots one arrow straight to bullseye as customer asked him to. Genius is the one who hits target nobody can see and most competent masters maybe see it looming there in the distance. Salieri was definitely competent composer and skilled businessman as well, but he just wasn't a genius. He definitely was able to see someone being more talented than he was.
I could sleep with both Salieri's music and Mozart's. with Salieri's, the background to my dream would be a peaceful forest, with Mozart's, it would be an ocean on a stormy night.
His music is beautiful, and he was a person who helped Mozart and his family a lot! The film was a disservice, but it brought a curiosity about this composer! The truth always appears
I am happy to see so many people listen to his music. The movie Amadeus was excellent, but very unfair to his legacy. In the end, he deserves to be remembered for who he was, what he achieved ,and above all, what he created... pffew so many commas, my grammar teacher would cringe :-)
@@polarper8165 I just don't like falsity. That movie discredited his name and I find that very sad because he did not deserve it and also was one of the best of his times and now is very hated and underrated. Probably Mozart died from cirrhosis, he drank a lot and suffered for his life. It's highly unlikely Salieri murdered an unknown nobody, plus Salieri was a nice soul always ready to offer his teachings for free to poor children that couldn't afford it.
@@loofms9167 Well, for, me everyone is innocent until proven guilty... so that makes Salieri innocent. I agree, its a great disservice to his legacy and they should have made a fake character to have this role.
When you compare this work to the work of a gifted super-genius prodigy, yeah it's not as inventive. If you allow it to stand on its own WITH NO COMPARISON, simply as good musical composition, it's really quite beautiful. I couldn't compose this! I wish I could! Thank God for Salieri. His legacy lives on through his students.
Un magnifique compositeur! Qui vécut toujours dans l'ombre d'un autre... Personnellement, j'aime beaucoup mozart, mais c'est dommage que monsieur salieri, n'ait pas eu sa place, car il la méritait.
I find some of these comments about Antonio Salieri's talent are laughable. All I know is that Ludwig Beethoven dedicated his Three Sonatas for piano and violin (D, A, E-flat major) op. 12 (1797-8) to Antonia Salieri, and that was before studying with with him. That means that at least one person who knew what he was doing thought Antonio Salieri was pretty damn good.
I don´t want to judge about Salieris skills but besides that its also a bit laughable to believe that a dedication has inevitably to do with artistical appreciation or a statement about it. Beethoven made a lot of dedications and mostly in cold deliberation or gratitude as for example for his patrons (as for example archduke Rudolph, count: Lichnowsky, Kinsky, Waldstein, Lobkowitz, Rasumovsky,...) who paid him annuity or supported him in another way. as far as Salieri concerned I want to paste a citation from the Beethoven-House in Bonn (Beethoven scientific research): "It is more likely that Beethoven used the dedication to attract attention and to obtain Salieri's good will. At that time Salieri was the most important and most influential musician in Vienna. Not only was he the music director at court, he was also president of the Tonkünstler Society (1788-95) and later its vice president. For a young and aspiring composer it was wise to win the support of such an influential man (www.beethoven.de, 29.08.2019)." Beethoven dedicated his works to many, different people (also to his love affairs, piano pupils, publishers,...) so sorry to disappoint some of you and your wishful thinking.
@@baremeg3875 Well, besides good or bad which is relative (its everyones right to judge it subjectively, regrettably many do it objectively) and I guess most of these posting users on YT don´t have any music training to be able to judge this in every aspect (theory of harmonics, forms, counterpoint,...) you shouldn´t forget that this positions had a big part of administrative, organisational work too. it´s a bit shortsighted to judge the skills only by the position, there was, for example, also a man called Ignaz Aßmayr the president of Tonkünstler-Society...so was he automatically a great composer because he had this position? and Mozart or Schubert worse, because they had never an important official function in their life? Is every president in the world a good politician because he is president? It´s all more complex then some of you think. And nothing against Salieri (of course he had some skills and don´t want to deny that), but there were some other good composers at this time who receive not even a fraction of attention which Salieri has on YT because they were not included in the Amadeus movie...do you know composers like J.M. Kraus, Wranitzky, Vanhal, Kozeluch, Pleyel, Eybler,...? so some of this Salieri-Fans should be grateful that he was in this movie because otherwise he would have such low number of visitors on YT as all these other mentioned composers. and another thing to think about...some people here are claiming he is as good or better than Mozart...just one sober question to those who are claiming it: If this would be the truth, why weren´t / aren´t there enough conductors, musicians, scholars,...who strive (with deep convincement) to establish Salieri regularly on (worldwide) concert programs in the way they did it for example with Mahler (supported by Walter, Bernstein,...) , Schubert (supported by Mendelssohn, Schumann,...), Vivaldi (many musicians),... has anybody a funny conspiracy theory? ;-) Ah yes well...for sure all these musicians are so dumb to believe until today he killed Mozart ^^ that´s really very reasonable...:-))
@@baremeg3875 Just Me gave you a better answer than I will, but I will just say that if you look throughout history, the greatest people of their times and popularity don't always correspond--at all, in some cases. Only the most fortunate geniuses, or those who live long enough at least to see their reputations established, are recognized in their time. Often they rank more like 3rd to 5th on the list of most people composers/artists/writers, if they even get that lucky.
Maestro_T well as a listener I place Salieris operaes side by side with Mozarts operaes. Why his (great) operaes didnt «survive» I have no idea. But I enjoy them.
@@baremeg3875 Haydn's operas haven't survived either, among others by, say, Schubert and Schumann, and I guarantee they are a hundred times better than Salieri's. The question isn't really about enjoyment, which is a subjective thing, but about genius, which isn't.
Been listening to this overture for the past few days while studying. This guy is not at all a second rate composer. Too bad he's not as recognized as well as I think he should be... !
In the movie "Saltieri" calls himself the "Patron Of Mediocres" when old of age, because his own music was less known than Mozart's- but in truth hew as a genious (only a genious can truly appreciate the depth of another genious work after all). Time will tell and it seems it tells that he was a very worthy of attention.
Man who taught greatest composer of all time is not "Patron of Mediocres" at all. Most likely most of his students were not Beethoven's level of skill, but he made a good living with his craft.
I can see pictures, while Mozart makes me see pizza and some weird commercials. Full of emotions, happy or sad, this makes me think of present "future", we live in a future, future is now, living in it. 16 minutes feels like a breef of seconds. This guy is genius.
While my father prayed earnestly to God, to "protect commerce", I would offer up secretly the proudest prayer a boy could think of: "Lord, make me a great composer. Let me celebrate Your glory through music and be celebrated myself. Make me famous through the world, dear God. Make me immortal. After I die, let people speak my name forever with love for what I wrote. In return, I will give You my chastity, my industry, my deepest humility, every hour of my life. Amen". And do you know what happened? A miracle!
That film wasn't that realistic when it came to Salieri. He was married fir one thing. For another he and Mozart didn't hate each other. Salieri taugh Mozarts son and Moazart was supposedly incapable of hating a fellow composer. But he was a Baroque Michael Jackson though.
Mr Wolf; Never take movies like it as to be accurate - it is a fictional piece based on a play that in turn based the story on rumors fueld by Germans who disliked that Italians did not want German in their Opera. Or there is little actually evidence for the plot of the movie, albeit it is a great one.
Have listened to this composer for the first time in my life recently - such pleasant music - and how could it be ever called UNtalented by anyone?)) - Now it's in my playlist of music for work - very soothing and inspiring.
It's sad when people take fiction, good or bad, as the truth. Specially in some places where people seem to have learned history through movies...and don't read books, or if they do is to confirm their ideas🤔
The real tragedy of salieri is that he was brilliant and definitely a master but no matter how good you are when you are a peer to a once in a lifetime genius, like mozart, you will be outshined.
Salieri was Mozart's son teacher and in a way also Mozart's teacher. He was NOT jealous, he was like a father for Mozart... Moreover Mozart was not really famous until his death while Salieri was the most famous of his times.
@@loofms9167 Mozart was never his student. They were colleagues. Mozart's father was like a father to Mozart. Are you just spouting random things here?
You're all telling me Mozart's enemy (no he wasn't) tutored Chopin's friend, Liszt ? And NO ONE told me ?! I'm internally screaming. Mozart was very important for Chopin, and their "friends" were in fact related ? Amazing
It's really interesting how these big names mingled with each other in history. Mozart allegedly borrowed another renowned pupil of Salieri's and taught him for a short while, and that pupil was Beethoven.
No. I agree Salieri is a great composer, but no one can bring the tremendous imagination and fire as Mozart. If you prefer Salieri instead Mozart, maybe you're a diletante like Emperor Joseph.
Emperor Joseph was not simpleminded, nor did he try to call himself a musician. He just loved music. The movie -- fantastic as it is -- is quite unfair to him, as it is to Salieri.
"Amadeus" was a GREAT movie, and it's one of my all-time favorites, but it's a shame that its greatest had to come at the expense of the reputation of a great composer. Someone should make a movie that sets the record straight.
To all people who blame Forman for insulting Salieri: The legend that "the hack Salieri" killed "the genius Mozart" was popularized by Alexander Pushkin (Моцарт и Сальери) in 1830 and later on by Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov. So, when Forman uses this legend he is doing ARTS and not HISTORY... ;)
According to six or seven Mozart biographies I've read, the basis of the murder stories came from Salieri himself. As an old man, he claimed that he had killed Mozart, so neither Shaffer, nor Forman, made the story up from whole cloth (although Shsffer certainly took a lot of artistic license). Most historians believe that Salieri's claim to have killed Mozart was perhaps the result of senility, or perhaps, a confused sense of guilt over some slight he did Mozart during his time in Vienna.
This was only a rumour without any basis. One month after Salieri's passing the following attestation was made, "We the undersigned, who are, by profession, attendants on the sick (infermiere), declare, in the presence of God and man, that in the spring of 1824, we were called to attend the Cavaliere Salieri, maestro di cappela to the Royal court, and that during the whole course of his long illness we never quitted him a single moment; that is, when one of us was absent, the other always remained in attendance. We also attest, that in consequence of his weak state, no one was permitted to visit him except ourselves and his medical attendants; it being judged proper that not even the members of his own family should see him. With respect, therefore, to the following question put to us; Whether it is true that the aforesaid Cavaliere Salieri had said, during his illness, that he had poisoned the celebrated composer Wolfgang Mozart? - we reply, upon our honor and conscience, that we never heard such words uttered by the said Salieri, nor the slightest mention of anything alluding to it, In confirmation of this, we subscribe our names as follows: Giorgio Rosenberg, Infermiere Amadeo Porsche, Infermiere presso il Signor Salieri, Maestro di Capella di Corte." check salieri-online dot com
Salieri opera "Europa riconosciuta" was first performed for the inauguration of "Teatro Alla Scala" in Milan. He was famous at his time, the history of the movie, is just a movie.
Thanks for posting this. Admittedly, "the movie" brought me here, and the controversy it generated taught me quite a bit about Signore Salieri's true place in history. Before classical music buffs start dog-piling on me for not being aware of Salieri's musical stature outside his treatment in "the movie", please note that I don't get notified of responses to my posts and I don't really care about how my posts are received, so spare the electrons and your time. Bottom line, thank you again for posting this.
Happy for Salieri that a baseless claim fictionalized with reckless abandon by a film director careless of someone else's legacy now puts his music at the forefront were it deserves to be.
Antonio Salieri is described as an underrated composer in comparison with Mozart in the movie "Amadeus". But I learn that Antonio Salieri is a gifted composer when I listen his works.
bu müthiş birşey oldu benim için. 27 ekimde Türkiyede çok başarılı bir Mozart tiyatrosunu izleyince Salierinin eserlerini çok merak ettim. Eğer iddialar doğruysa Salieri kendi yeteneğini farkedememiş ya da büyüklüğünü. Bu eserler şiir gibi.
A great and badly underrated composer. There were so many excellent composers during his time that it is not really surprising. Regarding the movie and poisoning conspiracy, this theory is not based on Pushkin's story, but on the alleged "confession" of Salieri. Thirty years later, when he went mad and tried to kill himself. There were several other more plausible candidates, including the jealous husband of Mozart's young female student. Don't forget his own doctors, who treated him with toxic drugs containing stibium... All that stuff had nothing to do with music.
Having grown up on Mozart, and seen the movie, it is easy to put the word 'mediocre' on his music, but I think a more correct term is 'modest'. For Mozart, complexity in simplicity came naturally, but Salieri knew his limits, and I think he needs credit for that. Most of us achieve that high level of incompetence and fall from there.
Bether them Mozart. They told us laiered history about Salieri. Second other people said that Salieri helped Mozart in among situations. Salieri is alived Their music will never dye. Fron Brasil to the world.
if somebody opened this music and said this is Mozart i would believe, not all music of mozart are pieces of pure gold and i hear same motives and beaty here , i would ever suggest that composers developed ideas of each other in their own way of beaty.
I think that was kind of the point (or one of the themes) of the movie. To illustrate that Mozart was a genius and that Salieri was a...antihero?? dark horse?? I can't think of the word but the perspective of Salieri in the film never made me dislike him. Underdog! That's the word! Milos Forman made him an underdog. You'd have to be insane or a total dickhead to not love Salieri in the film.
like most of Hollywood films, especially historical ones it was highly manipulative. Mozart came off as a totally awkward jackass but that was the intent. On the other hand as long as people recognize that it is just fun and not meant to be taken seriously it is fine to enjoy the spectacle of what might have been. Napoleon said it best, 'history is a set of lies agreed upon.' Even peer reviewed historical facts are filled with vague assertions and erroneous details of the likes that would make Phil Simms blush.
F. Murray Abraham's performance was definitely the standout performance in Amadeus (not that Hulce's Mozart was bad or anything in fact it was pretty great imo).
He did, I was there, I was cleaning Mozart's house to see the great composer and this tool kept saying drink my homemade wine it will help with your malattia. I paid no attention to it, until I leaped back to 2021 and was like, oh this make sence now.
Vous racontez n’importe quoi. Les vrais connaisseurs connaissent le grand talent de Salieri. Vous êtes, apparemment, pas un connaisseur... Il n’a pas eu besoin d’un film hollywoodien pour continuer à être écouté.
To all who wonder if that movie was the truth: no, that's just discrediting fiction. It's highly unlikely Salieri murdered an unknown nobody. Yes, because at those times Salieri was the top of the top, rich and famous, whether Mozart died in absolute poverty, more likely from cirrhosis as he drank a lot to forget his life. Plus, Salieri was a nice soul, always ready to offer his teachings for free to poor children who couldn't afford them. Unfortunately, history hit hard on Mr. Salieri and discredited his once-recognized name with falsities. Salieri and Mozart had a good father-son relationship. Mozart learned a lot from Mr. Salieri, as he said that he studied Salieri's music. Salieri also taught Liszt, Beethoven, and Schubert. Salieri is the most forgotten and underrated genius in the history of music. May one day the world remember you, and in the way you truly were, as the gentleman, great master and composer you were, Mr. Salieri.
Великолепная музыка и замечательные комментарии настоящих знатоков музыкальной истории позволили мне расширить кругозор. Всем спасибо! Теперь я услышала в первый раз музыку Сальери, и мне она очень нравится. А Пушкин ведь сказал "Нет правды на земле, но правды нет и выше..." Сегодня столько фейков, что этому старинному, про отравление, уже и не удивишься...
Lot's of comments regarding the play/film "Amadeus" here, but the main takeaway from those should be the fact that Salieri was able to recognize the indisputable genius of Mozart, and Salieri's lack thereof. It doesn't make him a bad composer, just not on Mozart's level, and he knew it.
The fact that literally ALL the comments are about how underrated he is compared to Mozart exactly shows that he would have become totally forgotten if people didn't get their knowledge of classical music from A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE
Salieri was really famous in his day but today, if you ask your average non-classical music listener they would recognize the name "Mozart" more than "Salieri".
Sure, Mozart was better, but there's room for more than 1 composer in any given time period. Mozart took risks in his music, Salieri didn't. But that's no reason why we shouldn't be remembering Salieri too.
There are many underrated composers that are just as good as the big 3 or haven’t went mainstream. What’s your point? This isn’t a popularity contest, people are just stating he should get more recognition.
I remember watching Amadeus in my 6th grade music class so maybe 1988 or so. I fell in love with the film and Salieri was such a tragic character, almost Luciferian in a fall from grace kind of way. My 1st question to the teacher was “can you hear his music?” since after the film we listened to Mozart for awhile. Without hesitation she said “no, you can’t, it’s not available” even then as a kid with zero knowledge of Classical Music I thought, that’s ridiculous. He was the Court Composer, none of his work survived?? Mozart came in and we just forgot all about Salieri?? I didn’t say anything but it’s almost like she was pushing the film’s narrative that Mozart came in and was superior to everything and everyone. I won’t contest his brilliance but aside from her asinine answer, music is subjective. I’m sure there are people that appreciate his work, even then, even after Mozart showed up. Again, I’m not well schooled in Classical but I do know what I enjoy and what moves me and this is absolutely incredible. I’d love to have it on vinyl. Thank you for posting!
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C est pas mozart
What i love about Salieri's music is how frugal it sounds and yet, so rich at the same time. Somewhat like there is no "Humpf" in it but for the simple reason that it doesn't need it. The magic happens when you close your eyes and you can almost taste the colors of the theme that is playing.
What an extraordinary, even unique composer he was.
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i cant really say as i am discovering him... i'm not an expert in classical music genre but i always appreciate it..
@@dynad00d15 yes, i like the ummm, wine, very uhh winey
@@HALIDONMUSIC his piano concerto in C major is a favorite of mine!
Damn that’s exactly what I thought!
To all these people comparing who was a better composer. Please, just appreciate the beautiful art these people have made for us to experience. It was made to be enjoyed, not to be fought over.
Comparison is an offense. Both composers were fantastic. I like them both
Michael You can say whatever you want about either of them, but the fact remains - they *both* created their *own* music. That is a whole lot more than what you can say about many of today's top "artists" who are but products of shrewd businessmen working at a record label. That they have the audacity and gall to call themselves "musicians" is just absurd. We're talking about people who never wrote a single song, don't play any instrument, didn't produce their albums or even contributed to the development of the genre in any, way, shape or form but how somehow attained the status of "musical legends".
Now fair enough, some singers were more revered than the composers during the epoch of great composers, but at least they could sing and really had to devote themselves to their craft.
Them's fightin' words.
Finally a wise TH-cam commentor.
@@paulallen8109 He was talkimg.about Salieri and Mozart, not contemporary pop musicians. Keep your focus.
If it wasn't for "Amadeus" this music would probably be forgotten. I'm glad Salieri lives on.
They kinda did him dirty tho
are you nuts ! if not for Amadeus the film this would have more recognition !
@@damiyoflapies8473 Nope, before the movie came out, Antonio Salieri's music was almost completely forgotten. It hadn't been played for over 100 years before that movie came out
Para los que saben de música nunca fue así, Salieri es más grande de lo que la película Amadeus dice, Hollywood ensucio con una película basada en una obra de teatro que fantaseaba con esa idea, Salieri no se limitaba a componer y tocar música. Fue también un gran docente, profesor de Mozart, de Beethoven, de Liszt y Schubert, entre otros grandes músicos. Beethoven, agradecido, le dedicó tres sonatas. La vida de Salieri se cruzó muchas veces con el niño prodigio de Salzburgo, hijo del famoso maestro de música de corte Leopold Mozart.
actually i feel the movie it's about Salieri, but just uses Mozart as a selling point, the title of the movie it's "amadeus" which means "loving god" which it's one of the struggles of Salieri during the plot ... Salieri was the main character of that movie, also my favourite character, he wasnt dirty or evil, just human.
After watching the film I was curious to hear Antonio Salieri and I'm quite shocked at how good he really is.
Tell me about it! I had no idea.
His music is rarely played in Concert halls and he wrote 40 Operas.
@@denisebrucato9073 Going to listen to all his music.
He's a very good composer and its a shame they portrayed him in the film a certain way.
@@jeffreykaufmann2867 Its a shame they don't play his music a lot more.
He's an excellent composer and he's in my playlist now.
@@darrenhirst9900 Mozart's Violin Concerto #3 and Piano Concerto 24 are excellent. Many consider the 24th his best Piano Concerto. You've heard them?
I just learned that Salieri tutored Liszt, Schubert, and Beethoven - could you imagined if THIS was put in the Amadeus film?!
No wonder they turned out to be great musicians. They had such a wonderful teacher!
+Ramon LeBlanc Harts That would have been a bit awkward, given that Schubert and Liszt were born 6 and 20 years respectively _after_ Mozart's death in 1791 :P
That film was fiction. It was a "re-imagining" of Mozart's life... and a great movie. Told from a VERY historically inaccurate perspective...but it brought gravitas to Mozart's genius.
Samurai Fingers What was so historically inaccurate about it that you had to write VERY in all capital letters?
you can tell if you knew. The sad part of Mozart's Life and how he actually died is that not much is clear and mostly consisted of stories and tales that is hard to verify since a lot of people only knew Mozart through his exploits that he had made. You should read more and conduct research if you want to get the full explanation.
I'm sure that in his time that Solari felt overshadowed by Wolfgang Mozart. He could never have predicted that after all these centuries the world would rediscover his beautiful symphonies and operas through the internet and continue to listen to his work. Bravo Salieri...BRAVO! Grazie signora!
Neither Mozart nor Salieri felt overshadowed by the other. They both respected each other and supported each other's works from time to time.
They also wrote a cantata together.
Signore* signora means lady 😂
I don't blame "Amadeus". Without that movie most of us wouldn't even be here to discover Salieri's masterpieces.
its not the movies that mostly brought people here its the book
@@AreamtheGreat don't be naive :D
It came from Pushkin's poem "Mozart and Salieri". Milosh Forman's movie were influenced by Pushkin. Pushkin was a brilliant poet, but he gave new literatural life to rumors about Mozat's death. Salieri is extremely underrated. He, at least, not worst than Mozart.
Salieri have his own details in musical style, I can't say exactly which, but... If to compare styles of many classicism era composers, a lot of them are real clones of Mozart or Haydn in style. For example, Pleyel, Kozeluch, Paisiello. Or Mozart cloned style of some composers, like Joseph Myslivecek.
Underrated composer
Grazie Signore
Grazie Signore >:(
"All I ever wanted was to sing to God, and then he made mute?!"
Prego ;0
😂 😂 😂 👍
Schrodinger is the one who lightly taps on the window.
Bro Salieri taught for free. That's like Benjamin Zander's masterclasses on TH-cam but he is there all the time.
I would pay so much to have a lesson with Salieri. He taught Liszt and Beethoven. Like dude knows his stuff. He had to be one of the best music teachers of all time
Salieri was no slouch. He knew his business - which made him a great teacher. You can hear in his music he knew the conventions of his time. Mozart was another animal - much more challenging and explorative - genius - and carried the fire of Bach.
Of the dozen or so comments I read, yours is the most honest and accurate...
@@DanielLeoSimpson Thank you for the kind word.s
Exactly; Salieri sounds like a manual, or a tutorial: Mozart's work was incredibly clean and catchy and at the same time incredibly complex and multilayered
Compare Bach with Mozart do not make any sense. It is like comparing vertical dimension to horizontal. Bach is vertically great but horizontally weak, very weak and boring. Mozart is horizontally great although vertically perfect as well.
@@weiliu3623 I prefer the term "Bach walked so that Mozart could run." They're pioneers in their own way. Also keep in mind Bach is a harpsicord man, where as Mozart came about during the evolution into the romantic era, when Piano was becoming a thing.
I am so happy listening to Salieri's music. Never heard that before. It was actually the movie AMADEUS that keep returning to my mind. I have watched the movie over and over and been thinking about Salieri. He loved God and Music and prayed earnestly that God would make him Great. Pitiful, it is said that he confessed he killed Mozart which I doubt due to old age. But even if he did, He confessed and sure has earned a place at the right hand of God. Salieri should be celebrated just as he wrote...and if I die, let people speak about my music with love. God thank you for teaching us a lot of lessons from this AMADEUS MOVIE (Mozart and Salieri). Salieri your music is sweet and refreshing...certainly the 'rest are not the same'. Hail Mozart and Salieri
Just by thinking a little bit, how people are so dumb to the point in believing Salieri would poison Mozart when such was already dying of a disease? Not like Mozart was having the healthiest of lifestyles, drowning on bottles of alcohol and depression at that period too. It's terrible how Mozart story ended as well as it's unfair that Salieri's history had to be tainted by such a plain bad assumption. Antonio Salieri deserves more for what he has done. We wouldn't have Beethoven, Franz Lizst and Schubert if it weren't for his free teachings.
Why do you feel the reason to theorize around something that took place when wigs was considered fashion? ofcourse people had crazy theories. and no, he obviously didn´t do it. btw you used the whole history buffs video as information source so don´t play me lucas
sorry for being such a arshole, i can´t change my pp on yt
yeah yeah I used history buffs indeed for my info, do you have any extra source of information that turns me into an ignorant ape that doesn't know what I'm talking about? I know you asked for sorry, but still I should answer back as well, after a few months...
Fiction - Although it would be foolish to say that a proud Austrian such as Mozart didn't enjoy alcoholic beverages, he certainly wasn't an alcoholic, as the movie portrays him to be near the end of his life. His favorite drink was punch, which his friends said he drank in large quantities.
mozartsmusic.blogspot.co.id/2011/05/amadeus-fact-and-fiction.html?m=1
It´s always amusing to read on YT such naive, uninformed statements like "We wouldn´t have Beethoven, Franz Lizst (! - Liszt) and Schubert if it weren't for his free teachings." You think honestly that Beethoven wouldn´t have made his way without Salieri? He got all his talent and knowledge from Salieri? *lol* The truth is that Beethoven had former, more extensive instructions from Christian Gottlob Neefe in Bonn during his youth and when he came to Vienna he had already the reputation that he is very talented and skilled. Furthermore he had in Vienna not only Salieri but also Haydn, Johann Baptist Schenk and Johann Georg Albrechtsberger as teachers. We know that he selected Salieri only for instructions how to compose for lead vocals (not for more complex counterpoint in choir sections where Albrechtsberger was much better and Beethoven knew that) This was Salieris strength, that also told Schubert once to his friend but he told him also that he couldn´t learn as much as he wanted/needed from him. Everyone who has enough listening experience in classical music can hear it very obvious: Beethoven and Schubert are especially in their early symphonic (instrumental) music powerfully influenced by Haydn, although Beethoven was not very satisfied with the method of his lessons but clearly from his instrumental music. (I guess you can hear that, or otherwise why did you choose Haydn as your avatar?) Finally: Beethoven his strongest teacher ( the same with Schubert) was: self teaching! He analysed many many scores from other composers. I don´t deny that all the mentioned composers learned something from Salieri but that were only final touches in certain ways, a very small part of the whole genius of them. So it´s ridiculous to claim such a thing as Salieri would be Frankenstein who constructed his composing robots.
I was at the doctor's office the other day and a piano concerto was playing on the background; Really good, classical, so I asked "is that Mozart?" he went check spotify... "Nope, Salieri".
Now I'm here learning some more
Their styles surely resemble each other to some extent, being from the same era. There is even evidence suggesting that some of Mozart's works are inspired by his.
Very nice homerorivera6115! I listened to classical music off and on while growing up, but I never heard of Salieri until I watched Amadeus when it first came out in 1984, 40 years ago. I was 21 years old then. I really enjoy his music.
Sadly such a great composer shall be remembered not for his music but for a murder accusation based on Nothing.
while mozart will be remembered for "Lick my ass right well and clean":)
Thomas Stanger: Why do you think so?
+Thomas Stanger Thats not what I meant. I would like to know why you say that he started the rumour himself. Did you read it somewhere? Where?
you seriously need to visit Salzburg and Vienna, get the facts from the museums. I won't spoil it for you...but Amadeus is originally a play..also alot of it is historically correct. Its all there for you in Austria.
This is only a rumour but the fiction is very heavily dramatised in Amadeus. Salieri is a teacher to Beethoven and Schubert.
Salieri considered him self mediocre but the man was also a genius. not many people could do what he did with music.
Perhaps he felt that everything he composed was fought uphill. He had no confidence in his ability to make music. Genius knows and gets it right the first time while he had to write, test, rewrite, test it again and keep grinding until it was good. There is no struggle in genius. Salieri was competent composer - how else could he have taught Beethoven?
Salieri was the best of the best of his times. Rich and famous. Remember that Mozart was not really famous until many years from his departure.
Salieri wasn't mediocre or genius, but brilliant.
@@vksasdgaming9472 a genius doesn't get everything right the first time, but they never repeat a mistake. I think Salieri was a genius through-and-through.
@@milkwater1204 Using archery analogue master hits bullseye. Craftsman hits target. Judging by his music Salieri was the guy who shoots thousands of arrows until he hit bullseye reliably and then he comes out and shoots one arrow straight to bullseye as customer asked him to. Genius is the one who hits target nobody can see and most competent masters maybe see it looming there in the distance. Salieri was definitely competent composer and skilled businessman as well, but he just wasn't a genius. He definitely was able to see someone being more talented than he was.
totally not an average composer.
damn you, Forman.
He was the teacher of Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt. Just that....
I absolve your mediocrity
These compositions are so average artistically that it hurts my ears.
Blame the writer of the play the movie's based on, not the director of the movie lol
The blame should be on Pushkin.
C' est lourd et sans fin!!!! Mon dieu qu' il est difficile d' etre un bon professeur de musique et d' etre un génie.
I could sleep with both Salieri's music and Mozart's.
with Salieri's, the background to my dream would be a peaceful forest,
with Mozart's, it would be an ocean on a stormy night.
Too true!!😂
Among the MOST beautiful compositions I have ever heard!
Strange that a work of fiction that derided Salieri's work is causing a renewed interest in his music.
I just love how your picture is Mariya Takeuchi lol
Came because of hentai
His music is beautiful, and he was a person who helped Mozart and his family a lot! The film was a disservice, but it brought a curiosity about this composer! The truth always appears
The movie is actually how I discovered his music.
Good music!
I am happy to see so many people listen to his music. The movie Amadeus was excellent, but very unfair to his legacy. In the end, he deserves to be remembered for who he was, what he achieved ,and above all, what he created... pffew so many commas, my grammar teacher would cringe :-)
That movie was FAKE and DISCREDITED Salieri's memory! So it's not really good! It's a DISASTER!!!
@@polarper8165 I just don't like falsity. That movie discredited his name and I find that very sad because he did not deserve it and also was one of the best of his times and now is very hated and underrated.
Probably Mozart died from cirrhosis, he drank a lot and suffered for his life.
It's highly unlikely Salieri murdered an unknown nobody, plus Salieri was a nice soul always ready to offer his teachings for free to poor children that couldn't afford it.
@@loofms9167 Well, for, me everyone is innocent until proven guilty... so that makes Salieri innocent. I agree, its a great disservice to his legacy and they should have made a fake character to have this role.
When you compare this work to the work of a gifted super-genius prodigy, yeah it's not as inventive. If you allow it to stand on its own WITH NO COMPARISON, simply as good musical composition, it's really quite beautiful. I couldn't compose this! I wish I could! Thank God for Salieri. His legacy lives on through his students.
I can imagine Salieri's love for music would allow him to laugh with joy, grace and wonder at his depiction in Amadeus.
I’m grateful for the Amadeus film, because it turned me on to this great composer!!
Un magnifique compositeur! Qui vécut toujours dans l'ombre d'un autre...
Personnellement, j'aime beaucoup mozart, mais c'est dommage que monsieur salieri, n'ait pas eu sa place, car il la méritait.
I find some of these comments about Antonio Salieri's talent are laughable. All I know is that Ludwig Beethoven dedicated his Three Sonatas for piano and violin (D, A, E-flat major) op. 12 (1797-8) to Antonia Salieri, and that was before studying with with him. That means that at least one person who knew what he was doing thought Antonio Salieri was pretty damn good.
I don´t want to judge about Salieris skills but besides that its also a bit laughable to believe that a dedication has inevitably to do with artistical appreciation or a statement about it. Beethoven made a lot of dedications and mostly in cold deliberation or gratitude as for example for his patrons (as for example archduke Rudolph, count: Lichnowsky, Kinsky, Waldstein, Lobkowitz, Rasumovsky,...) who paid him annuity or supported him in another way. as far as Salieri concerned I want to paste a citation from the Beethoven-House in Bonn (Beethoven scientific research): "It is more likely that Beethoven used the dedication to attract attention and to obtain Salieri's good will. At that time Salieri was the most important and most influential musician in Vienna. Not only was he the music director at court, he was also president of the Tonkünstler Society (1788-95) and later its vice president. For a young and aspiring composer it was wise to win the support of such an influential man (www.beethoven.de, 29.08.2019)."
Beethoven dedicated his works to many, different people (also to his love affairs, piano pupils, publishers,...) so sorry to disappoint some of you and your wishful thinking.
@@baremeg3875 Well, besides good or bad which is relative (its everyones right to judge it subjectively, regrettably many do it objectively) and I guess most of these posting users on YT don´t have any music training to be able to judge this in every aspect (theory of harmonics, forms, counterpoint,...)
you shouldn´t forget that this positions had a big part of administrative, organisational work too. it´s a bit shortsighted to judge the skills only by the position, there was, for example, also a man called Ignaz Aßmayr the president of Tonkünstler-Society...so was he automatically a great composer because he had this position? and Mozart or Schubert worse, because they had never an important official function in their life? Is every president in the world a good politician because he is president? It´s all more complex then some of you think. And nothing against Salieri (of course he had some skills and don´t want to deny that), but there were some other good composers at this time who receive not even a fraction of attention which Salieri has on YT because they were not included in the Amadeus movie...do you know composers like J.M. Kraus, Wranitzky, Vanhal, Kozeluch, Pleyel, Eybler,...? so some of this Salieri-Fans should be grateful that he was in this movie because otherwise he would have such low number of visitors on YT as all these other mentioned composers.
and another thing to think about...some people here are claiming he is as good or better than Mozart...just one sober question to those who are claiming it: If this would be the truth, why weren´t / aren´t there enough conductors, musicians, scholars,...who strive (with deep convincement) to establish Salieri regularly on (worldwide) concert programs in the way they did it for example with Mahler (supported by Walter, Bernstein,...) , Schubert (supported by Mendelssohn, Schumann,...), Vivaldi (many musicians),... has anybody a funny conspiracy theory? ;-) Ah yes well...for sure all these musicians are so dumb to believe until today he killed Mozart ^^ that´s really very reasonable...:-))
@@baremeg3875 Just Me gave you a better answer than I will, but I will just say that if you look throughout history, the greatest people of their times and popularity don't always correspond--at all, in some cases. Only the most fortunate geniuses, or those who live long enough at least to see their reputations established, are recognized in their time. Often they rank more like 3rd to 5th on the list of most people composers/artists/writers, if they even get that lucky.
Maestro_T well as a listener I place Salieris operaes side by side with Mozarts operaes. Why his (great) operaes didnt «survive» I have no idea. But I enjoy them.
@@baremeg3875 Haydn's operas haven't survived either, among others by, say, Schubert and Schumann, and I guarantee they are a hundred times better than Salieri's. The question isn't really about enjoyment, which is a subjective thing, but about genius, which isn't.
Grande, grande Salieri... così calunniato da certa aneddotica!
sentendo le overture si capisce che il plagio c'e' da parte di Mozart.
Macte Nova Vertute!
As a composer, you can either try something new or write a piece in an existing style. Salieri did the latter, and he was an absolute master at it.
Bravo maestro Salieri. Purest classicism.
Virtuosíssimo. Adoro Salieri. Obrigado Halidon.
Been listening to this overture for the past few days while studying. This guy is not at all a second rate composer. Too bad he's not as recognized as well as I think he should be... !
In the movie "Saltieri" calls himself the "Patron Of Mediocres" when old of age, because his own music was less known than Mozart's- but in truth hew as a genious (only a genious can truly appreciate the depth of another genious work after all).
Time will tell and it seems it tells that he was a very worthy of attention.
Man who taught greatest composer of all time is not "Patron of Mediocres" at all. Most likely most of his students were not Beethoven's level of skill, but he made a good living with his craft.
I can see pictures, while Mozart makes me see pizza and some weird commercials.
Full of emotions, happy or sad, this makes me think of present "future", we live in a future, future is now, living in it.
16 minutes feels like a breef of seconds. This guy is genius.
While my father prayed earnestly to God, to "protect commerce", I would offer up secretly the proudest prayer a boy could think of: "Lord, make me a great composer. Let me celebrate Your glory through music and be celebrated myself. Make me famous through the world, dear God. Make me immortal. After I die, let people speak my name forever with love for what I wrote. In return, I will give You my chastity, my industry, my deepest humility, every hour of my life. Amen". And do you know what happened? A miracle!
Mr Wolf which quote does this came from?
From the movie "Amadeus"
That film wasn't that realistic when it came to Salieri. He was married fir one thing. For another he and Mozart didn't hate each other. Salieri taugh Mozarts son and Moazart was supposedly incapable of hating a fellow composer. But he was a Baroque Michael Jackson though.
Mr Wolf; Never take movies like it as to be accurate - it is a fictional piece based on a play that in turn based the story on rumors fueld by Germans who disliked that Italians did not want German in their Opera. Or there is little actually evidence for the plot of the movie, albeit it is a great one.
That whole quote is bullshit.
Salieri’s operas are amazing!
Have listened to this composer for the first time in my life recently - such pleasant music - and how could it be ever called UNtalented by anyone?)) -
Now it's in my playlist of music for work - very soothing and inspiring.
Ignorant people think that a fake movie is the truth (LOL), so he's hated because of that!!
It's sad when people take fiction, good or bad, as the truth.
Specially in some places where people seem to have learned history through movies...and don't read books, or if they do is to confirm their ideas🤔
I never knew that music like that was possible! One hears such sounds, and what can one say but... Salieri!
Salieri was a wonderful composer and teacher of many great composers. He is now being vindicated and his music is being discovered and played.
Grazie signora
Un Très grand talent de complexité et richesse musicale manié en chef 💞
The real tragedy of salieri is that he was brilliant and definitely a master but no matter how good you are when you are a peer to a once in a lifetime genius, like mozart, you will be outshined.
Salieri was Mozart's son teacher and in a way also Mozart's teacher. He was NOT jealous, he was like a father for Mozart... Moreover Mozart was not really famous until his death while Salieri was the most famous of his times.
@@loofms9167 Mozart was never his student. They were colleagues. Mozart's father was like a father to Mozart. Are you just spouting random things here?
@@Learnerofthings Mozart learned a lot from Salieri, he stated that in a letter, and that's for sure ;)
Maestro Anton Salieri, ich liebe dich. ❤
Those Follia variations are incredible. They need a place in the concert hall.
You're all telling me Mozart's enemy (no he wasn't) tutored Chopin's friend, Liszt ? And NO ONE told me ?! I'm internally screaming. Mozart was very important for Chopin, and their "friends" were in fact related ? Amazing
It's really interesting how these big names mingled with each other in history. Mozart allegedly borrowed another renowned pupil of Salieri's and taught him for a short while, and that pupil was Beethoven.
Moreover Mozart's son was also Salieri's student!!
Salieri is a great artist.
A great composer, vibrant and fun.
Big up for Salieri..he deserve a recognition for his compositions cause is the only true we know 100% form him!!
it is beautiful and calming,
thanks for uploading HALIDOMUSIC
Salieri was FAR FROM a second rate composer!
I think I prefer this to Mozart, Nightcorefan! I have just bought a CD of his overtures from Naxos.
No. I agree Salieri is a great composer, but no one can bring the tremendous imagination and fire as Mozart. If you prefer Salieri instead Mozart, maybe you're a diletante like Emperor Joseph.
Emperor Joseph was not simpleminded, nor did he try to call himself a musician. He just loved music. The movie -- fantastic as it is -- is quite unfair to him, as it is to Salieri.
Right. And that he knew himself. But the Best should not be the enemy of the Very Good.
There aren't diletantes or experts, there are listeners.
We need a Salieri movie!!
Yeah well there was this movie called Amadeus
We already have it
Ya know, coming from Amadeus, you wouldn't expect this to be so fantastic.
¡¡Hermoso!! Gracias Halidon! Apreciado desde San Rafael- Argentina🎶🌷
"Amadeus" was a GREAT movie, and it's one of my all-time favorites, but it's a shame that its greatest had to come at the expense of the reputation of a great composer. Someone should make a movie that sets the record straight.
To all people who blame Forman for insulting Salieri: The legend that "the hack Salieri" killed "the genius Mozart" was popularized by Alexander Pushkin (Моцарт и Сальери) in 1830 and later on by Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov. So, when Forman uses this legend he is doing ARTS and not HISTORY... ;)
According to six or seven Mozart biographies I've read, the basis of the murder stories came from Salieri himself. As an old man, he claimed that he had killed Mozart, so neither Shaffer, nor Forman, made the story up from whole cloth (although Shsffer certainly took a lot of artistic license). Most historians believe that Salieri's claim to have killed Mozart was perhaps the result of senility, or perhaps, a confused sense of guilt over some slight he did Mozart during his time in Vienna.
This was only a rumour without any basis. One month after Salieri's passing the following attestation was made,
"We the undersigned, who are, by profession, attendants on the sick (infermiere), declare, in the presence of God and man, that in the spring of 1824, we were called to attend the Cavaliere Salieri, maestro di cappela to the Royal court, and that during the whole course of his long illness we never quitted him a single moment; that is, when one of us was absent, the other always remained in attendance. We also attest, that in consequence of his weak state, no one was permitted to visit him except ourselves and his medical attendants; it being judged proper that not even the members of his own family should see him. With respect, therefore, to the following question put to us; Whether it is true that the aforesaid Cavaliere Salieri had said, during his illness, that he had poisoned the celebrated composer Wolfgang Mozart? - we reply, upon our honor and conscience, that we never heard such words uttered by the said Salieri, nor the slightest mention of anything alluding to it,
In confirmation of this, we subscribe our names as follows:
Giorgio Rosenberg,
Infermiere
Amadeo Porsche,
Infermiere presso il Signor Salieri,
Maestro di Capella di Corte."
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@@theodeborbamoosburger4903 Why would it be judged proper for his family not to see him? That's very odd.
Salieri died 72 years old. Even at that time, he wasnt so old as to be so senile
@@pendlera2959 Very odd that a vigil was kept, but no family allowed. They doth protest too much.
How childish to base a comment on Salieri on the works of Mozart fans!
This is amaizing. He was talented too
Salieri opera "Europa riconosciuta" was first performed for the inauguration of "Teatro Alla Scala" in Milan.
He was famous at his time, the history of the movie, is just a movie.
Tutta falsa,!!!!!!
Beautiful, Signor Salieri !
Beautiful I never heard a beautiful music like this!
I guarantee you that there is a lot of much more beautifull music than this one out there. Start with Mozart's music, for example...
Sérgio Azevedo
Get your head out of Hollywood movies and learn some history if you think Salieri is a bad composer.
You should play Mozart
Un genio infravalorado que merece todo el respeto a su talento.
Thanks for posting this. Admittedly, "the movie" brought me here, and the controversy it generated taught me quite a bit about Signore Salieri's true place in history. Before classical music buffs start dog-piling on me for not being aware of Salieri's musical stature outside his treatment in "the movie", please note that I don't get notified of responses to my posts and I don't really care about how my posts are received, so spare the electrons and your time. Bottom line, thank you again for posting this.
Hi, thanks for your comment. Hope you have added this video to your favorite playlist ;) have a nice day
Happy for Salieri that a baseless claim fictionalized with reckless abandon by a film director careless of someone else's legacy now puts his music at the forefront were it deserves to be.
Antonio Salieri is described as an underrated composer in comparison with Mozart in the movie "Amadeus". But I learn that Antonio Salieri is a gifted composer when I listen his works.
bu müthiş birşey oldu benim için. 27 ekimde Türkiyede çok başarılı bir Mozart tiyatrosunu izleyince Salierinin eserlerini çok merak ettim. Eğer iddialar doğruysa Salieri kendi yeteneğini farkedememiş ya da büyüklüğünü. Bu eserler şiir gibi.
Splendid music! Salieri was a clear precursos of Beethoven.
Salieri is as sunny as Mozart.
A great and badly underrated composer. There were so many excellent composers during his time that it is not really surprising. Regarding the movie and poisoning conspiracy, this theory is not based on Pushkin's story, but on the alleged "confession" of Salieri. Thirty years later, when he went mad and tried to kill himself. There were several other more plausible candidates, including the jealous husband of Mozart's young female student. Don't forget his own doctors, who treated him with toxic drugs containing stibium... All that stuff had nothing to do with music.
Having grown up on Mozart, and seen the movie, it is easy to put the word 'mediocre' on his music, but I think a more correct term is 'modest'. For Mozart, complexity in simplicity came naturally, but Salieri knew his limits, and I think he needs credit for that. Most of us achieve that high level of incompetence and fall from there.
Salieri's excellent music underscores that we should never, repeat, never take history lessons from Hollywood.
Doing a project on him for my music class. Thanks, dude!
Bether them Mozart. They told us laiered history about Salieri. Second other people said that Salieri helped Mozart in among situations. Salieri is alived Their music will never dye. Fron Brasil to the world.
Play Salieri
"Now THAT is a challenge."
SuperJakey92 I heard no fart in any of Salieris music!🤣
if somebody opened this music and said this is Mozart i would believe, not all music of mozart are pieces of pure gold and i hear same motives and beaty here , i would ever suggest that composers developed ideas of each other in their own way of beaty.
Let's not forget that this man was Bethoven's teacher. That's enough said
This is beautiful.
Love Salieri💖
Eterna Vita e Luce Mozart❤️🔥
I actually liked him better than Mozart in the movie
Yes, me too. First Darth Vader and then him.
Mozart IS the Best
I think that was kind of the point (or one of the themes) of the movie. To illustrate that Mozart was a genius and that Salieri was a...antihero?? dark horse?? I can't think of the word but the perspective of Salieri in the film never made me dislike him. Underdog! That's the word! Milos Forman made him an underdog. You'd have to be insane or a total dickhead to not love Salieri in the film.
like most of Hollywood films, especially historical ones it was highly manipulative. Mozart came off as a totally awkward jackass but that was the intent. On the other hand as long as people recognize that it is just fun and not meant to be taken seriously it is fine to enjoy the spectacle of what might have been. Napoleon said it best, 'history is a set of lies agreed upon.' Even peer reviewed historical facts are filled with vague assertions and erroneous details of the likes that would make Phil Simms blush.
F. Murray Abraham's performance was definitely the standout performance in Amadeus (not that Hulce's Mozart was bad or anything in fact it was pretty great imo).
Merci Monsieur
Grande senior Salieri
Salieri was actually very supportive to Mozart..., it’s sad that people think Salieri killed mozart.
Mozart blamed him for Vienna not accepting him as much as he'd like, as written in letters to his father.
He did, I was there, I was cleaning Mozart's house to see the great composer and this tool kept saying drink my homemade wine it will help with your malattia. I paid no attention to it, until I leaped back to 2021 and was like, oh this make sence now.
@@zerocool1344 "lol" -Mr.The Plague
@@old_romans lol
It's certainly possible that he did. Unlikely but it's not like they just came up with the most far fetched theory in the history of cinema.
With out Amadeus movie, salieri would still on the shadows, and nobady would listen him, that movie bring him alive again.
Yes, bad publicity is publicity!
صحيح
Vous racontez n’importe quoi.
Les vrais connaisseurs connaissent le grand talent de Salieri.
Vous êtes, apparemment, pas un connaisseur...
Il n’a pas eu besoin d’un film hollywoodien pour continuer à être écouté.
Salieri = musical Titan!
A man that taught Beethoven, Liszt, Schubert, and in a way Mozart too, how could it be otherwise?
To all who wonder if that movie was the truth: no, that's just discrediting fiction.
It's highly unlikely Salieri murdered an unknown nobody. Yes, because at those times Salieri was the top of the top, rich and famous, whether Mozart died in absolute poverty, more likely from cirrhosis as he drank a lot to forget his life.
Plus, Salieri was a nice soul, always ready to offer his teachings for free to poor children who couldn't afford them.
Unfortunately, history hit hard on Mr. Salieri and discredited his once-recognized name with falsities.
Salieri and Mozart had a good father-son relationship. Mozart learned a lot from Mr. Salieri, as he said that he studied Salieri's music.
Salieri also taught Liszt, Beethoven, and Schubert.
Salieri is the most forgotten and underrated genius in the history of music.
May one day the world remember you, and in the way you truly were, as the gentleman, great master and composer you were, Mr. Salieri.
Salieri was a badass and no one can tell me otherwise.
This is hardly the work of a mediocre composer.
Salieri is pretty darn good a composer despite what the movie Amadeus would have you believe
1:06 I love this theme! This whole piece is just brilliant. I need to discover more from Salieri. He's a great composer.
Великолепная музыка и замечательные комментарии настоящих знатоков музыкальной истории позволили мне расширить кругозор. Всем спасибо! Теперь я услышала в первый раз музыку Сальери, и мне она очень нравится.
А Пушкин ведь сказал "Нет правды на земле, но правды нет и выше..." Сегодня столько фейков, что этому старинному, про отравление, уже и не удивишься...
Забавно, учитывая эту цитату, что именно Пушкин внес огромный вклад в распространение слухов уничтожающих имя Сальери.
Jesus, stop taking the movie seriously, it was more an artistic piece than a historical documentary.
he truly i the father to many great composers and you can hear influence,
Mozart is great, but Salieri is the greatest!
I feel like you are joking.
Salieri fue el maestro que moldeo a varios, uno de ellos fue Beethoven.
Lot's of comments regarding the play/film "Amadeus" here, but the main takeaway from those should be the fact that Salieri was able to recognize the indisputable genius of Mozart, and Salieri's lack thereof. It doesn't make him a bad composer, just not on Mozart's level, and he knew it.
The fact that literally ALL the comments are about how underrated he is compared to Mozart exactly shows that he would have become totally forgotten if people didn't get their knowledge of classical music from A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE
Salieri was really famous in his day but today, if you ask your average non-classical music listener they would recognize the name "Mozart" more than "Salieri".
Sure, Mozart was better, but there's room for more than 1 composer in any given time period. Mozart took risks in his music, Salieri didn't. But that's no reason why we shouldn't be remembering Salieri too.
There are many underrated composers that are just as good as the big 3 or haven’t went mainstream. What’s your point? This isn’t a popularity contest, people are just stating he should get more recognition.
His music needs to be revived.
We couldn't agree more 💖
The myth of Salieri's feud with Mozart began with Alexander Pushkin's book "Mozart and Salieri" (1830)
Oui.
Et le film n’est qu’une fiction, il n’a aucun rapport avec la réalité historique.
I remember watching Amadeus in my 6th grade music class so maybe 1988 or so. I fell in love with the film and Salieri was such a tragic character, almost Luciferian in a fall from grace kind of way. My 1st question to the teacher was “can you hear his music?” since after the film we listened to Mozart for awhile. Without hesitation she said “no, you can’t, it’s not available” even then as a kid with zero knowledge of Classical Music I thought, that’s ridiculous. He was the Court Composer, none of his work survived?? Mozart came in and we just forgot all about Salieri?? I didn’t say anything but it’s almost like she was pushing the film’s narrative that Mozart came in and was superior to everything and everyone. I won’t contest his brilliance but aside from her asinine answer, music is subjective. I’m sure there are people that appreciate his work, even then, even after Mozart showed up. Again, I’m not well schooled in Classical but I do know what I enjoy and what moves me and this is absolutely incredible. I’d love to have it on vinyl. Thank you for posting!
Que hermosa musica. Como pudieron ofender tanto a este gran músico. y todo por el lucro,,
a mi juicio.
Maestro Salieri
"The rest is just the same, isn't it?"
"You have a remarkable memory!"
😂😂😂😂
"I speak for all mediocrities in the world. I am their champion. I am the patron's saint. Mediocrities everywhere... I absolve you."
Some of the most sublime music love his music.
I came here just because I was baffled by how he was portrayed in that movie