Jack the Ripper: What could I do in order to get nation-wide attention? Also Jack Ripper: What? Dumping body parts in the Thames doesn't work? Also Jack Ripper: What? Not even dumping them in the Scotland Yard building??
Mr Stow, as it has been over one month since your last upload, I do hope all is well with you and that Covid hasn't gotten to you. Stay healthy. Your fans miss your posts.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I absolutely love your video's simply draws you in, I always felt that Aaron Kosminsky wasn't a prime suspect for me. I always wondered if a suspect fitted the murders and then Charles Allen Cross aka Lechmere showed up as the most viable suspect possibly out of all other known JTR suspects. I also feel Lechmere was the Thames Torso Murderer ,I just feel he didn't really stop and most likely changed his MO, cunning,clever,worked in Pickfords had he's own cart knew Whitechapel and surrounding areas lived in and around Whitechapel perfect Serial Killer instincts. Can't wait for more of your videos thanks..
@@deancordery5935 You are right this is the kind of individual capable of a variety of MOs. Same about Kominsky, Christer and Mr Stow are right in almost all of these murders Whitechapel, torso etc there is ALWAYS a link or connection leading to Charles A Lechmere. I'd like to know how many people died from his hand . I reckon we are far from the real number. I also think he may not have been alone, not on the streets but logistically talking this family hides something even darker in my opinion. A highly dangerous individual. if only we could know the story behind the kid who lived with his mum. His mum must have understood he had something to do with this evil killing spree across London. Mothers often know the true nature of their offspring, and I'm not sure but they were only 2 kids the sister died at 24 Emily Charlotte .
Lechmere being a cartman would have had easy and unquestioned access to this type of workplace surely. Wish we could know his work route in 1888 would be a fascinating read.
It's a bit obvious that he didn't youse the same route daily or he would have passed Officer Niel every morning on the way to work ,same for Paul? Did they walk the same route the next day? Why did PC Niel not wonder where they were? Because she was never there? And it was a possible staged crime scene ?
In terms of a location for the Torso murders how about the Backchurch Lane catsmeat sheds. Near Pinchin Street (I think). Lechmere’s mum was in the cat meat business. Is it possible he had access to and use of the sheds ?
New scotland yard ? Was that where body parts were found in the foundations during construction? Scotland yard police are the only real police in London at the time of jtr, according to sherlock Homes ? Or should I say Conan, who wrote the book? Hmm, Conan, was he born in Edinburgh, or was he educated at the University of Edinburgh ? He must have been aware of Burke and Hare being a keen writer of fictional crimes ? I think they supplied the recent dead to trainee students by digging them up .Conan might have used it in a film, the house of terror staring Basil Rathbone ,but the bodies in the film were destroyed and dressed with the clothes, to make them appear to be someone else? I think ? The body parts found in Mary Shelly s grandsons garden are very dramatic or symbolic ,after all, she was the author of Frankenstien ? If Burke and Hare were around London at that time, you would think it was them ? It would be easy to rule out if dna samples could be collected from the nearest university and didn't match with surviving relatives ? Love a good conspiracy theory?
I removed last..Wrong vid, can’t find ref. Buck’s Row … but as Lech was cleverly deceptive is it possible he was actually on his way *home* from a late work shift?..An episode of “the Veil” quotes this! This gives him time to walk with Robert Paul. Theoretically could this have a significant impact on who heard what? etc
Thank you for another fascinating video, Mr. Stow. I find it very interesting that the woman's uterus was removed. What are your thoughts as to why the murderer did so?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 If Lechmere was JTR and responsible for other murders a possible motive for collecting uteri may have been economic and were for sale. He had a large family to feed with much financial pressure. When one looks at Annie Chapman, Catherine Eddowes the sole purpose seems to the acquiring of the uterus, swiftly killed, uterus removed and taken away into the night. Polly Nichols may have had her Uterus removed too if JTR had not been disturbed.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Yes, I realize the connection to the Ripper Murders. Perhaps taking body parts as souveniers of his murders? Many serial killers take personal belongings of their victims as souveniers, so that they can later relive the crimes in the mind's eye more intensely.
Wasn't there a lot of organ theft taking place in the mortuarys back then? Eddowes uterus was removed really cleanly with a straight professional cut. Mitre square would have been pitch black and he would have had to have strangled her to death (1-2 minutes to do) mutilate her face and remove her uterus perfectly. In the dark. Blood every where and his hands would have been slipping and with the police presence and patrols he would have been rushing. I think the uteruses were removed in the mortuarys and sold on from there. Burke and hare were killing people to sell to medical schools or to science and actually made a fairly decent living. Grave robbing was also rife back then aswell
@@theobjectivethinker64 I imagine the removal of inner organs may have been for financial gain, however, the gross mutilation of some of the bodies was probably done simply for the 'shock factor'.
I believe that man seen climbing the fence was in fact the culprit. And he was checking upon the remains perhaps to see if they were still there or what was going on around them because they hadn't been discovered yet. And maybe also like so many other serial killers, they like to visit the locations/graves & the like of their victims and where the murders took place. Or for both reasons, he couldn't resist visiting out of overwheming curiousity, knowing her remains were still there undiscovered. Or maybe they were not dumped there all at one time. They were kept elsewhere and taken in their already decomposed state to be disposed of. I know it seems unlikely someone would be able to tolerate the smell and then take it out into the street risking somebody smelling it. But not if he had it well wrapped up in amougst a cart full of stuff. Maybe other strong smelling meat or fish etc. And its just going along the road not like he's carrying it down the busy streets. I know there was a big meat market place in London that was open in the early hours. Can't rememember much about it but it was in a documentary i seen. I think it's in the sight of where executions used to take place. There had also been several other serial killers who kept the bodies/body parts around for a long time until they begin to stink the place out and had no choice but to then get rid of them if they lived with others or have close by neighbours. Like Dennis Neilson i believe and another one that lived with his elderly grandmother who started noticing the smell i think he kept them in his bedroom under his bed & he'd keep making excuses why it stunk. That he just hadn't cleaned his room. Then he'd have to get rid of the bodies. They become more acustomed to the smell over time. Then there was Jefrey Dahmer who lived with body parts all around him, made an alter from bones & skulls. They may have been gradualy dropping the parts into the Thames & other areas one or two parts at a time rather than all the same victim all at once. That's why they seen to be all over the place with different times it would be different tidal flows and different weather etc.
None of the heads were found so the perpetrator clearly was able to dispose of parts in a way they wouldn't be discovered. As the head was virtually the only real means by which a victim could be identified it seems plausible this was the reason for the effort. The other body parts were left to chance it seems. Dumping in the river, can't tell the odds but it can go either way. Especially since they weren't weighted down. It seemed sufficient they were dumped without anyone seeing him. After that, up to chance. That makes the dumping in the Scotland Yard building very odd indeed. To take such an unnecessary risk when he could have done so from a bridge (ps. the bridge under construction might also be a good spot as there would be no traffic). And leave them at a spot they with a high degree of certainty would eventually be found also deviates. No 'up the chance' here. I'm sure there were many other construction sites as well so the future headquarters of the Met also seems significant. Never have delved in to the Torso Murders and am no doubt saying nothing new here, just giving my first impressions. It was a statement of sorts by the perpetrator. From modern serial killers we know it's not uncommon. That is, as long as it doesn't involve extra risks of getting caught. He must have been either very confident he wouldn't be spotted or noticed, or very motivated. Interesting stuff. Thanks.
Maybe the heads were boiled and skulls kept, buried or sold on the rare antiquities black market. Could have been a medical student prank or because they didn't have a face - therefore humanity taken. Couldnt be identified either. Yes they are probably worse but jack the ripper has been romantised and has that phantom figure quality.
Did 1880's London stink so much that those workman involved in the Whitehall incident didn't notice a rotting torso that had been there for six weeks.???
I have a theory. What if it is a combination of the suspects? Fred deeming I've heard and Joseph Barnet aswell (especially with Mary kelly) he lived in the flat. Knew prostitutes through Mary kelly and didn't approve of it. Was a fish porter by all accounts. He had access to the flat and Mary kelly would have been comfortable enough to let him in. They also had an argument and broke up - how many times do ex partners kill each other? Charles lechmere definitely has either the worst luck but I believe he actually killed 3 maybe 4. Stride I would say could be anyone though. It was a dodgy time and full of dodgy characters. I think lechmere killed nichols. Tabram, eddows and chapman and coles, Mary kelly looked and seemed personal. Joseph Barnett has the motive (jealousy. Rage scorned lover) the means (he lived there and knew how to gain access) and the perfect foil in lechmere doing the other killings of prostitutes he knew she would be put as a ripper victim. Lechmere saw this and thought woah ok someone out there is worse and reigned it in Because of the heat and uproar Mary kelly caused. The reason I don't think Mary kelly was actually a victim of lechmere is because the murders previous were strangulation with mutilation AFTER death. But they were in terms of veracity 7/8 out of 10. Mary kelly was a full 10/10. Thats my theory anyway- I agree lechmere was the ripper though but stride and Mary kelly weren't his vitims
We won’t know for sure but a part of me thinks the same. I also think Tumblety had a part in organ theft. 2 of the victims’ organs were gone after taken to morgue so he may have paid some morticians to add organs to his collection. He didn’t do the killings himself though; just acting the part of the capitalist American.
Well this is interesting for several reasons. First, t is always pointed out that JTR did nothing during the month of October. Maybe he did this. As an aside, it’s not hard to encounter a Fox in London. I saw one too, over by Paddington.
All the theories neglect the possibility of coincidence of multiple killers. One, Twombly, whose effects examined after death included the trinkets taken off the body of one of the victims. One thing I'm curious to know, when Lechemere and the other fellow left they agreed to alert a cop should they run into one: did they part ways, or go together? It seems they could not have, since Lechemere told the cop met there was already one on site. If the other fellow was with him, wouldn't he object to this? How would Cross know? But after parting, he could slit Nichol's throat, and as he moved off may have espied a Bobby rounding the bend. Just speculating Cross strangled her, then became aware of the approaching fellow.
Tumblety has rings in his possession. Not a rare thing to have. Regarding Lechmere and Paul's movements check out Lechmere and the Whitechspel Murders Part 2
I don't understand... a serial murderer doesn't start out chopping off limbs and then goes to the lesser and just takes some organs and mutilation to put on display. You had me on your side with the Jack theroy, but the torso killings are a totally different killer, working at the same time as Jack.
Well researched and beautiful put together again. Lots if oddities. Why dig down twelve inches bury one part. Cover it bury another bit six inches then leave the biggest part just sitting there like you don't care that it's found. Surely the water disposal method would be easier and safer. You may have mentioned in one of the previous episodes that skulls would generally sink in water but their still absent in the land abandoned torsos. There was always an argument with the Crippen case. Why successful manage to dispose of 95% of a corpse and keep a few pounds of stomach in your celler.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Just a thought on the psychology. Several serials have left bodies to be dicovered in ways that deliberately shock and horrify. The Boston Stranger leaving the victims with the legs splayed for family to find ect. Almost says " look what I've done". It's possible that some torso murders were never discovered . Maybe he found that disappointing in some way. Starts off with water and evolves to land disposal. Both the Ripper and Torso both having a need to shock the finder. The killing and mutilation not enough in themselves. Fascinating
Mmm skill...skill taken links to Jack that and disdain, games played with the law, then there is the timing and the age of the victims all alarmingly similar to each other x
So he would collect his hourse and cart at pickfords fully loaded stop off when close to his mums cat meat buisness load his body parts on to his cart keeping on eye on time so he wouldnt miss the next reload at pickfords,drive to a chosen destination along the thames sometimes around the westend dispose of his handywork and back on the road.
Yes indeed his routes could have taken him near these locations.but would he already know where exactly he would be goin until he was loaded up at pickfords with his list of delivery locations.so he would have to have his body parts some bigger than others ready to collect.and collect from where im wondering? Was his mothers horse flesh buisness goin in 1870s when the thames torso murders began,thats if it was his mothers work premises were he was storing body parts.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 ah thats fair enough ed of course, but its these kinds of details that need to be factored in and discussed so as to fit in with the whole theory,at least to make some sort of sense.i havent heard these points mentioned from christer or anyone for that matter.
I wonder if we're over thinking things here - could it simply be the killer was hiding the body in the foundation s of a new build simply because it is unlikely to be disturbed and evidence of digging would not have raised eyebrows on a building site; I wonder if he was disturbed before burying the torso and left it there,never to return?
No way a serial killer left body parts there as though they were at some random construction site. No way. That 800 sq. metres is the heart of London. Every building is representative of the British establishment. Within 60 seconds walk you are at 10 Downing Street, Big Ben, Trafalgar Square, the Palace of Westminster, Westminster Bridge, Westminster Abbey, St. martin-in-the-fields, Police HQ, Tax HQ, all Civil Service buildings, Westminster Cathedral is 2 or 3 minutes walk. He'll, even Buckingham Palace is 2 or 3 minutes walk away. It's an area that I often walk through, travelling between Leicester Square, Charing Cross and Victoria. I rarely hear a British accent. It's all Americans, Germans, French, Japanese etc. That part of London is the part that tourists come for, the part shown on all the postcards etc. Whitehall is Whitehall, and it has a meaning.
My issue with your videos is that your research is not objective: they are dedicated solely to proving Lechmere guilty and disproving all other theories, though all the evidence is circumstantial and on the basis of probabilities. I think you would earn more respect if you began my acknowledging that there are other theories which might equally be true. For example, a friend of mine considers it most likely that there were at least two killers with copycat MO. I place that as likely as the Lechmere theory.
"The thorax or chest is a part of the anatomy of humans, mammals, other tetrapod animals located between the neck and the abdomen." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorax
If the torso had been there in the Scotland yard foundations for 6 weeks there's no way it would go unoticed for that long the torso would have been stripped of it's flesh by maggots leaving just bones.put there after the double event.
@@lhabitnoir yeah very true,its seems part of how this torso was wrapped,a little section was left uncovered so flys would land on the flesh and lay their eggs.it was infected with maggots which suggests the torso was there only a couple of days which is in agreement with testimoney of the carpenter.pupae would take around 48 hrs apprx to hatch.the police were lying.
@@Baz-Ten i think i understand what u are saying,mud was covering the torso and it was eventually uncovered by rain? The torso was found leaning against the vault wall. If it had been buried beneath the ground i dont think flys would have landed on it and laid their eggs.the flies needed to be attracted by the smell in the first place. The torso was partially exposed,this was done deliberately so the smell would attract flies. The flies and maggotts are key to this because the eggs life cycle can give us a paticular time line for us to estimate how long the torso was in the vault.this forensic information is a scientific fact.it will always overule what dr bond and the police say.
@@Baz-Ten this was a sizable object the torso,from a well formed woman personally i doubt if it was washed in from the thames through a sewer pipe. The last thing the laborers needed was sewage flowing in to the vault while they were working that wouldnt be alowed to happen.
@@Baz-Ten i give my opinion having read from the inquest reports i also researched flies and larvae or if u want to read more 1st and 2nd instars as theyre called. Dr bond said the torso was absolutly seething with maggotts. Which means there was probably a couple of thousand.
NSYard looks like a discotheque, probably to fit with their incredibly childishly painted cars with their fancy lights all over (for the mobile disco?)
Why on earth are you giving so much attention to the bridges, we get the picture. Just say there was construction of bridges blocking water flow. Can’t listen anymore.
Jack the Ripper: What could I do in order to get nation-wide attention?
Also Jack Ripper: What? Dumping body parts in the Thames doesn't work?
Also Jack Ripper: What? Not even dumping them in the Scotland Yard building??
Excellent video Edward - really interesting, researched and presented; great job 👏
Thank you
Thanks for your research!!
Mr Stow, as it has been over one month since your last upload, I do hope all is well with you and that Covid hasn't gotten to you. Stay healthy. Your fans miss your posts.
The next one will be out soon! It requires quite a few different locations!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I'm pleased to know you are well. I shall patiently await your next video.
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A new one is out now!
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 I absolutely love your video's simply draws you in, I always felt that Aaron Kosminsky wasn't a prime suspect for me. I always wondered if a suspect fitted the murders and then Charles Allen Cross aka Lechmere showed up as the most viable suspect possibly out of all other known JTR suspects. I also feel Lechmere was the Thames Torso Murderer ,I just feel he didn't really stop and most likely changed his MO, cunning,clever,worked in Pickfords had he's own cart knew Whitechapel and surrounding areas lived in and around Whitechapel perfect Serial Killer instincts. Can't wait for more of your videos thanks..
@@deancordery5935 You are right this is the kind of individual capable of a variety of MOs. Same about Kominsky, Christer and Mr Stow are right in almost all of these murders Whitechapel, torso etc there is ALWAYS a link or connection leading to Charles A Lechmere. I'd like to know how many people died from his hand . I reckon we are far from the real number. I also think he may not have been alone, not on the streets but logistically talking this family hides something even darker in my opinion. A highly dangerous individual. if only we could know the story behind the kid who lived with his mum. His mum must have understood he had something to do with this evil killing spree across London. Mothers often know the true nature of their offspring, and I'm not sure but they were only 2 kids the sister died at 24 Emily Charlotte .
Lechmere being a cartman would have had easy and unquestioned access to this type of workplace surely. Wish we could know his work route in 1888 would be a fascinating read.
It's a bit obvious that he didn't youse the same route daily or he would have passed Officer Niel every morning on the way to work ,same for Paul? Did they walk the same route the next day? Why did PC Niel not wonder where they were? Because she was never there? And it was a possible staged crime scene ?
Its funny..the torso murders were arguably worse than the ripper murders,but never got the notoriety or attention
Exactly
Worse than Mary Kelly's?
There were more murders by the Ripper
@@isobelswan the yorkshire ripper
I suppose the Ripper murders were committed over a shorter period of time in a particular area.
A special guest appears at 16:00! I was hoping for an interview--he looks like he's heard a few things.
Interesting video !
Interesting! Thanks!
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In terms of a location for the Torso murders how about the Backchurch Lane catsmeat sheds. Near Pinchin Street (I think).
Lechmere’s mum was in the cat meat business. Is it possible he had access to and use of the sheds ?
New scotland yard ? Was that where body parts were found in the foundations during construction? Scotland yard police are the only real police in London at the time of jtr, according to sherlock Homes ? Or should I say Conan, who wrote the book? Hmm, Conan, was he born in Edinburgh, or was he educated at the University of Edinburgh ? He must have been aware of Burke and Hare being a keen writer of fictional crimes ? I think they supplied the recent dead to trainee students by digging them up .Conan might have used it in a film, the house of terror staring Basil Rathbone ,but the bodies in the film were destroyed and dressed with the clothes, to make them appear to be someone else? I think ? The body parts found in Mary Shelly s grandsons garden are very dramatic or symbolic ,after all, she was the author of Frankenstien ? If Burke and Hare were around London at that time, you would think it was them ? It would be easy to rule out if dna samples could be collected from the nearest university and didn't match with surviving relatives ? Love a good conspiracy theory?
I removed last..Wrong vid, can’t find ref. Buck’s Row … but as Lech was cleverly deceptive is it possible he was actually on his way *home* from a late work shift?..An episode of “the Veil” quotes this! This gives him time to walk with Robert Paul. Theoretically could this have a significant impact on who heard what? etc
Thank you for another fascinating video, Mr. Stow. I find it very interesting that the woman's uterus was removed. What are your thoughts as to why the murderer did so?
It's a connection to the Ripper Murders - taking body parts. Why?
An act of possession perhaps?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 If Lechmere was JTR and responsible for other murders a possible motive for collecting uteri may have been economic and were for sale. He had a large family to feed with much financial pressure. When one looks at Annie Chapman, Catherine Eddowes the sole purpose seems to the acquiring of the uterus, swiftly killed, uterus removed and taken away into the night. Polly Nichols may have had her Uterus removed too if JTR had not been disturbed.
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Yes, I realize the connection to the Ripper Murders. Perhaps taking body parts as souveniers of his murders? Many serial killers take personal belongings of their victims as souveniers, so that they can later relive the crimes in the mind's eye more intensely.
Wasn't there a lot of organ theft taking place in the mortuarys back then? Eddowes uterus was removed really cleanly with a straight professional cut. Mitre square would have been pitch black and he would have had to have strangled her to death (1-2 minutes to do) mutilate her face and remove her uterus perfectly. In the dark. Blood every where and his hands would have been slipping and with the police presence and patrols he would have been rushing. I think the uteruses were removed in the mortuarys and sold on from there. Burke and hare were killing people to sell to medical schools or to science and actually made a fairly decent living. Grave robbing was also rife back then aswell
@@theobjectivethinker64 I imagine the removal of inner organs may have been for financial gain, however, the gross mutilation of some of the bodies was probably done simply for the 'shock factor'.
What is the name of the soundtrack in the beginning?
Toccata and Fugue in D Minor by Johann Sebastian Bach
phantom of the opera
Great job!
I believe that man seen climbing the fence was in fact the culprit. And he was checking upon the remains perhaps to see if they were still there or what was going on around them because they hadn't been discovered yet. And maybe also like so many other serial killers, they like to visit the locations/graves & the like of their victims and where the murders took place. Or for both reasons, he couldn't resist visiting out of overwheming curiousity, knowing her remains were still there undiscovered.
Or maybe they were not dumped there all at one time. They were kept elsewhere and taken in their already decomposed state to be disposed of.
I know it seems unlikely someone would be able to tolerate the smell and then take it out into the street risking somebody smelling it. But not if he had it well wrapped up in amougst a cart full of stuff. Maybe other strong smelling meat or fish etc. And its just going along the road not like he's carrying it down the busy streets. I know there was a big meat market place in London that was open in the early hours. Can't rememember much about it but it was in a documentary i seen. I think it's in the sight of where executions used to take place.
There had also been several other serial killers who kept the bodies/body parts around for a long time until they begin to stink the place out and had no choice but to then get rid of them if they lived with others or have close by neighbours. Like Dennis Neilson i believe and another one that lived with his elderly grandmother who started noticing the smell i think he kept them in his bedroom under his bed & he'd keep making excuses why it stunk. That he just hadn't cleaned his room. Then he'd have to get rid of the bodies. They become more acustomed to the smell over time.
Then there was Jefrey Dahmer who lived with body parts all around him, made an alter from bones & skulls.
They may have been gradualy dropping the parts into the Thames & other areas one or two parts at a time rather than all the same victim all at once. That's why they seen to be all over the place with different times it would be different tidal flows and different weather etc.
None of the heads were found so the perpetrator clearly was able to dispose of parts in a way they wouldn't be discovered. As the head was virtually the only real means by which a victim could be identified it seems plausible this was the reason for the effort.
The other body parts were left to chance it seems. Dumping in the river, can't tell the odds but it can go either way. Especially since they weren't weighted down. It seemed sufficient they were dumped without anyone seeing him. After that, up to chance.
That makes the dumping in the Scotland Yard building very odd indeed. To take such an unnecessary risk when he could have done so from a bridge (ps. the bridge under construction might also be a good spot as there would be no traffic). And leave them at a spot they with a high degree of certainty would eventually be found also deviates. No 'up the chance' here.
I'm sure there were many other construction sites as well so the future headquarters of the Met also seems significant.
Never have delved in to the Torso Murders and am no doubt saying nothing new here, just giving my first impressions. It was a statement of sorts by the perpetrator. From modern serial killers we know it's not uncommon. That is, as long as it doesn't involve extra risks of getting caught. He must have been either very confident he wouldn't be spotted or noticed, or very motivated.
Interesting stuff. Thanks.
Maybe the heads were boiled and skulls kept, buried or sold on the rare antiquities black market. Could have been a medical student prank or because they didn't have a face - therefore humanity taken. Couldnt be identified either. Yes they are probably worse but jack the ripper has been romantised and has that phantom figure quality.
This is what 100% convinces me it was a policeman.
Did 1880's London stink so much that those workman involved in the Whitehall incident didn't notice a rotting torso that had been there for six weeks.???
I have a theory. What if it is a combination of the suspects? Fred deeming I've heard and Joseph Barnet aswell (especially with Mary kelly) he lived in the flat. Knew prostitutes through Mary kelly and didn't approve of it. Was a fish porter by all accounts. He had access to the flat and Mary kelly would have been comfortable enough to let him in. They also had an argument and broke up - how many times do ex partners kill each other? Charles lechmere definitely has either the worst luck but I believe he actually killed 3 maybe 4. Stride I would say could be anyone though. It was a dodgy time and full of dodgy characters. I think lechmere killed nichols. Tabram, eddows and chapman and coles, Mary kelly looked and seemed personal. Joseph Barnett has the motive (jealousy. Rage scorned lover) the means (he lived there and knew how to gain access) and the perfect foil in lechmere doing the other killings of prostitutes he knew she would be put as a ripper victim. Lechmere saw this and thought woah ok someone out there is worse and reigned it in Because of the heat and uproar Mary kelly caused. The reason I don't think Mary kelly was actually a victim of lechmere is because the murders previous were strangulation with mutilation AFTER death. But they were in terms of veracity 7/8 out of 10. Mary kelly was a full 10/10. Thats my theory anyway- I agree lechmere was the ripper though but stride and Mary kelly weren't his vitims
You made excellent points - your theory is well thought through.
We won’t know for sure but a part of me thinks the same. I also think Tumblety had a part in organ theft. 2 of the victims’ organs were gone after taken to morgue so he may have paid some morticians to add organs to his collection. He didn’t do the killings himself though; just acting the part of the capitalist American.
How late did you film this ,4 in the morning?
That makes it early.
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 ah yes , you say potato, I say potato .
Well this is interesting for several reasons. First, t is always pointed out that JTR did nothing during the month of October. Maybe he did this.
As an aside, it’s not hard to encounter a Fox in London. I saw one too, over by Paddington.
Could these body’s have died from natural causes n sold or stolen ?
The logical explanation!!!!
We are looking at two very different MO's here. Almost certainly, two different killers.
All the theories neglect the possibility of coincidence of multiple killers. One, Twombly, whose effects examined after death included the trinkets taken off the body of one of the victims.
One thing I'm curious to know, when Lechemere and the other fellow left they agreed to alert a cop should they run into one: did they part ways, or go together? It seems they could not have, since Lechemere told the cop met there was already one on site. If the other fellow was with him, wouldn't he object to this? How would Cross know? But after parting, he could slit Nichol's throat, and as he moved off may have espied a Bobby rounding the bend. Just speculating Cross strangled her, then became aware of the approaching fellow.
Tumblety has rings in his possession. Not a rare thing to have.
Regarding Lechmere and Paul's movements check out Lechmere and the Whitechspel Murders Part 2
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 : Thanks, caught an interview where you explained.
It was a bad year for Scotland Yard
I don't understand... a serial murderer doesn't start out chopping off limbs and then goes to the lesser and just takes some organs and mutilation to put on display. You had me on your side with the Jack theroy, but the torso killings are a totally different killer, working at the same time as Jack.
I think he started much much earlier. 1873. The Ripper killings were just a phase. We have examples of serial killers who had very different MOs.
Well researched and beautiful put together again. Lots if oddities. Why dig down twelve inches bury one part. Cover it bury another bit six inches then leave the biggest part just sitting there like you don't care that it's found. Surely the water disposal method would be easier and safer. You may have mentioned in one of the previous episodes that skulls would generally sink in water but their still absent in the land abandoned torsos. There was always an argument with the Crippen case. Why successful manage to dispose of 95% of a corpse and keep a few pounds of stomach in your celler.
Maybe he wanted the torso to be found but the other parts to remain there as a constant marking out if his territory at Scotland Yard?
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Just a thought on the psychology. Several serials have left bodies to be dicovered in ways that deliberately shock and horrify. The Boston Stranger leaving the victims with the legs splayed for family to find ect. Almost says " look what I've done". It's possible that some torso murders were never discovered . Maybe he found that disappointing in some way. Starts off with water and evolves to land disposal. Both the Ripper and Torso both having a need to shock the finder. The killing and mutilation not enough in themselves. Fascinating
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Yes I agree.
The Ripper murders were to shock and awe.
Rainham torso not really - but Whitehall was - like a learnt experience.
if you could stop the noise from the trafic it would be perfect ..
Cinema realite
Mmm skill...skill taken links to Jack that and disdain, games played with the law, then there is the timing and the age of the victims all alarmingly similar to each other x
No info on Lechmere's movements during these murders.
Lechmere worked as a lorry driver so he loaded the parts on his horse & cart & dump them at different locations with his deliveries.
So he would collect his hourse and cart at pickfords fully loaded stop off when close to his mums cat meat buisness load his body parts on to his cart keeping on eye on time so he wouldnt miss the next reload at pickfords,drive to a chosen destination along the thames sometimes around the westend dispose of his handywork and back on the road.
His routes may have taken him near these locations.
Yes indeed his routes could have taken him near these locations.but would he already know where exactly he would be goin until he was loaded up at pickfords with his list of delivery locations.so he would have to have his body parts some bigger than others ready to collect.and collect from where im wondering? Was his mothers horse flesh buisness goin in 1870s when the thames torso murders began,thats if it was his mothers work premises were he was storing body parts.
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Clearly there is much we don't know and can never know
@@thehouseoflechmere9407 ah thats fair enough ed of course, but its these kinds of details that need to be factored in and discussed so as to fit in with the whole theory,at least to make some sort of sense.i havent heard these points mentioned from christer or anyone for that matter.
Organ music volume is entirely too loud.
I wonder if we're over thinking things here - could it simply be the killer was hiding the body in the foundation s of a new build simply because it is unlikely to be disturbed and evidence of digging would not have raised eyebrows on a building site; I wonder if he was disturbed before burying the torso and left it there,never to return?
No way a serial killer left body parts there as though they were at some random construction site. No way. That 800 sq. metres is the heart of London. Every building is representative of the British establishment. Within 60 seconds walk you are at 10 Downing Street, Big Ben, Trafalgar Square, the Palace of Westminster, Westminster Bridge, Westminster Abbey, St. martin-in-the-fields, Police HQ, Tax HQ, all Civil Service buildings, Westminster Cathedral is 2 or 3 minutes walk. He'll, even Buckingham Palace is 2 or 3 minutes walk away. It's an area that I often walk through, travelling between Leicester Square, Charing Cross and Victoria. I rarely hear a British accent. It's all Americans, Germans, French, Japanese etc. That part of London is the part that tourists come for, the part shown on all the postcards etc. Whitehall is Whitehall, and it has a meaning.
I’ve never seen a fox in a city. Wow.
@@TimothySchulting very much so - they've adapted to urban environments around the world
I was thinking the same thing!
This chap is round the bend - if indeed the bend was there at the time .
My issue with your videos is that your research is not objective: they are dedicated solely to proving Lechmere guilty and disproving all other theories, though all the evidence is circumstantial and on the basis of probabilities. I think you would earn more respect if you began my acknowledging that there are other theories which might equally be true. For example, a friend of mine considers it most likely that there were at least two killers with copycat MO. I place that as likely as the Lechmere theory.
The whole basis of the channel is Lechmere. Other channels can explore the areas you suggest.
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he had to do this while working with his cart(lechmere)
Most murders occurred when he was on his way to work not while he was working...
If he's delivering meat every night he will go past the same place a few times a week
Satanic rituals ?
misogynists more likely
i dont belive there ripper murder the style and locations are to diffrent
The creepy guy has admitted he did the bad deed at the Foreign Cattle Market.
For goodness sake your dragging this story out and loosing interest
He said “thorax”. Humans don’t have a thorax. Wtf
"The thorax or chest is a part of the anatomy of humans, mammals, other tetrapod animals located between the neck and the abdomen."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorax
If the torso had been there in the Scotland yard foundations for 6 weeks there's no way it would go unoticed for that long the torso would have been stripped of it's flesh by maggots leaving just bones.put there after the double event.
Plus the smell couldn't have gone unnoticed. Rotten flesh in such quantity? Or the vault was the size of football pitch
@@lhabitnoir yeah very true,its seems part of how this torso was wrapped,a little section was left uncovered so flys would land on the flesh and lay their eggs.it was infected with maggots which suggests the torso was there only a couple of days which is in agreement with testimoney of the carpenter.pupae would take around 48 hrs apprx to hatch.the police were lying.
@@Baz-Ten i think i understand what u are saying,mud was covering the torso and it was eventually uncovered by rain? The torso was found leaning against the vault wall. If it had been buried beneath the ground i dont think flys would have landed on it and laid their eggs.the flies needed to be attracted by the smell in the first place. The torso was partially exposed,this was done deliberately so the smell would attract flies. The flies and maggotts are key to this because the eggs life cycle can give us a paticular time line for us to estimate how long the torso was in the vault.this forensic information is a scientific fact.it will always overule what dr bond and the police say.
@@Baz-Ten this was a sizable object the torso,from a well formed woman personally i doubt if it was washed in from the thames through a sewer pipe. The last thing the laborers needed was sewage flowing in to the vault while they were working that wouldnt be alowed to happen.
@@Baz-Ten i give my opinion having read from the inquest reports i also researched flies and larvae or if u want to read more 1st and 2nd instars as theyre called. Dr bond said the torso was absolutly seething with maggotts. Which means there was probably a couple of thousand.
Haha the fox...
NSYard looks like a discotheque, probably to fit with their incredibly childishly painted cars with their fancy lights all over (for the mobile disco?)
Why on earth are you giving so much attention to the bridges, we get the picture. Just say there was construction of bridges blocking water flow. Can’t listen anymore.
Jeez... get on with it
Blatant rubbish. Sorry mate!
Hes hopeless commentator,repeats everything.
Then go listen to someone else, he’s taken his time to share knowledge; show some respect