Ignorant statement. Playstation made 30 billion USD in profit last year. DF is a multi-billion dollar company? Just admit you're a sorry xbox looser and move on.
Don't you guys always go on about not caring about how old a game is when games get released years later on PC. Honestly you guys have just turned in to a bunch of hypocrites. Keep chasing PC dragon.
My thing is people are saying the PS5 Pro has 33 teraflops that's a lie. It only 67% faster then the PS5 with is 10.23 teraflops. Which means the PS5 Pro is only 17 teraflops. So no I see why Xbox said the Series X is there pro console it has 12 teraflops.
The biggest problem is that all we are seeing is games we have already played a number of years ago. Show us GTA 6 and wolverine that would sell more units
They can’t do that I’m afraid,because that would unveil the TRUTH!! Which is..the PS5 was built upon lies and they are playing catchy up on what they promised!..The problem is that gaming has moved on how many years and the PRO is now not ready for the new games “ONLY THE OLD ONES “ New games will still perform at 720p 30FPS You will all have to come back and empty your wallets for the PRO slim 😮
PlayStation Studio games’ image quality = already looked good before PSSR. Almost every console game’s image quality using UE5 or FSR2 = desperately in need of PSSR.
@@vampiszon6620 Often, but not always. Star Wars Outlaws is using the current most advancer renderer and is optimized enough, but an open world game at that level of visual quality is extremely hardware-taxing. FSR just sucks and needs to go into the dustbin of history.
Nop. It is for you. TH-cam compression ruin the footage. So we need to zoom 2x or 4x to see the differences. On a regular 4k TV side bt side at 1x you suppose to see the differences without zoom in
Go watch the second half of the last of us 2 video that got uploaded yesterday for a 4k 60 fps game that NEEDED this upgrade, in case you need help seeing the difference. Rachet and clank looks great as is, and will only look kinda better. Last of Us 2 runs like a dream. Oh, and also buy a 4k tv. Also keep in mind that a youtube video WILL look worse due to compression
They only do this because of video compression. no one can tell the difference otherwise by just watching the video. they zoom in to show the viewers the difference. that's how they been doing with all their video analysis. They explained this already. quit acting dumb.
You’d think as professionals that df would call out rebirth for its poor upscaling as the reason the game looks bad on base ps5, instead they act like the system couldn’t handle a good resolution compared to ps5 pro which isn’t the case at all
Think the most important thing is the devs say that PSSR is great to use and extremely user friendly. Looks like Sony have a really good product on their hands with PSSR.
This is a four-year-old game. The PS5 Pro is brand new hardware and as such, this game should have no problem running at NATIVE 4k with maxed out PC settings w/o upscaling. Also, didn't Mark say that the ps5 pro would run the standard ps5 games at the quality settings but at 60fps? Why are all these comparisons showing the performance PS5 versions instead of the quality version?
Exactly. Every video I've seen so far compares to the wrong mode! I use quality mode on every game cause framerate doesn't matter to me (I honestly can't tell the difference, unless it's a game I've played a hundred+ hours on) so show me the upgrade in quality from that.
Same, I play quality mode as long as the 30 fps is properly frame paced, it's smooth enough for me. I can notice it if I immediately play in 30 fps mode after having tried the 60 fps mode but I get used to it pretty quickly.
A few people are chastising Pro-buyers for wanting new hardware that you might struggle to see blades of grass etc. Don’t dismiss or forget boost mode - like on the PS4 Pro, this feature can increase the fps of many games, without a patch, so if you just want a bump in performance and the game you’re playing isn’t already capped, you probably will be a happy bunny.
People whining again about buying the Pro,then having to buy the PS6 in a few years. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it,how hard is that to understand?
@@abrahamlincoln3181 they should be whining about buying PS5 and realising it doesn't look like the PS5 Pro yet not being able to work at 4K 120Hz native even for 800€... Runing ps4/pro games...
I'm with u on that bro I'm tired of ppl telling other to not buy something bc they dont like it I preordered it already I'll just sell my ps5 to recoup some of the cost i got the disk drive for 60$ on ebay that's a win plus the 2tb of storage is worth it for me
I haven’t seen any comparisons between the ps5 pro and the base ps5 on the 40fps fidelity mode. Would love to see whether the upscaling on ps5 pro is a better option than the 40fps mode.
@@TTx04xCOBRA I would love to actually see a comparison between the 40fps fidelity mode on ps5 and the ps5 pro perf mode. Not just a vague statement saying the one will look better and that the answer is in the video when they haven’t even mentioned the 40fps perf mode on 120 hertz tvs.
I mean before fsr, consoles were leading in upscaling technology like checkerboarding on ps4 from way back in 2013, I'd guess having a specific platform and unified hardware helps alot and makes it easier to develop PSSR and make it look good
@@shayanali8771The ps5 pro Has double the fps Going from 4k30fps to 4k60fps While having 4 times the raytracing capabilities For only $200 more If u don't like it that's fine but stop belittling it when it's literally giving the double the performance and quadruple the raytracing
I think if you took the same image from both console of this game and told someone to point out which one is the pro version and which is the regular ps5 version, the person would literally be guessing. Just my opinion.
Key thing here is we only have seen older game upgrades or there 1st party titles which still looked the best anyway. How it going to improve the 3rd party titles which are the real struggle and the bulk of the games people play. Showcase the best possible and then just the same as the base model apart from slight enhancements on the most of other games.
Who cares...this game's already looked and run good on ps5. What about cyberpunk 2077 or black myth wukong, show us what the PS5 Pro can do with the game's that didn't run well on the PS5.
Im watching on a 4k TV and i don't see a massive difference and Fidelity mode looks better on the base console. 400 extra bucks for an upscaler in its early beta stages before PS6.
Where did you see that? I’m pretty sure most marketing material was about bringing up the performance mode up to similar visual quality to the high fidelity modes. Not bringing 60fps to high quality modes
@@weprinfilms No, because sometimes games when using a 30FPS quality mode, enhance certain CPU features such as crowd density or other things. Enhancing the 60FPS mode using the enhanced GPU, GPU features, and AI Upscaling would make much more sense.
Im a Sony and Microsoft fan but we are getting to the point of diminishing returns. The best thing Ive seen this generation of consoles is better load times higher quality textures not so on the ray tracing front on consoles its barely even noticeable. But I love quick resume,auto HDR on and gamepass on Xbox. Playstation VR is ok needs more games, PS Plus is ok on the streaming but Sony still no how to make great exclusives.
All those “show us new games” comments are just plain stupid. PS5 Pro is a hardware, why everyone is expecting to see new software? New games will be released when they are ready, flipping egg, play Astro Bot meanwhile and 300 other games that were released in 2024 so far 🤦♂️
Well Sony didn't just design and manufacture the Pro in a few months, historically with new console releases, the platform holder will time a new game for realease with said new console that showcases its strengths. Sony had no such game ready and so we are zooming in on 4 year old games which mind you is already showing compromises in it's pro mode or else showing poorly optimised games running as they should have done on base ps5
Also the PS5 memory Bandwidth is 448 gb/s. The PS5 Pro memory Bandwidth is 576 gb/s. The Xbox Series X memory Bandwidth is 556 gb/s. The PS5 CPU is 3.5ghz. The PS5 pro is 3.85 ghz. The Xbox Series X Cpu is 3.8 single threaded and 3.6 multi threaded. Just saying
Sorry guys. Love your work, but as your man said “pixel peeping” to see the minor improvements in aliasing for example. For a £700-£800 pro machine, I was expecting 4k@60fps with dynamic resolution. Maybe I’m in the wrong, expecting too much for that price. And yes, I’m aware you don’t have to upgrade to the pro, hence I’ll be still keeping my 7 month old PS5 with an old fashioned spinning disc thing.
When the 50 Series cards come out in a few months Native 4k 60fps will likely be achieved on the 60 series which is the budget option. (something something vram) The 60 series cards are £300 roughly and for £800 I'd honestly expect a machine capable of native 1440p 60fps by now. Welcome to 2020 console users ig.
We need the PS5 Pro just for GTA 6 because a lot of people cant wait for the PC Relaase of GTA 6. With the release of GTA 6 the PS5 Pro is gonna sell crazy and if they do a Bundle of that….
Mais GTA6 va très bien tourné sur ps5 standard tout comme la XBOX serie X/S et bien sur le pc la PS5 PRO sert a relancer les ventes c'est tout ! en plus elle est chère parce que SONY ont besoins d'argent la manette ps5 5€ de plus le socle 29.99€ et oui le socle SONY pourrais le donner a 799€ la console franchement poser vous des questions SONY a licencier 900 personnes SONY a stopper des jeux en cour de développement SONY a des problème avec Bungie un rachat de 3.6 milliard SONY a réduit les coûts de production de la PS5 ( réduction du radiateur / suppression du cuivre ) et vous croyez que SONY a mis une fortune sur la production de la pro elle a pris la taille de la standard on rajoute 2 petites grilles sur les coques pour la différencier de la ps5 standard 10% de plus en puissance et HOP !!! sa vous ferras 799€ et bien sur ! il faut acheté le socle 29.99€ de plus pour la tenir debout GAG !!!!! on passe a 828.99€ super cadeaux pour NOËL / SONY va se déguiser en père NOËL 🎅et déposer la pro au pied du sapin🎄 faite votre "lettre" maintenant vous avez jusqu'à fin novembre après il sera trop tard !!!!
It'd be a lot more impressive if the Pro could natively run games at 4k 60, without the need for image reconstruction or frame generation techniques, and still have them look as nice. Even without that option, wouldnt it be nice to at least give us the option to lock 1440p@60 without scaling or frame gen? That would be a feature id pay the pro pricetag for, if i knew everything i threw at it would run locked 60 at 1440p
Even high end pc’s can’t do native 4k 60 with RT in all games so if you want that from a console then you might want to consider waiting to ps7 or even ps8 By the way games using upscaling on pc looks amazing so seeing how well it looks this early on ps5 pro makes me think PSSR has a bright future
watching this on my s24 resolution 2160p60 and i can see the difference for those who cant must have a crappy screen or are not setting the quality of video to its highest now as far as the pro beinh worth it from some it isnt and for some it is no neee to hate
I see why people are buying it, heck I bought the ps4 pro, including the 500 million edition, but personally I thought it was better value for money, came later in the ps4 life and it showed bigger improvements I felt, and it could just be me getting older, and tighter with my money 😂 but I just don’t get this upgrade personally. But I am so glad it is readily available, I imagine scalpers still went for it and I am so glad they are not profiting, so people who do want it can get it at the price it was intended to sell at. (Which I also think is too high here in the uk especially if you have a physical collection but that’s another story ) And as a lot of others say, I want to see benefits on new games, on VR titles! Not games that looked amazing when playing them anyway on the ps5!
That argument makes no sense 'cause there will be new games to play on as well... you don't buy a console for just one game... or just new games, or old games. There's a lot to be played, in the future as well. People need to stop whining and make everything negative... but hey... sign of the times I guess.
It's a marketing stunt to test the waters for digital only and ai upscaling, and yeah, you'll scrap it in 3 years for the ps6, which themselves will say it shts on the pro and you definitely need to go ps6
Ratchet n Clank Rift Apart is not a good example for showing PS5 Pro as the game is already great as it is on base ps5,..its also one of the most optimised PC port and handheld PC like Steam Deck without issue.
This is going to end debate now regarding price if you don’t have a ps5, the pro is worth because you either have ps4 or nothing and the increase is helpful. If you have ps5 , you can sell it for 300-400 and it lowers the cost of your pro. Simple as that. I sold mine for $300 so the pro only cost me 400. Cheaper than base Ps5. I had ps5 since launch so i got my money worth. Time to enjoy the future of games optimized for the best console experience. And for you PS haters, yes I have a series X
@@josephcox2201 In your dreams!!! They even paused a few times to notice a bit better shadows or a little less blur!! And that for $800??? We have to be crazy to throw money for that!!! Ohh, and don’t forget that if you have a 60hz 4K tv you have to upgrade it for a $1,200 120hz one with upsaler in images to see that little to none difference, which makes it a whopping $2,000 upgrade game setup far behind of a $,2000 PC build setup. I am happy with my base PS5 fat digital and is more than enough to play the entire gen….
Exactly. I get if people are close up to their screens and can see the differences (albeit marginal), but if you're sat far back from your TV or monitor, it's a complete waste of money. You have to be close up to tell the difference. I'm in a good position where I've got a gaming desktop with a 4070 TI and a base PS5, I sit close up to my monitor but I know for a fact that it's not worth the leap, especially considering how small the exclusive library currently is. Bring on the PS6. 😅
@@Rose_D Correct!!! The market is lacking new exciting games, not a powerhouse to see more real life shots!!! If people want ultra high frames and resolutions, that is being the PC market always and that is good for PC enthusiasts of raw power, but for people that just want a more balanced options, it’s ok what Xbox Series X and PS5 brought at base platforms, but just keep adding amazing games and that will keep the hardware alive and be wanted.
theres no difference! sure if you pause, take screen shot, stitch the two together and zoom in..... but like all games, after the opening cut scene and 10 min into the game, you don't realize the level of fidelity no more, its all about smooth, consistant gameplay with good controls. Sad that the developers spend so much time on worlds, and most people never stop to admire it, just walk on past to the next waypoint in the game. diminishing returns x100
In nowadays everyone is talking about pssr and are hyped about 60fps. But for my much more important is better graphics quality than fps. I’m pretty happy with stable 30fps and from PS5 Pro (with I already order) I’m expecting mainly better graphics quality and RT, not framrate. So I’m hope that Sony will soon show us next to Performance Pro mode also something like Fidelity Pro mode.
Fidelity Pro mode. This. 200% this. I don’t mind more fps. A lot of people too. I do mind better graphics. Either they’re ray tracing or better textures.
@@AndyMetalHeadBR if for you 60fps is better that’s great, I’m happy for you. But for my and I beat few others people out there, much more interesting is to get better graphics than more fps. As @baubergo already said, for you is already backed in mode for 60fps, now I would like to see mode for better graphics also.
Performance mode on the Series X and PS5 look disgusting in some games. By this I mean below PS4 in quality. PS5 Performance mode at 60fps is what "next gen" should have looked like from day one.
My thoughts are that if you are wondering wether you want this then you should not buy it. But, if you love playing your PS5 that you got at launch and you buy 10+ games a year for it then this makes a ton of sense as an upgrade if you sell your old one. I got 4 years of mileage on my PS5 and because prices have increased on them the last few years I got to sell mine for just the same I bought it for and therefor this ain't that bad an upgrade. Basically. If you liked your PS4 Pro then this is probably worth it for you. But everyone else(Which is accurately 90% of PS4 owners) should just ignore this. It will do nothing for you
Theres not many differences that I can see and I haven't seen any other games so I might be wrong but I wonder if the differences will improve over time?? Maybe with updates that support the ps5 pro like the ps4 pro when it came out. Otherwise the console doesn't seem worth it.
dont know the numbers but based of comments on youtube and reddit seems that the ps5 pro is selling well i also feel many people are just waiting for its full release and reviews from the youtubers and if it lives to the hype then i think tje ps5 pro will be selling like hotcakes
People must be watching these videos on a bad display or are being disingenuous. Even with YT compression it's easy to see the differences. You could argue these differences don't warrant an upgrade to your system but acting like there's no improvement is absurd.
Please Don't trow that ssd to the rubbish,you try to heat it a little bit with a hair dry gun,more times ssd "Reborn" in this way and then can use for another 2-3 years,ssd is common this happen they seems like "died" but if you hot air it,then it back to work.
10:15 Yeah, unfortunately he did not do that, all he did was stressing the PSSR shortcomings, while downplaying its strengths, and downplaying the DLSS shortcomings, while stressing its strengths. The absence of any mention regarding the jarring amount of aliasing present in the DLSS presentation was very disappointing and actually embarrassing. I watch Digital Foundry videos to enjoy in-depth tech analyses, not some sort of manipulative, fandom-driven narrative disguised as tech analysis. I know where and what to look at, and I did not enjoy the PSSR vs DLSS analysis because it was very biased and misleading, that is not the level I expect from Digital Foundry. It takes long time to build a reputation, and very little time to destroy it, I feel some people are pushing their luck a bit too far, at this point. Most of the crowd is ignorant in regard of these things, but some of us can see, some of us understand, and it's not a good look. Richard has said that critique is important because allows people and companies to grow and do better. Then please take in consideration this critique of mine, hopefully we can have more balanced and neutral high quality analyses in the future, when it comes to the PC side of things.
of all the games I've seen so far Ratchet and Clank seems to be the only one that manages to make the most of the PS 5 pro, I have to say thanks to Sony who decided to give New Life to this chapter despite the 4 million copies sold, they could have chosen another PlayStation exclusive and instead they chose Ratchet, we have to apologize to Sony!
Sony: 700 for clearer MILLIONS OF MILES AWAY BACKGROUNDS... DF Before: where? Sony again: *throws free trip to headquarters AND hotel stay* "press your nose to the screen..." DF once again: "OH! YES! I SEE IT.!!! IT'S GREAT!!!"
@@TheSurfheart I mean I don’t know if I’d say the console shows regression. There are def some disappointments, but there are also things it is doing very well where you can see improvements. It’s ok to give flowers when they’re due.
The game looks "kinda ok" on base PS5 now? It's also not really 4K on Pro is it, talk about cherry picking the "improvements". Wake me up when a new generation of hardware matches the jump from PS1 -> PS2
![RATCHET AND CLANK RIFT APART PS5 Gameplay Walkthrough Part 1 FULL GAME [60FPS] - No Commentary](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OMsCQR__zvc/mqdefault.jpg)
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Digital Foundry are making more profit from PS5 Pro than Sony.
Exactly.
Ignorant statement. Playstation made 30 billion USD in profit last year. DF is a multi-billion dollar company? Just admit you're a sorry xbox looser and move on.
Yeah I think they’ve become buyable to give biased reviews. IMHO
They are saving Sony's marketing money 😂...
Nothing but facts on their Videos... something hurts you?
PSSR looks promising
Its 2020 and sony is showcasing their new game, Rachet & Clank rift apart.
~2024
2024 is a remake of year 2020
I wish they waited and made Wukong a PS5 Pro game! Maybe that's why they are holding out on the disc version of it
@@AP90x Spiderman 2 was 2023
Don't you guys always go on about not caring about how old a game is when games get released years later on PC. Honestly you guys have just turned in to a bunch of hypocrites. Keep chasing PC dragon.
There is a huge difference porting a game to pc vs an old game to be ran at 60fps on a new machine... like don't be weird @Wiiillllson151
My thing is people are saying the PS5 Pro has 33 teraflops that's a lie. It only 67% faster then the PS5 with is 10.23 teraflops. Which means the PS5 Pro is only 17 teraflops. So no I see why Xbox said the Series X is there pro console it has 12 teraflops.
one thing that does look noticeably better is the fur... ratchet looks very strokable
That will please the furry community 😂
@@Roundhead75 it pleases me
Aayyyyooooo
*AY YOO*
fur sure, fur sure
I swear they posted this same clip like 50 times already
50 ?? more like 100....they are milking the poor ps5 pro like crazy
@@ODIOPOWERmuch needed, they are giving us far more information than Sony ever could with marketing
@@ODIOPOWER more like farming pony pixie dust
These people are sponsored bro
@@isaiya6799bro jumps on a hate bandwagon and thinks he knows more than professionals lol
The biggest problem is that all we are seeing is games we have already played a number of years ago. Show us GTA 6 and wolverine that would sell more units
You dont have to get the ps5 pro if you dont want. Its that simple
Agreed when they announced the new ghost of game it should have shown what the pro does for it
Not everyone has played these games.
It’s a Technical Review not a Game Review. It’s How the Bread is Made not what Flavor.
They can’t do that I’m afraid,because that would unveil the TRUTH!!
Which is..the PS5 was built upon lies and they are playing catchy up on what they promised!..The problem is that gaming has moved on how many years and the PRO is now not ready for the new games “ONLY THE OLD ONES “
New games will still perform at 720p 30FPS
You will all have to come back and empty your wallets for the PRO slim 😮
PlayStation Studio games’ image quality = already looked good before PSSR.
Almost every console game’s image quality using UE5 or FSR2 = desperately in need of PSSR.
*in need of optimisation.
Here, fixed it for ya.
@@vampiszon6620 Often, but not always. Star Wars Outlaws is using the current most advancer renderer and is optimized enough, but an open world game at that level of visual quality is extremely hardware-taxing. FSR just sucks and needs to go into the dustbin of history.
@@thanksbetotapthey also forgot to make Star Wars Outlaws worth playing.
@@SsjHokageno one asked
Over fps pc no fsr lol
When you need a magnifying glass to see the visual enhancements 🤷♂️
Nop. It is for you. TH-cam compression ruin the footage. So we need to zoom 2x or 4x to see the differences. On a regular 4k TV side bt side at 1x you suppose to see the differences without zoom in
Go watch the second half of the last of us 2 video that got uploaded yesterday for a 4k 60 fps game that NEEDED this upgrade, in case you need help seeing the difference. Rachet and clank looks great as is, and will only look kinda better. Last of Us 2 runs like a dream.
Oh, and also buy a 4k tv. Also keep in mind that a youtube video WILL look worse due to compression
They only do this because of video compression. no one can tell the difference otherwise by just watching the video. they zoom in to show the viewers the difference. that's how they been doing with all their video analysis. They explained this already. quit acting dumb.
When you cry daily about something you have no plans on buying. 🤦🤦
@@wben7833 some people only thrive on negativity...
You’d think as professionals that df would call out rebirth for its poor upscaling as the reason the game looks bad on base ps5, instead they act like the system couldn’t handle a good resolution compared to ps5 pro which isn’t the case at all
They did call out the upscaling.
@@Renne308 there’s a difference between calling something out and briefly mentioning it for a few seconds
Okay this looks a lot better than your last video on Ratchet
Think the most important thing is the devs say that PSSR is great to use and extremely user friendly. Looks like Sony have a really good product on their hands with PSSR.
This is a four-year-old game. The PS5 Pro is brand new hardware and as such, this game should have no problem running at NATIVE 4k with maxed out PC settings w/o upscaling. Also, didn't Mark say that the ps5 pro would run the standard ps5 games at the quality settings but at 60fps? Why are all these comparisons showing the performance PS5 versions instead of the quality version?
It could probably at 30fps
Why is not compared with Quality Mode at basic PS5?
Exactly. Every video I've seen so far compares to the wrong mode! I use quality mode on every game cause framerate doesn't matter to me (I honestly can't tell the difference, unless it's a game I've played a hundred+ hours on) so show me the upgrade in quality from that.
@@NeoTechni You are wrong, its right comparisons. Most ppl play in performance mode
@@NeoTechni Thats it. Show us the differences between PS5 base quality mode vs PS5 Pro's.
@@liquid7105 Sony wants to prove us they got better graphics, for the performance we are sure it’s good.
Same, I play quality mode as long as the 30 fps is properly frame paced, it's smooth enough for me. I can notice it if I immediately play in 30 fps mode after having tried the 60 fps mode but I get used to it pretty quickly.
Maybe in 10 more years the next generation of gaming visuals will finally begin.
A few people are chastising Pro-buyers for wanting new hardware that you might struggle to see blades of grass etc. Don’t dismiss or forget boost mode - like on the PS4 Pro, this feature can increase the fps of many games, without a patch, so if you just want a bump in performance and the game you’re playing isn’t already capped, you probably will be a happy bunny.
As long as you aren't cpu limited, pro isnt going to help much there
People whining again about buying the Pro,then having to buy the PS6 in a few years. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it,how hard is that to understand?
No one forced you to write this comment either.
Literally you’re the only person in the comment section to write this. Buddy is having an argument with himself 😂
@@MrMooMoo89nobody forced you to respond
@@abrahamlincoln3181 they should be whining about buying PS5 and realising it doesn't look like the PS5 Pro yet not being able to work at 4K 120Hz native even for 800€... Runing ps4/pro games...
I'm with u on that bro I'm tired of ppl telling other to not buy something bc they dont like it I preordered it already I'll just sell my ps5 to recoup some of the cost i got the disk drive for 60$ on ebay that's a win plus the 2tb of storage is worth it for me
I'm Sorry But I Barely See Any Difference On The PS5 Pro And BTW As Much I Love Ratchet & Clank Can You Guys Show Some Other Games Besides Them ? 😩😒
Sorry, this is the only game they're gonna show.
I see.
big difference
I haven’t seen any comparisons between the ps5 pro and the base ps5 on the 40fps fidelity mode. Would love to see whether the upscaling on ps5 pro is a better option than the 40fps mode.
Pssr is better than fsr. The answer to your question is in this video and the answer is yes it would look better on the Pro
@@TTx04xCOBRA I would love to actually see a comparison between the 40fps fidelity mode on ps5 and the ps5 pro perf mode. Not just a vague statement saying the one will look better and that the answer is in the video when they haven’t even mentioned the 40fps perf mode on 120 hertz tvs.
Pretty decent upgrade to the image quality and its early days for PSSR.
Pretty decent price upgrade too lol
I mean before fsr, consoles were leading in upscaling technology like checkerboarding on ps4 from way back in 2013, I'd guess having a specific platform and unified hardware helps alot and makes it easier to develop PSSR and make it look good
@@shayanali8771The ps5 pro
Has double the fps
Going from 4k30fps to 4k60fps
While having 4 times the raytracing capabilities
For only $200 more
If u don't like it that's fine but stop belittling it when it's literally giving the double the performance and quadruple the raytracing
@@blackface-b1vray tracing isn't even noticeable lmao, so I'm still not paying 700 for 3 stripes on the side of my ps5
I am in fact im buying 2 pros... already have my disc drive!@chriscofer6780
PS2 is still lightyears ahead of the PS5 in terms of exclusives lmao.
Insomniac are wizards, but I expected more from them and show more convincing improvements
I think if you took the same image from both console of this game and told someone to point out which one is the pro version and which is the regular ps5 version, the person would literally be guessing. Just my opinion.
So will the ps5 pro make all base model games look better or just the ps5 pro enhanced games?
Key thing here is we only have seen older game upgrades or there 1st party titles which still looked the best anyway. How it going to improve the 3rd party titles which are the real struggle and the bulk of the games people play. Showcase the best possible and then just the same as the base model apart from slight enhancements on the most of other games.
Who cares...this game's already looked and run good on ps5. What about cyberpunk 2077 or black myth wukong, show us what the PS5 Pro can do with the game's that didn't run well on the PS5.
OMG look at the super visual, this is what i need for my oled tv. SOLD !!!
PS5 Pro: Console to play previous games of old
Im watching on a 4k TV and i don't see a massive difference and Fidelity mode looks better on the base console. 400 extra bucks for an upscaler in its early beta stages before PS6.
$800 to replatinum old games lmao
I thought the PS5 pro was supposed to bring the games quality mode up to 60 fps, not get the performance mode look a little bit better sometimes.
That's what happens when it's only up to 45% better this is why I always say if it's not 2X better it's not worth it
Where did you see that? I’m pretty sure most marketing material was about bringing up the performance mode up to similar visual quality to the high fidelity modes. Not bringing 60fps to high quality modes
@@foshbz2687 well that's not very appealing.
@@foshbz2687isn’t that the same thing?
@@weprinfilms No, because sometimes games when using a 30FPS quality mode, enhance certain CPU features such as crowd density or other things. Enhancing the 60FPS mode using the enhanced GPU, GPU features, and AI Upscaling would make much more sense.
Im a Sony and Microsoft fan but we are getting to the point of diminishing returns. The best thing Ive seen this generation of consoles is better load times higher quality textures not so on the ray tracing front on consoles its barely even noticeable. But I love quick resume,auto HDR on and gamepass on Xbox. Playstation VR is ok needs more games, PS Plus is ok on the streaming but Sony still no how to make great exclusives.
All those “show us new games” comments are just plain stupid.
PS5 Pro is a hardware, why everyone is expecting to see new software?
New games will be released when they are ready, flipping egg, play Astro Bot meanwhile and 300 other games that were released in 2024 so far 🤦♂️
Well Sony didn't just design and manufacture the Pro in a few months, historically with new console releases, the platform holder will time a new game for realease with said new console that showcases its strengths. Sony had no such game ready and so we are zooming in on 4 year old games which mind you is already showing compromises in it's pro mode or else showing poorly optimised games running as they should have done on base ps5
Also the PS5 memory Bandwidth is 448 gb/s. The PS5 Pro memory Bandwidth is 576 gb/s. The Xbox Series X memory Bandwidth is 556 gb/s. The PS5 CPU is 3.5ghz. The PS5 pro is 3.85 ghz. The Xbox Series X Cpu is 3.8 single threaded and 3.6 multi threaded. Just saying
I want to see black myth wukong enhanced, that’s an unreal engine 5 game to see how powerful is really the ps5 PRO.
Sorry guys. Love your work, but as your man said “pixel peeping” to see the minor improvements in aliasing for example. For a £700-£800 pro machine, I was expecting 4k@60fps with dynamic resolution.
Maybe I’m in the wrong, expecting too much for that price.
And yes, I’m aware you don’t have to upgrade to the pro, hence I’ll be still keeping my 7 month old PS5 with an old fashioned spinning disc thing.
When the 50 Series cards come out in a few months Native 4k 60fps will likely be achieved on the 60 series which is the budget option. (something something vram)
The 60 series cards are £300 roughly and for £800 I'd honestly expect a machine capable of native 1440p 60fps by now.
Welcome to 2020 console users ig.
0:02 GENERAL KENOBI
My man 😂
How about Sony release brand new exclusives that take advantage of the new hardware.
Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2, Santa Mónica new IP, Naugthy Dog new IP, GTA 6
@@davidpantoja3668 I'm sure they won't be exclusives. Seems like every game will come to PC.
I think its great now we need to see those unreal engine 5 games now as this is what we will be playing in alot of multiplats going forward
We need the PS5 Pro just for GTA 6 because a lot of people cant wait for the PC Relaase of GTA 6. With the release of GTA 6 the PS5 Pro is gonna sell crazy and if they do a Bundle of that….
Mais GTA6 va très bien tourné sur ps5 standard tout comme la XBOX serie X/S et bien sur le pc la PS5 PRO sert a relancer les ventes c'est tout ! en plus elle est chère parce que SONY ont besoins d'argent la manette ps5 5€ de plus le socle 29.99€ et oui le socle SONY pourrais le donner a 799€ la console franchement poser vous des questions SONY a licencier 900 personnes SONY a stopper des jeux en cour de développement SONY a des problème avec Bungie un rachat de 3.6 milliard SONY a réduit les coûts de production de la PS5 ( réduction du radiateur / suppression du cuivre ) et vous croyez que SONY a mis une fortune sur la production de la pro elle a pris la taille de la standard on rajoute 2 petites grilles sur les coques pour la différencier de la ps5 standard 10% de plus en puissance et HOP !!! sa vous ferras 799€ et bien sur ! il faut acheté le socle 29.99€ de plus pour la tenir debout GAG !!!!! on passe a 828.99€ super cadeaux pour NOËL / SONY va se déguiser en père NOËL 🎅et déposer la pro au pied du sapin🎄 faite votre "lettre" maintenant vous avez jusqu'à fin novembre après il sera trop tard !!!!
The difference is minimal. Makes a PS5 pro a non event purchase. I can think of 1000 different things I'd waste my on on before a Pro.
Who's a big difference wait the pro make gta6 so nice
Who plays with 3X or 4X Zoom? KKK The difference is viewed just in zoom mode? Show te difference in normal mode....
why digital foundry so hell bent on convincing people the ps5 pro is a viable product
they make more videos on it than all their content combined
@@alimoharam4362 it's a hot topic and milions warching these videos mean advert money. And maybe they get something from $ony as well, who knows
Ugh focusing on game graphics is what they do. It's new product when there aren't other new consoles. Why exactly wouldn't they cover it 🤔
nice they deleted my comment..
2:20 that just makes the PS5 look bad...not saying that the PS5 Pro is so great, but the regular ps5 just looks horrible.
It'd be a lot more impressive if the Pro could natively run games at 4k 60, without the need for image reconstruction or frame generation techniques, and still have them look as nice.
Even without that option, wouldnt it be nice to at least give us the option to lock 1440p@60 without scaling or frame gen? That would be a feature id pay the pro pricetag for, if i knew everything i threw at it would run locked 60 at 1440p
Even high end pc’s can’t do native 4k 60 with RT in all games so if you want that from a console then you might want to consider waiting to ps7 or even ps8
By the way games using upscaling on pc looks amazing so seeing how well it looks this early on ps5 pro makes me think PSSR has a bright future
watching this on my s24 resolution 2160p60 and i can see the difference for those who cant must have a crappy screen or are not setting the quality of video to its highest
now as far as the pro beinh worth it from some it isnt and for some it is no neee to hate
I see why people are buying it, heck I bought the ps4 pro, including the 500 million edition, but personally I thought it was better value for money, came later in the ps4 life and it showed bigger improvements I felt, and it could just be me getting older, and tighter with my money 😂 but I just don’t get this upgrade personally.
But I am so glad it is readily available, I imagine scalpers still went for it and I am so glad they are not profiting, so people who do want it can get it at the price it was intended to sell at. (Which I also think is too high here in the uk especially if you have a physical collection but that’s another story )
And as a lot of others say, I want to see benefits on new games, on VR titles! Not games that looked amazing when playing them anyway on the ps5!
pay 920 euros, to play 4 year old game, to change the console again in 2027...seems fair
That argument makes no sense 'cause there will be new games to play on as well... you don't buy a console for just one game... or just new games, or old games. There's a lot to be played, in the future as well.
People need to stop whining and make everything negative... but hey... sign of the times I guess.
It's a marketing stunt to test the waters for digital only and ai upscaling, and yeah, you'll scrap it in 3 years for the ps6, which themselves will say it shts on the pro and you definitely need to go ps6
i'm sure you barely played most of these games 4 years ago.
Ratchet n Clank Rift Apart is not a good example for showing PS5 Pro as the game is already great as it is on base ps5,..its also one of the most optimised PC port and handheld PC like Steam Deck without issue.
Am I going crazy or I can’t see a difference 😭😭
I can on other games
Just focus on the Final Fantasy portion. Looks way better
Still Waiting for some more demanding games like Wukong or alan wake 2
I genuinely don't see a difference.
People complaining about the pro, but many websites reporting they selling a bunch. Odd…
One more time - NEW GAMES PLZ
This is going to end debate now regarding price if you don’t have a ps5, the pro is worth because you either have ps4 or nothing and the increase is helpful. If you have ps5 , you can sell it for 300-400 and it lowers the cost of your pro. Simple as that. I sold mine for $300 so the pro only cost me 400. Cheaper than base Ps5. I had ps5 since launch so i got my money worth. Time to enjoy the future of games optimized for the best console experience. And for you PS haters, yes I have a series X
I won't even get enough $$$ for my OG PS5 to cover the cost of the disc drive I am forced to buy, that is of course if I can even find one
Is there anything about 90 fps mode or 120 rather than graphics 60, I don't mind to play with low or medium graphic with 90 fps.
There’s not practically differences!!! Stay with base PS5 and save the money for the PS6
There's a night and day ps5 pro
@@josephcox2201 In your dreams!!!
They even paused a few times to notice a bit better shadows or a little less blur!!
And that for $800???
We have to be crazy to throw money for that!!!
Ohh, and don’t forget that if you have a 60hz 4K tv you have to upgrade it for a $1,200 120hz one with upsaler in images to see that little to none difference, which makes it a whopping $2,000 upgrade game setup far behind of a $,2000 PC build setup.
I am happy with my base PS5 fat digital and is more than enough to play the entire gen….
Exactly. I get if people are close up to their screens and can see the differences (albeit marginal), but if you're sat far back from your TV or monitor, it's a complete waste of money. You have to be close up to tell the difference. I'm in a good position where I've got a gaming desktop with a 4070 TI and a base PS5, I sit close up to my monitor but I know for a fact that it's not worth the leap, especially considering how small the exclusive library currently is. Bring on the PS6. 😅
@@Rose_D Correct!!! The market is lacking new exciting games, not a powerhouse to see more real life shots!!!
If people want ultra high frames and resolutions, that is being the PC market always and that is good for PC enthusiasts of raw power, but for people that just want a more balanced options, it’s ok what Xbox Series X and PS5 brought at base platforms, but just keep adding amazing games and that will keep the hardware alive and be wanted.
@@Rose_D Crazy how these misinformed comments, like yours, are coming from people that are watching this in 720p on their 5 year old android phone.
What about 2k 120hz?
the differences are minimum !!!
theres no difference! sure if you pause, take screen shot, stitch the two together and zoom in..... but like all games, after the opening cut scene and 10 min into the game, you don't realize the level of fidelity no more, its all about smooth, consistant gameplay with good controls. Sad that the developers spend so much time on worlds, and most people never stop to admire it, just walk on past to the next waypoint in the game. diminishing returns x100
In nowadays everyone is talking about pssr and are hyped about 60fps. But for my much more important is better graphics quality than fps. I’m pretty happy with stable 30fps and from PS5 Pro (with I already order) I’m expecting mainly better graphics quality and RT, not framrate.
So I’m hope that Sony will soon show us next to Performance Pro mode also something like Fidelity Pro mode.
Fidelity Pro mode. This. 200% this. I don’t mind more fps. A lot of people too. I do mind better graphics. Either they’re ray tracing or better textures.
60 fps games looks and play better than any 30fps with super hyper graphics any day!
@@AndyMetalHeadBR it might for you, and there’s already a specific mode for that. I’m asking another thing.
@@AndyMetalHeadBR if for you 60fps is better that’s great, I’m happy for you. But for my and I beat few others people out there, much more interesting is to get better graphics than more fps.
As @baubergo already said, for you is already backed in mode for 60fps, now I would like to see mode for better graphics also.
The ps5 pro is a great upgrade I’ll get mine day 1 I wanna play my games at 4k 60fps on my A95L can’t wait
Lmbo isn't that what the ps5 was for?
@@bombyo3634 yes it was supposed to it didn’t happen
This makes me feel good about getting a pc. Especially since it will look way better then this and have more things i can do with it
This game looks soo nice on PC….
what game
I Just wanna see what happens with unreal engine 5 in third party games
If there will be improvements in this graphic engine I will buy a pro
@@Capiro-ed4ri I can tell you the future rn. If devs will optimise the game it will be dadny, if not, even ps6 won't help.
The pro is going to make gta6 look nice
The thumbnails of this guy 😂
Performance mode on the Series X and PS5 look disgusting in some games. By this I mean below PS4 in quality. PS5 Performance mode at 60fps is what "next gen" should have looked like from day one.
I can see a big difference with other games the pro is going to make upcoming games look so good like gta6
So does this mean that if I increase the sharpness on my TV I will be playing on the PS5 Pro?
No
No you need to turn your sharpness down to match the Pro. DF themselves in this very video said it looked soft
So the ps5 pro isn't fidelity at 60 fps but upscaled performance mode to imitate 4k?
I am watching 4k motinor but it is not big difference. To show difference, they try to show 3x zoom and there are no new games. Why should i buy then?
Can PS5 pro play all its optimized games on 8K? Also what 8K tv did Sony have at there showcase ? If anyone knows please help
So I’m buying the Pro just to enable a mode?
I think all games look great when you get the right setup. Ps5 + OLED Tev 120hz. Don't need for a PS5 Pro.
This doesn't impress me, show a demanding game on the Pro like Hogwarts!
It would look better!!!
My thoughts are that if you are wondering wether you want this then you should not buy it.
But, if you love playing your PS5 that you got at launch and you buy 10+ games a year for it then this makes a ton of sense as an upgrade if you sell your old one. I got 4 years of mileage on my PS5 and because prices have increased on them the last few years I got to sell mine for just the same I bought it for and therefor this ain't that bad an upgrade.
Basically. If you liked your PS4 Pro then this is probably worth it for you. But everyone else(Which is accurately 90% of PS4 owners) should just ignore this. It will do nothing for you
I loved my PS4 Pro. Totally worth it. This upgrade is not worth it in anyway whatsoever and is detrimental to the overall industry.
Maybe they should start selling 1440p "gaming televisions."
Optional 32" 1440p 30Hz or 60Hz without VRR and call it 4K 120Hz VRR...
On a side note who ever made ratchet and clank should remake sly cooper 🙏🏽
Theres not many differences that I can see and I haven't seen any other games so I might be wrong but I wonder if the differences will improve over time?? Maybe with updates that support the ps5 pro like the ps4 pro when it came out. Otherwise the console doesn't seem worth it.
dont know the numbers but based of comments on youtube and reddit seems that the ps5 pro is selling well i also feel many people are just waiting for its full release and reviews from the youtubers and if it lives to the hype then i think tje ps5 pro will be selling like hotcakes
How fast does the fidelity mode run?
me too. DF no public this hide mode.
People must be watching these videos on a bad display or are being disingenuous. Even with YT compression it's easy to see the differences. You could argue these differences don't warrant an upgrade to your system but acting like there's no improvement is absurd.
It seems DF will make a video for each ps5 ever realeased running on the pro
I hope so
Please Don't trow that ssd to the rubbish,you try to heat it a little bit with a hair dry gun,more times ssd "Reborn" in this way and then can use for another 2-3 years,ssd is common this happen they seems like "died" but if you hot air it,then it back to work.
PS5 with external hard drive would cost roughly the same as a PS5 Pro so I would get it for the memory. The performance is just extra.
I thought the big deal was it can play 4k 120fps?
Will it not do 120fps at 4k?
Old games to showcase a new system don't add up. We need new software to go with all this new hardware 🎉
DF spamming ps5 pro video every few hours to make us zoom and pause every time to notice difference in old games or remasters.
How does the pisser plays in quality mode with unlocked frames for 120hz display
Cant wait for the pro love a bit of new tech and playstation games are a ton of fun 🤘
10:15 Yeah, unfortunately he did not do that, all he did was stressing the PSSR shortcomings, while downplaying its strengths, and downplaying the DLSS shortcomings, while stressing its strengths. The absence of any mention regarding the jarring amount of aliasing present in the DLSS presentation was very disappointing and actually embarrassing.
I watch Digital Foundry videos to enjoy in-depth tech analyses, not some sort of manipulative, fandom-driven narrative disguised as tech analysis. I know where and what to look at, and I did not enjoy the PSSR vs DLSS analysis because it was very biased and misleading, that is not the level I expect from Digital Foundry. It takes long time to build a reputation, and very little time to destroy it, I feel some people are pushing their luck a bit too far, at this point. Most of the crowd is ignorant in regard of these things, but some of us can see, some of us understand, and it's not a good look.
Richard has said that critique is important because allows people and companies to grow and do better. Then please take in consideration this critique of mine, hopefully we can have more balanced and neutral high quality analyses in the future, when it comes to the PC side of things.
Xbox series X was achieving 4k 120 fps since launch for certain games.
Why is 4k 60fps news in the PS5 pro?
Im really glad pssr is on consoles now. FSR be gone
of all the games I've seen so far Ratchet and Clank seems to be the only one that manages to make the most of the PS 5 pro, I have to say thanks to Sony who decided to give New Life to this chapter despite the 4 million copies sold, they could have chosen another PlayStation exclusive and instead they chose Ratchet, we have to apologize to Sony!
Final Fantasy says HELLO. You blind?
@@CJP.-pq3krFF is not from Sony 😂
@@salvatorem2686 it’s an exclusive “😂”
Sony: 700 for clearer MILLIONS OF MILES AWAY BACKGROUNDS...
DF Before: where?
Sony again: *throws free trip to headquarters AND hotel stay*
"press your nose to the screen..."
DF once again: "OH! YES! I SEE IT.!!! IT'S GREAT!!!"
Yeah don’t really see a difference. Waste of money.
Got it pre-ordered already, let me see other games!!
“How many times are they going to make PS5 Pro videos?”
How many times are yall gonna comment about how you hate the PS5?
Probably the same amount that you keep watching the videos and reading the comments.
@@robertjackson3498 I gotta watch, I pre ordered 😰 the ratchet and clank videos have been the roughest
Every time they make a video about it that shows no real improvements and even regression in some aspects?
@@TheSurfheart I mean I don’t know if I’d say the console shows regression. There are def some disappointments, but there are also things it is doing very well where you can see improvements. It’s ok to give flowers when they’re due.
The game looks "kinda ok" on base PS5 now? It's also not really 4K on Pro is it, talk about cherry picking the "improvements". Wake me up when a new generation of hardware matches the jump from PS1 -> PS2