One Mystery Solved and Oh! That Button Works!
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- In this episode we're back in the bakery with our Hobart Mixer.
For our previous bakery video:
• A Bakery Fit For a Bat...
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Current Hobart Service employee. Avoid shifting speeds on these old mixers while they are running. You can damage the transmission. They are intended to be stopped when changing speeds. Also, I have personally worked on this same model with a manufacture date of 1960. We can still get parts. Let me know if you need anything. :)
I've seen many of these mixers get destroyed by changing speed without turning the mixer off first 😔
NOW THAT’S SERVICE! 😃
Big shout out to the former Hobart employee who cool enough to share that record.
Came here to comment that!
Not only original paperwork, but sent to BB-62 New Jersey, not some random Navy warehouse. Literally custom made for her!
Probably not custom-made (commercial mixers this size had been made for decades) but definitely ordered specifically for her.
It said on the right of the document "Hold for USS New Jersey BB62" so it wasn't made specifically for her but I'm guessing it was earmarked for somewhere else and Navy said,
"We'll take it."
Hobart: "We don't have any spares, everything is spoken and paid for."
Navy: "I _said_ We'll. Take. It."
@@TomatoFettuccini they're probably custom made for shipboard use. With a base that can be bolted _securely_ to the deck.
@@ut000bs I'd be surprised if they had anything other than a slightly modified base. I've worked around machines like this for 20+ years and they're extremely heavy. The one in the video is probably 1000lbs.
Since it's so big to begin with it requires a metal stand and commercial machines like that one have pretty heavy steel exterior components, I would be surprised if Hobart had to do more than just drill holes to bolt it to the deck. If there is a custom component, it'd be the foot, if anything.
@@ut000bsno, probably not. Those were/are made to bolt to the floor, regardless of where they are going. If they are not bolted to the floor. They would dance around.
Those old Hobart mixers are worth there weight in gold.
Built like a battleship. 😀
Jumbo KitchenAid (yes, the sequence was Hobart first)
Ever move one of those beasts? It is like dancing g with my fat aunt at a wedding, long and painful
I would imagine there is a safety protocol using them too. A mixer that big could take off a limb if a piece of clothing got hooked.
@@mindeloman Yes there is. No loose clothing or jewelry. Even gloves can be an issue if they aren't right fitting.
The sound in this video is making me nostalgic for the early days of this channel.
I swear I looked at the date. It was a dang cool video.
and the 10fps video XD
It's hilarious and awesome a former employee has all the old Hobart records. This is the definition of crowd sourcing and sharing.
Some companies surprisingly save that stuff forever. I work with large electrical equipment. A division of GE still has drawings and project records for equipment we have that is 50-60 years old. If you give them time, and a bunch of money, some old dude will go find the drawing and crank up the machines and make you a part.
Work had a company contact us for a replacement water tank 10 years out of date
Surprised found the tooling as wasn’t scraped yet and made them a replacement
A lot of the Car clubs in the US have all the Microfiche reels for their particular car showing production and what the cars Build sheets.
@@pittpens111 in the Ford world, the "Marti Report" comes to mind.
@@willj1598 meanwhile a large toy company (2Step) doesn't maintain records of products earlier than 2010 which has been a headache for me in restoring a older toy for my kid.
!. Watching Ryan play with the Hobart. I can turn it on, I can engage the clutch, change the speed setting. But look at this!
2. One of the coolest things ever is when a piece of documentation just shows up. Major props to the viewer who tracked down the invoice.
So freaking awesome that he was able to find the original docy! ❤
its amazing any company would keep a requisition for 50+ years
@@leftyo9589 Corporate archives often have all sorts of old records, the company I worked for had long asset lifespans and we needed that information for present day projects, and imagine what the various governments around the world have.
Things that Excite a Museum Ship Curator #247...
The Chelsea clocks on board are other items for which fabulous documentation may be available. Up through early WW-II Chelsea kept a notation in their log books for each clock - model and at least to whom sold - not to which specific ship it went. I bought an old Ship’s Bell wall clock which apparently went to the Navy via Bailey Banks & Biddle, Philadelphia in 1906 according to Chelsea. That jeweler still exists today as Kay. After the start of the war, Chelsea still maintained records, but much more terse due to the production volume. I have several old non striking wall clocks which have serial numbers hand scribed on the face by the Naval Observatory, but I have not learned how to access those records, if they still exist.
The ship’s chronometers, necessary for accurate navigation are often Hamilton model 21. A large ship such as New Jersey mint have six or seven chronometers. The Hamilton model 21 was introduced in 1941. Before Hamilton, chronometers were largely hand built. Slow production would not do to outfit all the capital ships, fleet ships and merchant marine. A small supplier to Hamilton figured out a way to mass produce the detent escapement which is the heart of a chronometer in large numbers. An interesting note is that time balls were dropped at high noon by naval observatories. When the ball hit bottom, it was exactly noon. Later, radio signals served in place of time balls. The reason the ball was used is that it was visible at the ship at the speed of light with no delay as there would have been with a gun’s report. Chronometers were set before ships left port and adjusted no more. The navigator had to apply a known error rate multiplied by the duration a ship had been under sail to determine correct time. Chronometers were set as close as possible to 86,400 seconds per day and monitored for a week or more to determine the actual gain or loss. The key to making a chronometer useful isn’t so much the absolute accuracy as the known error rate and the fact that temperature compensation made the rate stable over a wide range of temperature.
I spent years at a pizza restaurant. You don’t want that dough hook spinning as fast as you had it going. First gear for making pizza dough. That flat beater is good for making honey butter on speed 2. Did that while at a Tex-Mex restaurant. 24 pounds of butter to 2 gallons of honey. The higher speeds are for that wire whisk or for shredding, slicing, grinding attachments that are placed where your left forearm was resting. That machine can grind beef into hamburger, grind other cuts for recipes, stuff sausages, shred lettuce, cabbage, cheeses, slice vegetables for salad bars. The home version of the Hobart mixer is the KitchenAid brand. I remember doing maintenance on the ones I worked with. They had grease fittings to keep them lubed, but it was a vegetable based grease for food safety. I think it was called Vegilene, or something similar to that name. With regular maintenance, those Hobart mixers will last for decades.
Of course it still works, It was american made in the 60s/70s... things from that era like that absolutely REFUSE to die.
You aren’t kidding. My mom had a refrigerator/freezer from 1961 in her basement and it still worked just fine. They just don’t make em to last any more.
have one from the 70s at my work and she still runs great with zero issues
Freezer from the 70s died this year
Confirmation bias. You only see and remember the stuff that still works. The stuff that was crap is long gone.
Mom and dad had a Sears Kenmore chest freezer. Ran from 1970 until their estate sale in 2022 - 52 years and still held temperature. Abused too, through a lot of power surges and drops.
"Enjoying a five minute video about a battleship's giant mixer" is not something I had on my BINGO card. But, here I am...enjoying this video. You never come across as a "know-it-all", Ryan. Your presentation style is great, and your humility is evident.
That Hobart machine. Of course that machine works perfectly. New Jersey has some of the best machinery ever built on her. I bet the vast majority of it works.
I work with a nonprofit that bakes 75lbs of bread every day. We eventually did wear out our Hobart mixer. After 50 years of daily service.
My Father owned & operated a bakery from the mid-50s thru the late 80s. He used this same style Hobart mixer (in a different color) for his entire baking career. As a kid in the 60s I used to love running his mixer thru the gears just like you did here. Seemed like I was shifting gears in a car. Good memories.
My father owned an Italian restaurant and had one for mixing the dough and the sauce. It was more industrial looking and made of stainless steel.
I would expect the original one still worked but this larger one was desired for some reason. There are a lot of 60+ year old Hobart mixers still working in kitchens around the world.
2, 3 thousand sailors
Sailors find “novel” ways of breaking things. That said most bakeries don’t move 20ft vertically on a regular basis.
You have shown us the wire whisk, the spiral kneading hook, the mixing paddle and an attachment for an 80+ quart commercial Hobart that I've not used or seen before. You call it a "harpoon", but I wonder if it's not a different type of kneading hook, but with the 20 quart Hobart that I used, I most just used the paddle, wire whisk or spiral kneading hook.
A commercial used bakery equipment website lists the M802 as available as an 80 quart rebuilt unit for $9900 dollars in mid-2024.
You might want to check out the maintenance schedule for the M802 in a Hobart service manual. Check for proper lube, toothed "flex gear" and V-belt condition and motor cooling system operation before running this unit too much. The 2 HP model M802 uses old-style non-solid-state speed controls, the newer solid state controlled motor would be rated at 3 HP. Also verify that the motor start & run capacitors are still good, as they don't age well and can give out the "magic smoke" and wreck the electric motor. You also don't want to breathe the very acrid "magic smoke" from the unit. Finally, an M802 unit, with bowl, wire whisk and mixing paddle weighs 1150 pounds, so it doesn't make for a very nice dancing partner...
WoW!!! Because of the original document I can say that I have actually bought appliances from the same store in Long Beach many years ago when I lived there. I have since moved locally but I know exactly where that place was. How cool. It's a beauty too. Man, they just don't make things like that anymore. And watching Ryan here, he's like a kid with a new toy. LOL.
Careful. That thing can blend you in that bowl.
Can see that belt getting sucked in
bingo. those aren't toys. they probably would replace it if the ship got activated as new ones have weird looking idtio guards on them. I can't see anybody service age even be able to lift bowls that big either anymore.
“Oh! That button works!“
*16“ KABOOM!*
My high school shop had a WWII era Bridgeport Lathe in the shop room, still worked perfectly. My town's power plant has a backup generator that was originally in Oak Ridge Laboratory during the Manhattan Project. That stuff from back then was built to last. Everything these days is built to be replaced. The differences cannot be more stark.
Can't make money when things don't break. Capitalism 101.
I would adore a video of you showing off things like this that still work
Any Hobart or CMA dishwashers on board? I used to service and maintain them when I worked for a dishwasher service company... if you do and still use them DO NOT handle the detergent for them without proper gloves and care, it will turn your skin into soap on contact..... it's caustic.... very caustic when not diluted down in the dishwashing process... those types of dishwashers can do service for 4 or 8 in 60 to 90 seconds.... that detergent is powerful...
It's awesome when documentation like that can be added to your historical records.
I love how many things on the ship still work!
Remember that time he sort of accidentally discovered that a huge 440V chain hoist was operable?
@@christianweagle6253Yup! And one of the capstans on the fantail!
time to make the donuts
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Greetings from Germany. That mixer is a serious deterrent. We'll behave.
This is why I love this channel ! The unexpected connections and I honestly never knew I would care about an industrial mixer. Great content and an honest presentation. Keep up the good work!
Same here.
I’ve worked in big restaurants that have 5060-year-old Hobart mixers. You can’t kill those things they last forever. And they really haven’t changed the design a whole lot in the last hundred years.
The name HOBART brought back my (Gator Navy) USN memories, was an HT and did a lot of shipboard welding repairs using the ships HOBART welding equipment.
Learned to weld on with an old Hobart machine, still a lot of them out there, still my favorites.
I was qualified on the Mk92 fire control system the CIWS and all versions of the Harpoon missile system up to the SWG-1A. I still have all the certificates. Also the DD-214 to prove it.
Ok but were you qualified on the Hobart mixing machine? That other stuff is fine, I guess, but it's no Hobart mixing machine.
@@MrArgus11111 lol that’s true but he did say “any equipment you we’re qualified on” and last time I checked weapons systems were still considered equipment.
You should sell chocolate chip cookies made fresh daily on that mixer!
That would be an awful lot of cookies...
@@litz13sounds like a win-win
So cool to get that info from a fan
I love the sound that machine makes!
IBM PC's running DOS 3.1!
I've still got a DOS 1.0 installation disk around here somewhere.
You could do re-inacting in the bakery and put out a line of U.S.S. New Jersey baked goods in the gift shop.
Now you know that machine is working, are you going to make some BB62 cookies? 😂
Pretty cool to actually see the original paperwork. Nice job by the man from Hobart that took the time to find and share it.
That Hobart, and the one before it, would have been running constantly to meet demand for the ship for every meal. Those machines are worth their weight in gold and then some.
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I know zero about mixers but I do know that old machines in general usually need a little TLC before running them too much. Lubrication and belts dry out. Since Hobart is still in business perhaps they would help you out on that.
This is brilliant! You couldn't ask for a better document than the actual invoice, complete with serial number and date.
The internet is such a wonderful place sometimes.. So crazy to see the original documents
I am a welder, mechanic and machinist (yes I can do all three pretty well and have for years) however I would not call myself an expert in any of it by any means. However in my insatiable quest for knowledge of all things mechanical. the engineering plant and it's maintenece hold a special interest for me. Doing one hell of a job there Ryan. I have learned so much. Cheers
1:59 dough hook for making bread. All home auto bread makers have a similar hook shaped mixing attachment. The one in the machine would be for general mixing of flour etc for cakes, biscuits (or whatever Americans call them, cookies?). The third attachment there on its side on the floor would be for very wet mixes I think, such as a batter (for pancakes etc).
A video like this in the machine shop would be awesome!
they did one a few years back... veteran machinist giving the tour.
Super cool. I find things like this with old documentation all the time and it's super fun, if a bit obscure and geeky. 😊
The mixing bowl was made from a sheet of stainless steel using a 1,000 ton press at the Pressed Steel Department of ACF Inds, Milton PA. It was pressed into a mold, trimmed, then the ring and other attachments were welded on (they used TIG when I was there). It was then polished and shipped to Hobart. I think we made all their bowls from 60 to 250 quart sizes. They may have been larger sizes but it has been 57 years since I was there. Smaller bowls were spun, not pressed, by another company. Everything else made in the Milton plant was railcars and railcar parts.
Double check the instructions...you might be required to stop the mixer between speed changes. I don't know those old Hobarts, but my 20 qt has that restriction.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Definitely not a good idea to switch speeds when it's running. It actually DOES say that in the operating instructions.
Time to open your own bakery. "BB62 Buns, Bread and Baked Goods."
I could make a whole lot of chocolate chip cookies in that machine.
Dang, you know it's serious when you even got the receipts. That receipt will live on for centuries after the ship is gone, I would indeed dare to say millennia.
I'm amazed at the background logistis involved for military service, peacetime or wartime, you have to feed a lot of people. The cooks and bakers were just as important as the frontline personnel. And they needed tools like this to do their jobs!
Thanks for everything you do, I have watched ever episode since dry docking. This was a very cool story. All the best for you and your team as you continue to bring this ship alive. -An expat “NJer”, living in Ft. Wayne, IN
Mixer? That's more like the Leg Remover 3000...
I love how your shirt color matches the decor, and also, getting that document sent to you was amazing!
How cool is that that machine still works!
So Wise , Thank You.
my great uncle, james ryan, mm3, lost part of his hand in that mixer during korea. he got out of the navy in 1963, and went on to own a plumbing company in schnectady ny. he passed in 2016. thx for the vid!!
Well, there's something to be said for huge industrial machines like that where it is expected for you to be trained on to ensure you don't go doing something stupid and turn yourself into dough. Especially older stuff like that with very little in the way of safety interlocks and whatnot. It just works. And works, and keeps working for ages.
When I was in grade school you could volunteer to help in the kitchen. It was actually fun. They had a smaller version of that mixer. The safety program was simple. Lunch lady walked around with you "don't touch the oven, it's hot", "don't stick your hand it the dishwasher, it will cook your skin", "don't touch the mixer, it will rip your arm off". In 5th and 6th grade we actually learned to operate a commercial dishwasher that sanitized with hot water. I believed her and never stuck my arm in. Now they feed kids Taco Bell and they probably don't even let them take it out of the box themselves for fear they'll hurt themselves.
Many of the old kitchen appliances (especially dishwashers) were salvaged from WW2 Era ships as they were being scrapped and auctioned off to be installed in facilities across the country. My employer just replaced one such machine about 5 years ago. The stuff was built to last.
Well, since the plant I retired from made all kinds of ship board/aircraft/space computers, EW systems and such you'd think - but we didn't make anything that went on your ship. Now if you had an MH-60R or S - well the entire 'glass cockpit' was developed and built by us. And we integrated the R - took a bare air frame and stuffed it with every system, rack and cable. Every escort in your battle group (as well as aircraft in the air wing) had plenty of our work. Funny thing was I grew up working in my folks restaurant before becoming an engineer - I have lots of hours on Hobart mixers. LOL
That giant dough hook gave me flash backs of when I worked in a donuts shop at age 16.👍
That mixer has more POWER then the Submarine Cod and at .9 curators tall and 2 curators wide/ deep it's big too!
Tell Paul to put more men on the job!
The Battle of New Jersey Cod
The big universal milling machine in the ship’s machine shop, Ken called a Milwaukee universal mill in the machine shop tour video. It’s actually a Kearney and Trecker universal milling machine. Kearney and Trecker was the biggest milling machine manufacturer in the US for a long time. Just before WW2 they built the largest factory in the world for the time in Milwaukee and during WW2 it was used to manufacture airplanes for the war. They have long since went out of business but many of their machines that still exist today still work which is a testament to their excellent build quality. It’s called a universal milling machine because it can be either a horizontal milling machine or a vertical milling machine. Horizontal milling machines have fallen out of favor today because vertical CNC milling machines can do the job a horizontal milling machine can do along with everything a vertical milling machine can do. The reason you might want to use a horizontal milling machine as opposed to a vertical milling machine like the Bridgeport milling machine on the ship is because horizontal milling machines are more advantageous if you want to cut multiple sections of a part at the same time because instead of having just one cutter like you would with a vertical mill you can put multiple cutters on an arbor and have the machine spindle drive the arbor. In that same tour video Ken said you can make gears on the machine but he didn’t really explain how you could very well. There’s a little thing that mounts to the table of the mill called a dividing head, a dividing head is a method of indexing, a dividing head of that size can probably do between 400 and 800 total points around the circular part you mount in it. So you’d mount a cylindrical piece of metal in the dividing head, and then you’d put a special gear cutter in the milling machine to cut the gears. The other thing Ken didn’t show in that video was just how much tooling you need to go with the lathes and mills on the ship. Someone did a great video looking at the machine shop on board USS Iowa and they showed all the tools and cutters they had on board the ship to be used with the machines. You obviously can’t just order the cutter you need from a catalog like you could in a regular machine shop because you’re at sea, so they had to carry pretty much every tool and cutter you could possibly need to get any job done, and whatever you tools you didn’t have you would have to make a tool to get the job done. If a ship like New Jersey were to be reactivated today every machine in the shop could be replaced with a 5 axis CNC milling machine a CNC lathe, a few plastic 3d printers and a metal 3d printer. the navy would probably put 2 5 axis CNC mills and 2 CNC lathes on the ship and instead of having a machine shop crew of 8 or 10 you could bring that down to 2, a machine programmer and an operator. Unfortunately in this day and age manual machines have fallen out of favor for all but a few areas of machining because CNC machines are much faster, more versatile, and they never make mistakes on their own. In an area like a ship where you need those parts to fix something as soon as possible efficiency is everything and CNC machines can get the job done 5 to 10 times faster than a manual machine and don’t require special tools and equipment to make things like perfect radiuses. I would still like to see a series of videos where Ken goes into a bit more detail on the machines in the machine shop and maybe he does a few videos where he shows how they made some of the most common parts they would have to make while the ship was under way.
Holy cow, that thing was built to last.
That's incredible documentation tat was provided by a viewer
Nice that you have an image of the original purchase document from Hobart
I was HOPING he was going to show us the Nuke Button but Admiral Spider-Zanski is keeping that secret to himself!
We all know he's restoring the ship to become the Pirate Admiral of the East Coast!
HI RYAN ,, GREAT VIDEO!!! WHEN YOU SEND US ALL THESE GREAT VIDEIO'S ,, DONT BE SURPRISED WHO HAS WORKED WITH THIS EQUIPMENT ANY THING,, ABOARD THAT GREAT SHIP ,, OR ANY WHERE ,,.I WORKED WITH THAT MIXER IN A HOSPITAL MANY YEARS AGO.. DONT GET YOUR FEET TO CLOSE TO IT,, IT WILL GIVE YOUR SHOES A SHINE WITH THE DOE.. KITCHEN'S IN ANY STYLE IN THOSE DAYS LOOKED THE SAME.. THANK YOU .,, VETERAN....
I love these deep dives into weirdly specific things you all do.
Things that are so mundane on land, are interesting because it is on a battleship.
That thing better be anchored because it would be a heck of a shore to pick back up!
What a machine! No safety cage around the bowl, and "rip your arm off" speeds! Nah but I love old electronics and this is amazing that you could just plug it in and fire it up.
"this machine has no brain, use your own"!!
@@rearspeaker6364As we say at work, "that 7000 HP machine will not be harmed or upset if you get sucked into it"
That's a beautiful machine, actually.
How very cool!!!! Plus it works and the original paperwork.
It’s been a long time since I toured Battleship Texas, but I recall it has a Hobart mixer, or perhaps more than one on board. That one probably dates from WWII.
Gotta make some cinnamon rolls and maple twists now! Nice history and documentation!
This is really funny to me, I just went to the USS Massachusetts last week for the first time and coincidentally also bought basically the same Hobart for my bakery the week prior. The USS Massachusetts actually has the older model mixer you showed briefly in an illustration around 1:37 on board, as well as a horizontal (Champion brand) mixer that appears original/era appropriate just based on the castings and compared to other mixers I’ve seen in bread bakeries throughout my career. Very cool! These Hobarts are still widely in use around the country today
Finding the original documentation on the mixer is AWESOME. However, if the boat ever went active again (it will not) that mixer would be out. OSHA would not let it. Today's mixers require a full cage enclosing the bowl and the agitators.
Now that's really nice! Might start baking and selling bread on board, who knows...
If you have more things running in that kitchen, you could open a bakery or even a restaurant for additional revenue to support the museum.
MADE IN AMERICA - Because it matters. Remember kids, cheaper is usually never better and you get what you pay for!
I'm fascinated with the boilers, I worked for B&W for a short time.
And the serendipity spreads. Recently, I was out of town and bought a fancy loaf of bread at some upscale grocery, and the bakery's logo was a mixer arm exactly like the one installed on the mixer in this video. Until I saw this video (I'm a subscriber and like Ryan's presentations), I had no idea what the weird shape on the logo was.
You never realize just WHO is in your audience till something like this happens🤠🫡
Computer engineer today. Back in the 80's was a Quartermaster in the Army.
Does the battleship New Jersey have an ice cream maker? That’d be awesome if they did. 🍦😁
we do!
Hahaha I knew it I just knew it when watching the video on the bakery and you all showed the close up of the mixer I just knew someone somewhere would know and answer that question for you all.
And I have to say I also agree with what Ryan says it's one of the great things about watching this channel him talking about something not knowing for sure the facts and somebody out there answering it
This is close to the coolest video you have done!
Way up there on the cool scale!
“Be a Navy cook they said. It’s not dangerous they said.” Giant spinning man eating machines.
3:05 I wonder where the old one went. Government Auction off to a War Surplus store? Have you ever rummaged through one of them? (Sarg Hubbard's)
So, when are you reaching out to the TX, NC, AL, and MA to find out which mixer they have? I'm genuinely curious now. 😄
Theres one at work , I work in a kitchen obviously and the thing is old as shit. Still use it on a semi regular basis for things like mashed potatoes and cakes. Its cool how a lot of the old appliances just keep going vs new tech
I used a similar model, the entire 26 years working in 5he bakery I was at.
I was a nuke electrician and the first person qualified as electrical load dispatcher on the USS Eisenhower CVN-69.
likely that now days the mixer would not pass safety requirements. There would need to be a shield in place around the moving parts before it starts up to protect the operator from having a lose apron or other piece of clothing being pulled into the rotating blades.
This is so cool!
That's very cool...