Alternative method: Trigger every note on your modular using a midi keyboard, play one note at a time from C0 to C5, record the sequence of notes in one clip and then slice to midi via transients. This way you can get the tail of each note as well.
while sending pure midi to synth patches is better on my CPU, I am a big fan of this clever routing trick to efficiently produce sampler/simpler racks, as this can save tablespace and setup time
2:00 No need to do this manually. If you have for example 12 samples you can drag them to start at C1 and end on B1. Then click Distribute ranges equally. For larger numbers just divide by 12 to have number of full octaves and take the remainder (modulo) to set last note.
If you have a 5-PIN MIDI cable and a hardware MIDI in and out, you could connect the in to the out and not have to fuss with the software. As long as you're not resending the MIDI In back to the MIDI Out it should work.
The loopMIDI app link is dead. Can you re-up? GREAT tutorial. Question. Does, the resample into Ableton sound just like the hardware? I know with Kontakt, it gets a nice clean signal.
I couldn't figure out the Midi in and out stuff with mapping on my Mac so what I did was make sure every note plays for one bar and recorded this in one clip. Then right click and Slice to new midi track and create one slice per bar without warping (better sound). This seems even quicker, but maybe I oversee some downsides?
You've now essentially made a polyphonic mother 32 from hell. i was wondering if i could sample mine for the sake of making chord progressions with a traditional monophonic synth and now my question has been answered. This is so helpful. sending love from Denver man. Nicole should book you at the black box again! lol
You can limit the range in the sampler to distribute equally. Just fit all samples in the required range and than right click to distribute range equally
If you have 127 samples that'd work perfectly for this, but modular doesn't do a full 10-11 octaves, so you'd have to put some clips of silence on either end if you wanted to do that (totally doable though! - just a bit of file management involved - that's a nice hack tho)
sorry but u don´t need clips of silence. thats what i mean. u can distibute equally with less samples than 127 with this trick. no rootkey hustle... ;)
the midi triggers my piano before ableton can record it. leaving the transient recorded at the end of the previous clip. Ive done abletons built in delay compensation lesson so I don't understand why my recordings are out of sync. id love to use this template but at the moment it is unusable because everything gets recorded out of sync. I tried using track delay also, and it takes more than 75ms and even then it starts to glitch at that high of a delay. im running 512 samples with an Apollo twin so idk what the problem is any suggestions bill?
This seems like an enormous amount of work rather than using a purpose-built tool such as SampleRobot, Mainstage’s Auto Sampler, or the old Extreme Sample Converter.
What downloading a thing & setting a few inputs & outputs, then arming your track to record? How's that a lot of work? lol Edit: Just looked into your suggestions, and although they'd likely work, SampleRobot costs 249.00 EUR, Mainstage costs $9.99 USD on PC (or requires you to be using a Mac - which if you're using you'll just have IAC drivers anyway & save a step in my process - not needing to DL loopMIDI), and Extreme Sample Converter is 40.00 EUR & looks pretty dated (although I do love retro looking software - it triggers my inner "I feel like a hacker today" feels).
Mr. Bill Sure, your solution is obviously the cheaper way to go. It’s just that if you want to do a lot of this kind of work, purpose-built tools will give you a lot more power and flexibility in automating the process. Nevertheless, I admire your ingenuity in coming up with an Ableton-only workflow for accomplishing the same task!
How do you deal with creating 2 or 3 independent oscillator synths in sampler? I’d love to be able to do this with a model D, but still have independent level, tune and oscillator shape for the 3 oscillators.
Sure, but that'd only trigger the synth itself, you need another thing to trigger the cells within Ableton so it automatically records them into separate clips for you, too.
for whatever dumb reason, it only records a bar of audio and each clip launched only launches the next clip to record and not the one within the same scene... (on mac using IAC)
quick tip i found. put a dummy clip above your lowest C (the first scene) for both midi tracks and then set its follow action to launch the next scene. remove the stop button from the corresponding audio track. you'll record your lowest C (a full 4 bars). i know this is pretty dumb, but it cleaned it up for me.
Could you also share your 'Project' as a template with us... that would save everyone a bit of time I guess. And really cool trick this is! Thanks for that!
This really gave some good ideas
Most useful tutorial ever for sample pack makers. And super well explained on top of that. Tanx Beel
As always very educational - thanks!
Alternative method: Trigger every note on your modular using a midi keyboard, play one note at a time from C0 to C5, record the sequence of notes in one clip and then slice to midi via transients. This way you can get the tail of each note as well.
while sending pure midi to synth patches is better on my CPU, I am a big fan of this clever routing trick to efficiently produce sampler/simpler racks, as this can save tablespace and setup time
Very Cool! Thanks for sharing.
Looking forward to your ableton racks :)
This is awesome! Super helpful. Thank you
Sickkles!!! miss playing CS with you bill.
2:00 No need to do this manually. If you have for example 12 samples you can drag them to start at C1 and end on B1. Then click Distribute ranges equally. For larger numbers just divide by 12 to have number of full octaves and take the remainder (modulo) to set last note.
Great tip, thanks!!
If you have a 5-PIN MIDI cable and a hardware MIDI in and out, you could connect the in to the out and not have to fuss with the software. As long as you're not resending the MIDI In back to the MIDI Out it should work.
That seems more complicated & annoying to me.
Can you show us the modular and why you got modules? It would make a great tutorial
The loopMIDI app link is dead. Can you re-up? GREAT tutorial.
Question. Does, the resample into Ableton sound just like the hardware? I know with Kontakt, it gets a nice clean signal.
Fantástico!!!
I couldn't figure out the Midi in and out stuff with mapping on my Mac so what I did was make sure every note plays for one bar and recorded this in one clip. Then right click and Slice to new midi track and create one slice per bar without warping (better sound). This seems even quicker, but maybe I oversee some downsides?
You've now essentially made a polyphonic mother 32 from hell. i was wondering if i could sample mine for the sake of making chord progressions with a traditional monophonic synth and now my question has been answered. This is so helpful. sending love from Denver man. Nicole should book you at the black box again! lol
You can limit the range in the sampler to distribute equally. Just fit all samples in the required range and than right click to distribute range equally
If you have 127 samples that'd work perfectly for this, but modular doesn't do a full 10-11 octaves, so you'd have to put some clips of silence on either end if you wanted to do that (totally doable though! - just a bit of file management involved - that's a nice hack tho)
sorry but u don´t need clips of silence. thats what i mean. u can distibute equally with less samples than 127 with this trick. no rootkey hustle... ;)
Make a video pls :)
mr bill pays his bill :) thats ton of money dude
instead of assigning Root note, you can assign Scale to 0 (right next to it)
Great tip !! Thanks!
Your Low Key a genius bruh...
the midi triggers my piano before ableton can record it. leaving the transient recorded at the end of the previous clip. Ive done abletons built in delay compensation lesson so I don't understand why my recordings are out of sync. id love to use this template but at the moment it is unusable because everything gets recorded out of sync. I tried using track delay also, and it takes more than 75ms and even then it starts to glitch at that high of a delay. im running 512 samples with an Apollo twin so idk what the problem is
any suggestions bill?
This seems like an enormous amount of work rather than using a purpose-built tool such as SampleRobot, Mainstage’s Auto Sampler, or the old Extreme Sample Converter.
What downloading a thing & setting a few inputs & outputs, then arming your track to record? How's that a lot of work? lol
Edit: Just looked into your suggestions, and although they'd likely work, SampleRobot costs 249.00 EUR, Mainstage costs $9.99 USD on PC (or requires you to be using a Mac - which if you're using you'll just have IAC drivers anyway & save a step in my process - not needing to DL loopMIDI), and Extreme Sample Converter is 40.00 EUR & looks pretty dated (although I do love retro looking software - it triggers my inner "I feel like a hacker today" feels).
Mr. Bill Sure, your solution is obviously the cheaper way to go. It’s just that if you want to do a lot of this kind of work, purpose-built tools will give you a lot more power and flexibility in automating the process. Nevertheless, I admire your ingenuity in coming up with an Ableton-only workflow for accomplishing the same task!
How do you deal with creating 2 or 3 independent oscillator synths in sampler? I’d love to be able to do this with a model D, but still have independent level, tune and oscillator shape for the 3 oscillators.
Can't you go through all the midi notes using the follow action commands?
Sure, but that'd only trigger the synth itself, you need another thing to trigger the cells within Ableton so it automatically records them into separate clips for you, too.
for whatever dumb reason, it only records a bar of audio and each clip launched only launches the next clip to record and not the one within the same scene... (on mac using IAC)
it also only records 1 fucking bar... .UGH!!!
it's also also triggering the next note before launching the next record so a D will have a D# for 1 bar...
got it. key is to quantize all clips to 1 bar and to turn off global launch quantization (command 0 )
quick tip i found. put a dummy clip above your lowest C (the first scene) for both midi tracks and then set its follow action to launch the next scene. remove the stop button from the corresponding audio track. you'll record your lowest C (a full 4 bars). i know this is pretty dumb, but it cleaned it up for me.
why not just record in 96000hz & 32bit and you don't need to do all that ?
@ableton: Please make this somehow automatic.
Could you also share your 'Project' as a template with us... that would save everyone a bit of time I guess. And really cool trick this is! Thanks for that!