Great video. After watching your last two videos Im wondering what the advantage of the trem system is on this guitar. It seems like a nightmare to use properly. Looking forward to video three.
@@BUCKNUT1919 hey thanks man, much appreciated... We'll the advantages (in theory) are as follows: 1. Trem allows for extreme up and down movement because it's floating and never in contact with the guitar's body. 2. The strings are locked at the bridge and at the nut so it will never go out of tune. So on a typical guitar, the string is wrapped around a tuner post, routed under a string tree, passes through a nut and at the other end is wrapped around a ball end which is typically inserted in a string through the body ferrule. So here a string can stretch at the wraps around the post, and at the wraps near the ball end, it can get pinched in the nut and / or under the string tree, all of which cause some tuning issues if not properly set up. The Floyd Rose term eliminates all of these issues. Strings are locked at the nut, and also at the saddle and the ball ends are cut off prior to inserting into the saddle. So in Theory since there's nothing to interfere with the string's pitch between the nut and the saddle, you have a guitar that is always in tune! However for that to be the case, everything from neck relief, fret heights, action, intonation, and spring tension, need to be perfect. If not it's a nightmare! For me give me a simple Tele any day of the week and I'm happy hahaha!
@@j-man9457 thank you for taking the time to explain how the term system works. I'm fairly new to the guitar. I think I'll steer clear of this system for the time being. I enjoy your videos. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing this... after working on my first Kahler 2700 (Floyd Rose Lic) bridge on the Peavey project I can relate to the comments about the (unnecessary) complexity and design of those bridges. We worked it out in the end but it was a tussle. Give me a tele bridge anytime (ha!).
Just wanted to let you know that I watched both videos, and even though many may not "agree" on your methods, you are doing it right. The only way to fix that floyd is to dowel and re drill. Then tap in the posts with a rubber mallet or hammer (preferably). The issue is, that body is probably basswood (weaker wood), and the inserts on a floyd special are made from cheap(er) metals than an original floyd. I've done probably a hundred of these repairs over the years, especially on older guitars (Kramers and Jacksons, etc) where they used the larger wood screws instead of the inserts. They almost always fail and push forward towards the nut. Also the tension being off on the springs didn't help the issue. While I may have done things a bit differently, I know you are probably doing this for your friend, and trying to not spend money or just use what you have, which I totally understand. As long as you drill it out straight, it should be as good as new, and last for quite a while. With the shim in, your action will be better, but keep in mind, now you have to play with string height (and more tuning, especially with new strings). Tip for you, if the screws are wobbling in the inserts, wrap some tape around them to tighten them up. that will help with tuning, as well as the posts and inserts moving. Usually I would replace them, and buy the original hardened steel posts, but that will work and should last a while. You also should have enough play in that neck cavity to align the strings, if not, check to see if the nut is on straight and level with both sides of the fingerboard. I've seen these come installed uneven from the factory. If so, dowel, re drill and set it back in evenly. Best of luck, if you need any help let me know.
@@jjcollins hey thanks so much man! Much appreciated! Posts are redrilled and re inserted and all good. These have extremely fine threads and therefore have no play unlike the many Gibson TOM posts with the coarse threads that seem to rattle to no end hahaha! Yes I use plumbers tape on those and it works well. Goes in smoothly, with no play and is still thin enough that the threads slice through it so you still have metal to metal contact for the ground wire to do it's job haha! Nut is on straight. Issue was the screws holes in the body were off by a hair and also too small. Screws were threading into the body eliminating any adjustments at the neck pocket. I drilled them out and it's all good now. Perfect string alignment. Vid 3 tonight. If Intonation goes well I'll have it dialed in with super nice action! Thanks alot for the advice and for the offer for help! 🙏
@@Johnny.D most times, the body holes are too small and the screws bite into the body as well as the neck. Just drill out the body holes to a size slightly larger than the diameter of the screw and then you'll have adjustment options to line up the 2 E strings
@j-man9457 Yes, as a guitar builder, I am aware of the issues. I always make my body holes the overall size of the thread the screw clears the Dia. When the pocket is designed and routed correctly, there is zero side play. It is critical to be aligned straight with the neck from the start.
Pulling the springs off the back of a trem always reminds me of watching my dad work on old cars with drum brakes. Good memory.
@@markpell8979 hahaha absolutely!
Loved how you skewered those inserts!!😅 Really nice work, J!
@@calbrockocat8728 hahaha always a camper in the bunch! Lol
It makes me smile thinking about the amount of trem slams and dive bombs that it took to knock those inserts so far out of whack.
@@_Yep_Yep_ hahaha no kidding eh? Crazy!
The oscillating saw is one of the greatest tools ever made.
@@danrunnoft6642 I use it alot hahaha!
awwww ya "de-greenied" it lol!
comin along nicely!
Thanks, it's a little less "green" now for sure! haha
Fun stuff, Dr J.
@@Timtime67 thanks man!
Great video. After watching your last two videos Im wondering what the advantage of the trem system is on this guitar. It seems like a nightmare to use properly. Looking forward to video three.
@@BUCKNUT1919 hey thanks man, much appreciated... We'll the advantages (in theory) are as follows:
1. Trem allows for extreme up and down movement because it's floating and never in contact with the guitar's body.
2. The strings are locked at the bridge and at the nut so it will never go out of tune.
So on a typical guitar, the string is wrapped around a tuner post, routed under a string tree, passes through a nut and at the other end is wrapped around a ball end which is typically inserted in a string through the body ferrule. So here a string can stretch at the wraps around the post, and at the wraps near the ball end, it can get pinched in the nut and / or under the string tree, all of which cause some tuning issues if not properly set up. The Floyd Rose term eliminates all of these issues. Strings are locked at the nut, and also at the saddle and the ball ends are cut off prior to inserting into the saddle. So in Theory since there's nothing to interfere with the string's pitch between the nut and the saddle, you have a guitar that is always in tune!
However for that to be the case, everything from neck relief, fret heights, action, intonation, and spring tension, need to be perfect. If not it's a nightmare!
For me give me a simple Tele any day of the week and I'm happy hahaha!
@@j-man9457 thank you for taking the time to explain how the term system works. I'm fairly new to the guitar. I think I'll steer clear of this system for the time being. I enjoy your videos. Thank you.
@Yougotadollar hey No problem! Yeah I'm not a trem fan myself! I prefer hard tail bridges
Thanks for sharing this... after working on my first Kahler 2700 (Floyd Rose Lic) bridge on the Peavey project I can relate to the comments about the (unnecessary) complexity and design of those bridges. We worked it out in the end but it was a tussle. Give me a tele bridge anytime (ha!).
@@TedTalksGuitars preach! Hahaha
@@j-man9457 I knew you would agree (ha).
Lol im soo happy
You have no idea how much I learned from this... i guess your coming with me next time inget a guitar..
@@PeterMacfadyen-k5d haha! Glad to help buddy!
Just wanted to let you know that I watched both videos, and even though many may not "agree" on your methods, you are doing it right. The only way to fix that floyd is to dowel and re drill. Then tap in the posts with a rubber mallet or hammer (preferably). The issue is, that body is probably basswood (weaker wood), and the inserts on a floyd special are made from cheap(er) metals than an original floyd. I've done probably a hundred of these repairs over the years, especially on older guitars (Kramers and Jacksons, etc) where they used the larger wood screws instead of the inserts. They almost always fail and push forward towards the nut. Also the tension being off on the springs didn't help the issue. While I may have done things a bit differently, I know you are probably doing this for your friend, and trying to not spend money or just use what you have, which I totally understand. As long as you drill it out straight, it should be as good as new, and last for quite a while. With the shim in, your action will be better, but keep in mind, now you have to play with string height (and more tuning, especially with new strings). Tip for you, if the screws are wobbling in the inserts, wrap some tape around them to tighten them up. that will help with tuning, as well as the posts and inserts moving. Usually I would replace them, and buy the original hardened steel posts, but that will work and should last a while. You also should have enough play in that neck cavity to align the strings, if not, check to see if the nut is on straight and level with both sides of the fingerboard. I've seen these come installed uneven from the factory. If so, dowel, re drill and set it back in evenly. Best of luck, if you need any help let me know.
@@jjcollins hey thanks so much man! Much appreciated! Posts are redrilled and re inserted and all good. These have extremely fine threads and therefore have no play unlike the many Gibson TOM posts with the coarse threads that seem to rattle to no end hahaha! Yes I use plumbers tape on those and it works well. Goes in smoothly, with no play and is still thin enough that the threads slice through it so you still have metal to metal contact for the ground wire to do it's job haha! Nut is on straight. Issue was the screws holes in the body were off by a hair and also too small. Screws were threading into the body eliminating any adjustments at the neck pocket. I drilled them out and it's all good now. Perfect string alignment.
Vid 3 tonight. If Intonation goes well I'll have it dialed in with super nice action!
Thanks alot for the advice and for the offer for help!
🙏
@@j-man9457 awesome! Great to hear! I hope the rest goes well and will look out for part 3.
@jjcollins thanks fingers crossed 🤞
Credit card shims rocks!
Thanks worked really well!
Im new to guitar.
@@BUCKNUT1919 welcome! We're all learning!
I sold my 1999 fender player deluxe because of that string alignment issue. Except mine was the high E that was falling off the board.
@@Johnny.D most times, the body holes are too small and the screws bite into the body as well as the neck. Just drill out the body holes to a size slightly larger than the diameter of the screw and then you'll have adjustment options to line up the 2 E strings
@j-man9457 Yes, as a guitar builder, I am aware of the issues. I always make my body holes the overall size of the thread the screw clears the Dia.
When the pocket is designed and routed correctly, there is zero side play. It is critical to be aligned straight with the neck from the start.
The dowels need to be larger than your bushing otherwise you’re just drilling out the dowel and back where you started. 😊
@@dbrown6451 yup of course dowel was 10.1 mm, insert was 9.9mm 👍
@ 1mm of wood is like 0
@dbrown6451 maybe so but pounding that dowel in there was so tight I was worried I was gonna crack something. It's good and solid 👍😃
Alright...part 2 already!
It's up!
While your at it, can you reshape the body to look more like a proper guitar, say...a Telecaster shape? 😂
@@ItsaCatsLife now your speaking my language! Haha
😂 im crying 😢 lol
@PeterMacfadyen-k5d 🤘😃
Nice
I hate the shape of those guitars.
Turn it into a traditional Tele!!! 😂😆😁🙋♂️
@@Vern859 hahaha that's 2 votes for a tele conversion 😃
Yah I'll.be wild... I'll be paying him with a new amp
Always disliked the Floyd rose/kahler trems…. Watch for locking nut at “g” string. Typically would wear and almost always slipped.
@@joereddy3146 gonna be meticulous on this one buddy! 🤘
I have an amp for you
@@PeterMacfadyen-k5d keep your amp man! Haha we're good buddy!