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- Miss South Africa finalist Chidimma Adetshina has been facing a lot of xenophobic comments about her, and many wanting her to not participate in the competition.
Pretoria Girls High School may be suspended some white pupils due to alleged racist comments said on a WhatsApp group.
I have a Hauser Nigerian girlfriend from Kano as a South we both agree this girl should not be in this pageant. Nigerians wouldn't like this done to them.
I agree with you. This reminds me of the controversy surrounding the first Miss Japan, who was not fully Japanese. She was half black and got heaps of abuse and negative reactions from Japanese people. From a Japanese perspective this woman does not represent what a Japanese woman looks like. To most Japanese she looked fully black, despite having one Japanese parent. Now, this case is actually worse, because the contestant in question has no ties to South African ethnic groups. So, she should not be representing SA.
Nigerians are very particular themselves about 'who' is Nigerian. If a South African/Ghanaian child born and raised in Lagos were to enter Miss Nigeria, they wouldn't entertain it for a minute. They didn't want to accept a half-Nigerian girl in their own contest - someone with actual Nigerian blood. By the way, the FBI has a division that deals only with Nigerian criminality. The notion that SA is particularly xenophobic is gaslighting, Nigerians are known for their behaviour inside and outside Nigeria. Also, we shouldn't allow ourselves to be gaslighted for enforcing our laws. They also enforce their own laws without fear or favour. If you overstay your visa in Zimbabwe, you will be deported. It's gaslighting to call SA xenophobic, worse coming from people in countries where they don't even respect or recognise their own fellow citizens of different ethnicities. As SAns we need to restore order and those coming from outside must respect our country and its laws. Also, why come in the numbers to a country you believe to be xenophobic. Stay home. Great analysis, refreshing to hear someone not just regurgitating popular sentiment.
@@MsWaters Exactly, I couldn't have said it better myself.
You lie
You are so wrong. Nigerians are the most welcoming people on Earth. We treat our guests with love period. If any foreigner is born in Nigeria, he or she automatically becomes a citizen of Nigeria. Know this and know peace…
President MBeki said its suprising to hear from our African brothers calling us xenophobic,he agreed that there are Nigerians doing criminality in our country selling and prostitution but fixing your country doesn't make xenophobic but patriot.They make us look like we chase anybody whos foreign at time they are cruising dont even think of going back home😂😂😂
@moham.279 You are living I naija world we see.This is the world.Nigerians toke down the Italian mafia only to become the mafia.Please just because you are not doing it doesn't mean much.Relax your people are busy.
To add. We have so many Ghana 🇬🇭 people staying here and we don’t have a problem with them because they came here to work and they don’t have any negative stuff going on. We are not Xenophobic.
@@kevinandilemediahouse I agree.
Obviously we’ll have some people who dislike Ghanaians… but not most of us
They need to go home , this is not their country
Ghanaians are different, they can coexist with people peacefully wherever they go, it's like they are not neighbours to Nigeria
So Ghanaians can drive taxi and run spaza? It's only an issue when it's Zimbabweans?. But you do know white employers like Zimbabweans. Lol
It's because they can exploit them @@Accuface2000
You are so right, 100%, you won't here an analysis like this on main stream media... South Africans are not Xenophobic, its just certain countries like Nigeria & Zimbabwe that have unfortunately created a bad name for themselves in South Africa, but we don't generally hate them, but at the same time I do believe that there are a few xenophobic South Africans that are making it look like all South Africans are xenophobic.
@@champagnedanie We need to be open and honest with these discussions.
I’ve never heard a South Afrikan speaking negatively of an Egyptian or someone from Botswana…
So you will tarnish a country because of the antics of few criminal minded elements. With the crimes that goes on in South Africa so should all South African be classed as carjackers and murderers. South Africans are classed as xenophobic and everyone is up in arms yet you are quick to label others. What about the people who enslaved you for years?
Which name did they create for themselves?your mouth smells
Yes South Africans are not Xenophobic. South Africans are Afrophobic and self hating. Deep down you know it. Why focus on Chidinma, when a real foreigner Helen Zille is running South Africa? Why hasn’t she faced the same scrutiny?
@@pensonmlotshwai personally don't know any Egyptian but we know North Africans are not that fond about black Africans. Remember when Moroccans said they don't identify as Africans?
Miss SA should unequivocally represent SA. Her Nigerian-ness has to be subordinate to her SAness as she represents SA. If she can't do that then she shouldn't be in contention to become miss SA.
There is a Chinese woman also competing or was there before she was eliminated where was this energy for her?
@@Shadow_Blazer God bless you!
@@ndidiamakacordi2953 thank you these people are only like this to black people so it's okay for other races to be called South African but if you are from other African countries that don't speak any of the official black tongues you must leave
@@Shadow_Blazer It's unfortunate that we Africans have inferiority complex, hence we value other races more than ourselves.
@@Shadow_Blazer if i was aware of it, I'd have kept the same energy. Best believe!
We’ve been too nice for too long. It’s time to put South Africa first! When South Africans get patriotic we’re called names and they can continue we need to be louder than ever in defending our country.
Being Xenophobic is not being Patriotic... There is a difference. You can be Patriotic and not Xenophobic at the same time.
@@ongezwa_siyamthanda good ongie nathanda gqithi ukubhadla,bakhale ngale naleya eMzansi babe xa uye kumazwe wabo bengo sathana.bacinga asizazi ezinto,bathi I Africa mayimanyane batsho xa belapha qha.
@@champagnedanie Thanks for saying nothing 🤣🤣
@@siyathembasiazmatshaya7074 Ku kwazenzele tana kule yethu i country and I think they can see now we are not phased by being called xenophobic anymore.
Yes ---- "our country" that is full of hate and resentment ---- no more pride and honour --- all due to a government that is directly responsible for the demise and decay
As a person who travel alot from country to country i can attest that south Africa is one of the most diverse country in Africa,it's funny how when South Africans raise their concern they are called xenophobic 😂😂yerrr this people are tripping.
Generally, SAns are very open and welcoming to anyone visiting the country, if anyone doubts this they need to spend some time visiting townships and see the number of foreign nationals living FREELY amongst locals. I suspect that the majority of these people calling us xenophobic have never set foot on SA soil and have no actual experience with SAns except via TV and socials, and we can't judge people of any country based on what we've seen on social networks as they are not a true reflection of reality.
People chose to be South African when it is convenient for them and are not when it's not.
Iam ethiopian nd I love south Africans from bottom my heart nd I always wish them best in everything they do.we africans while have many things in common we are divided thus why we are in losing side
We not Xenophobic we just starting to apply our law and order!
You only start applying law and order when it suits you. Selective outrage!
@@Pitbull3342 oh yes Pitty that's why we have a GNU now. We will fix our country
You didn't miss in this video, spot on. I love how you speak ,elaborate and argue. Even when other countries see this video, they will have a good summary and genral context of what South Africa is and how we think. 🇿🇦
We have right to speak as south African citezens, we are concern citizens no xenophobia we must stand for our nation
Don't mind them, we are Xenophobic, and Europeans who don't want illegal foreigners are far-right😂😂😂😂
Fifi, but you have the right to speak and that doesn't mean counter arguments aren't coming your way.she has had death threats. SA is going to fumble the bag . she has the LOOK that is marketable for that specific pageant . self hatred is the saddest feature of Black people.
The funny thing is that other African want to unite here in SA but when it comes to their country they react differently.😂😂😂 mina i don't care they can call us xenophobic 👍
Indeed my sister,I really dnt know why in our country we are a very easy nation and go try in Somalia,Eritrea,Ghana.
Which African country have you been to?
Call it what you want we all know that its xenophobia.
If we dig deep enough Noone will be southafrican mos.
Even Mr Penson ,we don't even have to dig too deep i think his grandparent is Indian if am not mistaken.
Its just hate because that girl is beautiful (Kerry Hilson)😂
@@stantheman5522 i guess she does not need to go to any country just as me,we are proudly South africans,we were born,raised and will die in South Africa.Why are you asking?
Your comment makes us look stupid as South Africans.
We really need education like seriously
@@siyathembasiazmatshaya7074 born and raised? Like Chedima?
Well am asking coz she speaks of places she has never been to and assumes that they are also xenophobic.
You can be proud of who you are without bieng xenophobic.
In 20 years your child will be bringing a Malawian or a Gabonian as her husband.
Wake up my people its happening you won't be able to stop it unless you want to exterminate people like Hitler.
He was xenophobic and racist and antisemitic.
It's the same rhetoric ,hate and attitude that led to millions of people bieng killed
As a South African who has lived in 2 European countries and has dual citizenship, the story of Chidimma made me feel sad and sorry for 1st Generation Nigerians living in SA. Yes, it's no secret that there are dubious Nigerians around the world, but do people really have to die for the sins of their fathers (Countries)? What if the father was a deadbeat dad, and just rocked up because of her fame. When SA announced the Omnicron virus, I was a scapegoat in the West, when SA took Knesset to the ICJ I was made to feel it emotionally😢😥
You are a typical middle class South African living abroad. You entered a foreign country legally, and followed a rule of law. The problem we have in South Africa is that many of the Africans from other countries come here illegally. Once here they engage in in criminal activity, such as drug dealing, human trafficking, identity theft etc.. Nigerians are the worst offenders. Also, Africans perpetuate the narrative that we black South Africans are all lazy, and wait around for handouts. Truth is.. we are just not geared to survival peddling of trivial goods on the street the way Africans are. In SA, we have more of an industrial/ western type economy, whereby most people are geared to working for companies and corporations. The other Africans think we just don't like to work period. Which is part of the disconnect between us.
Indian South Africans always celebrate & practice their culture & they are accepted as full citizens.
So being proud of your heritage is not a crime - It's Not About Citizenship, it is About Self-hate
Indian South Africans yes, but there are not Nigerian South Africans...theres no such rubbish
@@thabangtladi8057 YOU MEAN AFRICANS
@@thabangtladi8057 That is what these naysayers don't get. The whites, Indians and Coloureds are South African, with roots going back generations. The Nigerians like her are not.
Botswana Lesotho Swaziland is our blood our people
Don't forget Mozambique also
We may relate to them some how, but they represent their countries, South Africa doesn't include those countries when coming to Miss South Africa.
If that's case you must also had Zimbabwe there just as much as neighbor to sa than Botswana.
No we are not xenophobic bru please ask the mother to come forward to explain and lets move forward
And the fact that some of our sisters have said very bad things about us SA men and saying nigerian men are better has also contributed to this. People act surprised and we all know that there's tension between South Africans and Nigerians.
Your analysis is 💯.
@@LesitsaKhoabane Some of our sisters break us all the time, it’s so sad… yes, we need to step up as SA men… but we’re trying!
There’s A LOT of tension between us and Nigerians… yet we act like there isn’t.
You are spot on!!!
Askies, South African lady here
Siyanithanda.Sobathakazela kanjani laba 😂
@@proudlysa774😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, nothi Oga, Abuja, 😂😂😂😂😂😂
So true
Have you noticed that Nigerian ladies hardly date SA men but SA ladies don't mind dating Nigerian men, how are South Africans xeno?
Citizenship law falls under 2 categories: Jus Soli/Rule of Land and Jus Sanguinis/Rule of Blood. A country like the USA has Jus Soli, meaning that if you are born there you are a citizen. The majority of the world applies Jus Sanguinis, meaning that you are the nationality of your parents. If you are born in China of SA parentage, you are South African not Chinese, nor do you automatically qualify for Chinese citizenship. It comes with conditions that have to be met.
In Africa, only 4 or possibly 5 countries apply Jus Soli: Mozambique, Namibia, Tanzania, Chad, and possibly Lesotho. If you are born of foreign parentage in those countries, you are considered a citizen. The rest of Africa, including Nigeria, apply Jus Sanguinis, meaning you do not automatically qualify for citizenship.
In the Jus Sanguinis nations, when a child is born, you receive a Certificate of Notice. The foreign parent takes that document to their embassy or they travel back home, and then apply for the relevant citizenship documents from their countries. It is not the duty of a particular country to issue national documents of another country. The SA parent Notice of Birth certificate has an SA ID number, issued at birth for the child to claim at age 16.
I'm saying all this to explain that if Chiddimma has SA citizenship, she must have gotten through a parent who was naturalised in SA. Most likely her mother would have obtain SA citizenship through a process of naturalisation. She wouldn't have gained the citizenship merely by birth in SA.
But at the time that she was born the law still allowed for children born here to have citizenship
In essence...she's not south african in that sense that the SAns want their Ms SA to be.
True. My child was born in England but only his dad's Irish African that's how he got his instant citizenship b4 brexit cut OFF. He has South African citizenship because I'm born n bred south african. Cultural heritage is important so he will always represent S.A. no other country no matter where he ends up growing up.
@@retr0zo0m57did you read the explanation. SA is a rule of the blood country, the child gains the citizenship of the parent, not the birth nation.
@MochaFluere Yes, today it is but that law was only implemented sometime in the 2010s, i don't remember which year exaxtly. So at the time that she was born she would still qualify for citizenship due to being born in SA
True fact they have made us think negatively of them as most countries don't like Nigerians but when South Africans voice out their concerns we are seen as xenophobic. But then they are oppressing our right to voice our concerns. That's the only concern I have Miss South Africa could not fly the South African Flag but chose to fly other countries' flags so what happens when she wins but any way she has rights as well I mean she is from here by the way.
Everywhere they are not wanted. They are full of trouble, most of them with their annoying arrogance.
Some Nigerians are fools Coming to someone s country and start acting arrogant 😔😔😔😔
I live in Denmark and they not wanted here too
@@philizeed8938 But that's because of the lasting impression they have left us with of drugs and illegal activities.
@@Questioning4uyou are a 🤡🤡
South africans are patriots. Let them check the paperwork at home affairs. Father cant meet mother in 2010 and give birth to a 23 year old. What in the Time Machine shit is going on? Aybo. Nigeria is obsessed with us. Abasiyeke.
I heard the girl's father saying that he came into SA in 2010 via vist visa. Then he married the mother. He mentioned that they were not having kids. Now how their girl is 23?
This issue got many unanswered questions. Home Affairs should investigate.
I listened to his interview as well. If they had no children in 2010, where does she come from at 23. There must be an investigation
@@michellebowes7650she says that's not her father
There were no law in those days but not Law is existing in order to Govern the people.
We need law to Govern our Country otherwise it's going to be a chaos.
No one hates this young beautiful girl hence we need to apply law of South Africa.
Uphi unina bo owakwabani, baphi omalume who negotiated lobolo nobaba ka Chi.....maybe ke omakhelwane base Soweto or her alma maters or teachers or at which hospital was she born in.....am sure such is an easy find considering such was verified for Thabo Bester, abavele abantu kungaze konakale bo😮😮😮😮 South Africans have no ounce of xenophobia in them, its just the 2 countries that lacks ubuntu that they despise
Ngiyakuzwa mina
💯 FACTS
There is a larger issue here that everyone seems to be ignoring and South Africans are not really saying, maybe because they just don't know how to. Personally, as a South African, I don't have any issues with the half Nigerian lady representing South Africa, especially if she loves the country and she is a legal citizen. That is my personal view. At the same time, I think it is disingenuous to paint South Africans as xenophobic. South Africa is full of immigrants from all across the African continent. Some of them have been in the country for many years and have become quite successful, often at the expense of South Africans. The question is if South Africans are so xenophobic, why would all of these foreign nationals even be in the country in the first place? The larger issue that everyone seems to be ignoring is the rivalry between South Africa and Nigeria. That definitely is the biggest factor, and it seems to be quite bitter. It also goes much deeper than I actually realized. I don't think that Chidimma would have been responded to that way if one of her parents were from any other African nation instead of Nigeria. It's not that South Africans are necessarily xenophobic, as much as it is the fact that the rivalry between the 2 countries is deep. Consider how Nigerians responded toward Tyla when she won the Grammy award. All over the internet she was called all kinds of derogatory names while her Africaness was denied. Some even said that the whole of Africa should boycott the Grammies for giving the award to Tyla instead of to a Nigerian. Consider the continued hate they spew out toward Tyla every time she makes a move. Read the hateful comments from Nigerians every time she just randomly posts something on her social media accounts. These things create resentment in the hearts of South Africans who love Tyla so much that they would gladly go to war over her. Hardly a day ever goes by when Nigerians are not declaring their country as the "giant of Africa." South Africans don't actually care about being known as the giant of Africa. Because of this rivalry the attitude of South Africans only seems to be that Nigeria can have that title as long as they stay with it over there in West Africa, as far away from them as possible. Consider how South Africans would feel if Chidimma wins and becomes miss SA today, and Nigerians claim her tomorrow and use the fact that her father is Nigerian as some kind of a flex against South Africans. Would that not make an already bitter rivalry much worse?
There's no rivalry between South Africa and Nigeria. It's simply a hate exchange. South Africans hate Nigerians because a lot of them in SA have taken to a life of crime. Nigerians on the other hand hate South Africans because whenever the opportunity rears it's head, they attack and kill Nigerians.
Also, you say South Africans aren't xenophobic and then go on to contradict that very statement by saying that your country men have a problem with the girl because of her Nigerian side of the family. Is that not xenophobia?
Great points. You see the big picture, and clearly see the potential fallout if she wins. Knowing Nigerians, it will be some sort of flex against black South Africans. See it coming a mile away.
The winner of Miss SA 2023 has a surname Joubert which is not really South African, just like Chidima.
My question is: Is it fair to subject this lady to all this scrutiny because of our hatred for bad Nigerians? What has she done to deserve this?
Should we then start questioning the nationality of people who we think come from countries we dislike?
Like put yourself in her position. She's just doing her thing man. Hasn't trashed SA in any way.
Why must this happen to her and not Miss Joubert?
not only that look at the names . not a single one of the girls below caught the amount of hell aa Black girl did. and none of those broads have african origin. South african Nyggas would rather be Bulldoze a Black person ( self hatred ) because they know good and well if they so much as touch a lock of hair of the girls below . the Gov will lay the smackdown. Self hatred is crazy to me. And Penson is out here trying to moralize self hatred. I am telling y'all al Belungu and chinese and what have you must be eating pop corn and drink soda while folk wonder how to make that poor Black girl disappear.
Look at the name y'all.
Layla Zoubair
Mia Le Roux
Taahira Katz
Nolene Spinks
Reinette Potgieter
Kirsten Khan
This is the best analysis ever. No insults or condescending elements towards other people. I think some South Africans can't express themselves properly why they 'hate' some African foreigners. It's not hatred but fear of competition. I can't blame them.
1st time seeing your vid, like. Off topic-R u related to penuel from @thepenuelshow podcast?
Thanks Pens for clarity on this sensitive issue...
i am a Jamaican and wath i see going an in south Africa i will never come dear dem don't love they blackness so sad😢😢😢😮
Someone with some sense🙌🙌🙌 finally!
Within the South African context, why is it that amongst black people there is a consensus that white people are generally racist toward black people; however, we struggle to accept the possibility that black people might be xenophobic toward black Africans? Just a question.
In our present times, what makes some white people racist? Is it the names they call black people behind closed doors or sometimes out in the open? Is it their exclusion of black people in favor of their own? Is it any violent or ill- treatment toward black people? When you interrogate the behavior of some black South Africans towards other black Africans, you’ll often find these similar traits - Just thinking out load...🤷🏾♂. I agree though we need mutual respect for one another and at the very least a tolerance for each other.
Many countries allow dual citizenship, nothing wrong with this. However, you can only be a permanent resident in ONE country, not TWO..!!
@@estelledossantos5661 I understand that…
My question comes in if/when the two countries go to war against each other… where are your loyalties? Who are you obligated to fight for?
Ukraine forced all men to stay and fight.
What happened to those who have dual citizenship of both Ukraine and Russia?
@pensonmlotshwa Hi, I don't think most people would be obliged to fight for any side really. For example, if you born in Portugal & you immigrate to SA and then SA has a war with Portugal. So you have dual citizenship, BUT you are permanent resident in SA. Portugal knows you don't live there so they not gonna bother asking you for anything. Dual citizenship is more like you don't lose your birthright citizenship, but you will only really be a full part of your birth country again IF you return there. Then you will again become a permanent resident of your birth country and you may resume certain obligations, including paying tax, or if you are young still you might want to join the military...(it is a bit complicated..🙂) I like your channel..🤎
@@pensonmlotshwa the state or the country makes a choice for you depending on your residency.
My personal example. I am dual citizen French and German ( yes i am mixed race too ).
I did not want to complete the military service in Germany after school because i knew in france it was no longer a thing.i took the first flight to Lyon . But the german gov located me and sent me a letter summoning me to Bavaria because i had lived there from early teens to late teens. I had to drag my butt back to Germany or face prison. so if germany had been at war i i would have fought for Germany whether i like it or not.
Eish, and it's so boring this phobia thing. Some of the BEST conversations I have had has been with non-SA ladies while getting my hair done. So you're right Penson, it really is about what we benefit and when we don't feel economically threatened.
💯 on the colourism of South Africans. It's not only South Africans that are colourists. Anywhere that's the case.
Glad u r saying we pick and choose but we r Xenophobic non the less. We r okay to be opressed by indians Chinese and whites but make noise about fellow blacks . hayi suka. Being selective doesnt make us less xeno. But now with the dual citizenship, is that her problem or OUR problem as home affairs. Kumele silwe the right entity. We cant fight the girl fight the system
Exactly what I'm also saying. He made some points that don't sound good at all. If people from another country were known to be rapists and killers, I wouldn't see every one of them as a rapist and killer. I wouldn't judge someone on whatever stereotype their country is known for. I'd get to know them first and then understand if they're any different from the image their compatriots have made for their nation.
Facts bro
DANKO!!!
To me it’s very clear… actions speak very clearly.
I am watching the actions.
Spot on. no South African hates an an African because they are from another african country. we do not even have that word in Isixhosa or Isizulu or any other Nguni Language in South Africa. its Dissapointing that when ever South Africa defends the country somehow we are seen as "xenophobic"..plus we cannot reduce being SOUTH AFRICAN to just having a piece of paper hayi no its more than that.
Even if we were xenophobic it's still fine because this is our country. We choose what we want
From my 4 years of experience living in South Africa as a black immigrant , there’s a lot of Xenophobia specifically Afrophobia and Classism. If you’re from a wealthy country e.g America and the UK, South Africans will be very welcoming whether you’re there legally/illegally(lots of them overstay their VISAs). But if you’re from a third world country and you’re Black, you will face an insane level of prejudice and you will feel it. You will be treated like you’re not even human by black 🇿🇦 most of the time 🤷♂️
Anyone overstaying their visa should be deported, regardless of nationality. That's how it works everywhere else, I'm sure even in your home country. Unfortunately many Africans leave their countries with the intention to overstay in foreign lands and when citizens have a problem with it, the same Africans cry foul. At some point, African people also need to live with accountability. You can't always point fingers at those who have a legitimate cause for concern and claim to protect their country. It's happening in the UK, US, all over Europe. You are well aware that in terms of numbers, there are more Africans flocking to SA than Europeans. Africans are competing with South Africans for limited resources, which is why the conflict happens. This will be the same in your country if the reverse happened. We have seen it with Ghana and Nigeria, as an example. Accountability is key here and many Africans don't want to be held accountable and feel entitled to do as they please - something they will not do in their own countries by the way.
@@sunnymacksoverhere Ja neh, accountability is the missing ingredient.
Surely you understand why? Contrary to what most think, SA has a large number of unemployed,low skilled, low educated people who have been displaced from the job market by migrants most of whom are undocumented. It's the same reason why Americans complain about. That is the issue.
Your friends from 3rd world sell drugs, force women into prostitution
@@Peachcobler22 yaa but people must get skilled ,its easy to get a skill if u are not lazy.
Its easy to make a decent living in Sa if you become good at anything and u are willing to work hard
thank you for your honest opinion and engagement mchana
South Africans are being PATRIOTIC❤ PEOPLE MUST 📌 GO BACK TO THEIR SETTLEMENTS AND FIX THEIR SETTLEMENTS. AND NOT COME AND HAVE IT EASY ON OTHER PEOPLES SWEAT🇳🇦
Fact100%you said it right..salute
South Africa has a history of racial and ethnic divisions that can manifest in xenophobic sentiments. The legacy of apartheid has left deep-seated issues regarding identity, belonging, and social stratification. What amazes me about this issue is south Africa has got many sports personalities that were born from parents of different nationalities or permanent resident holders. From Zimbabwe under rugby we have Tendai Mutawarira, Jamba Ulengo, Harry Vermaas, Schalk Burger, Springbok. Surfing
We haveGrant Baker, winner of the Mavericks Big Wave contest in California
Chris Bertish, 2009 Mavericks Big Wave Surf winner,Sean Holmes, 2000 Red Bull Big Wave Africa winner.Why this lady is raising so much attention because shes born of Nigerian father.
Other nations are fighting for big things,but u are fighting for this young miss,imagine??it shows yr level of life
You are dumb! S.A is not missing on big things either. Just win after win on big things.
S.A logic : "All people with ties with any other country should not be allowed to enter the contest. Black, white, coloured, Indian and Chinese but mostly black. If you have a German great grandfather it's a no, if u are Tshwana, Sotho, Swati you have ties to other countries."
We have good Nigerians we live with and with no clashes.
Even Nigerian TH-camrs living in South Africa agree with your statement in their channels and have learned what caused Xenophobia.
What happend to humanity
Good analysis
@@TheIrieman15 Thank you 🙏🏽
It isn't about foreigners. Only South african are divided amongst themselves. Blacks call white names, white call Black's names. Zulu call Xhosa names Xhosa call Zulu name and do on
Please look at home affairs minister report for today about her . miss S.A.
Leave south africa alone pls represent ur country plssssss
I agree with most of what you said but IMO there is nothing wrong with dual citizenship, it cant be held against someone that they have parents from different countries. It is just their privilege that they born with just like some pple are born rich and some are born poor, some are born tall and some short. We dont take riches from those that are born rich so similarly, we cant take away dual nationality from those born with it, its theirs, they are born that way. Your child has heritage of both parents whether we like it or not. So on dual nationality, it is what it is. Even if the 2 countries go to war, it doesnt change the fact that child has dual nationality. If you and your wife fight fight, child remains a child of both parents and doesnt become child of 1 parent so your point of being loyal to one country, i dont quite agree with that.
Why do you want to have 2 citizenship? You not loyal or patriotic to one.
May just b mumy first real emotional comment here; Ive been dating a severely dark lady the past few years, and I find your comment if looking down on other Africans because _that are not as light_ perplexing..
As an Afrikaner.
Just because all these prerequisites *must* be mentioned, I lost myself to a girl
A girl from Zim, and I did not at one time think: what pigment is her skin, and what tone..
I still have feelings for this lady, she is African, and I am Afrikaans
Trevor Noah got that Swiss neutrality baby🤣😂
Well said.Thank you my Brother.
Respect this however growing up in SA as a Nigerian there were always negative stereotypes thrown my way. I must say I completely understand there are Nigerians doing all sorts of illegal sketchy shit. But there are Nigerians also contributing to society and just living their lives. These people should not be attacked. Growing up in SA being Nigerian taught me we could actually exchange so much value to each other instead we decide to follow colonial mentality and be divided.
I hope you recognise that it's not a South African thing, but a global stereotype. When I travelled to NY a while back, all the Nigerians were asked to step aside and they were dealt with separately from everyone else. As Nigerians you need to have an internal conversation about how you represent yourselves to the world. Let the good Nigerians stand up. The world can't do that for you, and you can't keep blaming others for what are essentially Nigerian failures. As South Africans, we have our own failures but we are not afraid to address them or blame others for what we do wrong. Also, it's not a colonial mindset. There is proof worldwide of Nigerian wrongdoing, which creates the stereotypes about Nigerians. It can be backed up by arrests made, deportation figures, etc. around the world. SA did not create the stereotypes about Nigeria and Nigerians.
You need to introspect and also have honest conversations with your fellow people about why they are undesirables. Also when SA have genuine grievances and call your brothers out and are labelled xeno, people like you need to speak up and explain.
@@daiTiedai271Well said👏👏👏
@@Peachcobler22Well said 👏👍👌
If you go to Dubai you'll probably be treated worse as a Nigerian they were chasing Nigerians not so long ago and banning them from flying to Dubai. Nigerians have a bad reputation globally is not a south African thing
So South Africans aren't xenophobic, they just pic and choose when to be. Got it. 👍
Yes. We keep telling you we hate shitty people from certain countries
Finally, someone that tells it like it is 🎉
No one is talking bad about Zimbabwe for not wanting Zodwa Wabantu or Somizi cause they have a right to make their own rules. Infact, we are not saying anything about the whole African continent hating on gays cause it's their right but they aren quick to call us names.
Very true
Dual Citizenship is no longer available in South Africa. Motsoaledi changed things, no citizenship for babies born in SA from parents who r not South Africa.
Different perspective from my own thoughts, but well explained, these are types of conversation we should have in the basis of analysis, not hate speech and violence
Countries south Africa doesn't like are Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Somalia, Ghana , Pakistan. This girl is not culturally south African, and not politically south African.
One amendment here mate. I don't think we have an issue with Ghanaians. Most Ghanaians I have met are cool and down to earth people. Not involved in scamming, crime, drug dealing, human trafficking etc.. like their Nigerian neighbors. One thing to be aware of, quite often Nigerians literally pretend to be Ghanaians, due to the rep for crime & wrong doing that Nigerians have all over the world. Even weird out of the way places like Iceland and Fiji.😂😂
Her Father said she has dual citizenship
its not about documents but its about nationality
He made that up too. No dual citizenship without being a citizen in the first place!
Without Patriotism this country is finished. Foreigners are dividing South Africans who where suffering together under apartheid. Where was this influx of Nigerians, Zimbabweans, Somalians, Pakistanis and foreigners when we were suffering, eating green leaves morning till sunset and traveling long distance to school without shoes. Now we have to enjoy our democracy then they come claiming to support us during apartheid. I don't know any single foreigner who was killed fighting for South Africans during apartheid but they say we owe them for supporting. This country does not belong to ANC, EFF and DA.
Dual citizen have family on both sides, should they choose their family based on their citizenship?
But she was raising Nigerian and Mozambiquen flag on her Instagram photos
Xenophobia exist in South Africa. However it's not everyone who is xenophobic. Burning another human being alive is the worst thing I have seen in my life. Even elderly woman with a womb, and children were watching when a foreigner was doused with fuel and burnt alive.
Ngiyajubula ukukbona abant abasasePatriotic to our country, not this old celebs and politicians who sold us out! ✊
Preach brother preach 👏👏
I would say the problem is our strained relationship with our Nigerian brothers
Mlotshwa people are just selective in this issue it's al' about self-hate. We used to have English soccer teams coming to play in South Africa with local teams and one thing we saw is that lots of coloureds, whites and Indians were supporting and were wearing the full regaria of those English teams not local teams and they will tell you it's bcoz of my mixed heritage or mixed origins.
Bro people fail to understand that some south africans are protective of their country given where we come from as a country, plus it's human nature to feel resentment towards someone that I'm not comfortable with his presence. You guys are not money not everyone will love you. Hate and love will always exist no matter what think or feel , if you can hate a family members what can stop one from hating a foreigner . It's life finish and klaar, you love them keep your lane , you hate them again keep your lane amen
But why add Karabo from Generations? She's South African, come up with a better intro chief
Black South Africans hate other black Africans so much you're failing to see this girl is the same as Trevor noah she has a south African mom but because trevor's dad is from Switzerland not Nigeria hes not seen as a kwerekwere
Her father is Nigerian her mother is Mozambican. Trevor Noah speak SA languages represent SA not Scotland people know him as south African. The lady chidimma represent Nigeria and Mozambican heritage on her social media she has Nigeria and Mozambican flags she's not even proudly South African. Just like DJ Oskido he speaks SA languages he represent south Africa he proudly South African.
Udakiwe wena, these black African's are the ones hating Black South Africans, do you know how many foreign nationals are in our prisons? Do you know the type of crimes they committed? death d☠️ of South Africans, rapes?
Ungazosbhedela, go and be politically correct le kwasathane.
No hate
Your friends must behave then we won't be having this trouble
I agree with a lot of your points but the dual citizenship you’re absolutely wrong
I hear you, can we maybe consider how they treat us there country.
O8 / 07 / 24 please .
Most South Africans complain about Nigerians, Zimbabweans and Somali's
Bro, these people are not being liked in so many countries because of the same reason South Africans don’t like them for.
If you are updated you will know that the 12 girls were found not guilty by Dept. Of Education.
Did you paint your nails💅 . Ayi ja ne
😂😂😂😂i only noticed now that you mentioned it
well said thank you❤
So any foreigner who gives their baby in South Africa is a South African citizens. Complete legal nonsense. That means babies of asylun seekers, tourist, passport holders and Visa holders technically been born in south Africa assume full citizens. Its completely wrong. Only when both you parents are born or are legally South Africans that's when the baby can be given full citizens.
True. I work at a health centre & the first thing Pakistani, Bangladeshi & Zim asylum seekers do is get pregnant, give birth to a citizen & then claim citizenship due to that. They come to see Drs so they get pregnant immediately. This girls are between 18- 21. Why are they so in a rush to get pregnant? For citizenship. They even get child grants. They exploit our laws.
Bro Penson get your facts right bro don’t mislead people🤦🏽♂️. Being born in South African DOES NOT make you South African because our law does NOT Recognise birth-on-the-soil as automatic citizenship. We are NOT the USA. Get your facts right bro I thought you were informed ?
Your views are interesting and they bring me to the the Tyler issue. Where u say dual citizenship status people must choose a side. When americans mentions thisbcause thwybhave chosen a aide, to be black and not to be called colored we were up in arms fighting. And coloreds were fighting saying they r mixed and dont identify as black yet she is representing black music. We didn't understand the black americans when they said this. Indeed we choose who to fight without logic somtimes. We even assumed americans bayasidelela and not even. Those guys thought they were supporting a proud black afrucan sister till she said she is colored and they lost it and accused her of benefitting from from black culture since she isn't one . even coloreds are known to use the dual thing just like this lady to their advantage. During apartheid they were happy to associate with their whiteness now they r calling themselves natives and original south Africans through their Khoisan lineage . i am a proud black African and i am tired of seeing our black afrucans fighting the wrong people. Nisile shem all whonr here hating on this girl. If u only had more knowledge ngabe kungcono
You must know yourself that in SA there is these categories we must identify ourselves via diff forms we need to complete for employment etc. Black, white, Indian, coloured. Can you understand our confusion when now you want us to say black. Even in law we are being discriminated, then we not black.I for one refuse to live my life as a colour, I am African and proud of it. Peace to you.
Misguided. African/Black is a race and Africa is a continent. Everyone inside Africa even before colonization had their heritage, region of economic interests and leadership. It's human nature.
That was when you came from?
If you're not being affected by xenophobia, you're not in the right position to state whether SA is Xenophobic or not. Regardless of reasons you might possess. It's like a white man saying they're not racist... But are they not racist? Ask the black man
Penson I suggest you find the clip where Chidimma's dad telephonically tries to explain this - he made it worse, so worse I cant believe why we are still debating about Chidimma's citizenship. Hint, the dad came to South Africa for the first time in 2010 to watch the world cup and he had to go back to the uk bcos his visiting visa was about to expire - 2010 is only 14 years behind, Chidimma is 23yrs old, do the math brother. I be waiting.
How do you know it was the dad? Cos TH-cam says so? Did you also find the post where Chidinma said that wasn’t her dad. You people are gullible enough to believe in nonsense
She denied it was her dad & also ppl were not even listening closely to what he said. Home Affairs can clear this up. Is her mom S.African? Is Chichi born in S.Africa?
@@YT-xk5jl Of course, desperate times call for desperate measures don they? in such instances, she will do what Nigerians do best. Ignore not the nonsense, until it makes sense. I love your content, but this time I think you just missed the mark
People forgot Miss SA belong to the same category of respect and key importance as overseas ambassadors, national teams and diplomats. Today is Miss SA, tomorrow is the Presidency. We are selling and giving out citizenship to strangers who doesn't respect and like South Africans. My idea is that if both you parents are not South Africans then you cannot be given citizenship on birth. People marry for citizenship and make babies are made to circumvent the immigration and citizens laws. And also I think this issue is been put on the headline to shift attention on illegal military camp training foreigners from Libya which is more serious than Miss SA. Nonetheless our country is been disrespect by all our politicians including the EFF, DA and ANC. They really don't care about South Africans apart from getting votes from them.
soon South Africa will have a Nigerian president if things like this are allowed. SA is too soft, every time we say how we feel the media and celebrities call us names, all the ____sm's
About the skin tone, it's about being human, since it's not easy to go around people asking where are you from your skin tone speaks for you. Apart from being colorists, we judge by skin tone as to wjether to speak English or not and sometimes we just don't want to speak English and We make a judgement by your skin tone uf you local or South African.
... furthermore , with specific reference to the Miss South Africa issue, we must note that there is a difference between citizenship and permanent residence, in terms of benefits. There are processes to be gone through for one to move from one state to the other, for example; from being accidentally or deliberately born by a Somalian father and a South African mother does not automatically assign the child as a South African. From temporary residency to permanent residency, to naturalisation ,to citizenship etc; there is a thorough process to go through. It's not automatic. Let us stop using this term,"xenophobia" as a scareword to point where we have now become a lawless country because we are paralysed and afraid of being assertive in the protection of our country's interests.😂
Yes some south africans are xenophobic but i am not one of them,we are also racist , tribalist ,colourist...
You are talking nonesense .
SA had fought Mozambiqueans,Ugandans,Zimbabweans,kenyans about 15years ago.
Nigeria spent 61 billion British pounds to suppprt SA. During apartied.
Yes you absolutely are! Don’t take my word for it, Google it lol😂😂😂
Do you mean everyone from Zimbabwe, Zambia, Tanzania , Nigeria (Black Africa basically) is descrimminated against based on the colour of their skins, therefore seen as criminal. However, everyone from Europe/Asia comes with potentials, good to go? You guys can do whatever you like, but remember Africa is watching.
Well said brother ❤