In 2 years of playing PGR, I've never wondered how other people played Norman. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that removes Healing and Energy Removing abilities from bosses lol.
i would also consider the Perfect Tactical buff a way to work around the difficulty(the clearing time) of the last mine for players who cannot accomplish it, they can try fully investing in teams and get an average 7k bp, ngl this approach can be hard and takes time, but considering the decent high buff(200%DMG in the current norman) i think its worth trying. altho the main factor to clear would still be having characters with time stops at least 1-2 in each team.
Thanks for the guide! I have no Idea about Lilith's card trick until I watched this 😁. I agree, norman now is harder but fun. It took me many tries to beat the last stage.
TBH even with meta SS+ characters, I had to use battery in the last mine in order to get the perfect tactics and utilizing that boost. It's tough without that boost. Also for Primal Projection's Portal Attack, you can simply run "towards" yourself away from Primal Projection and you will avoid the attack. No dodging needed!
For some reason, I find clearing out the final part is quite challenging (which I like). But I don't like incentivizing us to reach 8000 perfect tactics point. That too much imo. 7500 would be fine or hell 7000.
Well, you only need to get an average of 7000 since the buff will give extra 1000 which is doable since you can borrow one character which is usually SSS with 7.6-8k point so your team average only need to be 6.9k. Still high but not really considering we get a lot more resource and free chara to get high BP. (SS+Sig R1 = 7.2k isn't it? With some of your chara at SS3 or R2/3 and AMP able to reach SSS for free, getting to 7.5-7.8k in some chara is doable and SSS A rank filler that reach almost 7k, getting to 8k isn't that hard To begin with the buff is not mandatory, just make it easier. I'm F2P and beat Ex6 half a year before my BP average reach the buff requirement in CN. And now I have always 1-2 minutes to spare on EX6 cuz my team is cracked
I quite surprised a lot of people use the perfect tactics since old norman i never reach the threshold even this one I don't use perfect tactics. quite interesting
@@zeromailss Come to think of it, I didn't use trial characters. lol. I do clear the past Norman as well that's why I felt it here. Will give it another go with a trial character, I currently have 7800 points and can't just reach 8000.
@@chandragon23 I never reach it in the old one as well but managed to clear everything. I'll give it another go. Maybe I need to use trial units cause some of my characters are around 6k-6.5k.
@@zeromailss Reaching 8000bp is quite interesting that i've done some testing about it, first of all it seems like the 5* wp fully resonated gives the same bp of a sig 6* wp, with that in mind the only factors that really really affect the bp are getting the characters up to ss and fully hypertune your teams to maintain the 8000bp average, SSS characters have a very higher bp buff potential, however S rank can't reach the 7k, it caps at 6.8k but this also can be balanced if the other team members have average 7.2k bp or you borrowed a trial SSS character thats +7.6k, this might help some players building their teams to achieve the 8k buff.
I fully agree with last commentator. Last room now impossible for 1 year player. Difference between 21 and 25 parts of weapon resonance is huge for f2p. A lot of new characters NEED dead line timing to work. Lamia, Wata, Qu jackpot. Kuro deleted generator slots as F2P way to clear by grind (21k bp from 3 SSS+ A-ranks for 120 extra energy was amazing and really helpful reward for 4 month shard grind). 8k bp requirement for perfect tactics is pure joke. And deleted un stages. Thankyouverymuch. Yep, now you can clear at day one. But no fun and pure unfair dps check. Better way - delete this mode entirely and add resonance shards to another mode... or buy 30 weapon banner pulls wuth euro to save good mood. With all my love for PGR... this was disappointing. Sincerely, un gameplay lover.
At least in my test the lowest investment. weapon resonance is not necessary and is still clear. it's more like they demand more Gen 2 characters with SS fully built than a weapon. I don't utilize also the 8000 buff. on average you can clear it but usually quite close like 7-10 sec left but I agree with gen 1 or A ranks it makes more tough than before
Perhaps share what you did for your runs? Even though I'm a day 1 f2p, I've managed to clear this norman without perfect tactics and without a single gen2 sig, awhile the only sigs I have are on gen1 tanks, no reso or harmonisation. I'm also playing all meta teams mostly SS0 aside from SSS no.21 tank in dark team, SSS0 capriccio and SS3 echo, full hypertune. If you're interested in my clear you can look up the Dec 11th video on my channel. Cheers.
The last boss I fought was Rosseta and it was impossible to defeat her using My Lucia CW 5k bp, only with Maximum batteries that I could defeat her. But the challenge is not completed which must use the minimum recommended battery. 😢 I'm a returning player since around the watanabe patch. Last time I played in Lucia CA patch. There is no Full max Build yet. Characters I Use, Vera Roze 5k bp, Lucia CW 5kbp, Liv Lux 4kbp, Qu Shukra 5k bp. It is still very weak.
Last stage on Norman is hell, I could clear old norman no problem but new norman can't even clear debuff stage. Do I need to meet the boy requirements to clean because I can't even clear debuff stage like am literally doing no damage with Ss Gen 2😢
Same! I hate the perfect tactics buff. It's basically telling me to either optimize my builds to some units I usually only use as buffers like. I thinkg the perfect tactics point has too high of a ceiling.
The buff stage sometimes being harder than the boss stage is indeed pain, idk why they make it that way but don't worry, Gen2 chara is so powerful that as long as you have 1 main DPS at SS+SIG+Cub on the team you will be able to clear the stage with some battery. Borrow SSS or SSS+ so 1 team stage clear is free from battery then use high battery on team without good support. Qu and Dark team have free amp and some people have SS3 Wata so at least one of your team should be highly invested so you don't need battery or only need low battery, stack the buff on the last two team and you are gold Basically highly invest one team (in my case, ice as I have SS3 Qu with SSS Ayla, Wanshi will be free so low spender can aim for SSS but I'm stopping at SS3 cuz F2P but honestly SS QU, Ayla, Wanshi is still super strong). Medium investment on 1 team (physical is ideal with balter being free many times and the support also free, ideally get Gen2 Tank but not mandatory), borrow 1 chara to solo, and one team with only 1 DPS (Lamia or Alpha can do well) can clear EX6
Glad that Gen2 and 3 is so strong and EX6 has been nerfed so even F2P can beat it now Ex6 used to be whale only so I'm happy that only PPC top 1% and WZ Legend is locked behind P2W and even then only for like 5% more reward which is insignificant. I play F2P PGR in CN for 1.5 year and I'm really happy with my account. I have meh luck but there is just so much free reward and better balancing end game for F2P/low spender that I can pretty much clear all the content and get 99% of the reward ez pz
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In 2 years of playing PGR, I've never wondered how other people played Norman. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that removes Healing and Energy Removing abilities from bosses lol.
i would also consider the Perfect Tactical buff a way to work around the difficulty(the clearing time) of the last mine for players who cannot accomplish it, they can try fully investing in teams and get an average 7k bp, ngl this approach can be hard and takes time, but considering the decent high buff(200%DMG in the current norman) i think its worth trying. altho the main factor to clear would still be having characters with time stops at least 1-2 in each team.
Thanks for the guide! I have no Idea about Lilith's card trick until I watched this 😁. I agree, norman now is harder but fun. It took me many tries to beat the last stage.
TBH even with meta SS+ characters, I had to use battery in the last mine in order to get the perfect tactics and utilizing that boost. It's tough without that boost.
Also for Primal Projection's Portal Attack, you can simply run "towards" yourself away from Primal Projection and you will avoid the attack. No dodging needed!
This is a very good guide ngl 👍
For some reason, I find clearing out the final part is quite challenging (which I like). But I don't like incentivizing us to reach 8000 perfect tactics point. That too much imo. 7500 would be fine or hell 7000.
Well, you only need to get an average of 7000 since the buff will give extra 1000 which is doable since you can borrow one character which is usually SSS with 7.6-8k point so your team average only need to be 6.9k. Still high but not really considering we get a lot more resource and free chara to get high BP. (SS+Sig R1 = 7.2k isn't it? With some of your chara at SS3 or R2/3 and AMP able to reach SSS for free, getting to 7.5-7.8k in some chara is doable and SSS A rank filler that reach almost 7k, getting to 8k isn't that hard
To begin with the buff is not mandatory, just make it easier. I'm F2P and beat Ex6 half a year before my BP average reach the buff requirement in CN. And now I have always 1-2 minutes to spare on EX6 cuz my team is cracked
I quite surprised a lot of people use the perfect tactics since old norman i never reach the threshold even this one I don't use perfect tactics. quite interesting
@@zeromailss Come to think of it, I didn't use trial characters. lol. I do clear the past Norman as well that's why I felt it here. Will give it another go with a trial character, I currently have 7800 points and can't just reach 8000.
@@chandragon23 I never reach it in the old one as well but managed to clear everything. I'll give it another go. Maybe I need to use trial units cause some of my characters are around 6k-6.5k.
@@zeromailss Reaching 8000bp is quite interesting that i've done some testing about it, first of all it seems like the 5* wp fully resonated gives the same bp of a sig 6* wp, with that in mind the only factors that really really affect the bp are getting the characters up to ss and fully hypertune your teams to maintain the 8000bp average, SSS characters have a very higher bp buff potential, however S rank can't reach the 7k, it caps at 6.8k but this also can be balanced if the other team members have average 7.2k bp or you borrowed a trial SSS character thats +7.6k, this might help some players building their teams to achieve the 8k buff.
Mother Structure and Gabriel used to be my most hated boss. and now Iron Maiden is a bit of a pain in my ass .
I fully agree with last commentator. Last room now impossible for 1 year player. Difference between 21 and 25 parts of weapon resonance is huge for f2p. A lot of new characters NEED dead line timing to work. Lamia, Wata, Qu jackpot. Kuro deleted generator slots as F2P way to clear by grind (21k bp from 3 SSS+ A-ranks for 120 extra energy was amazing and really helpful reward for 4 month shard grind). 8k bp requirement for perfect tactics is pure joke.
And deleted un stages. Thankyouverymuch. Yep, now you can clear at day one. But no fun and pure unfair dps check. Better way - delete this mode entirely and add resonance shards to another mode... or buy 30 weapon banner pulls wuth euro to save good mood.
With all my love for PGR... this was disappointing. Sincerely, un gameplay lover.
At least in my test the lowest investment. weapon resonance is not necessary and is still clear. it's more like they demand more Gen 2 characters with SS fully built than a weapon. I don't utilize also the 8000 buff. on average you can clear it but usually quite close like 7-10 sec left but I agree with gen 1 or A ranks it makes more tough than before
I uze battteries for cringe bosses and my cringe teams lol
I hate the too high perfect tactics requirement. They could've reduced it by a thousand to 7000.
Perhaps share what you did for your runs? Even though I'm a day 1 f2p, I've managed to clear this norman without perfect tactics and without a single gen2 sig, awhile the only sigs I have are on gen1 tanks, no reso or harmonisation. I'm also playing all meta teams mostly SS0 aside from SSS no.21 tank in dark team, SSS0 capriccio and SS3 echo, full hypertune.
If you're interested in my clear you can look up the Dec 11th video on my channel. Cheers.
The last boss I fought was Rosseta and it was impossible to defeat her using My Lucia CW 5k bp, only with Maximum batteries that I could defeat her. But the challenge is not completed which must use the minimum recommended battery. 😢
I'm a returning player since around the watanabe patch. Last time I played in Lucia CA patch. There is no Full max Build yet. Characters I Use, Vera Roze 5k bp, Lucia CW 5kbp, Liv Lux 4kbp, Qu Shukra 5k bp. It is still very weak.
Last stage on Norman is hell, I could clear old norman no problem but new norman can't even clear debuff stage. Do I need to meet the boy requirements to clean because I can't even clear debuff stage like am literally doing no damage with Ss Gen 2😢
Try to clear the debuff may it be easier or try to utilize the buff
Same! I hate the perfect tactics buff. It's basically telling me to either optimize my builds to some units I usually only use as buffers like. I thinkg the perfect tactics point has too high of a ceiling.
I just balance out the extra stats and barely beat the last stage without deleting enemy buffs
The buff stage sometimes being harder than the boss stage is indeed pain, idk why they make it that way but don't worry, Gen2 chara is so powerful that as long as you have 1 main DPS at SS+SIG+Cub on the team you will be able to clear the stage with some battery. Borrow SSS or SSS+ so 1 team stage clear is free from battery then use high battery on team without good support. Qu and Dark team have free amp and some people have SS3 Wata so at least one of your team should be highly invested so you don't need battery or only need low battery, stack the buff on the last two team and you are gold
Basically highly invest one team (in my case, ice as I have SS3 Qu with SSS Ayla, Wanshi will be free so low spender can aim for SSS but I'm stopping at SS3 cuz F2P but honestly SS QU, Ayla, Wanshi is still super strong). Medium investment on 1 team (physical is ideal with balter being free many times and the support also free, ideally get Gen2 Tank but not mandatory), borrow 1 chara to solo, and one team with only 1 DPS (Lamia or Alpha can do well) can clear EX6
Glad that Gen2 and 3 is so strong and EX6 has been nerfed so even F2P can beat it now
Ex6 used to be whale only so I'm happy that only PPC top 1% and WZ Legend is locked behind P2W and even then only for like 5% more reward which is insignificant. I play F2P PGR in CN for 1.5 year and I'm really happy with my account. I have meh luck but there is just so much free reward and better balancing end game for F2P/low spender that I can pretty much clear all the content and get 99% of the reward ez pz
need..."fully meta build!"
well if u wonder what lilith has for moveset u can ggo watch rexplent guide haha. I clear without battery