Yarha 2 Military Manchu Bow by Alibow - The Penetrator!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Yarha 2 Military Manchu Bow in Fiberglass
Nothing for my shoulder, but the penetration power with these awesome 1200gr arrows is just stunning.
It was written 60#@34”, so I kept this as my max draw. We had an arrow weight of 18gpp.
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That demonstration illustrates some comments I made to previous videos on Manchu and Magyar bows. They're designed to work best with a much heavier arrow for their draw weight than other designs. The price one pays for that robust build and the long siyas to provide the leverage to throw that heavy arrow is a somewhat lower velocity than a comparable bow built to a different design (a Crimean Tatar style, for example).
What this does is let you maximize the sectional density of your projectile, basically the mass that's stacked behind a given radius (in this case that of your arrow). High sectional density equals better energy retention in flight and deeper penetration through the target medium.
What I find fascinating is the similarity between the Manchu and Magyar bows, despite next to no contact between the cultures that created them. It would appear that both the Quing and the Magyars needed missile weapons with very high penetration, possibly because both were typically facing opponents wearing substantial armor. Their other shared requirement would be that both cultures were cavalry-focused, so designed their bows around use from horseback. That limits you to a shorter bow and necessitates a complex recurve/decurve shape and composite construction to create a bow that a) can be used from horseback and b) can thow and arrow heavy enough to penetrate the armor worn by a typical opponent while doing that with enough velocity to be useful.
The English shared one requirement...that of penetration. But they didn't care about shooting from horseback (for a number of reasons) so they accepted a much longer bow which gave the required leverage using a simpler shape and materials. The great length of the English bow allowed very high draw weights, and the arrows reflect that, being quite thick and made of Ash wood, which is very dense and rigid. That rigidity also helps give the arrows the spine to be useful when shot from a 160# longbow.
The Japanese also needed arrows that would penetrate deeply, and initially focused on horse archery...but they took a different route. Either due to availability or some other reason their choice of material forced them to use a very long bow to get the necessary leverage. But they still needed to be able to use it from horseback, so they got it to work by making their design highly asymmetric.
I'll stop geeking out now and let y'all poke big, ragged holes in my post.
Your thoughts on the Magyars are true, they had to battle enemies wearing heavy armor.
Very interesting - thanks for taking the time to write.
very well written, very interesting.
Late Imperial roman bows found all across Europe, show long eares pretty much matching the Manchu design but with slightly less forward ears so a string guide was not required despite the string pulling forwards.
What few descriptions/artwork from Ancient Greek recurves also suggest they were long eared, which would also solve the issue on why Slingers could outrange Greek Archers, if they were using Long eared bows with heavy arrows, since tests show slingers would be outranged with more traditional recurves either composiate or horn, shooting lighter arrows.
Also both the Greeks and the Late imperial Romans both had to deal with heavily armoured infantry.
I read it all thank you!
Great bow lots of power I’m getting 80@35
Did you get it? How was it?
You can hear that impact, when it hits the target is brutal. Ouch!
That was a quicky! 😁
Get well soon with your shoulder!
Thank you so much for giving it all to show us the performance of the Yarha2! ☺️🙏
Best wishes!
Love the candour and humility... "This is beyond my capabilities..." And yet, awesome shooting... Hope your shoulder is okay... 🤞❤️🤞
one characteristic of the Qing bow is its high energy storage due to its big bow tips and high recurve so it can output the highest joules per pound compared to the traditional bow of all other civilizations.
Alibow seems to have a good variety of very good bows. I’m glad for the fiberglass option. Humidity in the mid to late summer. Humidity in the winter. Wet cold = ice.
nice bow (& your accent is amazing)
back in the days, when Temüjin walked the earth, this was regarded as a kid's bow.
On your 15th bithday, you would finally be allowed to shoot a "real" bow, not a flimsy 60 pounder ; )
Not really a kids bow because 60 ibs is what early horseback cultures used. Mongols used 80+ ibs You dont need a super heavy bow unless your enemy is always in armour. The whole reason why there were 160 ib bows is because of armour. The Highlanders used 50-60 ib bows because they didn't need to strike a man in plate armour and that was enough. In the Saxon era in England 70 ibs was warbow weight
i call fairytales
sheesh look at that 1200 grain arrows impact wow that would slock any bear down
A new sport... Launching Telegraph-poles. 0~o 1200 grain shaft and 250 grain tip... >~< reminds me of my cousin Derald who used a custom 110-pound recurve from Bear.
Looks like a beast
😢😊🎉🎉Manchuria
will come back！
Ohh that's it. There's a guy comes hauling a$$ around the bend by me and throws his empty Dunkin Donuts cup into the woods all the time. Mmmm yeah, right through his radiator with this one.
Hehehe
Thanks Armin for tussling with this beast for us!
I want to see it tested against modern body armor / bullet-proof-vests. All of the tests of that that you find are super-lightweight arrows out of compound bows.
Armin's beautiful video. I don't even want to imagine what the original military bows of that time were capable of. I don't understand how they could shoot 80-160 lb
I guess people were stronger back then, they had to hunt every day to eat, battle enemies... with times and comfort increases we became too soft.
It was a time when men were of steel and board of wood.
Now it's the other way around
@@magyararcher7478 we really don't appreciate the comfort we know today as much as one should/could which just goes to show how spoiled we've become over the centuries
I think that this bow together with this arrows in the hands of a skilled archer with more power in his arms will penetrate even modern body armour of police special units. And yes this includes ceramic bodyarmor
80 lbs really isn't that hard with a few months of weight training, let alone a lifetime of shooting bows.
Just started bowing and what I do not understand is that I can shoot my 40# bow easily for hours without getting tired back or shoulder muscles while I see ppl struggle with even 30# for 1hour n less. I have not tried yet how much pundage it needs to tire my back. And Id call myself pretty average regarding fitness. Sounds cool? It aint. My Fingers can not at all keep up. I have to stop shooting for weeks cause my fingers swell and become numb fast.
Sideffect: I learned left and right handed traditional as well as thumb release to distribute between the fingers and give them time to heal...
Still I need to get conditioned fingers fast since I want to go higher in poundage
Love your channel! Could you please make a video for absolute beginners and which equipment you would recommend for starting with "classical" archery?
Where do you buy your AliBows from? I live in Europe and couldn't find any in-stock products on their website.
Pretty interesting how it is getting such penetration w/ such low fps velocity.
Love bows but consider that China isn't a free market and the regime is oppressive. More than anything we vote with our money.
A Monster!
150 dollars, ideal, I could do with 80lb bow, got a squirrel problem.
I have this bow in #50 and can attest to the fun it creates. just awesome
Does it penetrate?
Hallo Armin, Videos auf Deutsch machst du keine?
Hello its time to make your bows!!!
Hello its time to make your bows!!!
The probléma with drawing IT só slowly, is with Time elasticity decreases andplasticity increseas mening IT gonna cast slower.
You should try the black swan carbon bows
when somebody will send me one, I will :)
Can it really be true that the draw weight at 34" is almost TWO TIMES the draw weight at 28"?
May I ask, I always hear about arrow weight on this channel, but are you interested in the spine also in asiatic archery?
The arrows seem terribly mismatched to the bow.
The question is sincere; long time subscriber and archer, but I have never had an asiatic bow in my hand.
I thank for an answer to whomsoever on this channel in advance.
what makes you think that the arrows are. iss matched? With the wight you usually get a decent spine already and with asiatic bows it is always better if the arrow is stiffer Tham you can find in the traditional spine charts. And a 250gr tip is "weakening" the spine again
@ArminHirmer
Armin, thank You for the answer.
I would think so, yes, but these arrows seemed too weak still.
It seemed that even feathers couldn't direct them straight at the target, but they took a turn to the left (which makes them weak, because of thumb release and the right side of the bow?)
This could be the case because sometimes I can't get the right wood shafts even for my 55-pound longbow.
I would imagine that for the poundage of this bow this is even more difficult, even with modern shafts.
But I asked in general: do you choose your arrow according to spine charts, or is this not so important for you because of the floating anchor and no nocking point + some intricacies of your shooting techniques that I missed?
I too must choose +25# shafts for my longbow, 75-80#. Then they fly straight even without feathers up to 25 m, with better archer than me maybe further.
I know you just did a giveaway, but are we going to see another giveaway for the Yarha 2 also? With the Xerxes you had said it was to heavy for you Mr. Hirmer and I was just wondering if that meant the Yarha 2 be the next giveaway bow.
maybe
@@ArminHirmer I see well if so I'll study up on it just to be safe :)
Wow !!!! Holy cow buddy, imagine shooting the 160lb war bows like they did in ages past ....I've read it wasn't uncommon for 2 enemy soldiers to be nailed together with a Manchu arrow .....it's no wonder they used the Manchu bow for large dangerous game...water Buffalo, boar , bear, tiger
160 is a strength bow for Manchus aka rarely used. The average draw weight back then around 80-100lb (they were horse archers)
@@HistoricalWeapons Yeah but there is that one account of the archer winning that competition with 18-strength bow (around 240lbs) in 1728. It might be false or exaggerated, or it might have been an extraordinary athlete. & there were Qing infantry archers too; some of them may have fought with 160lb bows. That one late-Ming text indicates that around 160lb was the draw weight for strong archers. & some late-Ming archers were probably using very similar bows to Manchu bows.
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 pulling 240 for a competition of an entire country is not the same as riding on horseback and shooting as fast as you can with a manageable and controllable weight
In the amazonian forest, the natives hunt with long heavy arrows that look like javelins or atatl darts. They penetrate the thickest hides at close distance.
Where does someone START with archery?
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I just ordered the 80lb Yarha 2 prototype from Alibow's sale. 40% off I thought why not! I think I will need to work out my thumb more 😄
fun to see using ming thumb ring to shoot qing bow😂, anyway good review👍
A Mongol war bow was around 130 to 140lb.....they would fire 12 a minute.....
I like the satisfying thunk of a bow like this when it's fired. My recurve doesn't have nearly that meaty a sound, partially that's due to lighter weight but still.
Isn't there a mistake? 35# at 28" and 67# at 34", more than 30# in 6 inches?
53 :) sometimes I mix up English and German
I'm relieved, that seemed like pushing a wall ;)
@@samaeru666 I am back in a German speaking country and now I confuse myself again with numbers :D
I completely understand. As a French guy living in Germany, I get confused with numbers everyday :D
@@samaeru666 It's the opposite, actually. Manchu bows stack very little toward the end of the draw; the steepest draw weight increase is in the first third or so.
Ive got the exact same bow (looks identical) but at 110 pounds. I shoot a 70 pound bow with relative ease but after several years of owning it i still cant use it properly.
Where can I get a target like that? I have a big target of stacked rubber foam sheets compressed with two tightening bands but I have shot it to mince meat from corner to corner and don't remember where I bought it...
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Please can you tell me what that hand movement is when you put your hand to your fist is it a form of thank you in a budda sence?
Chinese martial art thing
Thank you very much Armin for answering both my commences
Beutiful video sir.
Hey Armin, you mentioned that you occasionally shot your thumb with a Manchu bow. Do you know why? I am having the same issue. Is there something I can do to avoid it?
I guess my thumb is in the wrong position and longer arrows just perform a bit different
@@ArminHirmer Thanks for the reply! I watched your videos on khatra and full-body draw. I suspect it is because my release and follow-through are incorrect. When I get tired after 50 arrows, I forget to expand before the release and thus my bow arm does not move towards my back out of the arrow's way. Again love your videos!
Reminded me from the Patriot Arrow in Robin Hood: Men in Tights.
I thought used Broadhead when I saw the thumbnail.
Your voice sounds exactly like Jarl Varg from the Norsemen series.
"Allow me to introduce... scrotum whipping!!!" 😂😂😂
never watched :)
not beyond your capability
just beyond your enjoyment
thank you
They shoot at bigger distance back then tho
and?
The pe etrater is Klaus SHWARB
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Hello,please Czech bows Arni...This is perfect product.Thanks
tell them to send one :)
Wow, scary! I have had my eye on this bow for a bit, might try to grab one :) thank you Armin, I hope your shoulder is ok!
Love it. The sound was kind of bad.
Hi, Armin.
Is it a fiber glass or a laminated bow?
fiberglass
@@ArminHirmer , thanks.
Deadly Weapon. Hard on the body but Deadly.
Love the video! Please keep that shoulder safe.
That's frightening. I need one.
I do not approve of you hurting yourself for my pleasure Armin.
thanks. I know my limits and yet sometimes one has to go a bit over it :)
Looks like u need to tune the arrows, they are not hitting straight.
the bow is just too heavy for me
That is a beast. I want one now. Ty.
I'm thinking about getting myself the 80# version. How long does it take until it arrives (Germany)? And how much are the customs?
always depends a bit, usually 2-3 weeks. 19% I think
@@ArminHirmer thank you for this answer, that was exactly my question too....
Damnn.....imagine the impact yarha 80# with 200 grain arrow....
I hope u mean a 2000 grain arrow…?
With 200 grains the impact would came from a broken limb, you need 2000 grains arrows
@@mauriciomoreno1132 exactly my point. 🙂👍
@@NicoHogenes my mistake
@@NicoHogenes historical archerydoes
I own a Manchu bow that is too old to be strung, but I have always wanted to shoot something comparable. I ordered a 55#, so looking forward to trying it out, thank you!
Did get the bow and if so do you like it?
Beautiful bow sir
02:40 - 02:55 - This is the time when the Chrony had its second thought for being a chronometer at all. :D
A.: 'I hope I don't shoot my Chrony...'
Chrony: 'Huh??'
A.: '...1200 grain arrow...'
😂
hahaha
It's a cannon!
Powerful.
beautiful bow,
It was a very beautiful bow.
And I noticed that I place the arrow on the same side of the bow like you.
It makes me very proud, _"I shot a bow like a true pro"_ 😉
Edit
_And for some reason I have started to wear a thumb ring, fashionable in the 90th_
there are many kinds of pros out there. some shoot 3 finger with arrow inside, other thumb with arrow out and many others styles. always do what feels best for you
@@ArminHirmer on the youtube channel Shadiversity there's a constant debate what is right placement of the arrow and how to pull the string, two fingers or three, with thumbring and so on.
I don't know if you have seen Rings of Power but the elf's draw the string in a kind of backhand style. Someone said it was a native American style. And in the movie "prey" the Comanche use that technic. It looks very uncomfortable but I should try it before I judge it.
There should be trailers on TH-cam that includes that technic if you want to test it. Could be interesting for your viewers to see and hear your evaluation.
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT I dont watch these movies and there is no debate, just kook at history. debates are made up by couch potatoes who just want to believe that "their" style is the only legit one :D
That is totally cool. I like the power. Expected more speed
that comes from how the bow is tuned. You can engineer a bow to fire a light arrow fast, or a heavy arrow a bit slower. this is made to do the latter. Modern fiberglass makes the tradeoff for higher arrow weight not quite as worth it, which is why you don't see that approach with compound bows.
For comparison, his field points weigh almost as much as my whole arrows do, broadhead and all.
My Yarha is 40... he is penetrator too )
I wanted to order a Manchu bow from them, but they wouldn't make a 130lb at 29 Inches draw weight. This was the official minimum weight for the royal deer hunters
where can i get the ring? is there a separate video on it or-?
are they also sold by alibow?
yes and yes :D I did a video recently about the ring and it is from Alibow
@@ArminHirmer :D
🤘🤘
Wow that bow looks very strong for you Armin
way too strong
60lb ... that's a kids bow ...
I only show toy bows on my channel ;)
Hey Armin, great video! Did you ever review the bow, from the slingshot channel video?
we had a collaboration a few weeks ago, when Jörg was in Malta. Check his channel. I did not doa specific review, as I left Malta short after
@@ArminHirmer Sweet ,thanks for the quick reply. I was wondering if you remembered the name of the traditional bow you were shooting vs his instant legolas.
Looked like a short Turkish bow,
@@caseya.4902 soon review of this bow
Would I find it impossible to use this bow well if my draw length is around 28 only?
would not make much sense
@@ArminHirmer Thank you for responding. I was not sure if I can use this bow in the first place considering my shorter hands. I should probably look into a higher poundage Qinghai instead as an upgrade from a Qinghai 30 pound that I own now. They go upto 60 pounds now for fiberglass. Thank you again.
@@paradox_1729 always check the max draw of a bow and your max draw possible. they should match
20 granns per 1 pound... too much, isn't it ?
16-20 grain per pound, this is what manchu bows had
@@ArminHirmer hmm.. my seller from alibows says that 9-14 granns per pound. ANd now i have ~550 granns bamboo arrows for my 40 pound Yarha. Is it safe ?
@@usvainen -Minimum Arrow Weight: 16 gpp as stated on the Alibow website.you are at 13.8, I guess it will still work
@@ArminHirmer Yup, it works, 20cm penetrating as usual from short distance. I hope my bow does not suffer from shooting such light arrows (Rechecked, 540 grains).
That's why English bowmen's stand shooting 150+lbs bows is so strange.
How’s it strange? it’s hot
Well the English longbow was designed to penetrate heavy steel armour!
@@callumbush1 no it wasn't lol. The longbow is a very old design. The english just upped the draw weight to throw heavier arrows at decent velocities. 1250 grains is heavy but not for 150 ibs
@@Daylon91 the evolution of the longbow coincided with the evolution of heavier armour.
@@callumbush1 the yew longbow has been used since the very beginning and the idea of using then substantially in war came from the Welsh. The english may have thought of horn nocks as they drew heavier bows than there ancestors did. The Nubians had recurved longbows which are more efficient than a straight stick yet they were thousands of years older. The draw weight is what changed
Very good video, but I don’t get the reason for the high power, and heavy weight. It’s ver cheap, but if I am tired after 20 shots, it’s not a nice day.
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