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- The Atheist Experience 22.52 December 30, 2018 with Tracie Harris & Jen Peeples.
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The way Tracy handles fantasy terminology like 'metaphysics', 'supernatural', 'spirit', 'soul' and also 'nothingness' is extremely valuable. It really made me reconsider my own use of these terms. I wish she was still hosting the show. I really miss her contribution. The same is true for Jen.
It really points out our tendency to use these terms in the place of things we don’t understand
I miss them, too.
“I’m glad Isaac is a fan of science. I wish he would apply himself more to it.” Jen is savage
A Christian: I'm so glad there are realms like "the metaphysical" and "the transcendent" making it possible for me to say and think just about anything without having to justify or basically know shit about it.
NOW YOU'RE IN THE DEEPAK CHOPRA LAND
Hahaha..
Is that like Disneyland?
@THE PEOPLE SING just wow. I am an atheist working my dream job of studying amazing instances of evolution and the structure and function of various proteins. One of my hobbies is astronomy and because I get paid well above minimum wage, I was able to buy a rather sweet telescope. I use this at a variety of outreach programs where I volunteer my time so people are able to view the wonders of the universe with their own eyes. My son, another atheist, is studying alternative energy engineering. He loves his program and will probably earn a decent wage while having the satisfaction of doing something that will benefit society. My atheist friends are too numerous to mention but here are some of their professions; meteorologist, filmmaker, artist, neurobiologist, physician, bus driver, dietitian, nurse, psychologist, engineer, lawyer, chef and programmer, to name a few. My atheist husband is in medical research and, you guessed it, he loves his job. Deepak is a charlatan who spouts nonsense. Undergraduate courses in physics and quantum mechanics have given me enough of a vocabulary and understanding of the words he uses to know that the way he uses them is completely nonsensical. It is Deepak who is telling people how to live and what he is in reality is a snake oil salesman. He has gone from providing drugs with some potential of treating illness to quack treatments that rely on testimonials (the weakest evidence going) and the placebo effect.
@@lauriegraham1542 That's great. I've just got a $100 Meade scope but I used it to project the last few solar events and can get a nice view of Jupiter's moons and Saturn's rings
People sing you keep saying atheists make minimum wage and tell people how to live. Why do you keep bringing this up? I am atheist and I make well over minimum wage and tell no one how to live.
The land of metaphysical word salads.
Check out Deepak's ageless body.
Notice how he keeps changing his story as Tracie keeps showing him all his logical errors? 😉. You go girl!
Issac is the king of baseless assertions.
Tracy Harris: I'm god.
Me: Damn right your are Tracy!
As comical as this is, it's kinda scary when you realise that these people make up such a huge proportion of the most powerful nation on earth.
what if they could vote? worse yet, what if they could do so as a bloc, "justifying it" as "the moral majority?" Fuck me, what if they got their kind into positions of power? Can you even begin to imagine the horror show if they started passing laws, or affecting the lives of the general populace in any significant way?
Incidentally, while I've heard Florida is beautiful, I can't get enough of these Canadian winters. 😂😂🤪
And they breed 😮
Meanwhile, the two old ladies in the video dont even know one of the foundations of philosophy and cant figure out what it means. Freshman philosophy teaches people about metaphysics and by ninth grade you should be able to break a word down into prefix and suffix. And by third grade you should be exposed to the words spirit and soul and get a sense of what those words mean, but two well over fifty year old ladies dont have a sense of what any of these words mean, and those are your best representatives? Yeah sorry no one has to worry about atheists "breeding" because atheism is a movement bought and paid for by the elites and it will always parrot the beliefs of those elite. Like save the earth too many people mutilate your sexual organs or birth control and sexual revolution. Your all being played. Marx was a plant einstein an actor early french philosophers were paid to start a revolution. It's all documented quite well, but you dont want to think that perhaps The One who does offer freedom is The One who died so you can live.
@@petyrkowalski9887And get into federal politics, reaching into foreign policy and human rights.
And they VOTE!?‽!⸮
Tracie and Jen work well together
I wasn't going to have a beer, but the 'conscious" cells in my stomach are demanding I do!
LOLOLOL
I am replacing my cells and digesting my food but I don't know how I do it.
There must be more to me that I can imagine.
Same, but with heroin
In your guts, actually! Yes you read it correctly, the bacterias that live in your guts dictate your tastes! That’s actually amazing!
Yes my conscious stomach told my conscious cells in my hand to lift a beer from the fridge, but my legs were unconscious so had to go without ffs
These two never got enough shows together.
Metaphisical?? the new buzzword for magic?
That is all the Christian God really is - a magician. But unlike magicians here on Earth, Christians believe that their God _really_ can do magic.
Such ignorance and arrogance is so pathetic. Everything that explains the physical realm is metaphysical - the immaterial laws of science and the LANGUAGE of abstract mathematics that define those laws. Where did they come from -your brain chemistry or from an ultimate immaterial mind?
Everything of value and meaning that defines human nature is metaphysical and transcendent like: love, joy, hope, truth, wisdom, happiness, fulfillment, charity, compassion and destiny.
Everything that is material is little more than of fleeting value, meaning or satisfaction like ego, self image, wealth, career, gambling, sport, drug use, sexual pursuits, etc etc Read what Sam Harris or Bertrand Russell says about the unyielding despair of being no more than an unlikely collocation of atoms.
@@truthsayer6414 Emotions etc. are all just chemicals.
That you feel dispair is your problem..BTW. that is also just a chemical reaction.
@@truthsayer6414 Does that word salad come with a vinaigrette?
Truth Sayer you must be depak diamond glasses chopra... wooooh..
Listening to this guy makes me feel doubly brilliant!!
THE PEOPLE SING stop the BS trolling, no atheist says their life is perfect because no one’s life is.
@THE PEOPLE SING curious, why do you seek a "perfect" to bow before? That which is perfect shouldn't need anyone or anything on bent knees?
Indeed...... It the same as when I look up videos for "worst band"..... makes me momentarily think that my old band sounded like The Beatles instead of what we really sounded like.
"We can't recreate the big bang"
Actually large particle accelerators recreate the conditions of the early universe. That's literally why the likes of the Large Hadron Collider was built.
"We don't know how to create consciousness!"
Dude. People create consciousnesses all the time. Most of them quite enjoy the process.
Yeah, we can even do it in laboratories and record the process. You would have to break protection protocols though.
Tracie and Jen are brilliant. I love it when they're on together
Dude got totaled. Nice work girls.
Does a houseplant have more of a brain than Isaac?
@Slippery Storm I'm sorry - I forgot about the plants' "consciousness".
I hope that they don't "react" badly.
Nothing sadder than a cheeseplant going through an existential crisis......well perhaps a fiscus with low self esteem.
Yes
Is that a metaphysical question?
THE PEOPLE SING “atheists think they’re the role models of the universe” ..the irony in that statement, the massive ego Christians have..
Yet, atheists aren’t going around telling people they’re ‘unworthy’ or need to be ‘saved’. Now who believes they’re the ‘role models of the universe’? ‘Believe like we do, act like we do or suffer until the heat death of the universe simply for the finite crime of not believing in our totally not fictional god.’
*"act like we do or suffer"*
reminds me of this oldie:
_let me in._
why?
_so that i may save you._
save me from what?
_from what i'm going to do to you if you don't let me in._
KEvron
WOW.... just, WOW 😲 🤦♂️
Put down your Bible, Issac, and pick up a ‘physics for dummies’ book.
That's not going to happen, just so stupid
That's funny, I was thinking "why is she being so difficult, asking stupid questions that she knows what he's gonna say, and hammering him for 20 minutes?" Matt was always better at getting to the fricken meat of things.
Milky Way Laniakea Superclusterite,
Why do teachers ask students questions?
The answer to that question, pretty much explains what she is doing 👍
@@AussieNaturalist I know what she's doing, I'm saying in this call she's doing it poorly. Too slow, too ott, but that's just my opinion 👍🏻
@@Lyricistnz Exactly 👏👏
Listening to this guy try to make sense makes me think that our education system should change focus from memory of facts to teach what it means to think.
Kids, don't do drugs.
And certainly stay away from religion.
All of this!
Thats good advice but i would reverse them
Hearing theists stutter as they try to justify their beliefs is like music to my ears!
As someone who stutters as a regular part of my speech... Hearing this dude's gears grinding and brain overheating was glorious!
THE PEOPLE SING “you, as an atheist have all the answers” says the theist who believes they KNOW a god exists, that god speaks to them and they have a relationship with him.
That’s grounds for psychiatric treatment right there.
Being an atheist doesn’t mean one is sure about every theological question, have answers to the way the world was created, or how evolution works. It just means that the assertion that gods exist has left one unconvinced.
Being an atheist is about what one believes and don’t believe, not about what one wishes to be true or would find comforting.
@THE PEOPLE SING Thanks for admitting you can't read. I never said anything about my life other than I stutter when I talk. If you think stuttering when trying to speak to people is "perfection" and "bliss" you're absolutely fucked in the head.
@THE PEOPLE SING Take a step back from straw-manning me, and ask yourself the same questions:
Is your life perfection?
Is your life bliss?
I know it's not, and you know it's not, and telling yourself that it is so, if only you believe a little harder tomorrow, if only you purify your heart with more zeal... Over and over again... Year after year...
Christianity is a damn destructive lie and I never understood freedom or happiness until I found the strength to leave.
@@semirrahge They weren't straw manning at all lol. Claiming that atheists know all the answers is just inflicting friendly fire on Christianity's childish nonsense. If it was remotely the case, then at least it would be something held in common with adult Christians who know jebus is real.
And today on the Atheist Experience: Florida Man calls in...
*reaching for popcorn*
And the conversation, such as it was, went exactly as we expected 😂
Jen has the *perfect* incredulous face. When Isaac said, "you have millions of neurons in your stomach," the look on her face was priceless.
There are estimated to be 100 million neurons in the human small intestine alone. Of course they serve the purpose of digestion but not to think. Sorry to say the caller was right about the neurons in the digestive system.
@@TryingToFindOut Not brain neurons.
Why is the big bang theory so important to this guy? If He discredits the Big Bang theory then God? Hardly.
That's how theists think!
They think that if their argument is the only one that has not been "defeated" that means it's true. And to them, this is a far easier option than "proving" their claims.
When people say 'I am religious.' That sentence does not mean you should be respected. It tells me that you are naive and believe almost anything you are told. How can anyone respect that!
I think most people are brought up into religion and indoctrinated into it by their family or other people around them and it can be a really difficult thing to unlearn. I would agree it doesnt mean they should be respected but I think that everyone should be respected until they have shown that they dont deserve respect
yeah you`re right;give the the raspberry right off !
It is not our duty to "rule out god." It falls to the theists to give a reason why god should even be "ruled in" as a potential answer. Until we are given a reason to consider the claim as a possibility, we have no reason to consider the claim. They might as well say that the universe was created by splegooch for all the difference it makes, because a made up word is just as valid an explanation as the ones they give.
God is like a Christian Higgs field, but not really. It gives answers to all questions, but not really, and it pervades the entire mind, be it that 'it' is really a near-perfect vacuum.
Should callers have to pass an intelligence test to get on air?
But what fun would that be lol.
@@darrylelam256 That would be the end of the show: no theist callers.
this caller has neurons in his stomach and shit in his brain.
Actually, I think they're required to fail the test.
@J w
That's pretty weak. *_WHY_* exactly would you say that please?
This guy loves woo language..
I love AXP! Especially if Tracie is on. Always so well spoken and her logic is wonderful~
The idea of the caller is that if there is something that we cannot explain at the moment then there must be a God. This is the classic "God of the gaps" argument. It used to be argued that we don't know what makes the sun go across the sky each day, so there must be a guy towing it in his golden chariot. As soon as we discovered the real reason, people gave up that idea. Give it up again.
I don't know = God did it. Fail
I don't know = I don't know. Pass
@@JamesRichardWiley
Good.
@Samsung McKone
But I worship the sun, so what must I do to obtain salvation ?
@Samsung McKone
Thank you. I much appreciate sound visual advice droppings.
Argument from incredulity: god of the gapes.
Argument from Aesop. Couldn't prove god. But He was probably sour anyway. God of the grapes.
God of the Planet of the Grapes?
(Damn dirty grapes.)
Isaac must walk into a lot of glass doors.
the nurses keep him on a leash and he's always wearing his helmet...I don't think walking into glass doors is a big problem for him. Figuring out which crayon tastes the best when jammed up one's nose...now that's an inquiry worth pursuing!
They put an ISAAC sticker on the glass so he thinks there's another Isaac in front of him.
People just use words that they cannot define and that really grinds my gears
I think you mean words they don't understand.
Holy shit! This dude got a severe beat down and kept coming back from the dead🤣. I love these two!
*laughs* ‘How could you say that a plant does not have consciousness?’ omfg 🤣 🤦🏻♀️
I remember trying to read Deepak Chopra and struggling to agree, now I'm relieved that I wasn't alone.
"I'm a big fan of science." No he isn't...
Ray Romano sure spouts a lot of gobbledygook in this video.
Pretty sure that's Bert from Sesame Street.
That's how it goes when one thinks that "Everybody Loves God"
Why is "I don't know." always thrown back as, "then god must be the explanation"
Because that's all they have. A lot of times people just want an answer even if it's a bad one.
Ashley Fortenberry and he liked his own comment
sad
It is primal
THE PEOPLE SING we’re arrogant? Christians claim to KNOW their god exists, speaks to them and have a relationship with him.
That’s grounds for a psychiatric evaluation right there.
It's called the God of the gaps ... a simple program for dummies... if "I dont know"? Then "must be God"
12:52 "actually everything you see around you is not actually physical" What the hell is this guy on? He's claiming that god's brain isn't physical and that everything around us isn't physical, which would include Tracy's brain... So Tracy is still his god?
Apparently he's on Angel Dust LOLOLOLOL
Try reading some physics books and come back on the show with what you learned.
my coke reacts with my bourbon, ITS AWARE
Why is it that Theists just can't admit that they don't know how the universe came to be?
Instead, they'd rather make themselves sound like fools.
There's a faith/loyalty mindset that expects to be rewarded for holding tight to what appears to be ridiculous.
They're expecting to one day say "I told you so".
@@BaronVonQuiply
Yeah there's definitely a bit of that going on.
The universe is part of an eternal process of expansion and contraction. Big bangs and black holes.
A true genius, the world needs deep thinkers like Issac lol.
Issac loves woo woo science which isn't actual science. I'm sure he has found a whole lot of woo woo science websites that make him feel smart and think he knows stuff but unfortunately he hasn't learned how to vet his information.
He probably watched a couple of Chopra's videos.
That could explain where all his nonsense comes from.
"Isaac, what did I have for breakfast this morning?"
"I don't kn-"
"INVALID!"
Anyone who thinks that saying "I don't know" when you don't know something is a problem is faulty and should be returned to "god" under warranty.
@@ROFT Just gotta make sure parents keep the receipt
Finally Tracy has become aware of the truth: She is a goddess of us all.
That’s kinda stupid.
she’s a hypocrite. So full of logic and common sense yet she quit the show cause another co host made a video about trans people in sports and how there are biological differences in men and women.
@James Ford
It's my understanding that the hosts were doing this as unpaid volunteers. Is she not entitled to leave if she chose to, for any reason at all?
@@jamesford2192 No one asked for or wants your opinions regarding the personal decisions the hosts make.
@@unkaumanguy1439 no one asked for your mother to do the things she does but she does em anyways.
"Not everything you see around you is physical." I'm having problems letting that sink in.
More than 10 years watching this show and still waiting for theists present something NEW.
Another theist just rambling on incoherently, unable to listen but to his own voice.
"Metaphysics" - the theists' all-encompassing word for "it makes no sense, it isn't any kind of explanation and I can't actually define it because it hasn't got a real meaning, but it saves me having to admit that my babbling is just a heap of crap when I don't know what I'm talking about".
I don't think "metaphysics" is an inherently theistic term.
It's essentially just another word for philosophy.
@@b.g.5869 it's not a theistic term but they DEFINITELY fall back on it as a catch all justification for their ideas. It's purposefully presented as a "beyond our comprehension" because that removes any responsibility to provide actual evidence or consistent reasoning. They can just inject that disclaimer of unfalsifiable nonsense into the conversation and then confidently make extravagant claims.
@@zachrichardson5581 I don't know who "they" are. Theists in general don't have any more of a particular inclination towards the term "metaphysics" than atheists.
All informed atheists and theists understand that there are metaphysical concepts and the term doesn't privilege a theistic worldview.
It's just a term used in philosophy to refer to questions about the nature of reality. The whole purpose of the prefix "meta" is to make it clear that it pertains to anything and everything that exists and not necessarily just the physical.
This doesn't mean it presupposes the existence of some supernatural immaterial realm but that it includes consideration of things usually not thought of as physical such as abstract concepts.
In casual usage, it's sometimes used disparagingly when someone wants to suggest an argument either relies too upon or suggests things beyond the scope of scientific scrutiny.
A common criticism of the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics for example is that it has "too much metaphysical baggage".
In any event, I wouldn't draw as any sweeping conclusions about what people in general or theists in particular think of the term "metaphysics" from what the caller said. He's clearly an ignoramus that doesn't understand what "metaphysical" means and seems to equate it with the supernatural or non-physical; metaphysics doesn't exclude or deny the physical, it simply doesn't limit its scope of inquiry to things typically regarded as strictly physical.
Sorry what's the point of this call? I do not understand the caller's logic and where he's going with his statements.
It's a religious person. They are mostly like that.
"I do not understand the caller's logic and where he's going with his statements."
Neither does he...
Neither does he.
Maybe this is to warn you that this is your brain on religion.
@Josue Olivas
I have no idea who Richard Grier is.
If you sent him something that explains all of this, I'd really love to see it.
Perhaps you could repost it here?
Dude came in to prove a point and didn't think about what he was gonna say. He came unprepared.
Rattatattatatatatatatat
At 8:44 Issac stopped to take a breath.
Hallelujah & Amen.
Holy Phuck!
I can't stop laughing, " So I am your God" Go Tracy! Damn Girl, priceless!!!
If theres no afterlife that would make me happy. Ecstatic in fact. Thanks for your logical arguments Matt, Tracy, and the rest. I wanna rot and be nothing. It makes me sooo at peace and happy. Everlasting life would be hell and the worst torture. My friend disagreed, said she wanted eternal life.
I never knew Ray Romano called into The Atheist Experience.
LOL.....legend has it Issac is still talking nonstop on the phone still on hold.
Damn, now I’m having a hard time finishing my conscious and aware asparagus. I can hear the screams coming from the poor potatoes in my oven...
Thanks a lot Isaac.
Vegans are fucked if plants have consciousness.
Florida. That's all I needed to hear.
13 minutes in and the look on jens face...Priceless!🤣🤣🤣
"I'm your god" *mic drop*
Doesn't this caller know it was stewie griffin who created the big bang?
And he wasn't alone , Brian must be jesus then ;-)
Tracie: So god has a brain ?
Caller: No !
😂
Well that caller was certainly skilled at the Gish gallop.
I couldn't finish watching it. Nothing but screaming at each other.
~ This is interesting - love having two great women throwing the nonsense back to theists.
Metaphysical the new nonsense "go-to" word! Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
10:30 I could worship Tracie. Just sayin'.
i'd bow at _that_ altar!
KEvron
You're sexualizing her in the context of an intellectual discourse which is the epitome of patriarchal privilege. You ought not to do that, or even think along those antiquated and sexist lines. Nor should you fantasize about giving her a bath, or a massage, or a massage with warm oil.
@@aoeulhs Are you policing thoughts and fantasies?
@@aoeulhs That was oddly specific.
@@aoeulhs I would say a male with a submissive kink doesn't pose a very strong patriarchal threat, but this comment still felt awkward
Ray Romano?
I think so.
nope. ray's one of us.
KEvron
@@KEvronista
"nope. ray's one of us"
True. I forgot.
I'm always amazed at how many comedians are atheist.
well, religion's a comedy of errors, so....
KEvron
Ray Romano ..... on crack....... only funnier (and still not very funny).
They NEVER have a case, Ever.
maybe Liberty U can introduce a new degree on word salad
Dude sounds like Ray Romano
But has the brain matter of one of Romano turds
The guy is right about one thing, the Big Bang was the size of an atom, which is a spec.
Never bring a gun to a nuke fight.
met·a·phys·icsDictionary result for metaphysics
/ˌmedəˈfiziks/
noun
the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, time, and space.
I don't know ... we don't know but he knows everything !
@THE PEOPLE SING Jen and Tracie admit scientifically they don't know. however the caller seems to magically know everything !
@THE PEOPLE SING it was a one sentence comment.. where's the projection? let alone much projection? Even jebus is curious
People like this are exhausting. They just want to talk, and are not interested in discussing or learning at all. They just wait to talk.
Consciousness is the word we made up to reference a phenomena of the human brain.
Congrats on the promotion to God!
this guy cane with a specific argument he has been practicing for and you didn’t give it to him lol
Nor should they
Clouds ⛅️ are conscious too ....I have proof .
Isaac saves me three bottles of beer.
These two make a great team!
He learned his cosmology from Kent Hovind, lol.
"Science is indeed sigh ents."
-Deepity Deepak Chopra
"Plants have consciousness and are aware of their surroundings"............is that why plants don't shy away from a blade when they're going to be trimmed?
If someone was about to cut off my arms, I'd certainly move away from the blade.
why don't the atheists ask this question: "where did god come from??"??
@@soriya011 We know where gods come from.
Books and old stories.
'Gods' are the made-up answer when people don't have a real answer.
"THINGS ARE SO HARD FOR ME, SO GOD!!!!!!"
This is what happens when you call in, and try to use terms you don't understand at all.
Yep.
“Don’t interrupt my script!”
This was such a car crash. He had this whole plan of how this conversation was supposed to go in his head, and y'all kept ruining it by not accepting his beliefs as axiomatic.
If I amp holding a block of granite in my hand, 90% of the very solid granite is NOTHING. There is more nothing in that granite than there is something. If you compress all that nothing out of the granite, it takes tremendous force. Then to compress if further, actually compacting the Sub-Atomic Particles, takes even more force. When you compress the entire universe into a very compact form, that represents tremendous kinetic energy. The Singularity could only contain that energy for just so long, but for the force holding it together became less than the force of the energy wanting to be released. Release of the pent up energy was inevitable, and the release of that energy was the beginning of the expansion of the universe.
The title of this call should be "Uhhh what???". Lmao
I sincerely hope plants are not 'conscious". Can you imagine the nightmare ... of being stuck in one place, unable to run away and being aware of something come at you to eat you alive?? Over and over again, because parts of you grow back.
Please bring back Tracie!! We miss her.
She quit. She and Jen, Phil, John and a few others.
This guy watched “the happening” and thought it was a documentary...
_"What... noooo"_
Although I am an Atheist, Tracie's lack of understanding of topics almost insults the show
The fact that this person thinks "i dont know" is a cop out is all you need to know. So when he doesnt know something, instead of saying I dont know, hell just make some shit up
Most theoretical physicists don't think that the universe had an absolute beginning. They sound like they may because they talk about what they know and we don't know what was before or outside the BB. We think in terms of events which are packets of time but that doesn't mean that the sum of all events is an event. The idea of an absolute beginning is a problem of how our minds work.
The next discussion will be an in depth talk on the differences between orcs and Uruk-hai
They always say things like, "Interesting fact" or "I just think it's neat." Imagine how "neat" the first time someone realized they didn't die when they went to sleep.
Isaac gave my consciousness a migraine
This video reminded me of the Osmosis Jones movie