Hi! I am a Catholic (previously Protestant Christian- from reformed/Calvinist to Anglican to finally Catholic :). About the Sunday day of obligation- I attend an ordinariate mass and we get Catholics who drive a good hour in every direction from our current place we rent. We have “regulars” we know well that mix and match coming to our parish with more local parishes because (primarily) of distance. We also share a priest who also does masses with smaller Catholic rites nearby (Maronite/Byzantine..) so priest availability can also play a role in things… to be able to afford a priest to come and everything involved in a mass takes time and money… (we are growing and still weekly count our attendee numbers as a growing group ..) so possibly for your Maronite priest I would imagine they have many who go to local parishes (or shorter masses here and there if they have many little ones?) and they need their numbers and community on a semi regular basis to keep going…. Was it a smaller parish when you attended? I could be way off but I imagine that the priest assumes or knows that they go elsewhere when not at the Maronite mass… I have never met a priest who counseled me into keeping in sin, thank the Lord. And you are right that it is a day of obligation. :) Keep searching, praying and come join our Savior’s church! It is so wonderful to receive His graces and mercies through the other sacraments! 😊
It is factual that the Maronites are the only Eastern Catholic Church that never schismed with Rome. The "technicality" is that the Maronite Church lost contact with Rome as a result of the Islamic conquests during the 7th century, and regained contact with Rome during the 12th century as a result of the Crusades. Every other Eastern Catholic Church schismed with Rome in 1054 or earlier, and re-entered communion in the 16th century or later.
My friends are Lebanese, I’ve been to mass at their church. The moving part of the service was the consecration, when the priest said the words in Aramaic. The language spoken by Our Lord. If you’re in Philadelphia, there is one on South 10th Street, St. Maron’s. And in the suburbs St. Sharbel of Newtown Square. I also really liked the cantor’s rendition of Lebanese sacred music.
I heard a Byzantine Catholic priest explain it so nicely: "Apostolic tradition with the freedom of expression". Ref. Peter and Paul and everything said and done by both of them.
I’ve never heard of them but it sounds nice. I agree, hearing Christ’s words in the language he spoke would be amazing. Great video Nate! Can’t wait to hear more.
Fantastic video my catholic brother for here in Hawaii we had a chance for a Marian priest to celebrate mass and I gotta say this that if it wasn’t for a format of the mass given to whom ever attended the mass you would be in limbo for the mass celebration was done in a foreign language.And I have to say this that it was capturing and mysterious
I have often attended the Maronite rite. I find the music beautiful. BTW, the Last Supper was a ritual in a dead language: Hebrew. Refer to the book: "How Christ Said the First Mass" by Fr. James Meagher.
I went to a Maronite Catholic Church for the first time today for a Byzantine Rite conducted by a Byzantine Catholic Priest. Of which the church holds every 2nd and 4th week of the month. The priest comes down a hour away from his main church. Which is the closest one in my area. I am in the middle of catechism at my local Roman Catholic Church. I wanted to go to this one just because I have a custom made paracord knotted rosary (Dominican style) with a Russian/Greek Orthodox Cross. 1) To be blessed by the Byzantine Priest. 2) To pay my respects to my great great grandparents who were Eastern Catholic from the Carpathian Mountains of South Eastern Ukraine. Of which was the Austrian-Hungarian Empire at the time they migrated to the States.
If you have an opportunity to attend the Eastern Divine Liturgy I suggest you go. We attend frequently the Milkite Rite here in Phoenix frequently. The Maronite Rite is very nice but sadly has been overtly influenced by the Roman Rite. The Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, done well, is sumptuously beautiful and mystical. I truly love the Apostolic Liturgies (TLM, Divine Liturgy, Maronite, etc). So many saints have supped at the table of the sacral Liturgies.
If I may, history has shown that Unlike the Eastern Orthodox or the Oriental Orthodox Churches, the Maronites never rejected the Council of Chalcedon (451 AD), and they did not take part in the Great Schism of 1054, which split the Eastern Orthodox from the Catholic Church. They were isolated and experienced a period of geographical and political isolation, but this did not equate to a doctrinal or ecclesiastical separation.
Actually in Lebanon, most Maronite masses are said in Arabic, except for the consecration, which is in Syriac. Syriac is the western dialect of Aramaic. I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly, the dialect spoken by our Lord was eastern Aramaic, so there will be some differences from the exact way the Lord said the consecration words. Once I watched a mass in a Maronite monastery in the USA in English, it felt so unusual to me to hear eastern Maronite hymns sang in English And I agree that the Maronite is difficult to follow, it is not straight forward, and there are too many references to the Old Testament, it is spiritually complicated. I am born in a Maronite home and I went to a catholic school in Lebanon. In Abu Dhabi, where I now live, the catholic services follow the Latin rite (there is a service in Arabic too), so when you get used to the Latin liturgy and you revert to eastern, you feel the difference
Not that im aware the Maronites ever broke from rome, they didnt even know a schism had happened until crusaders showed up and told them what happened but they have remained loyal to rome not Constantinople so they are right they never broke from rome and neither did the Ukrainian Catholics knew either 🤷
I personally know Maronite clergy who would have a HUGE problem with you calling it a MASS. It's a DIVINE LITURGY Since when is a Sunday a "Holy Day of Obligation?" NEVER heard that one. Yes, you are obligated to go to church on Sunday but but there are valid reasons to omit. Maybe the priest was not chastising this people for not going to church but maybe for not going to their Maronite liturgy. As a supporter of the Maronite community and having many clergy friends within the Maronite church, I find your comments difficult to accept.
Hi there! Thank you for watching and taking the time comment. My apologies if I said anything offensive or incorrect. I only referred to it as Mass because the sign outside of the church says “Masses” above the schedule. Reference the clip at 2:07 Also, it was a Catholic Church, not Orthodox, and correct me if I am wrong but as far as I understand it even the Eastern Catholic Churches are under submission to the issue of Sunday Obligation. I wasn’t criticizing the priest for not chastising his parish, I actually really loved the way he approached the subject so gently and lovely. I hope this clears anything up, and please feel free to correct me if I was wrong about anything.
Every Maronite calls it Mass when speaking. In formal Arabic we'd use the equivalent of "Divine Liturgy," but I have never in my life as a Maronite heard someone say Divine Liturgy or Divine Liturgie (French). This is very Byzantine, so Melkites (Greek Catholics) say it. We also absolutely have Sunday as a day of obligation. We share one faith. You would do well to be more charitable over semantics.
@@alexabihabib8215 Sorry but not EVERY Masonite. I am close personal friends and vestment tailor with two Chor-bishops and several priests and they ALL roll their eyes and correct people when they call it a Mass. They even use a derogatory tone when they say the word mass when they correct . So I will go by the opinion of those Chor-bishops and clergy
different things on different days. if you're Christian, you'll be in church on the Lord's day, the 7th day Sabbath, as Christ and all His followers show us in Scripture. if you're catholic, you'll be a day late, which is standing for sin, since sunday is just another day of the week, according to God.
First of all, thank you for making your own comment and keeping your objection to one topic. I really appreciate it. I want you to know that Catholics do also celebrate the Mass on Saturdays. If you attend Mass on Saturday at 4pm or later it’s considered a vigil mass and fulfills the Sunday obligation. Historically, the term “The Lord’s Day” actually refers to Sunday. If you comb through the New Testament, as well as the writings of Christians from the same time period as the authorship of the New Testament, you will see that plainly. The reason Christians moved the Sabbath to Sunday is because Sunday is the day of the week our Blessed Lord rose from the dead. In order to honor Him we go to His house to celebrate on that day. In Scripture Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, implying that adhering to the Pharisaical rules and laws regarding the Sabbath, if they didn’t actually edify you, you weren’t worth obeying. The point of the Sabbath law wasn’t simply to designate a holy day of the week, but to mandate rest to a people who would otherwise probably work 7 days a week.
@@BecomingCatholic paragraph 1 -- np Sir! we are, after all, only trying to get to the same place with as many as possible going with us! paragraph 2 -- Ex 20:8-11 is much more than that. there is no 'sunday obligation' from what i read in Scripture. in fact, Ex 20:8-11 shows us clearly that the 1st day (sunday) is simply a 'work day'. paragraph 3 -- actually, i believe the OT & NT is clear to show us that the Lord's day can be no other than the 7th day Sabbath. if i show you clear and undeniable proof in OT & NT, would it matter to you, Sir? this was a major part of my leaving catholicims. if a system isn't abiding in God's Word, what good is that system? about as unreliable as Satan proved to be in Matt 4 & Luke 4 paragraph 4 -- interestingly, the NT was written after His resurrection and ascension. none pretended this was so. in fact, to commemorate such, a Christian partakes (according to Scripture) in full submersion baptism: Col 2:12, Rom 6:3-4, 1 Pt 3:21 we don't tamper with a Command, which Jesus says is impossible to change anyhow -- Luke 16:17 paragraph 5 -- first 1/2 of your post is precise! the jews were trying to regulate a day which our Creator has sanctified, blessed, made Holy -- they were trying to make It a burden, but It's actually a blessing! now which day is His? He was clear, the 7th day -- please read Ezekiel 22:26 & 44:23-24 to see how it's not at all optional as to which day is His. remember Jesus' Words in Luke 16:17 His day will even be kept in Heaven to come -- Isaiah 66:22-23 please remember too what the definition of sin is -- 1 John 3:4 which is why i am adamant to teach that catholicism does mandate sin, Sir. i believe the Bible is clear about this as well. thanks for reading! am anxious for your response, Sir.
paragraph 1 -- np Sir! we are, after all, only trying to get to the same place with as many as possible going with us! paragraph 2 -- Ex 20:8-11 is much more than that. there is no 'sunday obligation' from what i read in Scripture. in fact, Ex 20:8-11 shows us clearly that the 1st day (sunday) is simply a 'work day'. paragraph 3 -- actually, i believe the OT & NT is clear to show us that the Lord's day can be no other than the 7th day Sabbath. if i show you clear and undeniable proof in OT & NT, would it matter to you, Sir? this was a major part of my leaving catholicims. if a system isn't abiding in God's Word, what good is that system? about as unreliable as Satan proved to be in Matt 4 & Luke 4 paragraph 4 -- interestingly, the NT was written after His resurrection and ascension. none pretended this was so. in fact, to commemorate such, a Christian partakes (according to Scripture) in full submersion baptism: Col 2:12, Rom 6:3-4, 1 Pt 3:21 we don't tamper with a Command, which Jesus says is impossible to change anyhow -- Luke 16:17 paragraph 5 -- first 1/2 of your post is precise! the jews were trying to regulate a day which our Creator has sanctified, blessed, made Holy -- they were trying to make It a burden, but It's actually a blessing! now which day is His? He was clear, the 7th day -- please read Ezekiel 22:26 & 44:23-24 to see how it's not at all optional as to which day is His. remember Jesus' Words in Luke 16:17 Exodus 20:8-11, He didn't say 'a' Sabbath, He said 'The Sabbath' - He most assuredly did establish which day is His. His day will even be kept in Heaven to come -- Isaiah 66:22-23 please remember too what the definition of sin is -- 1 John 3:4 which is why i am adamant to teach that catholicism does mandate sin, Sir. i believe the Bible is clear about this as well. thanks for reading! am anxious for your response, Sir.
Hi! I am a Catholic (previously Protestant Christian- from reformed/Calvinist to Anglican to finally Catholic :).
About the Sunday day of obligation- I attend an ordinariate mass and we get Catholics who drive a good hour in every direction from our current place we rent. We have “regulars” we know well that mix and match coming to our parish with more local parishes because (primarily) of distance. We also share a priest who also does masses with smaller Catholic rites nearby (Maronite/Byzantine..) so priest availability can also play a role in things… to be able to afford a priest to come and everything involved in a mass takes time and money… (we are growing and still weekly count our attendee numbers as a growing group ..) so possibly for your Maronite priest I would imagine they have many who go to local parishes (or shorter masses here and there if they have many little ones?) and they need their numbers and community on a semi regular basis to keep going…. Was it a smaller parish when you attended?
I could be way off but I imagine that the priest assumes or knows that they go elsewhere when not at the Maronite mass…
I have never met a priest who counseled me into keeping in sin, thank the Lord. And you are right that it is a day of obligation. :)
Keep searching, praying and come join our Savior’s church! It is so wonderful to receive His graces and mercies through the other sacraments! 😊
Maronite Catholic from Lebanon here ❤ Beautiful video
Kif ca va? Fellow Maronite from Za7le/Jdita here!
It is factual that the Maronites are the only Eastern Catholic Church that never schismed with Rome. The "technicality" is that the Maronite Church lost contact with Rome as a result of the Islamic conquests during the 7th century, and regained contact with Rome during the 12th century as a result of the Crusades. Every other Eastern Catholic Church schismed with Rome in 1054 or earlier, and re-entered communion in the 16th century or later.
I did not know that.
Yes sir that's true. There was never an schism, just a geographical and historical problem, but never a schism.
My friends are Lebanese, I’ve been to mass at their church. The moving part of the service was the consecration, when the priest said the words in Aramaic. The language spoken by Our Lord.
If you’re in Philadelphia, there is one on South 10th Street, St. Maron’s. And in the suburbs St. Sharbel of Newtown Square.
I also really liked the cantor’s rendition of Lebanese sacred music.
Excited to watch this.
Let me know what you think once you’ve watched!
I'm so glad to see you're back ❤ God bless you and your family ❤
I heard a Byzantine Catholic priest explain it so nicely:
"Apostolic tradition with the freedom of expression".
Ref. Peter and Paul and everything said and done by both of them.
I’ve never heard of them but it sounds nice. I agree, hearing Christ’s words in the language he spoke would be amazing.
Great video Nate! Can’t wait to hear more.
Fantastic video my catholic brother for here in Hawaii we had a chance for a Marian priest to celebrate mass and I gotta say this that if it wasn’t for a format of the mass given to whom ever attended the mass you would be in limbo for the mass celebration was done in a foreign language.And I have to say this that it was capturing and mysterious
I have often attended the Maronite rite. I find the music beautiful. BTW, the Last Supper was a ritual in a dead language: Hebrew. Refer to the book: "How Christ Said the First Mass" by Fr. James Meagher.
I went to a Maronite Catholic Church for the first time today for a Byzantine Rite conducted by a Byzantine Catholic Priest. Of which the church holds every 2nd and 4th week of the month. The priest comes down a hour away from his main church. Which is the closest one in my area. I am in the middle of catechism at my local Roman Catholic Church. I wanted to go to this one just because I have a custom made paracord knotted rosary (Dominican style) with a Russian/Greek Orthodox Cross. 1) To be blessed by the Byzantine Priest. 2) To pay my respects to my great great grandparents who were Eastern Catholic from the Carpathian Mountains of South Eastern Ukraine. Of which was the Austrian-Hungarian Empire at the time they migrated to the States.
If you have an opportunity to attend the Eastern Divine Liturgy I suggest you go. We attend frequently the Milkite Rite here in Phoenix frequently. The Maronite Rite is very nice but sadly has been overtly influenced by the Roman Rite. The Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, done well, is sumptuously beautiful and mystical. I truly love the Apostolic Liturgies (TLM, Divine Liturgy, Maronite, etc). So many saints have supped at the table of the sacral Liturgies.
If I may, history has shown that Unlike the Eastern Orthodox or the Oriental Orthodox Churches, the Maronites never rejected the Council of Chalcedon (451 AD), and they did not take part in the Great Schism of 1054, which split the Eastern Orthodox from the Catholic Church. They were isolated and experienced a period of geographical and political isolation, but this did not equate to a doctrinal or ecclesiastical separation.
Glad you visited them. So many don't even know they exist.
Actually in Lebanon, most Maronite masses are said in Arabic, except for the consecration, which is in Syriac. Syriac is the western dialect of Aramaic. I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly, the dialect spoken by our Lord was eastern Aramaic, so there will be some differences from the exact way the Lord said the consecration words. Once I watched a mass in a Maronite monastery in the USA in English, it felt so unusual to me to hear eastern Maronite hymns sang in English
And I agree that the Maronite is difficult to follow, it is not straight forward, and there are too many references to the Old Testament, it is spiritually complicated. I am born in a Maronite home and I went to a catholic school in Lebanon. In Abu Dhabi, where I now live, the catholic services follow the Latin rite (there is a service in Arabic too), so when you get used to the Latin liturgy and you revert to eastern, you feel the difference
Not that im aware the Maronites ever broke from rome, they didnt even know a schism had happened until crusaders showed up and told them what happened but they have remained loyal to rome not Constantinople so they are right they never broke from rome and neither did the Ukrainian Catholics knew either 🤷
We are the most Jewish of ALLA Catholic Rites.
You hear the words of the Consecration exactly as Yasu al Masi' said them 2000 years ago.
@BecomingCatholic, are you entering the Church on Easter/Pascha?
As a Maronite I am helping the Abuna "say" the Mass.
I do not go to watch; I go to say [help] the Mass.
The Orthodox version of the Catholic Melkite Divine Liturgy in English
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🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Sadly the Maronite Rite of Mass and Sacraments have changed since 1970. The Maronites gave aped the worst abuses that came in since Vatican 2.
True....Maronites and all other Eastern Catholic Churches must carefully reinstate ancient Eastern practises....don't be lazy...
They were always heavily Latinized
Latin Church must stop being so superior and bring Eastern Catholic Churches into the centre...
...and Eastern Churches must be fully Eastern and not embarrassed to be so.....we need you!!!
Must be all in Aramaic with English translations available....simple....
I personally know Maronite clergy who would have a HUGE problem with you calling it a MASS. It's a DIVINE LITURGY Since when is a Sunday a "Holy Day of Obligation?" NEVER heard that one. Yes, you are obligated to go to church on Sunday but but there are valid reasons to omit. Maybe the priest was not chastising this people for not going to church but maybe for not going to their Maronite liturgy. As a supporter of the Maronite community and having many clergy friends within the Maronite church, I find your comments difficult to accept.
Hi there! Thank you for watching and taking the time comment. My apologies if I said anything offensive or incorrect. I only referred to it as Mass because the sign outside of the church says “Masses” above the schedule. Reference the clip at 2:07
Also, it was a Catholic Church, not Orthodox, and correct me if I am wrong but as far as I understand it even the Eastern Catholic Churches are under submission to the issue of Sunday Obligation.
I wasn’t criticizing the priest for not chastising his parish, I actually really loved the way he approached the subject so gently and lovely.
I hope this clears anything up, and please feel free to correct me if I was wrong about anything.
Every Maronite calls it Mass when speaking. In formal Arabic we'd use the equivalent of "Divine Liturgy," but I have never in my life as a Maronite heard someone say Divine Liturgy or Divine Liturgie (French). This is very Byzantine, so Melkites (Greek Catholics) say it. We also absolutely have Sunday as a day of obligation. We share one faith. You would do well to be more charitable over semantics.
@@alexabihabib8215 Sorry but not EVERY Masonite. I am close personal friends and vestment tailor with two Chor-bishops and several priests and they ALL roll their eyes and correct people when they call it a Mass. They even use a derogatory tone when they say the word mass when they correct . So I will go by the opinion of those Chor-bishops and clergy
different things on different days.
if you're Christian, you'll be in church on the Lord's day, the 7th day Sabbath, as Christ and all His followers show us in Scripture.
if you're catholic, you'll be a day late, which is standing for sin, since sunday is just another day of the week, according to God.
First of all, thank you for making your own comment and keeping your objection to one topic. I really appreciate it.
I want you to know that Catholics do also celebrate the Mass on Saturdays. If you attend Mass on Saturday at 4pm or later it’s considered a vigil mass and fulfills the Sunday obligation.
Historically, the term “The Lord’s Day” actually refers to Sunday. If you comb through the New Testament, as well as the writings of Christians from the same time period as the authorship of the New Testament, you will see that plainly.
The reason Christians moved the Sabbath to Sunday is because Sunday is the day of the week our Blessed Lord rose from the dead. In order to honor Him we go to His house to celebrate on that day.
In Scripture Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, implying that adhering to the Pharisaical rules and laws regarding the Sabbath, if they didn’t actually edify you, you weren’t worth obeying. The point of the Sabbath law wasn’t simply to designate a holy day of the week, but to mandate rest to a people who would otherwise probably work 7 days a week.
@@BecomingCatholic paragraph 1 -- np Sir! we are, after all, only trying to get to the same place with as many as possible going with us!
paragraph 2 -- Ex 20:8-11 is much more than that. there is no 'sunday obligation' from what i read in Scripture. in fact, Ex 20:8-11 shows us clearly that the 1st day (sunday) is simply a 'work day'.
paragraph 3 -- actually, i believe the OT & NT is clear to show us that the Lord's day can be no other than the 7th day Sabbath.
if i show you clear and undeniable proof in OT & NT, would it matter to you, Sir?
this was a major part of my leaving catholicims. if a system isn't abiding in God's Word, what good is that system?
about as unreliable as Satan proved to be in Matt 4 & Luke 4
paragraph 4 -- interestingly, the NT was written after His resurrection and ascension. none pretended this was so. in fact, to commemorate such, a Christian partakes (according to Scripture) in full submersion baptism: Col 2:12, Rom 6:3-4, 1 Pt 3:21
we don't tamper with a Command, which Jesus says is impossible to change anyhow -- Luke 16:17
paragraph 5 -- first 1/2 of your post is precise! the jews were trying to regulate a day which our Creator has sanctified, blessed, made Holy -- they were trying to make It a burden, but It's actually a blessing!
now which day is His? He was clear, the 7th day -- please read Ezekiel 22:26 & 44:23-24 to see how it's not at all optional as to which day is His. remember Jesus' Words in Luke 16:17
His day will even be kept in Heaven to come -- Isaiah 66:22-23
please remember too what the definition of sin is -- 1 John 3:4
which is why i am adamant to teach that catholicism does mandate sin, Sir.
i believe the Bible is clear about this as well.
thanks for reading!
am anxious for your response, Sir.
paragraph 1 -- np Sir! we are, after all, only trying to get to the same place with as many as possible going with us!
paragraph 2 -- Ex 20:8-11 is much more than that. there is no 'sunday obligation' from what i read in Scripture. in fact, Ex 20:8-11 shows us clearly that the 1st day (sunday) is simply a 'work day'.
paragraph 3 -- actually, i believe the OT & NT is clear to show us that the Lord's day can be no other than the 7th day Sabbath.
if i show you clear and undeniable proof in OT & NT, would it matter to you, Sir?
this was a major part of my leaving catholicims. if a system isn't abiding in God's Word, what good is that system?
about as unreliable as Satan proved to be in Matt 4 & Luke 4
paragraph 4 -- interestingly, the NT was written after His resurrection and ascension. none pretended this was so. in fact, to commemorate such, a Christian partakes (according to Scripture) in full submersion baptism: Col 2:12, Rom 6:3-4, 1 Pt 3:21
we don't tamper with a Command, which Jesus says is impossible to change anyhow -- Luke 16:17
paragraph 5 -- first 1/2 of your post is precise! the jews were trying to regulate a day which our Creator has sanctified, blessed, made Holy -- they were trying to make It a burden, but It's actually a blessing!
now which day is His? He was clear, the 7th day -- please read Ezekiel 22:26 & 44:23-24 to see how it's not at all optional as to which day is His. remember Jesus' Words in Luke 16:17
Exodus 20:8-11, He didn't say 'a' Sabbath, He said 'The Sabbath' - He most assuredly did establish which day is His.
His day will even be kept in Heaven to come -- Isaiah 66:22-23
please remember too what the definition of sin is -- 1 John 3:4
which is why i am adamant to teach that catholicism does mandate sin, Sir.
i believe the Bible is clear about this as well.
thanks for reading!
am anxious for your response, Sir.
@@BecomingCatholic be aware, Tony haunts a lot of Catholic channels, How To Be Christian even dedicated entire episode to Tony
Catholics have the option of observing the mass attendance obligation on Saturday if we wish.