Thanks Dave, don't know why but this mail bag felt like one of the best I've seen from you. Must have something right! Enjoy the view looking forward to that bug sweeper teardown.
About the LED stuff. Poor thermal design makes temperature increase too much. This leads in VF of leds dropping, maybe by 3-4% for those LEDs at 70°C. Rectification diodes also drop VF. That leads to an increase of current since resistors are fixed. Another point is: you supply 12V from a bench PS, maybe the PS used to turn on those LEDs has higher voltage even staying in the declared tolerance. Looking at the datasheet I also see the VF of those LEDs can change by 0.7 volt between opposite bins but I hope at least they selected the right LEDs for that design.
CPZeroDue forgot the conclusion :) the more the heat, the more the current and the drop on resistors that go out of spec (besides derating with temperature). And a higher than 12V supply increases the problem
The connector on this bulb suggests that it will mostly be used in automotive applications. The fact that an ordinary car alternator keeps voltage as high as 15 volts just makes thing worse!
EEVblog Yes and I really appreciated this one. I didn't count the frequency of those type of videos but I get the feeling that they are less and less frequent. I only subscribed a year ago, so I may also be a bit biased.
The iiNet modem brings back memories. I was one of the initial beta testers of that device, I had one of the non-wifi models. All of the beta units had a USB port which didn't actually do anything and couldn't be firmware upgraded due to some changes in the new firmware. When the beta period ended we had to ring them up and they sent us out the production units free of charge. Still have that modem kicking around as a spare.
Ultrathin and tablet type PCs aren't terribly easy to disassemble if you are uninitiated. Check iFixit and see if someone ventured before you to get a tear down. Sometimes the service manuals are leaked online that shows the breakdown procedure, and SOMETIMES the company doesn't have their head up their asses, and give access to to the end user for how to break down their product line. Barring that they are almost always press fitted and you need to use a silicon spudge tool to separate the piece far enough to wedge a guitar pick in, and then you can roll the guitar pick around to complete the separation. It's super important to check for any screws that are holding the screen in place first.
The burnt up leds are probably more because the original driver in the light fitting was made for halogen lamp at much higher watt, so the voltage is probably more like 16v when using it with leds. You almost always need to change the driver as well when changing to simple resistor dropper leds like these.
douro20 See dropout characteristic of 7812. For 13.8-14.4V range it will never act as a regulator. You should consider using LDO regulator instead (that would still be an overkill here, though).
Scott Henion My thoughts, as well. I saw that connector and immediately thought they are just cooking that board inside of a domelight enclosure. 14VDC plus transients, probably aging alternators pushing significant AC through, too.
Nick5435 It doesn't make it any less of a pain in the ass when you want to get a replacement for them. (Cheap ones on eBay last my partner about a month a pop, an official Asus one is over $30 each.)
I worked for an estate sale company just last year. I never want to see another casset tape/casset player, vhs tape/vhs player, crt television, or land-line phone for the rest of my life. You can't give the crap away.
40:39 .... You should have smelled the inside of an electronic florescent ballast I tore down after it failed. It had significant arcing damage on the output (lamp) side. Smelled so horrible! Also, almost all the components were covered in a layer of soot. I've torn down similar models as well, and they all have the same failure ... I think it initiates from bad solder joints, as there are cracked solder joints all over the place! At least the ballast has a metal case ... not flammable plastic.
Hi Dave, I arrived on Monday into Sydney for my first trip down under on business. It has beeen raining cats and dogs for 3 days! I hope you managed to not get effected with all of the fallen trees and power outages. Always a fan. Mark
The back cover is clipped on the tablet (Transformer TF300T, I think). You need something flat to run along the seam. As for getting it working, a simple re-flash (assuming the chips are still good) may revive it. There should be a few guides out there to do it.
The tablet will not charge from 5V, whilst it appears to be a "standard" USB connector, there are "special" contacts buried in there which take, I think 15V from a "special" Asus charger.
Wohoo! My mailbag-item already arrived and opened! Looks like i´ll be buying another fluke DMM then, when both of them reads out the same, I´ll be confident that the reading actually is correct. Thanks for the best vblog! Regards from Anders in Sweden.
Dave, if you fancy turning that Cypres on at some point, press the red button and then wait for the LED to turn on. Then press the button again, wait for the LED. Etc. After 3 times it does a init seq.
Re. the Raspberry Pi I/O Hat, I'd add that that PCB makers don't like indent ink being screened over holes/vias as it forms a blob on the underside of the screen and ends up making a mess on a PCB, which then has to be cleaned up.
That's an ASUS Transformer...not sure of the generation based on the colour; looks like a TF201; tegra 2 processor Edit: Reason for the stupid proprietary cable: When it handshakes between the charger and the tablet it boosts up to 15V2A mode to provide significantly more power than a standard usb charger. Edit-2: the proprietary connector is also so there is a more robust connection between the keyboard (batterY) and the tablet; it's semi-mechanical at that size where as if they used mini-usb aligning it would be a pain in the ass.
frollard I think it's not only an ASUS connector. There's one of these on my Samsung Tablet. I think it is called PDMI (Portbale Digital Media Interface)
frollard Dave asked for a secondary charger connector like mini or micro usb additionally to the asus connector. Or just the got old barrel connector. Dave would had been happy with the asus connector + standard connector. I mean: As a system engineer he should know that this as cost to the BOM, that the user will plug two barely specified chargers in at the same time etc. but then again: Carrying a set of cables can not be the best solution to this problem. (But then again: A few years ago, we had to carry one wall wart with 50/60 Hz transformer around for each and every device - using USB on the charger side of the cable is quite some progress)
Just watched this and when you read the date 1988, when I graduated High School and with your BTTF shirt on I just had to load all 3 movies to watch before bedtime. Watching your videos which are great sure does bring back fond memories. What can I say but I AM A NERD!
If you pop one of these LED replacement lamps into an older fixture that was designed for a halogen bulb, that fixture can drive the lamp at much more than the nominal 12 volts. Halogen fixtures often have a completely unregulated AC power supply (just a transformer) sized so that it will provide a nominal 12 volts into a 20 watt (or 50 watt) load. But that transformer might provide 16 volts into the much smaller load of an LED lamp, because there will be far less resistive loss in the transformer’s secondary winding. Since the LEDs themselves are constant voltage devices, all of the extra voltage will appear across the dropping resistor, so at 16v minus 9v for the three LEDs in series that’s 7 volts across the resistor. 7 volts squared / 91 ohms = 0.5 watts. Now we see why those resistors might overheat.
There was a method where you'd turn off all power at the breaker box and then you'd use one of those probes for electric circuit analysis, can't remember exactly what the trick was. Supposedly you could do the detection on the cheap.
Using a bridge rectifier will also increase the voltage of the DC output by a small factor. So thing should go even more worse for the LEDs. I think there are a lot of small things come together for these cheap produced lamps to go off like wrong connected capacitor.
The tablet is annoying to open since they like gluing everything, but there are teardown tutorials. There is a risk of cracking the screen during the teardown, as it has to be pried off.
It's a Cypres 2. So it is a newer version. That is an expert version it will fire at 750 ft. It opens the reserve. I have not seen the other teardown :-)
9:42 Knowing it was specifically used by and designed for the same gov who said it's in violation of federal laws, that make a pretty good example of double standards
The warning related to using the technology to try and conceal an illicit listening device. It is perfectly legal to use such a device to detect and locate listening devices within your private property (or otherwise private space, such as a hotel room or office). That said, intentional eavesdropping is perfectly legal in some states provided that there is at least one party (to the conversation) consenting to such recording. In other states all may need to consent. Regardless, such is potentially legal in public areas if there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. And, of course, listening devices are perfectly legal if there is a court order authorizing their use for evidence gathering. But when it rises to the level of nation state sponsored espionage then all is out the window as most every nation state spies on the next, and that is often not such a bad thing as spying has often made all the difference between nations going to war over misunderstandings of intent versus seeking a more peaceful diplomatic solution.
6 digits and a fixed decimal point at two digits is a pretty limited display. i wonder if there actually are sliderulers with display, sort of 5 function caliper.
For the LEDs its for a car which might get 14volts when a car is running or battery on charge, imagine the current and the heat generated in 14 volts instead in this case, surely will exceed 70c by far.
I have a wifi router hacked to incorporate a microphone and transmit both trough VoIP and separate 5GHz wifi network. Both are accessible trough the router's setup website. It has a hidden button on the site that opens the options for the microphone. It's a TP-Link branded one. Looks like it's an original one hacked to do more stuff.
EEVblog : (LED bulb) I'm pretty sure that was plugged over 12V AC so it's not the same .... As you known, this will raise the current to ~75mA peak (25% over current @100Hz)
If they are run on 12VAC (RMS) then they will only have a short period of conduction on each cycle when the voltage actually exceeds the forward drop of the 5 series diodes (2 in bridge plus 3 LEDs) that make up each string (with 9 sets of LED strings in parallel). So, while their will be greater peak current draw there will also be considerable periods with little to no current draw (as there are no filter capacitors to smooth things over). Besides, 12VACrms will still have the same average forward power as 12VDC to the extent that the load appears resistive (not perfectly resistive, but largely so). Regardless, it was still lousy thermal design -- all that room on the board for large copper fills and they wasted it all by etching nearly all the copper away, losing a good heatsink in the process! Copper fills on a PCB can dissipate a good deal of heat when properly exploited (plus it is otherwise free surface area).
Ethan Poole You seems to think you signal is still a sinus, it's not anymore due to the bridge rectifier. So 12 VAC RMS is not what the LED + resistor dissipate, it's a lot more when the current is rectified.
I wish I could find the calculator my parents had growing up so I could send it to you. It was a large four-banger as you say. It had a Montgomery Wards badge on. I'm not sure who actually made it, but it was the only calculator I have ever seen that had a segmented display that used an incandescent bulb as a back light to make the characters visible. I wonder if you have ever seen a display like that before.
snowden mentioned that routers have had eves dropping software installed for surveillance of the public. It would be great for you to come across evidence of this during a teardown.
I have that ASUS tablet and keyboard combo. Love it. What Dave doesn't get is that this tablet charges on 15VDC. NOT 5VDC. This thing charges to full in about an hour and the charge lasts for hours. It runs rings around other Samsung or Apple tablets friends and family have when it comes to charging. It also has Tegra video. The tradeoff is justified IMO for the function and performance. I travel with mine in place of a regular laptop.
Well,now,that's interesting. I recall seeing a cassette with a very similar label,in my childhood. I vaguely recall seeing one of those plug-pack sensor/probe things too. That Asus thing is weird. "TekThing" just showed this in a recent episode. Really goofy charging and stuff.
there will be a way of charging the tablet and the keyboard dock has its own charger and is supposed to boot the running time on the tablet itselfe. I actualy have allot of the batteries as I repair or scrap these for people. The best charger I can sugest is the Samsung Calaxy type as they match perfect for Amperage and voltage.
Those connectors aren't proprietary. Its a 30 pin data connector. Apple chose to do it with their tablets and iPods to keep the port end agnostic to the standard it was connected to, because back in the day it could have been connected to firewire, or USB. Also, USB sucks sucks sucks. At least until the 4.0 standard comes out and we can finally get plugs that can be reversed.
Under the heatsink of the wireless router, it's probably not a custom ASIC. I'd guess it is a standard ARM or MIPS SoC from Marvell or Atheros or Broadcom. Most of those routers run Linux or VxWorks.
That would be my expectation too. The bandwidth on these devices isn't all that great to begin with so little need for high performance Ethernet frame switching and routing ASICs, they would get a much greater boost from an ASIC that accelerates encrypting and decrypting the packets.
Hey! I think I know why you weren't finding a problem with the light. You're running under the assumption that the power going into them is actually 12v. I would put $5 down that whatever was feeding those lights were actually well over 12v or possibly even 12v AC. If those lights were run on a slightly over voltage power supply the problem would escalate quite quickly.
A Nokia-Teardown? Watch out to not drop it or it might break your bench. My first mobile-phone was a used Nokia. While i saw some classmates using way more modern phones, i only used it for well - talking (and even today i don't use a smartphone - i got a PC for that). Later i even got Nokias Brick. Those 2 phones still work today. Sturdy tech is sturdy.
Aaron Leger Pennsylvania, here. It is around 15-17°C these days (springtime), although April usually has at least 2-5 days above 27° and then May is more of an incremental increase to our peak temps in July around 30° most days, peaking to a little over 37°. The flipside of that is winter temperatures down to -25°. Why do I live somewhere that has a temperature range of 60° (108°F for my fellow US Customary Units users)?
Well that doesn't sound to bad here the warmest I'll get regularly is 25 and that only like 5 days on the summer. Not even all the winter snow has melted till yesterday
Aaron Leger The issue I end up with is that just when your body gets used to a certain temperature extreme, the season changes, and you spend 2 out of 3 months acclimating to the new temps.
Its disgusting to see people using resistor dividers when a voltage regulator is required for a 15W LED light. In my University, most new people in Project Lab 1(Out of 5 project labs) the groups tend to use resistor dividers instead of voltage regulators AND optocouplers. We go through digilent Basys2 boards like candy because they do not protect the Basys2 boards, which do not seem to have any good input protection for the FPGA. The cost at the end of each semester tends to be close to $2500 to $5000 because people do not protect their FPGAs. A lot of graduates from India come to Texas Tech with no prior practical experience and I've seen them use breadboards in a microwave project. When you ask them what a simple component is, they are flabbergasted, which is why undergraduates run the stockroom, not graduates.
Some electronic, electric systems can really be sometimes really be defined by smell! -In my point of view. For example it is usually due to the glue, or some other chemicals used at the time. Of couse, human's smell reatasmce is a way lower, than for example of a dog's, but I do not know so much about difference on smell memory! -Have to dig into that some a day. For example my a good friend, an emgineer, and my good a reference-source on for example plasma-sputtering, always remembers his grandad, when he moves his writing-plastic-plate (or whatever it is in english) on his table. For his grandfather, or a father used to store his heart-remedence-powder-poce under of a such a thing. Somethings are such a way with me too. I always "smell" a bad cat's-piss, when I even see a Celestion-speaker. Due to the stink, that they used to stink even some ten years ago, when a package of one was opened. -And some Fane''s too. I do not mean, that this correlates with the quality.....
Thing about the LEDs - they should be running at 12V AC - these are for halogen replacements, in turn that makes it almost 17V, but yeah, this one is piss poor design.
Omg, I have a very similar HP convertable tablet, also with a apple-looking proprietary connector. Been looking for a connector to USB forever, but HP pretends it doesn't exist. Wonder if they're the same connector?
I'm probably wrong, but I thought the apple products took that non-proprietary connector "flipped" it around and made it proprietary. So that would make that connector that ASUS used non proprietary.
God dave is lucky, he gets some of the coolest stuff ever, and for free. I can only find one of those CPM's on ebay and it's over 500usd without shipping taken into account :( I'd never find anything neat like that around here either.
with out revealing to many details I have invented something like NVidia Gsink. I used some chokes the ground and a link between the the ground on the monitor wire and synced it up using that. Which works far better then vsinc does better then gsink to. I might send one out once I have a patent for it. I thought this was relevant to this channel cause of electronics and stuff. Maybe I will send on to eevblog for him to open.
My Facebook memories pointed out this was 2 years ago. How did you go with the Tablet Dave? Did you end up using the Annoy-A-Tron to prank anybody? I'll hunt around for another package to send you soon.
@51:45- HEY - NOVUS! My first calculator! Part of my The First Light Emitting Diodes Vlog! I still use it too....
Fran Blanche ...And no debouncing, so quick on the switches!
Fran Blanche My TI-30 likes to repeat numbers too, but I'm not sure if it's a debouncing issue or just a dirt and cruft issue. ^^
Thanks Dave, don't know why but this mail bag felt like one of the best I've seen from you. Must have something right! Enjoy the view looking forward to that bug sweeper teardown.
A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure.
About the LED stuff.
Poor thermal design makes temperature increase too much. This leads in VF of leds dropping, maybe by 3-4% for those LEDs at 70°C. Rectification diodes also drop VF. That leads to an increase of current since resistors are fixed. Another point is: you supply 12V from a bench PS, maybe the PS used to turn on those LEDs has higher voltage even staying in the declared tolerance. Looking at the datasheet I also see the VF of those LEDs can change by 0.7 volt between opposite bins but I hope at least they selected the right LEDs for that design.
CPZeroDue forgot the conclusion :) the more the heat, the more the current and the drop on resistors that go out of spec (besides derating with temperature). And a higher than 12V supply increases the problem
The connector on this bulb suggests that it will mostly be used in automotive applications. The fact that an ordinary car alternator keeps voltage as high as 15 volts just makes thing worse!
I can see a static decimal point calculator being useful in some situations. I'd want a '00' key though
Big thumbs up for the mini-troubleshooting segment in this mailbag!
Best mailbag in a long time. Swedish stuff, spy gear, weird parachuting electronics. Only thing missing was one or two more quick teardowns.
That counter surveillance piece of tech looks very interesting.
Indeed-it intrigues me!
Maylands Western Australia by the way :D
Glad you enjoyed my mailbag :)
You're in Maylands as well?
Yeah.. Freaky hey
Man, I really miss fundamental fridays and similar technical videos.
Antiath I just did one last week!
EEVblog Yes and I really appreciated this one. I didn't count the frequency of those type of videos but I get the feeling that they are less and less frequent. I only subscribed a year ago, so I may also be a bit biased.
EEVblog Time appears to slow down :D
excellent video Dave. I agree with you, those leds (5050 or 5060) are 60mA.
The iiNet modem brings back memories. I was one of the initial beta testers of that device, I had one of the non-wifi models. All of the beta units had a USB port which didn't actually do anything and couldn't be firmware upgraded due to some changes in the new firmware.
When the beta period ended we had to ring them up and they sent us out the production units free of charge. Still have that modem kicking around as a spare.
Modem noise eeeek! I had forgotten about that. I used to put tape over the speaker or stab it with a screwdriver.
My 1,5 year old daughter loves videos of people opening surprise eggs. It just occurred to me, that I'm no different.
I love mailbag videos.
I was going to sleep, but MAILBAG!
jorno1994 Go to sleep, the interwebs will still be there tomorrow.
Lol
EEVblog the bed too :P
Ultrathin and tablet type PCs aren't terribly easy to disassemble if you are uninitiated. Check iFixit and see if someone ventured before you to get a tear down. Sometimes the service manuals are leaked online that shows the breakdown procedure, and SOMETIMES the company doesn't have their head up their asses, and give access to to the end user for how to break down their product line.
Barring that they are almost always press fitted and you need to use a silicon spudge tool to separate the piece far enough to wedge a guitar pick in, and then you can roll the guitar pick around to complete the separation. It's super important to check for any screws that are holding the screen in place first.
I love that.. who is CSR , only Cambridge Silicon Radio. The largest Bluetooth RF designer in the world.
The burnt up leds are probably more because the original driver in the light fitting was made for halogen lamp at much higher watt, so the voltage is probably more like 16v when using it with leds. You almost always need to change the driver as well when changing to simple resistor dropper leds like these.
Those LED boards usually don't consider use in automotive applications. At 13.8 or 14.4V they will definitely cook ;)
Scott Henion
Yep. Gotta have a good regulated supply for them to work properly. It may be a good idea to put a 7812 in line with one.
Scott Henion Also I would think transients would be bad for them.
On a separate heatsink.
douro20 See dropout characteristic of 7812. For 13.8-14.4V range it will never act as a regulator. You should consider using LDO regulator instead (that would still be an overkill here, though).
Scott Henion My thoughts, as well. I saw that connector and immediately thought they are just cooking that board inside of a domelight enclosure. 14VDC plus transients, probably aging alternators pushing significant AC through, too.
you should totally get that bug sweeping device working!
Glad you found the receiver interesting!
It would be glorious to let us hear a sample of that cassette in the teardown!
That "proprietary" connector is actually a PDMI connector, which was a (failed) attempt at a new standard device connector.
Nick5435 It doesn't make it any less of a pain in the ass when you want to get a replacement for them. (Cheap ones on eBay last my partner about a month a pop, an official Asus one is over $30 each.)
CSR "Cambridge Silicon Radio" is one of the really big players in Bluetooth
I worked for an estate sale company just last year. I never want to see another casset tape/casset player, vhs tape/vhs player, crt television, or land-line phone for the rest of my life.
You can't give the crap away.
40:39 .... You should have smelled the inside of an electronic florescent ballast I tore down after it failed. It had significant arcing damage on the output (lamp) side. Smelled so horrible! Also, almost all the components were covered in a layer of soot. I've torn down similar models as well, and they all have the same failure ... I think it initiates from bad solder joints, as there are cracked solder joints all over the place! At least the ballast has a metal case ... not flammable plastic.
27:43 Should be CSR.
Hi Dave, I arrived on Monday into Sydney for my first trip down under on business. It has beeen raining cats and dogs for 3 days! I hope you managed to not get effected with all of the fallen trees and power outages. Always a fan. Mark
The back cover is clipped on the tablet (Transformer TF300T, I think). You need something flat to run along the seam.
As for getting it working, a simple re-flash (assuming the chips are still good) may revive it. There should be a few guides out there to do it.
I use a Hahnel unipal charger to charge up camera batteries-the W100 uses a NP-BG1/FG1 battery shared by various other Sonys
The tablet will not charge from 5V, whilst it appears to be a "standard" USB connector, there are "special" contacts buried in there which take, I think 15V from a "special" Asus charger.
OK, apparently that version WILL charge, likely very slowly from 5V USB, must've been an upgrade from the original versions.
Wohoo! My mailbag-item already arrived and opened!
Looks like i´ll be buying another fluke DMM then, when both of them reads out the same, I´ll be confident that the reading actually is correct.
Thanks for the best vblog!
Regards from Anders in Sweden.
Dave, if you fancy turning that Cypres on at some point, press the red button and then wait for the LED to turn on. Then press the button again, wait for the LED. Etc. After 3 times it does a init seq.
Another fabulous mailbag!
Re. the Raspberry Pi I/O Hat, I'd add that that PCB makers don't like indent ink being screened over holes/vias as it forms a blob on the underside of the screen and ends up making a mess on a PCB, which then has to be cleaned up.
That's an ASUS Transformer...not sure of the generation based on the colour; looks like a TF201; tegra 2 processor
Edit: Reason for the stupid proprietary cable: When it handshakes between the charger and the tablet it boosts up to 15V2A mode to provide significantly more power than a standard usb charger.
Edit-2: the proprietary connector is also so there is a more robust connection between the keyboard (batterY) and the tablet; it's semi-mechanical at that size where as if they used mini-usb aligning it would be a pain in the ass.
frollard I think it's not only an ASUS connector. There's one of these on my Samsung Tablet. I think it is called PDMI (Portbale Digital Media Interface)
ablackack That one is sadly proprietary to ASUS...samsung has ANOTHER stupid connector. (have them both)
frollard Ahh. OK. I didn't know this. Looked exactly the same
frollard Dave asked for a secondary charger connector like mini or micro usb additionally to the asus connector. Or just the got old barrel connector. Dave would had been happy with the asus connector + standard connector. I mean: As a system engineer he should know that this as cost to the BOM, that the user will plug two barely specified chargers in at the same time etc. but then again: Carrying a set of cables can not be the best solution to this problem. (But then again: A few years ago, we had to carry one wall wart with 50/60 Hz transformer around for each and every device - using USB on the charger side of the cable is quite some progress)
CSR on the bluetooth headphone adapter would be Cambridge Silicon Radio. They're a huge manufacturer of Bluetooth chips.
Just watched this and when you read the date 1988, when I graduated High School and with your BTTF shirt on I just had to load all 3 movies to watch before bedtime. Watching your videos which are great sure does bring back fond memories. What can I say but I AM A NERD!
James Moates I suspect everyone here is a nerd :->
27:25 Based on the size of the battery, you could probably throw it a decent distance.
I just about lost it when you said Cookeville, TN... Thats where I'm from!
If you pop one of these LED replacement lamps into an older fixture that was designed for a halogen bulb, that fixture can drive the lamp at much more than the nominal 12 volts. Halogen fixtures often have a completely unregulated AC power supply (just a transformer) sized so that it will provide a nominal 12 volts into a 20 watt (or 50 watt) load. But that transformer might provide 16 volts into the much smaller load of an LED lamp, because there will be far less resistive loss in the transformer’s secondary winding. Since the LEDs themselves are constant voltage devices, all of the extra voltage will appear across the dropping resistor, so at 16v minus 9v for the three LEDs in series that’s 7 volts across the resistor. 7 volts squared / 91 ohms = 0.5 watts. Now we see why those resistors might overheat.
About the LED - it might have been run from a 12v ac, with 17v peaks and lots of flicker
There was a method where you'd turn off all power at the breaker box and then you'd use one of those probes for electric circuit analysis, can't remember exactly what the trick was. Supposedly you could do the detection on the cheap.
Using a bridge rectifier will also increase the voltage of the DC output by a small factor. So thing should go even more worse for the LEDs. I think there are a lot of small things come together for these cheap produced lamps to go off like wrong connected capacitor.
The tablet is annoying to open since they like gluing everything, but there are teardown tutorials. There is a risk of cracking the screen during the teardown, as it has to be pried off.
Razor2048 Thanks for the heads-up.
Razor2048 Just pry off the edges of the tablet.. very simple. Nothing was glued on mine.
Did Dave just date something by smell
Dee Jay Right.. that was awesome.
Dee Jay that's one of the special powers we tech nerds have
Dee Jay Yes, I did. It is a master level electronics Jedi skill.
EEVblog He takes after The Nose himself, Qui Gon Jinn. XD
Dee Jay Or he went "back in time" :o
It's a Cypres 2. So it is a newer version. That is an expert version it will fire at 750 ft. It opens the reserve. I have not seen the other teardown :-)
when the screen went black and that horrible modem sound started. my heart skipped a beat. that scared me! I thought that I broke my computer.
I love your vids Dave but where are the teardowns, the mailbag segment is fantastic but you haven't done a tear down Tuesday in quite some time
Mike Fish I know, I've got a few big ones coming up. And by big I mean it can't fit in the lab, will have to tear down in the bunker.
EEVblog What have you got? I'm guessing a VAX 9000. :D
I think he has been mailed a large control panel from the defunct NASA space shuttle. ;)
Tangobaldy If it wasn't for the ";)" I would have taken that as a possibility :D
EEVblog And where's my Ice cream? it's starting to get hot here. C'mon, viewer service and all that.
CSR=Cambridge Silicon Research, a leading low cost BT solution provider.
CSR, Cambridge Silicon Radio - one of the biggest players in Bluetooth (at least before the advent of BLE, where TI has a good market share)
Longer is better, anyone who says otherwise is in denial.
9:42 Knowing it was specifically used by and designed for the same gov who said it's in violation of federal laws, that make a pretty good example of double standards
The warning related to using the technology to try and conceal an illicit listening device. It is perfectly legal to use such a device to detect and locate listening devices within your private property (or otherwise private space, such as a hotel room or office).
That said, intentional eavesdropping is perfectly legal in some states provided that there is at least one party (to the conversation) consenting to such recording. In other states all may need to consent. Regardless, such is potentially legal in public areas if there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. And, of course, listening devices are perfectly legal if there is a court order authorizing their use for evidence gathering.
But when it rises to the level of nation state sponsored espionage then all is out the window as most every nation state spies on the next, and that is often not such a bad thing as spying has often made all the difference between nations going to war over misunderstandings of intent versus seeking a more peaceful diplomatic solution.
6 digits and a fixed decimal point at two digits is a pretty limited display. i wonder
if there actually are sliderulers with display, sort of 5 function caliper.
Dave, fix that bug sweeper. Same model (but from "KJB" now) goes for $2600 new on Amazon!
For the LEDs its for a car which might get 14volts when a car is running or battery on charge, imagine the current and the heat generated in 14 volts instead in this case, surely will exceed 70c by far.
We had a different modem/router-a Alcatel Speedtouch-(the greenish one) modem when my dad changed his Ozemail account to ADSL.
I have a wifi router hacked to incorporate a microphone and transmit both trough VoIP and separate 5GHz wifi network. Both are accessible trough the router's setup website. It has a hidden button on the site that opens the options for the microphone. It's a TP-Link branded one. Looks like it's an original one hacked to do more stuff.
1st mailbag u opened on this video looks similar to the one in the film "Blow Out"
That device at around 34 minutes - FRAD as we know em here in the U.S. Frame Relay Access Device.
EEVblog : (LED bulb) I'm pretty sure that was plugged over 12V AC so it's not the same .... As you known, this will raise the current to ~75mA peak (25% over current @100Hz)
If they are run on 12VAC (RMS) then they will only have a short period of conduction on each cycle when the voltage actually exceeds the forward drop of the 5 series diodes (2 in bridge plus 3 LEDs) that make up each string (with 9 sets of LED strings in parallel). So, while their will be greater peak current draw there will also be considerable periods with little to no current draw (as there are no filter capacitors to smooth things over). Besides, 12VACrms will still have the same average forward power as 12VDC to the extent that the load appears resistive (not perfectly resistive, but largely so).
Regardless, it was still lousy thermal design -- all that room on the board for large copper fills and they wasted it all by etching nearly all the copper away, losing a good heatsink in the process! Copper fills on a PCB can dissipate a good deal of heat when properly exploited (plus it is otherwise free surface area).
Ethan Poole You seems to think you signal is still a sinus, it's not anymore due to the bridge rectifier. So 12 VAC RMS is not what the LED + resistor dissipate, it's a lot more when the current is rectified.
The Galaxy Tab 2 also use an ipod like charge cord.
I wish I could find the calculator my parents had growing up so I could send it to you. It was a large four-banger as you say. It had a Montgomery Wards badge on. I'm not sure who actually made it, but it was the only calculator I have ever seen that had a segmented display that used an incandescent bulb as a back light to make the characters visible. I wonder if you have ever seen a display like that before.
Lol when he got the letter with the furry.
"Not really into... hockey... things".
snowden mentioned that routers have had eves dropping software installed for surveillance of the public. It would be great for you to come across evidence of this during a teardown.
Asus isn't the only brand to use unusual connectors-My Dell Streak 7 tablet uses a proprietary PDMI type connector for charging.
I have that ASUS tablet and keyboard combo. Love it. What Dave doesn't get is that this tablet charges on 15VDC. NOT 5VDC. This thing charges to full in about an hour and the charge lasts for hours. It runs rings around other Samsung or Apple tablets friends and family have when it comes to charging. It also has Tegra video. The tradeoff is justified IMO for the function and performance. I travel with mine in place of a regular laptop.
Well,now,that's interesting. I recall seeing a cassette with a very similar label,in my childhood. I vaguely recall seeing one of those plug-pack sensor/probe things too.
That Asus thing is weird. "TekThing" just showed this in a recent episode. Really goofy charging and stuff.
there will be a way of charging the tablet and the keyboard dock has its own charger and is supposed to boot the running time on the tablet itselfe. I actualy have allot of the batteries as I repair or scrap these for people. The best charger I can sugest is the Samsung Calaxy type as they match perfect for Amperage and voltage.
Those connectors aren't proprietary. Its a 30 pin data connector. Apple chose to do it with their tablets and iPods to keep the port end agnostic to the standard it was connected to, because back in the day it could have been connected to firewire, or USB. Also, USB sucks sucks sucks. At least until the 4.0 standard comes out and we can finally get plugs that can be reversed.
This CPM-700 audio monitor sounds very interesting. I am interested how it works.
Those LED's aren't UL listed for sure. --> FIRE!
Is there any chance that you will rip the tape for the bug sweeper? Might sound strange, but I would love to hear it.
I hear you guys are getting quite the storm over there. Hope all is well if you're in that area!
Lets Play With Electricity The bathrooms in a EEVblog tower are inundated from leaking outside vents, but apart from that my local area survived well.
EEVblog Bathrooms? Mate, it's a dunny!
EEVblog Good to hear! Can't have anything getting in the way of Teardown Tuesday!!
Under the heatsink of the wireless router, it's probably not a custom ASIC. I'd guess it is a standard ARM or MIPS SoC from Marvell or Atheros or Broadcom. Most of those routers run Linux or VxWorks.
That would be my expectation too. The bandwidth on these devices isn't all that great to begin with so little need for high performance Ethernet frame switching and routing ASICs, they would get a much greater boost from an ASIC that accelerates encrypting and decrypting the packets.
Hey! I think I know why you weren't finding a problem with the light. You're running under the assumption that the power going into them is actually 12v. I would put $5 down that whatever was feeding those lights were actually well over 12v or possibly even 12v AC. If those lights were run on a slightly over voltage power supply the problem would escalate quite quickly.
A Nokia-Teardown?
Watch out to not drop it or it might break your bench.
My first mobile-phone was a used Nokia. While i saw some classmates using way more modern phones, i only used it for well - talking (and even today i don't use a smartphone - i got a PC for that). Later i even got Nokias Brick.
Those 2 phones still work today. Sturdy tech is sturdy.
The Bluetooth chip in the remote is from CSR and they are in many different bluetooth devices. They are a pretty large company www.csr.com.
6:35 HOLY shit, I studied in Cookeville, TN!!!! Thats awesome ;)
16°C isn't chill dave, that's almost room temperature! And that is a laptop, not a transformer.. (just kiddin').
16 DEGREES IS CHILLY TO YOU - JESUS
ITS 15 HERE AND ITS THE WARMEST DAY IN MONTHS IT STILL GOES DOWN TO ONE AT NIGHT
Aaron Leger Welcome to Sydney.
Aaron Leger Pennsylvania, here. It is around 15-17°C these days (springtime), although April usually has at least 2-5 days above 27° and then May is more of an incremental increase to our peak temps in July around 30° most days, peaking to a little over 37°.
The flipside of that is winter temperatures down to -25°.
Why do I live somewhere that has a temperature range of 60° (108°F for my fellow US Customary Units users)?
Well that doesn't sound to bad here the warmest I'll get regularly is 25 and that only like 5 days on the summer. Not even all the winter snow has melted till yesterday
Aaron Leger The issue I end up with is that just when your body gets used to a certain temperature extreme, the season changes, and you spend 2 out of 3 months acclimating to the new temps.
Its disgusting to see people using resistor dividers when a voltage regulator is required for a 15W LED light. In my University, most new people in Project Lab 1(Out of 5 project labs) the groups tend to use resistor dividers instead of voltage regulators AND optocouplers. We go through digilent Basys2 boards like candy because they do not protect the Basys2 boards, which do not seem to have any good input protection for the FPGA. The cost at the end of each semester tends to be close to $2500 to $5000 because people do not protect their FPGAs.
A lot of graduates from India come to Texas Tech with no prior practical experience and I've seen them use breadboards in a microwave project. When you ask them what a simple component is, they are flabbergasted, which is why undergraduates run the stockroom, not graduates.
That cpm-700 counter surveillance is worth like $2,000 usd
Some electronic, electric systems can really be sometimes really be defined by smell! -In my point of view. For example it is usually due to the glue, or some other chemicals used at the time. Of couse, human's smell reatasmce is a way lower, than for example of a dog's, but I do not know so much about difference on smell memory! -Have to dig into that some a day. For example my a good friend, an emgineer, and my good a reference-source on for example plasma-sputtering, always remembers his grandad, when he moves his writing-plastic-plate (or whatever it is in english) on his table. For his grandfather, or a father used to store his heart-remedence-powder-poce under of a such a thing. Somethings are such a way with me too. I always "smell" a bad cat's-piss, when I even see a Celestion-speaker. Due to the stink, that they used to stink even some ten years ago, when a package of one was opened. -And some Fane''s too. I do not mean, that this correlates with the quality.....
Was anybody else secretly hoping that the pyro charge would go off while he was talking about it having no chance of going off???
EEVblog Did you have any luck with my Tablet? Pretty sure it's bricked.. but if it works, then happy that Saigan has a new toy :)
Dave you don't think that it was a power surge that got those leds?
Maybe the lamps plug into a 12Vac desk light
Hi dave, did you cracked open a haltech or a motec automotive ECU? or maybe a honda ecu's from the 90's?
thanks!
Moshik Galimidi He got one in an older episode of mailbag, but they're really uninteresting inside.
EEVblog Would you upload scans of that user manual and content of that casette, please? ;-)
That's not a knife, now *THIS* is a KNIFE!
Thing about the LEDs - they should be running at 12V AC - these are for halogen replacements, in turn that makes it almost 17V, but yeah, this one is piss poor design.
Wow, these things(CPM-700) are going for 2500$!
have that same transformer, it's likely bricked from a failed custom firmware install (happened to me...)
commandtheline Yup.. thats why I sent it in. Pity, it was quite handle travelling around Europe with it.
Omg, I have a very similar HP convertable tablet, also with a apple-looking proprietary connector. Been looking for a connector to USB forever, but HP pretends it doesn't exist. Wonder if they're the same connector?
I'm probably wrong, but I thought the apple products took that non-proprietary connector "flipped" it around and made it proprietary. So that would make that connector that ASUS used non proprietary.
God dave is lucky, he gets some of the coolest stuff ever, and for free. I can only find one of those CPM's on ebay and it's over 500usd without shipping taken into account :( I'd never find anything neat like that around here either.
Cooling in those chinese led-thingies can be really, really bad.
I've had a few dome lights that just after 30-60 seconds go disco-lights on me.
with out revealing to many details I have invented something like NVidia Gsink. I used some chokes the ground and a link between the the ground on the monitor wire and synced it up using that. Which works far better then vsinc does better then gsink to. I might send one out once I have a patent for it. I thought this was relevant to this channel cause of electronics and stuff. Maybe I will send on to eevblog for him to open.
My Facebook memories pointed out this was 2 years ago. How did you go with the Tablet Dave? Did you end up using the Annoy-A-Tron to prank anybody?
I'll hunt around for another package to send you soon.