🔴Was I WRONG about Fallout? | [OFFICE HOURS] Podcast 119
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- A "friendly" session of peer review between science-y TH-cam channels.
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*Things I was wrong about:* Chernobyl isn't right outside of Ukraine it's right outside of Belarus. I made that mistake because the train you take to get there briefly crosses the Belarusian border.
Tritium can be a fusion bomb fuel. I was initially thinking of nuclear reactors.
Tritium IS Fusion (Bomb) Fuel!
I seem to remember that tritium has to be kept cryogenically cooled in a liquid form to be used as a bomb fuel.. So its been technically obsolete since the 1950's..
This was a game of “technically…” 😂 I agree both of you are right, while brew was technically correct it’s still a useless rule.
Happy to see you responding to this i love watching harmless drama and i love watching my favorite science creators practicing science things "Respect Regained".
Love ya, but a simple map check would have stopped your SIMPLE GEOGRAPHICAL error. Tighten up, you or/and crew. A train ride does not justify this mistake, and in fact, the exact opposite, as a person who rode that train, and looked at the POSTED DIRECTORIES, can show.
Advice on nuclear safety being wrong in Fallout seems very in lore accurate.
Honestly, this.
Came here to say something similar. It is important info that people should get right, and I hate to be the one to say it, but - IT'S A F*CKING VIDEO GAME W/ A TV ADAPTATION. lol it feels silly that we're trying to battle scientific misinformation on the sci-fi fantasy front. Pretty soon all sci-fi game/show/movie titles will need to be peer-reviewed xD
It is reminiscent of the old timey Duck & Cover PSAs that the US gov't used to release which tricked people into thinking that a nuclear war is survivable.
16 times the inaccuracy
Tbh, at least in the show, it's more like a dark joke than military advice, again the rule goes "if it's smaller run for your life, if it's bigger don't bother", so basically it's just run for your life if you didn't die already
5:20 start. 16:30 topic start
Rule of thumb.... Hold your arm up, If you still see a thumb that is attached and not burning, life could be worse.
People saying you’re “getting tilted” when you’re just passionately assembling your rebuttal is the MOST ANNOYING. Like sorry you aren’t energized by information synthesis and debate jeez
strongly disagree , he is visible tilted, and its incredible arrogant the way he spoke... he paused the video without letting the video finish the sentence, he "corrected" things the video explains a few seconds later and he immediately assumed direct criticism and intentions that dont even exist. "he thinks i dont use the same source..." wtf, he never said anything that could be interpreted that way... he IS malding, not only that, ive seen kyle debating before, he knows how to debate and explain things, on this video, kyle is clearly stressed.
What I'm getting from the Kyle v Brew debate is:
Kyle: Check if the 'rule of thumb' is valid at known variables, which happens to be several minutes after the explosion - observed or not
Brew: Check if the 'rule of thumb' is valid as soon as the explosion has been observed, the sooner the better, though the variables at that time are not concretely known.
Fallout 4 does have a realism mod that when the nuke goes off at the beginning of the game you die and get a game over.
The rule of thumb in Kyle Hill's debate arena is:
If it sounds arrogant, but you're right, you're right.
so what i learned today is:
The Rule of Shockwave, if the Shockwave passed and you still Breathe you were indeed safe
The bombs int he TV series were *ground burst* or extremely low height air burst, because they left enormous _excavated_ craters, not merely the simple "pancake" of say the Trinity test. Many of the bombs were "small" 20 to 700kilotons, very few were megaton sized
Also the weapons were often detonated low to create maximum fallout and physical damage (huge craters), making repair/recovery much harder, it was intended not merely for basic destruction, but long term to end the enemy civilization, recovery being severely hampered
unless im remembering wrong, I don't believe we ever see the craters left by the nukes at the beginning of the show. the only craters we see are the ones left by the much later bombing of Shady Sands, which we don't know the size, power, exact locations, etc, so the only ones compared here are the ones we see which very likely could still be air burst.
@@just_ben1789 #1 in the games there are many craters :)
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#2 the crater in front of the observatory you can see in episode #8, was the fourth (last) explosion show in episode #1
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#3 air bursts, even low air bursts don't create deep, steep sided craters
It's more like a pancake or somewhat excavated pancake, i.e. a flattened cylinder of "glassed" materials
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See the "Sedan Crater" for a deep explosion, or the ones in the Soviet test site
The "big" US devices were tested in atolls so their craters were filled in by sand and water so you don't really get true scale
@@silverbladeTE fair enough, I may have to rewatch episode 8. I was also basing entirely on the series, it's been too long since I've played the games to accurately remember anything like that
@@just_ben1789 No worries! :)
Anyone know why kyle got banned from a nuclear sub reddit? Was it for dropping truth bombs?
He did a stream about it
'cause he's a dirty "Nukecel", duh.
People long for voluntary psychosis, especially on the small corners of the internet.
Longer story: Kyle thought it was a pro-nuclear subreddit and posted on it, but it was actually hijacked by anti-nuclear forces and for some reason they don't like arguing against Nuclear energy production based on evidence.
So they banned him and any one that asked why he was banned or thought the mods made an over step.
There was even one guy that wanted him to "go to a farm upstate" and the fact it was not downvoted to oblivion makes it clearly obvious that that specific subreddit had people who desired the mental comfort of cultish dogma because reason dies if you're terminally online, probably.
I dunno, wait for a video essay
The short version is that subreddit has been taken over by anti-nuclear mods
In NBC training they trained us to, in the case of no cover, face the flash, drop in a line towards the flash in hopes that our helmet would deflect some of the shockwave and possibly the heat wave.
And we were told odds are the blast would kill us, but before we die we could still complete objectives.
Australian here: You don’t need to worry about koalas dropping on your head and eating your brains. What you should worry about instead is koalas dropping on your head and giving you chlamydia. I’m only partially kidding about this.
Also, Australian accent is very good. People would probably be surprised to learn that Australia has a spectrum of accents, so we don’t all sound like Crocodile Dundee, but some of us do.
Koalas dont have ‘the clap’. But the bacterial infection, Chlamydia, is a big problem for Koala populations. Whereas the ‘the clap’ is a colloquial term for Gonorrhea, also a bacterial infection. But Koalas are not carriers of Gonorrhea. Therefore Koalas cannot give you the clap by falling out of a tree, nor any such other way.
@@bbbnuy3945 Honestly, I got my wires crossed and thought “the clap” meant chlamydia, not gonorrhoea, my bad. I’ve edited my comment so it’s correct now. Thank you.
@@anhedonicauthor no problem, its actually a common misconception. i work in healthcare and see this frequently
Thumb rule is in fact correct for "general use" as an estimation tool for soldiers. Its taught at the Nuke portion of Chemical Officer Basic Course (where the army trains Nuke Bio Chem warfare officers). The course is exhaustive and yes, actual rad calcs, blast radius, stem yeild estimation, downwind hazard, troop exposure and mortality tables etc is all taught. But the thumb rule is generally accurate for troops . We teach them to minimize exposure but if the device has already gone off it is helpful. Obviously if youre inside the impact zone or thermal wall...well...kiss your ass goodbye but it can help troops not to panic and flee or go off mission when they arent in immediate danger.
No one in the military taught a CBR officer the "rule of thumb" because it's untrue and unreliable. It doesn't work for the average soldier. There are a million factors including wind, neutron emissions, etc. that have nothing to do with the cloud size.
No CBR officer would advise people to stand up and hold their thumb up. Soldiers and Marines need to immediately don their CBR gear after they've taken shelter. If they were looking in the general direction of the blast they're blind anyway.
Essentially what I'm getting from this, Kyle Hill is correct in that for someone to be safe from a nuclear blast, which he defined as no harm to the body, the rule of thumb doesn't work. If you define safe as "not killed immediately" the rule of thumb does work. But again, it seems to me the primary purpose of the rule of thumb is entirely psychological rather than physical. If you see a mushroom cloud then you aren't dead and the rule of thumb just basically says yup, you aren't dead yet and the chances of death are smaller than if the cloud is larger than your thumb. But ya know, you are still really close and will experience various bodily harm. The rule is just there to help you not freak out.
Firefighters also use it with hazardous materials spills until the chemical and size of the scene is determined, including nuclear material
Fallouts if it's larger then you thumb don't bother running makes it extremely obvious it's referring to a survivable range not a safe range so kyle is definitely the one ignoring the parameters given even if his math is accurate he's parameters aren't those set.
I was an Army chemical officer too, when did you graduate CBOLC?
To preface this I’ve always had a massive amount of respect for you and your work.
I have to say i feel like him saying it’s hard to keep facts straight all of the time is 100% valid, he didnt disput ANY facts from your video, but the guy’s gotta write a concise conclusion to his video explaining why he, with his limited nuclear knowledge can make a video with a claim contrary to yours.
I dont feel like it’s fair to call brew out for P-HACKING. He was essentially saying you did the same by picking a cloud state that would give the fallout rule a more unfavourable outcome. I understand the reason you chose that value. But Brew was correct in saying you could have picked a better one. He then proceeded to also pick a crappy value, but like you, he had to pick one for his video.
Seeing the process of selecting a new timeframe and explaining why it’s still useless under any timeframe were very helpful to me, and I likely never would’ve seen it if he hadn’t made his video.
I guess i just dont understand the hard tilt and terminology flexing that preceded the information treasures. 99.9999% of people will never use that in their lifetimes.
As well as calling him out on saying “assuming” It’s not a fact. It is an assumption. Everyone has a different sized thumb, and a different length arm. It will all be approximately 10 degrees, so we just assume it’s 10 instead of calculating our own exact value.
I guess I’m writing this in hopes to convince you that assuming no mal-intent will help you in these situations. I (and many others likely) am here for the juicy science response.
Thank you for my education Nuclear Zaddy. Much love.
Completely agree with everything you said, kyle was malding hard.
I'll just say the same thing that I said in your video before, Kyle. The rule of thumb isn't valid if I jam it into my eyehole. "Is that rising radioactive cloud bigger than my thumb?" "MY EYE!!!!! Hey, I can't see it any more. I'm sa-" [WASTED]
But the rebuttal, not yours, is completely flawed because they're assuming everything is instantaneous and at it's maximum. 18 seconds INTO the explosion, meaning there's more of the explosion to follow. If I apply the rule of thumb at -0:50 seconds from the detonation, I can deduce I'm absolutely safe at the exact point of detonation. Doesn't mean I'm correct 50 seconds later, so the fact they're trying to coerce data by twisting information and variables (P hacking as you called it) is more dangerous than anything. Pretty sure that's how misinformation gets spread. Like "Eating 12 avocados every day cleanses and detoxes your body completely." Nothing proves that other than the consumption of avocados can provide some more short term to long term benefits. But immediate over consumption would probably have an immediate placebo followed by short term consequences. But all that purging you'll be doing from both ends will really "cleanse and detox" your body from everything including necessary nutrients.
Last bit, "surviving" a nuclear blast is a very VERY strange science. I only bring that up because you have Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the Bikini Atoll, but then you also have Operation Plumbbob John, the infamous air-to-air 2kt nuke test where 5 officers and a photographer stood at effective ground zero (below the detonation point) unprotected and witnessed the blast and survived with "no harm" done to them. No harm being nothing immediate. Irradiation is a different story, but like burns or anything like that, nothing. There's video footage of it, which is the crazy part. So again, the "science" of surviving a nuclear blast is confusing.
Perfectly put, and why it's reasonable to point Brew was P-hacking even if without the intention to P-hack, because science is hard and tricky like that. Brew found one configuration of parameters and one moment in a hypothetical scenario where the rule does give a correct positive but it is sadly a broken clock at the right time
If you write a book about science communication, I would 100% read it.
The only way Kyle will know if he really should write the book is, truly writing the book. Only then could you answer the question.
WRITE THE BOOK!!!
@@kwisin1337 I feel like the longer he takes to write it, the worse and worse he's proving his science COMMUNICATION skills. It's like a paradox at this point. If he does and it's bad, then he's bad at the topic, but if he takes too long and it's good, it kind of feels like he's still bad at the topic.
THIS MUSIC IS ALWAYS BANGING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really gets me ready for work!
Horror story -
I was training in a gym in the Hague in the teens in a school building, by the name of Sport2005, run by the Great Iron Willem. Loved the guy. There was a sauna there. So at a saturday night Willem's handyman decided to grab himself a sauna, alone in the gym. What the guy didn't know was that the door jammed. Willem found what was left of the guy monday morning early. The remains weighed 20-odd kilos and the floor was covered with a peculiar viscous slime.
A gelatinous mass, if you will.
I am so happy Kyle is bringing this podcast back. It's so informative and fun to listen to
'Turned into physics' might be the most terrifying sentence ever uttered in a casual setting.
If we're talking about fallout, Nukemap has an option for fallout right there. And playing with it shows that the area affected depends on the wind direction and windspeed, so any rule would have more to do with observing the weather. Nothing to do with thumbs, but more to do with moving crosswind if you're downwind or to the side, or _further_ upwind if you're upwind.
Edit: Or, you know, getting into your sealed shelter and staying there for a month.Or thirty years, whatever.
That "rule of thumb" was also taught to someone who was at war and expected to be wearing power armour while fighting that war.
So it might be a guideline for how safe someone wearing power armour would be if they stick their thumb up and not really applicable to unarmoured humans.
That’s an EXTREMELY good point. PA is basically immune to rads but isn’t invincible to concussive force, so someone in PA could survive much closer to a mushroom cloud than the average person, but not IN the actual explosion or close shockwave. It makes complete sense sense that while others are panicking, PA wearers would be more empowered to assess their actual safety, and if they are too close jetpacking away does seem like a better shot at survival than running, even though the Jetpack is still slow.
But weren't the thumbs of PA gloves larger then the operator? I doubt they'd take their gauntlets off just to stick up a thumb...also unsure of the amount of articulation in PA gauntlet fingers.
That's the dumbest take so far. You can't outfit every footsoldier with power-armor, no fucking way even with nuclear simplification, the cost would be astronomical, we can barely outfit troops with flak-plates, so why would you teach general grunt a thumbs up trick that only helps if he's wearing power-armor which he most likely will not?
If you're wearing power-armor it doesn't matter because the whole point of them is to be able to shrug off anything that's not a direct nuclear blast, including the rads.
Not to mention the differences in people themselves when it comes to vision, thumb-size, height, etc...
Are you British? If you are in America, we spell it armor
@@Medabee8 canada
is anyone here forgetting about fallout? (not the series)
when you actually watch the scene cooper said "you dont bother to run" this implies that he likely is talking about the radioactive fallout, and this is also confirmed by the real rule of thumb taught in NBC school that tries to estimate if you are in danger of down wind fallout.
the SOP for soldiers in nuclear war is duck and cover until the blast passed them, after that you then should figure out what to do next, and here a estimate of your dangers to fallout is really nice.
Tritium doesn't itself glow. The charged particles it releases make a phosphor glow. Tritium lights are basically radiation powered fluorescent lamps.
Literally, not just basically. Any kind of radiation is the power source.
I think the point that drives it home is that the only person in fallout using the thumb trick is a child. No one else. Love you kyle.
39:00 So I'd make a couple nit picks here, first that if it says you aren't safe when you are, the model is just conservative, which when it comes to safety, isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Second, my understanding of the rule of thumb was always about fallout, never about the actual blast. If you are too close during the blast itself, you aren't going to be able to do anything about it anyways, so it wouldn't make sense to have a rule to help with it. You are best off hunkering down during the initial phases of the blast, and it doesn't really matter what a rule of thumb tells you. If you were too close, you will know based on the burns, trauma from debris, or being a tiny bit dead.
It takes upward of an hour for the worst of the fallout to start, but you can wait until the cloud takes 5 or 10 minutes to develop (I'm not 100% sure when the model would theoretically be best for) before getting out of your safe place to check. You'd then check the rule of thumb, and (assuming it was accurate) determine whether you needed to leave your current spot due to fallout concerns over the next few hours and days. (And your current location might very well have been somewhere where there *was* damage, you just happened to not get the worst of it.)
I'm not sure what would constitute "safe" from the fallout, and it might very well vary wildly with wind conditions, which might make the rule not quite so useful without some kind of a qualifying statement about being up- or down-wind, but the rule at least would be something to apply after the fact to check whether your current location was still safe or not.
Someone asked, why is glass transparent and you answered way to simply... It's far cooler than what you said. The only reason I know about it is because I came across it in a Richard Feynman lecture.... And here's the fun part. If what you said was true, then glass would have the same level of transparency all the way through no matter the thickness of the glass, but it isn't. The next thought is that the thicker the glass, the less transparent it is... but this is also wrong because glass changes how transparent it is based on how thick it is switching back and forth.
A couple of thoughts:
The main way humans dump heat is through evaporating sweat - evaporating a certain amount of water takes as much heat energy as heating it by almost 10K (18F). The higher the humidity, the harder it is to get water to evaporate, so the harder it is to dump heat that way.
A simple test anyone with hands at the ends of both arms and reasonable motor control can do to determine the rough angular height of your fist at arm's length is to start with one arm hanging straight down and one-potato two-potato stack your fists around the arc at arm's length until one arm is straight up, counting as you go. I get about 20 fists to cover the 180 degree arc, which would be 9 degrees per fist - which is pretty close to the 10 degree rule of thumb. If it were 30 degrees, then it would be 6 stacked fists to go from straight down to straight up (or 7 depending on whether you're counting starting with the centerline of your fist straight down to centerline straight up, or bottom straight down to top straight up) which is way outside the error for my measurement.
Mostly I came away from this wondering what sort of curves we'd see for things like:
1. Bomb yield versus time for the blast wave to pass you at "not getting burned" distance. The not getting burned will surely be inverse square versus the yield. I don't have any idea what the blast wave speed curve actually looks like.
2. Per yield graph of the rise height of the mushroom cloud (i.e. not *assuming* a linear progression, but if that's what it is, fair enough).
Then see if there are any bomb yields where this rule would work.
If it's never going to work, case closed.
If it would only work for a narrow range of bomb yields then unless you somehow *know* the bombs being dropped are in that range the rule is trash. Also note that if it's a narrow range then on one side this rule makes you think you're safe when you're not, and on the other side think you're not safe when you are, so it's mostly trash.
Any 'proper' rule/calculation for this is going to get too complicated very quickly and just not be practical. i.e. some measurement of the initial flash, combined with an estimate of distance from the blast, maybe still doing this "wait for the blast wave to pass" thing, or maybe now you do something like wait a minute (noting if you think the blast wave will be due around that time), measure the apparent cloud height and do the calculation.
I think practically if you're not instantly burned to hell then you bunker down against the blast wave and then get on with what seems the most practical.
The point of the rule of thumb, given the context of a soldier, the "safe" distance is the distance that you'd be too compromised to fight. So... that means that it isn't concerned with radiation but unless it kills you on the spot. What it is concerned with is the heat... and it is closer than purely no damage.
it is "Non-lethal" heat damage... that won't incapacitate a soldier immediately... And then you also have to taken into consideration, this is a rule given to people piloting futuristic mech suits that have ways to cool the pilot.... So... this rule of thumb is survival advice for someone that is going to be "safe" much closer. It is not general safety advice, so its best not to construe it as if it is.
Why is the Nuclear radii of damage centred on Washington, when Bethesda is right there?
1:02:08 C'mon Kyle! *Deuterium* is Heavy Water, not Tritium!! Tritium is usually in its Gaseous form when used in Nucular Veapons! Tritium is usually found Very Close to the _"Physics Package"_ in a state Constantly feeding/pumping Tritium Gas into the Centre of the 'Pit' or Specific Locations within the Physics Package depending on the Variant of Bomb!
Deuterium *Oxide is heavy water. Don't forget the oxygen. Deuterium itself is hydrogen nuclei with neutron and proton. However, you're partially correct because its abundance is in water 😅 oh the little details. Cheers bro!
I'm going to look up tritium now, because I'm curious about it now
Kyle as a fellow guitar player listen Leon Todd’s channel. He’s from Australia and will give you a good example of the accent and you hear some cool metal and see stuff on awesome gear
1:12:20 Around this mark, you mention waves in the ocean as compared to 3D waves. What I think the guy is talking about is how a wave in 3D could look from a 4D perspective. Or maybe how a wave in the ocean is technically a 3-dimensional wave, but it's kinda just a 2D wave when the scale is big enough? Sorry if I'm being an ass here, I don't have a degree in anything.
Thinking about writing the book on Sci-Comm, have you thought about working with Dr. Simon Clark? He comes from atmospheric physics and climate science, and is a fellow award winning science communicator. If not on a book, maybe a video? He's good people.
I would watch that. Simon is great. It might be cool to see other people as well.
So when scientists say fireball they mean an actual ball of fire, that's actually cool af
Kyle should just start his new character arc as Brew's mentor, he's amazing at it and it's somehow more interesting seeing him teach someone else
Out of curiosity, is there a way we could modify the rule of thumb to work? Like your pointer to ring finger instead of a thumb?
according to the military people talking in the comments, it does work.
Earth is one nuclear weapons conspiracy away from turning into a frozen ball of dust
I'd love for you to collaborate on your book with Randall Monroe of XKCD
An exchange of nuclear weapons is just MAD
A lot of people thinking he's getting upset or mad or "tilted" while he's defending his point is really a big autism mood. When I start talking about things that excite me or that I enjoy, especially when I'm challenged on them, I start talking faster and louder, and my body language looks more restless. Lots of people have confused this for me being angry when I'm really just excited or maybe anxious.
The neutron bombs we had in the 90s have all been dismantled. The thing about neutron bombs is that the physics of neutron absorption in the atmosphere means that their effect is only different from ordinary nuclear weapons at small yield sizes, like less than 10 kilotons. Like all nuclear weapons, the rule of thumb is to be where they aren't, as far away as you can get.
The Russians have neutron warheads for their anti-ballistic missile system around Moscow (which is very similar to the US' _Safeguard_ system, deployed for less than a year in the Seventies).
Rule of thumb: Do not look at a nuclear explosion
25:00 How is that going to work at different latitudes?
I’ve watched Brew’s videos for a minute, and they’re always good natured, no matter who they may criticize
I'm not a scientist but still can easily debunked it . With logic.. I just ask questions..
Big time P-Hacking going on in that video, was fun to see you correct the record the way you did, science bros!
I would love to see a video about uranium mining and processing.
I literally never knew brew and Kyle Hill would be in a disagreement
not exactly... brew was agreeing with kyle, and kyle was just malding over nothing.
19:22 was spectacular. 🤣
Kyle hill is slowly looking more and more like a lion
Your practical approach is correct, period.
I feel like this proves the rule of thumb. If the explosion is larger then your thumb and you are still safe, that would mean that the explosion being smaller then your thumb mean you are more then good.
43:15 Is it better to have the "rule of thumb" be precise or to have a safety factor of ~2, though?
Dude! I hope you do write the book! I'm sure you've clocked in your 10 000 hours by now of communicating science, and as someone to whom much science has been communicated to, I'd say you're an expert in the field.
the music was what kept me listening even the last second.
If you really think about it, at .00000001 seconds, you can be right at the blast and it will be smaller than your thumb 👍
I think it's safe to say that if you can see the mushroom cloud at all you're too close to the explosion
But the length of your arm is a variable. The longer your arm is the more dangerous you would think the bomb was.
14:55 🤣
I felt that 🫂
(forgive my ignorance) but isn't the 10° of the fist different with your thumb out? Does that not change the amount of vision it takes up? Forgive my wording as well
I heard someone say the rule of thumb is about being safe from the nuclear fallout.
"Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?" From the movie War Games.
Water touching you directly is conduction. Not convection Kyle.
The entire rule of thumb in Fallout is just a stupid thing that Todd Howard made up few years ago.
"sounded a little condescending"... No, it was very condescending, and quite rude.
If you want to correctly say "the facilities" in Spanish, it's "las instalaciones" (or "la instalación" in singular form). Unless you are trying to be funny.
Isn't rule of thumb is just a joke / satire ?? Like the explosion is obviously bigger than your thumb..
Caveat to comment: I know the parameters I am about to discuss are not how the rule of thumb is presented in the material. This is not intended to dispute Kyle's conclusions. Comment: the 22 degrees is pretty close to thumb plus fist. I don't know if the 2 degrees is still enough to make a big difference, however, and even if it isn't it doesn't change that the blast wave and thermal concerns are already over. I just thought it was an interesting observation.
in Australia, there are legit thousands of spiders above the streets in the powerlines
Yay i was waiting for this video
I believe the point of the rule of thumb is not to know whether you are safe or not, but to know whether there is even a point in running away. In that case you'd be trying to figure out if you're within the burning area or in the fallout area. In burning area, you're toast (forgive the pun), but in fallout, you get the time to run as you mentioned. However you've safely established that it is entirely pointless. Either you burn before you use the thumb, or the shockwave passes you and you run.
The triangle from your thumb increases linearly with distance. The light and the pressure wave decreases exponentially. So thumb not that useful for estimation, right? 🤔 (Sorry if this was covered and I missed it)
one thing that bothers me is :
in the original lore do we assume thumb itself alone, or thumb+fist as a reference ? question comes up whenever i extent my thumb to simulate the action
Now, all you need is a fan off stage so your hair constantly blows in a endless breeze like Fabio
in the show it was specifically before the shockwave, the whole point is to see if the shockwave will hit you or not. So your asumption of after makes little sense
Love seeing sincere, polite peer-review ❤ Kyle, if you're outside the radius of all danger, what's the point in checking? The rule of thumb is to indicate whether you should run or hug your loved ones. I think brew's radius was just about right :)
Edit: obviously this assumes checking *before* the shockwave, i.e. immediately, which I know is not what you consider practical. However, that seems to be the expectation in the fallout universe
So if you use the rule of thumb you'd definitely be safe since you'd be twice the safe distance away
_"I spent a few hours researching nuclear bombs, surely I know more than someone that has been doing that for years"_
This right here is why the world is a mess 🙄
DId you even pay attention to the part when brew said "Kyle Hill was right when he said to not waste your time with the rule of thumb"? You are the problem. And slandering actually. What brew did by researching was correct, like he said, people make mistakes.
If you can encase yourself from the blast, in a led and water field tank for a little while like a few hours can you survive being quite closed to the explosion, like a kilometer or so? I know the amount of water and led's density will affect the result, of course, but i was just thinking.
To anyone wondering, the black wizardy of changing all caps is most likely just an add-on. In chrome it's somethingl ike change case.
1:05:00 I have a tritium keychain too. I love it
I would buy your Science Communication book ❤
What he means by assumption is that the 10 degree rule is a safe assumption to make
Brew is a part of multi-channel content mill. It's upsetting they tried to make a hit piece on you. Also, the Brew watchers already forgot your name or anything that was said in the video because they all have the memory of a goldfish.
Chapter 1 should be "More Knowledge, Less Live Streams"
It was so polite because it was a Canadian production team. I’m serious.
Brew is an awesome channel but doesn't always get it right. I am assuming there are times when you and also film theory get things wrong as well. Love the video back and forth. Very respectful discourse. Also, the rain me daddy and your reaction left me in stitches.
Initial reaction to this video without much thought:
Curious to know how the horizon line affects this. 29 KM is past the horizon line at ground level, so you would only be seeing some top portion of the explosion, right?
got to be 60+ meters up from ground level to be 1:1 with the cloud size...?
Ah yes Brew, the Breadtuber Content Farm that are the Temu version of MatPat.
Those mushrooms would make a banger addition to any meal. Guaranteed to blow you away.
Just an opinion, but, if you don't make "nukecel" merch, that'd be a shame.
Kyle slightly more right for the win
I AM GOING TO TYPE EVERYTHING IN ALL CAPS UNTIL I KNOW WHAT BLACK MAGIC SORCERY KYLE USED TO INSTANTLY UN-CAPIFY HIS OOPSIE
literally i started to look it up immediately then heard him read out that comment like bruh (i meant to type this in all caps like you but forgot so will be keeping it in lowercase until i know what black magic sorcery kyle used so i can instantly capify it)
the rule of thumb might be wrong, but it could be worse, if the rule would state "save" when it isn't, at least you know when your thumb is bigger than the cloud you are definitely save
1:23:22 they're spicy mushrooms but not THAT kind of spicy mushroom
I mean, those are the REAL magic mushrooms.
Just drop some Radix and some right away and you’ll be right as rain but you really don’t wanna be out in the rain because it’s radioactive as hell