Honestly, they should have done what Venture Bros. did and have an 'The Adventure Continues!' ending. Have a big battle, the heroes win, but still fail to save the multiverse. So they pick themselves up, and get ready to try again. They'll stumble and fall, but they'll always have each other's backs no matter what. Because that's what family does.
I would have fleshed out this series with a lot of things. I don’t actually mind the Jennifer and Ben reaction thing to cause the cleanse. I just think the pacing was screwed and such a rushed season. I also didn’t mind the Lila and Five thing however I think it should have been more a moment of weakness and just a kiss. Lila was mistaken to do so and immediately thought of her family. Five however, fell for Lila - remember he really has a mind beyond his years and has never quite found happiness or proper love. When Lila and Five eventually make it back, the whole cleanse thing would happen (with some better writing). Five tells the family that sacrificing themselves was the only way to save the world/timelines. He has always been clever and almost manipulative (not necessarily in a bad way, always to help the family) - despite verbally criticising them the most. As they gather round in the circle and the mass is suffocating their bodies, we see the family holding hands. Lila takes Diego’s hand, the marigold being sapped from all of their bodies. As Lila goes to take Five’s hand, he blinks at just the right time onto the main body of the monster. He then makes a further gigantic blink pulling monster back into the timeline he spent many years in when he got lost. (The apocalyptic one). This would be Epic as we would see him scream as it took him a few moments to pull such a large thing into another place. Blinking the monster into the other timeline allowed his siblings and Lila to survive, the marigold being removed from their bodies and making them mortal again. Five however, was almost dead from the sheer volume of the blink he had just taken on. Lying on the ground with nothing left - alone back in the timeline he was once lost in, there is an uncanny feeling about going full circle from where season one started for him. Five accepts his fate as the monster takes his body and the remaining marigold whilst being unable to move. This completes the cleanse and we flash straight to where the siblings were left. The ultimate sacrifice from the mastermind of Five. Emotion from the family and their devastation. From potentially leaving them all to die as he originally blinked into the subway, to coming back and saving them all by sacrificing himself. A funeral for Five with the classic Umbrella Academy humour making it a bittersweet moment. This is now where we need to see a time skip ending showing the individual siblings - going from one to the other and capturing a moment of what they are doing in their mortal lives as the show comes to a close.
Not really Because honestly they took out the multiverse since they didn't introduce us to the multiverse well since throughout the series they pointed out to us that it was only a timeline and in the final season they put us in the multiverse But I feel like you have a point since it was just how it was written. But anyway, they introduced us well to it and I didn't like it, it's just my opinion.@@ZakanaHachihaCBC
So my theory behind this is that the gorilla body was an upgrade to his powers and all their powers got upgraded here and his body looks more natural here meaning this is what that upgrade was meant to do as he’s now also bullet proof
I’m assuming it has to do with the marigold not giving them their actually/original powers. Both Alison and Victor got different things and Lilia got laser eyes
@@NotAzariel yeah but she also got telekenisis against the dude that trapped klaus. I'd understand forgetting tho since every character used their powers like once each
@@Nu2Morrowit’s fine with Luther being a comical himbo but the problem is that he’s leaning on the the comic side way too often which I guess is the writers response to him attempting to be the leader and the straight man stock character in Season One not being very good at it because people weren’t happy with him because of his treatment with Victor after being discovered that he’s special just like the rest of the Umbrellas by putting him in the box and leaving it at that despite their protests which I guess is anger in response of what happened with Allison but still they needed to have balance on how to make him the comical while still being the true Number One at the same time and not be afraid of it like if you’re going to address that they realized that they done fucked up with his character then you gotta write that in there and have Luther learn from his mistakes and not be afraid to be serious when needed to be
@@anasaavedra5600 If you actually watch the show, instead of being a hater, he is the key to all the funny moments. However, he still played the real number 1. He protected his family from bullets until he almost died, he didn't want to go to the CIA but did it anyway so Diego could fulfill his dream. He picked Ben up from prison and gave him a home. He was the first to welcome Allison back at the party. Rewatch the season objectively instead of being a hater.
@Nu2Morrow they still did his character dirty. It would've been better if he grew in the aspect of being a leader. Or at least address his fears of leading since the vanya incident. Like the last season threw away all info given to us. Klaus been buried and left in cemetery...expected him to escape himself as growth, expected luther to lead again but with more heart and compassion.
They betrayed his character so badly. I feel like he would NEVER get with Lila. specially bc they already had this mortal enemy coworker situation before, and she was his boss's kid and all, I felt that was very uncharacteristic of him, kind of immature
Bro Netflix really couldn't be bothered about the show and just gave it the Game of Thrones treatment. Also Sloane not being in the final season with Luther is unacceptable.
Even if she wasn't in the final season they could have atleast made that a plot point, maybe when he went to the CIA he looked through some database to find her, but for some reason he didn't care she was gone, minus one line the whole season, also poggo wasn't in this universe, neither was the second Ben they teased in the credits, there's meant to be 2 bens in this time line, I guess we just forget that.
I hated that they merely addressed Ray in a throwaway line, by stating that he just walked out on Allison and Claire, after all she went through to get them back. Having him and Claire die in an accident would have made much more sense. Also, spending more time dedicated to Lila gradually falling out of love with Diego would make more sense, and there wouldn't be any need for an unnecessary love triangle.
I think that Lila and Diego should stay in love, with no romance between Lila and Five. I think Lila and Five should build up a friendship with each other, but nothing romantic since that's really weird (Five is in his sixties mentally, but a teenager physically), Five wouldn't care for romance, and Lila loves Diego. With Allison I think she should have a redemption arc throughout season four.
I would have loved if Ray had been a part, or even created, the Keepers. Like Allison brought him to this new timeline without his consent, and he could have started having visions of his life in the 60s and realised the timeline had been messed with, and his personality would totally fit with creating a movement to fight back ! Even if it was just addressed in a quick flashback sequence, it would have been interesting... actually, I would have loved flashbacks showing all the characters' lives during the 6 years jump (Luther searching for Sloane, Lila and Diego's mariage falling apart, how the hell Five ended up at the CIA if he's physically 19 yo...)
@@idk.bruhhhhexactly he fought for black civil rights his whole thing was family he was the whole reason klaus came to his senses why would he leave bc of him without him he wouldn’t have known where his sister was bc they met in jail bc he was protesting
It would have been nice for at least a flashback scene of ray leaving, but it makes sense he did. He wasn’t willing to go with her to the future at the end of the 60s timeline. It makes sense he’d resent her for bringing him to her in her timeline
one big complaint i had about the final season was that luther and allison both seemed to completely forget that she sexually assaulted him, without her ever apologizing
@thais2325 in S3, Allison was alone and frustrated, watching the rest of her family be somewhat happy. So she slowly became a villain just bevause she never got her own happiness. Luther and her always had chemistry but now he was with Sloane and couldn't accept her advances. This made her lash out and she 'rumoured' him to love her, and to kiss her, despite him trying to resist. He had to fight against her and nothing else happened.
Fairly realistic. Any victimologist will tell you that men being sexually assaulted often doesn’t get treated seriously and usually gets brushed off or played for laughs in media.
I personally would've had the show end with 5 realizing what actually broke the Timeline was him being stuck in the future for 45 year's. Seeing that future set off a chain reaction that set it in stone. Five would then traveled back in time to the day he first left as a kid and stop himself. Telling his Younger self everything and telling him not to trust Reginald and that Victor had power and How Ben Died. Altering the timeline this way would make the Siblings turn on Reginald as the true villain as Children. And instead of Killing him they'd Lock him in the same room he locked Viktor in. Time skip would've showed all of them living their lives free of their trauma and together as adults.
I'm fine with the concept of the ending where they all died together. The whole plot leading up to the ending is the problem. I only saw 2-3 characters that had redemption; Klaus, Allison, and Viktor. The whole cast deserved so much better.
The family all dying together was unrewarding. It’s not fair that they get punished and blamed for the apocalypse by simply existing. “I’m sorry I was BORN”
it’s just such a terrible narrative. klaus never got clean and was trafficked, allison’s redemption didn’t pay off at all given all the build up of her story, and viktor at least got closure but his connection with the only family member that was nice to him was broken. this show is clearly about 6/7/8 victims of abuse and it ends with them all dying? what the hell kind of message is that?
@@lizanya6433what bothered me about Klaus is that he went up to somebody he owed money too and asked him to shoot him (knowing he could not die) - like why? What was the goal? Also; how is someones first reaction „oh I am going to make him a prostiture“ when you see someone come back to live? Mind you, that is a world where super powers are not a thing….
2 things. 1) I hated this lila and five's relationship. It was such a pure platonic relationship that they built over the seasons only to be ruined like this. I was rooting for them to 'not' kiss but they did. Ugh! 2) why give klaus such a unique power/ability and never gave him a chance to use his power to the fullest. The time he was buried i really wanted him to summon the spirits and as everyone's powers evolved , the pet spirits might actually dug him out of there. Such a great show with multiple future plots just ended over nothing.
I already like your ending much better than the canon one. It's sad to see such a promising show start off so strongly, then go out with a whimper. I would definitely have brought Sloane back, since she meant so much to Luther, and thanks for offering an explanation for why Sparrow Ben survived the reset, but she didn't.
The canon hasn't ended the graphic comic novel is far behind the show, just like Got it's not over, so the show ending probably won't match the material
I saw an interview with one of the show runners and there was supposed to be a storyline of Luther looking for Sloan. That would have been awesome, but ultimately I love how the show wrapped up
Luther’s character arc should have been him looking for Sloane or about him dealing with her being gone in the new timeline. He had nothing to do this season.
A big plot hole for me (which is why the ending didn't make sense) is... there were 43 children born on that day, children with abilities like the Umbrella Academy, but those children weren't adopted by Reginald to be a part of the team. In the end scene, the siblings were adamant that everyone had to be present in order for Ben x Jennifer to eat them or whatever and for the cleanse to be started. Why were the Hargreeves siblings alone sufficient? What about all those other children born with marigold in them? Are we supposed to assume that none of them survived the timeline reset?
Agreed it makes no sense, a few our of 43 is not all of the maragold, so all of the children would need to be present, so it makes absolutely no sense, it would have been nice to see all of the children at one point or another, like the fire kid
I think because when they entered that timeline, nobody had powers until Ben fed them the marigold... Cuz otherwise by the time they got there another academy would've already been formed (like umbrella, sparrow, Phoenix etc)
it’s cause when the timeline reset, the marigold was never released, which is why the siblings didn’t have their powers. then ben gave them the marigold and that’s why they got their powers, but the rest of the marigold children never got that marigold.
it's amazing how one person in just a couple days (and almost every other person to try) came up with a much better ending than an entire professional team who had a lot longer to work with.
These are the same professionals who seem to have "fixed" their writers block by doing some drugs and decided to make a block a character with 0 explanation. Like are we really supposed to believe that a woman gave birth to a cube??
@@jessie9771 he’s taller but his face looks almost the same. Some people’s face change drastically during that growth stage. But his face has stayed relatively the same.
The whole “Cleanse” thing from this season could have actually worked if only it made sense. Before the finale I thought the cleanse would be like the kugelblitz from the last season but instead they have Ben and Jennifer turning into some kind of monster it just didn’t make sense. Like how was that supposed to destroy every different timeline? Was it going to eat the timelines and if so how was it suppose to travel to different timelines in order to destroy them? I also feel like they could have done something completely different with the train storyline. Like throughout all of the promotions for the season they were hyping up how the train would have played a huge part in the story that would help them fix the timeline, but the only major plot point they used the train for was that weird, stupid five and Lila cheating arc. They had all of the material to make it work but they didn’t do it properly and just messed up the series finale to a show people adored.
Because the monster kills Reginald and Abigail and the umbrella academy which is what started everything. Use your brain to do some critical thinking. Making it a monster with intelligence instead of a mindless slow ball of death makes sense as it can move and won't give them a million hours to figure out how to stop it.
@@OfficialDenzy The writers just wrote some sci-fi bs about the particles in the Umbrella family meshing with whatever particles was in the other girl and just said they magically destroy all timelines. You kinda just gotta role with it.
i was hoping klaus would find sobriety to look for david, a lot of fans want that relationship back, and it would be a great motivation for klaus's sobriety since he primarily does the drugs to drown out the spirits
Wow, this ending is so much better and truly makes a lot of sense. It answers questions that they left unanswered and ties loose knots together. There were too many inconsistencies in the original ending, but this one flows way better and has much better character arcs for all of the characters.
Random birthday party is crazy. I thought it made sense because even in a dysfunctional family a birthday party for a niece or nephew would always bring them back.
The whole thing is so wierd. It's a birthday party for kids. It's pitch black outside, and guests keep arriving seemingly hours apart. It must be in the middle of the night by the time it ends xD
I still don’t get how Lila suddenly has a family. Her parents were killed by five /the handler and she was adopted by the handler. Yes it’s a different timeline but why would Lila pursue her birth family, aside from Klaus doing it once (met his mother) all the others haven’t bothered. I also missed Fives quips and general attitude this season. If there was ever a series that should benefit from a redo it would be this. Perhaps they could do something like sense 8 did and do a feature length episode (movie) to round it up properly. Having the marigolds sprout at the end could give them a redo… though it probably was just symbolic.
Except the execution was so bad I felt like just a regular dysfunctional family not the mega level of dysfunction the hargreeves have. Fr, it felt less dysfunctional than a family reunion I would have with mine.
Five deserved a whole arc where he became a more empathetic and just generally nice person through learning from past mistakes while keeping his flair and not becoming a total softie and possibly sacrificing his life for his siblings for a beautiful ending, instead he just got watered town to a weird guy who had a totally different personality all of a sudden and just liked Lilla in a relationship that is just totally weird relationship. Also him dying thinking Diego hated him was a cruelty I cannot fathom.
I thought that 5 would die. He realized that he is the problem from the start. By time jumping he started everything. His whole arc was always saving the world. He always wanted to fix everything (and most of the time he tried it alone). In the end he wouldn’t try to save the world but erasing himself from every timeline (through a crazy time jump where we could see a big summary of all his moments with his family). That would have been a nice call back to his old self “to not save the world“. He reached the conclusion to fix everything but he didn’t have the power to do so. That’s also why no other version could find a solution because they always wanted to fix everything and didn’t think about “giving up“ by killing themselves/ erasing their existence. After this big reset we see the lifes of the umbrella academy without knowing each other (In my ending 5 took his “dad“ with him and erased him as well)
Actually, yeah, I didn't realize it before but you're absolutely right that 5 jumping is absolutely what sets off the apocalypse. S1 Vanya wouldn't have destroyed the world since they mention 5 as one of their only friends within the family -- having 5 around would've changed so much, maybe Ben wouldn't have even died (the Jennifer incident as it is... is such a stupid idea and I feel like originally he might've been planned to die differently). Having him go back and stop himself from making that jump somehow would also have been a great way to bring back the kid actors for an episode or two
I also imagined that when one of the fives said "we are the problem". He has time travel abilities, I wouldn't be surprised if he single-handedly butterfly-effected the entire world into pure chaos.
I suggest adding the bit @tylerkennedy3207 brought to this canon, where both Five and Lila actually spend some time in favor of killing Ben and side with Hargreeves; they both are credible about "end justifies the means" and willing and their ties with the commision are proof of that But in the end they would come back together and realize the best ending is to them not fit in the original timeline, undo their existences and put an end to the apocalypses (but that would undo their children since they weren't there in the first place)
If I recall, the showrunner's explanation of the Ben on the Train in Korea was just a future glimpse of "Sparrow Ben" on his way to do his Crypto Scam and the Train as a foreshadowing of the train that Five ends up discovering....which I think was just their excuse of dropping this storyline that was set up and expected to be.
@@IsabelleReads The goal was ultimate discomfort. I’m sure having everyone throw up green goo while playing baby shark in the background for a solid ten minutes in total wasn’t supposed to be pleasant. We were supposed to be uncomfortable with the characters.
I love all those revisions except fir the ending. Everything ceasing to exist feels too depressing for the Umbrella Academy. I think it would be nice for everything to reset to a universe where the marigold was never released, because Hargreeves never survived or something. All the siblings were still born to their respective families, but maybe at different times. We still have the park scene, but it has the main group there by happenstance for their own separate reasons. Some end up interacting, not knowing each other, but for some reason immediately liking each other. Luther is definitely there with Sloane. Ben and Klaus wound up being roommates. Diego and Lila meet for the first time and start flirting immediately. Victor is playing the violin to a crowd that Allison and her family are sitting in. Then it shows them all getting beat at chess by Five one after another. Their story is over, but they get to live their lives free of Hargreeves and their destiny.
I think it would've been interesting if Allison got to keep her powers in the latest timeline, only for her to be unable to control it. Whether Ray and Claire survive her powers or not, she'd carry so much guilt knowing she betrayed her family trying to get everything she ever wanted only for things to turn out like that.
i was getting interested in allisons character because she seemed to be the new star of season 3, they had a lot of potential for her but no, its just ben being an absolute asshole and ruining the world
They even could have gone full drama and made it so her out of control powers are the reason Ray and Claire died. Or she had to leave them for their safety and they are just out there living their lives somewhere offscreen, meaning she did get her end of the bargain by having them in the world, but the monkey's paw is her powers are so strong she is too scared to ever get near them again.
I tbh don’t think they should die for the reasons of the abuse that they went through from Reginald’s hand. And that they should be able to live happily without their powers in the normal time line
It would also be interesting from a different standpoint if 5 and Lila both side with Hargreeves to kill Sparrow Ben and the new realities' Ben just cause Five is willing to do whatever it takes to protect his family, and Lila is also desperate to protect her children. But in the end, they both realise it's not worth killing the Bens as they'll be exactly like Reginald where "the ends justify the means" sort-off idea and they'll help their family fight against Reginald. Also maybe the family could figure out how to use the Marigold and the Durango to fuse both of the Bens together effectively mixing both personalities to bring about a new Ben with the same memories but a new personality and character to that of the OG Ben from S1 and 2. IDK I'm not a writer but the wasted potential of the final season of one of my favorite shows on Netflix is probably the biggest letdown for me from Netflix.
I can actually see Five and Lila leaning that way, considering Five's always been a very "the end justifies the means" kind of person, and I don't think there's much he wouldn't sacrifice to save his family - even if it hurts him greatly. There's a reason he spent over 4 decades trying to get back. There's a reason he joined the commission. There's a reason he let the commisssion do what it did to him, even if it stripped parts of him away that he feels he might never get back. And it could be interesting to explore because it wouldn't be something he would take lightly either, but the rest of the siblings wouldn't be able to see it that way which would just empathise the divide between Five and his family after everything he's been through and the time they've spent apart. And Lila's very similar to Five in a lot of aspects, especially with their shared background with the Comission. Plus the fact that Lila so desperately wants a family and she wouldn't want anything to happen to the one she finally has. I think she's a very "everything I've ever let go of has claw marks on it" kind of person.
im not too sure about the fusing ben stuff, because it just sounds really screwed up and seems unnecessary. killing him would be a lot more easier esp when they dont even know the guy, but the other ideas were pretty good.
Agreed! I feel like they gave them the 6 years gap in order to give them an “ending”? They got 6 years to live a normal life and I saw that as their send-off. Sad to not see Sloane this season.
Every fan theory I’ve seen has been so much better than what we got. It’s so painful to see a show you grew to love and then get GoT’d at the final season.
Honestly everything up to the end i thought was really good. But just, "everyone died and the world ended" is such a crappy way to end the story. It makes basically all the efforts of the past seasons completely meaningless. I'd honestly prefer something with one of the Ben's getting killed by Reginald or something, or using the subway system as a way to resort the timelines and put the Ben's back to stabilize things. Honestly not sure, but just everyone dying makes the whole show feel pointless. Much like how it already did feel with it's current ending
Yeah, your better sounding ending asserts what I have said about the actual ending It wasn’t just the fact that the show ended with the hargreeves siblings being erased , it was the fact that they humanized Reginald, when season 3 made it clear that he was meant to be an antagonist and final boss But they wasted that opportunity, badly.
@@pepito2847 Point still stands. He's been evil every timeline. What are the chances he's evil again? They did the right thing for this season making him not evil again.
@@Nu2Morrow Coming across a version of Reginald that’s a genuine good person would be a neat thing to do for a one episode only plot But the Reginald that has made their lives hell, does not deserve to be good.
@@pepito2847 Again, that's your own personal hatred of the character which has nothing to do with what the creators should do. They don't write stories to only make your favorites the good guy
Thematically, I don't think they could have ever had the kids kill Reginald. The themes of the show are about abuse, especially child abuse and the main thing that a lot of people don't like about this season is that it ends with the characters all dying, the message is "sometimes dying is the best way to deal with trauma" which is... well-- it's pretty bad. Killing Reggie would have the message that either "revenge is always the answer" or "the only way to escape childhood trauma is to kill its source". I do agree that Viktor should have had his moment to stand up to Reggie but it would have been a lot more satisfying and thematically relevant for the group to lock him up (in prison, time, or even the Subway) and move on. I don't know-- just a thought.
This is the first comment I've seen that specifically brings up the main theme of child abuse in the series, and how it should inform the plot. I do think killing Hargreeves would still be in line with the growth of the children of finally overcoming their trauma though, in a very literal sense and entertaining TV sense. Some of the comments saying he could reveal his alien form and be the final boss sounds very fun. The message doesn't necessarily have to be "you need to kill your abuser", but that you can choose that they don't matter to you - stop chasing for their approval, not care about how they think of you. Accept that they won't change and stop letting them hurt you. It'd just be a lot more dramatic if they killed him, but it ultimately shows that they finally no longer see or value him as their father figure. They'd stay as a family, but collectively disown Reginald. In the final moment, when he tries to manipulate them again and pull the family card, Victor can tell him he is not their father before he/they kill him. Not against your ideas, just think the children killing him still makes sense thematically. But I'm really glad you mentioned it (frankly I had forgotten about it lol) !!!
1000x better, this is how you make a "grand sacrifice" ending actually worth it instead of feeling like a lazy cop-out. This guy should've been in the writing room!
The constant cycle of self-pity and self-destruction that the characters go through in every season is exhausting and repetitive. It’s frustrating to see them save the world and end each season on a high note, only to fall apart again at the start of the next. This back-and-forth feels like a waste of valuable plot time, with the same issues being rehashed season after season. The rushed ending left a bitter taste, making it clear that more time should have been spent developing the plot rather than revisiting tired character arcs. One of the most pointless storylines was Klaus being kidnapped and used as a sex toy-an unnecessary distraction that wasted precious screen time in an already limited episode count. This time could have been better spent enriching the overall plot. The final episode felt too short, with an abrupt conclusion that made little sense. The villains didn’t have enough screen time to make any real impact, and as a result, they never felt truly menacing or significant to the story. Overall, this season was a major disappointment, with potential squandered by poor pacing and repetitive storytelling.
Before S3, I really thought of the attempts of Five getting back to the original timeline, the 2019 one, and get to make Viktor acknowledge his power to prevent the apocalypse. But since we didn't got this, Sparrow Academy only existed to nothing, not even Sloane survived the lazy writing. My question about the others who were born with marigold werent answered. S3 ending made it feel like Reginald would be the villain, and belive or not, it was kind of obvious that the writer wanted to give Five a love story, BUT I NEVER THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE WITH HIS BROTHERS WIFE!!!! In my head, S4 would follow this new character who's held by Reginald and his wife, she (somehow) would have the powers coming from the marigold but also would runway from Reginald and find the Umbrella Academy. Turns out that this happened with Jennie, but her story was so off. And if the writer wanted SO MUCH to Five to have a love story, would be way better if the character were similar to him by age (maybe also trapped in a teenager body) but with her own story to get the timelines safe again. Idk so much potential lost.
I’ll explain: basically every person who had previously gotten powers (including the umbrellas) has them wiped away after the timeline reset. They were only ones who took marigold after and that’s why they were the only people who needed to die to fix the timelines. However, I don’t think that’s the end. The first time Ben tried to give Klaus the marigold, he dumped it over his shoulder and the marigold had landed on another man. But it still showed alt timelines being deleted so maybe that was an irrelevant detail. I was thinking viktor would’ve taken the marigold out of them and only sacrifice himself for his siblings, but that didn’t happen.
Your version made me tear up at the end. That was something I didn't do in the original. Yes, yes, yes to ALL of this especially Victor killing Reg, Five getting them together, getting rid of Jen/addressing Ben 2, and they ended it all happy together period. Thank you for sharing this
they said in the trailer ben was the key to understanding the timelines, but seriously where was that? it felt more like five who was understanding them, especially with the power to go into different timelines...?
I'm guessing the 6 year time jump was because of the gaps between making the seasons and the fact that Aidan Gallagher had aged. The previous 3 seasons had all happened within the span of a few weeks/months, (for Five at any rate) but Five now looks 18/19/20 instead of 13/14. So, they had to take that into account. Also, because they went with that storyline of him and Lila, it was better in their eyes if his body was at least of legal age. 🙄 They messed the whole thing up so bad. There was no character development or growth. Everything was rushed. Like was said in the video, we weren't SHOWN anything -- we were TOLD. The list is so long with my problems with this season, I wouldn't know where to begin and my post would be too long. I'll have to do it in separate posts (if I feel like going into it). How it should've ended? I don't know. I really don't like the whole self-sacrifice plot. It's not the sibling's faults that they were born and messed up the "true" timeline. I think just Reggie should have sacrificed himself (and Abigail) and that somehow TUA could've survived to live somewhat normal lives. (C'mon, there can't be a universe without FIVE! That's a bleak universe indeed 😁 ).
When I saw multiple Five at that cafe, I thought they were gonna explained no other Umbrella Academy crew could sacrifice themselves to reset the timeline. Therefore the Five that we know would come to the conclusion that maybe their Umbrella Academy could come to getter to sacrifice themselves. Being the only group in every timeline to do it. That would make the ending more meaningful and making us realize why we were following this gang of Umbrella Academy. Because they're the ones that stops the whole collapse of the multiverse.
The only show that i have seen that did two great endings was Breaking Bad. They filmed with an amazing ending and then when Sony gave them another season, they killed it again. Thats what great writing does.
I so truly appreciate that season 1 to 3 were all connected and built up but season 4 felt out of place. I really liked your theory more than the show. Also if its the finale then 10 episodes should have done justice.
I could tolerate Five and Lila kissing if their immediate reaction to that was like: Ew! Jesus fucking Christ look what this isolation is doing to us! We need to go back like yesterday, apocalypse doesn't seem so bad now And they would return with a firm THAT NEVER HAPPENED agreement between them.
I am so glad you made all these Umbrella Academy videos because I am so sad to see this show end. Your version sounds better than what we got but ultimately I wish this show would have continued. In my perfect world we would have gotten multiple "Academy" shows... Umbrella Academy, Sparrow Academy, Phoenix Academy, ect. These shows lead to an eventual crossover season that could have ended all of the series and answered all questions.
Brilliant! I love how you've maintained a line that carries through and keeps it consistent even through the multiple timelines. It would have made a satisfying ending and tied the endings of multiple stories while giving us backgrounds when we hadn't heard. Absolutely brilliant.
My main problem with the ending is that they merge with the durango to destroy the marigold. But there is both MORE PEOPLE WITH POWERS (Sparrows, fire guy from the phoenix academy, ETC.) And so many more 5's In the deli. Which would mean that the others have more clones of themselves. SO REALLY they are just dying and not saving anyone.
It would have been neat if Sloan was a part of the keepers, longing for a life she thought she had or is having dreams about! Could make for some interesting dynamics and drama
Good idea. It sucks that they didn’t bring back Sloan. Guess they ran out of budget after last season. Without her, Luther’s own development went nowhere.
I just started watching again. Not a fan of season 3, and so far not of season 4 either. Which sucks; the first two were great, and I know for sure they had the comic as a template. I think this is gunna be a series that ends after season 2, just like “Game Of Thrones” ended after season 6,and “Star Wars” ended after “Return of the Jedi”.
I needed this!! Sensible, plausible and natural. But script writers don’t get all the autonomy they need sometimes. Thanks for giving us another version to hold on to.
a couple of questions of your re-write. Why have Clair and Ray killed? they were allison's entire drive, having them killed removes all the effort she put in s1, s2 and s3. They shouldnt want to have their powers back. Five ruined his own life with them, Luther has ONLY known his life with powers, he should want more. Allison destroyed her marrige with them. Klaus was traumatized. Viktor distroyed the world like 3 times. And above all, they're (the powers) a simbol of Hargreeves power over them. the rest is pretty good.
I actually enjoyed the power changes showing that the Marigold was not the original ones that they had in the first timeline. I also liked the subway station and Five figuring out the endless pursuit of fixing the timeline. But Lila does not need to join him. And Durango did not need to exist. The two Bens should be the issue like you said, and solving the time crisis would be to end Ben, which they would never do. I liked the forgotten memory concept of Ben original but it should've been for some other reason, perhaps Ben found out the truth about Hargreeves.
kinda off topic but i cant stand victor. he is always criticizing everyone and actively tries to avoid the family. he always thinks hes in the right on everything and everyone else is wrong, and gets all pissy when people dont do what he wants. it also felt like a therapy session for elliot page more than a victor character arc.
@@arcanewarrior863I don't know enough about Way, his childhood, or his worldviews but I'd be interested in hearing how he feels about his art being turned into something with such a specific message compared to other works. For example - I actually prefer the tone/message of Snyder's treatment of Watchmen over the graphic novel (but dislike the changes made to the main villains motivation). It feels more 'timeless' to me as to where all this Elliot page Vanya/Viktor shit makes this show already feel dated.
since they all die together at the end i feel like it would’ve been bittersweet for luther to be like “wait wait wait” and run upstairs before they power up. everyone would be annoyed but we cut to Luther searching his room(even if it’s a different timeline they’re still bleeding into each other) and he finds a record but they don’t show it, he goes back downstairs and then nods and everyone’s like “what was that for?” and he just smiles as music fades in and it’s “i think we’re alone now” they power up and wait for the end and one of them starts dancing and eventually they all do, and then finally BOOM they’re gone.
I especially hate the fact that diego and five died grudging each other. Really rubbed me the wrong way. Nothing like a little dance off to sweeten it 😢
So instead of an ending where the main cast dies and there's no one to remember them, we get an ending where the entire world dies and there's no one to remember them?
Sloane not coming back was just the largest issue as her and Luther's relationship was my favorite part of Season 3. Considering she was in the room when the new timeline was made would have made sense to have her be in the new timeline. I like your idea with there being too many Bens and I could see that being an example of Sloane too where she also had a variant in the new universe. And if they wanted to get rid of her character, have it that somehow the Sloane encounter one another and by doing so cancelled out each other's existance unintentionally. Having that cause the cracks in the timeline where artifacts are coming through. The idea then being that if the same thing happened to the Bens, the timeline would be destoryed altogether. Maybe Sparrow Ben, since none of his siblings made it to the new timeline (other than Sloane), would become evil and he orchestrated the Sloanes, realizing he can do the same if he found Train Ben.
Ben and Jennifer "absorbed" the whole planet, the other 35 gifted people with marigold born the same way were "absorbed" by Ben. If one of them left in another timeline just like Lila was about to do with her family and Claire… it wouldn’t have worked.
The 35 other gifted people didn’t exist in the world because the marigold was contained in this universe (hence why none of the original 7 had any powers at the beginning of the season) - upon Ben releasing it, the only ones who had marigold were the 7
You know something that ticked me off in this hot mess of a season was that Allison drank marigold to get her power when she wasn't even drained of it like wtf did the writers just forget about plot points that they set up??????
Season 4 with a new ending: - Reginald is exploiting humanity to some extent, being a bad leader. Our heroes realize that it's not enough to just save the world; they also need to free it from Reginald's leadership. - They discover a way to enter different timelines (using power juice from Reginald's wife, similar to the show) to regain their powers by collecting more power juice from these timelines. - In the midseason finale, they come together to defeat Reginald. He reveals the true origin of the power juice, explaining that he stole it from an ancient guardian and released it into the multiverse to create his perfect timeline. - Now, they must collect the remaining power juice from various timelines (fighting bosses and completing random tasks) and absorb it to unlock new powers, enabling them to solve the multiverse problem. -Finally, all parts of the power juice are gathered in the same timeline, allowing the group to use this power to create the Commission, which will timeloop everything that happened to bring the original timeline together and solving the multiverse problem. -They live out their lives in the final timeline, and as they grow older and the rest of the family dies of old age, Five (being the youngest) absorbs all the juice. He ultimately decides to keep himself alive within the Commission to guard the final timeline. This is the guardian Reginald eventually finds and fights to steal the juice from, repeating the loop all over again to reach the final timeline.
Okay a little theory, is that when this timeline was created, they had to use the last bits marigold (the last members of umbrella academy and sparrow, the other marigold users were dead in the last timeline so there marigold wasn’t transported to the new time line, ) to use as a fuel for the machine to create this timeline, so when the marigold was no longer in use Reggie took the marigold and put it in the jar so no one can accidentally use the same machine (that’s why it’s a liquid in s4 but when Reggie has it, it’s like a dust) and it explains why there powers are a little “off” (Alison doesn’t need to say “I heard a rumour”, fives colour went from blue to purple etc) Reggie made 8 or 43 (idk) random mothers (that were already pregnant that gave birth all on the same day, maybe?) and he adopted 7 of the kids, this explains how all of “his children” have the same last name still, and how Lila has her family, and they just sorta “possessed” the original ones, I guess. When they walk away from each other they possess the body’s in this timeline this explains the end credits scene of Ben, he has just possessed the body’s in the new timeline, Sloane is just with her family somewhere out of America that’s why Luther couldn’t find her, or she gave up her life to bring back Luther for this timeline or she could just be dead ? This is the best way I’m thinking that makes sense of all the plot holes they have created in the this season but even then there’s still questions
Why the ending doesn’t make sense: 1. If the only way to correct the timelines is for the siblings to fuse themselves with the giant monster thing, couldn’t they just go to the train station and grab a “defeated” version of themselves that would be willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good?that would be a good plot bc when they go into the train station time stops and they return back to the same day and the moment they left. I mean it’s not like these Hargreaves are all from the same timeline so why did they specifically have to die? 2. Somehow Lila puts her family on the correct train to the og timeline? I mean if it had been any other train they would’ve been erased when the train-station and all the other timelines were erased. Yet they made it to the og timeline which mean Lila knew which train to put them on to save them. 3. There are 43 marigold children per timeline so how only 7 of them needed to fuse together doesn’t make any sense.
@@stefantherainbowphoenix keep in mind they went back in time in order to interact with the phoenix academy. In the present of that same timeline, they’re all dead already. Same story in every other timeline we see; either everyone is dead or the marigold children simply never existed to begin with.
It wasn't just these versions who died - when they merged with the cleanse, all of them in every timeline were wiped from existence. They never existed because marigold was never released so they never were born. Even if other Hargreeves' siblings sacrified themselves, our siblings would still cease to exist. Not saying it is a good plot, but it isn't a plot hole - it was explained in the show.
I do think it was a missed opportunity for Diego to lose an eye. Like his comic book counterpart The Kraken, his extra ability should have been increased lung capacity like his comic book counterpart.
They should have given 5 a female version of himself to be his romance. It would have been funny to see him fall in love with himself as a female which ties back to how goofy him being in love with a mannequin was. Luther should have been a real astronaut or at least worked for nasa. Diego should have been special forces in the military which can tie into why Lila has fallen out of love. Victor life was cool. 5 should have been a business guru. Ben going to prison was cool and Allison losing it all was perfect karma. It should have ended with all of them having to give up their powers and dying but they all had scenes in which the monster got to them while they were trying to escape it. 5 being the only one to escape do to being in the train place but met his other selves and realized he had to sacrifice himself to reset everything
I thought the post credit scene was Ben going to see his living mother. I wanted them to show the comic book version of the characters who are more capable, but they decided on everyone vomiting to baby shark. Reginald and his wife have human forms but we know that they arent, which makes me believe that world they left wasn't their origin planet. Unless they are like Trill from Star Trek and their host bodies got damaged. The comic book pretty much stopped, so they really could have explored all of that. Even the diner seems to be an exposition dump . I think they were offered way less money to end it all.
I would have gone with 'LIFE is struggle' and embraced the 'We are always going to be trying to save a world from destruction. Sometimes win, sometimes lose; always together.'
Very good! I still would have wanted a happy ending because TUA was always a show that ultimately made people feel good, but this makes so, so much more sense than the season we got.
I legitimately think the 6 year time jump was only to rationalize Five's actors aging and also to make the eventual romance with Lila less cringey because there is no question that his body is now an adult (although he still looks pretty young)
I like Jennifer as a concept but the whole Marigold oppsite is a fun idea but they just rushed its explanation. Instead of getting into the mystery of Reginald and his wife and the truth behind the marigold.
The only way I dealt with the trauma of watching this season is imagining alternative ways it could have gone with the story. They messed it up so much that I was not able to put it back together. You did a wonderful job here. It would have been a great final season
You know I also feel like a good ending would have been if the umbrella academy finally got back to their original timeline with the original Ben and all the problems they had before got solved because of how close they are as a family now
This was an incredible idea of redoing this season tbh, it had its moments but the way they ended it with the siblings being at odds witch one another was so dumb
I think just fixing the finale episode would work where Viktor absorbed the marigold from the other siblings and sacrificed themself to the cleanse. This would create a proper ending for Viktor as they were the ones who destroyed the world in the first two seasons, and was the catalyst for destroying the world in the third (since they accidentally gave Harlan his powers).
Honestly, where to start? Ben and Jennifers undeveloped relationship and lack of chemistry, giving them all new powers but not bothering to explore/explain them (why was luther a monkey again?), mo explanation for sloan or ray, 5 and Diego not having a proper reconciliation after cheating with his wife or between allison and luther, the confusing hargreeves wife doppleganger subplot, luther turned into a big joke, the over the top cheesy end scene in the park where the turn into flowers. Are you kidding me? This makes the last season of GOT and Lost look like a masterpiece
I like the idea of the ending. I would just change one thing. The ending would have revealed rifts in reality showing all the other timelines. The reason for their being two Ben’s is because of Reginald’s perfect world. Reginald doesn’t know it at the beginning but by the end he has to kill the main timeline umbrella academy in order for their to be only one timeline, the one he created. The team finds another way to reset all the timelines and finish the apocalypse for good, but Reginald thinks that the only way to end the calamity and preserve his perfect world is with their death. Other versions of team members begin to show up from other timelines, along with other Reginald’s. All the Reginald’s fight the army of umbrella academy’s
Well planned 👏 I envisioned them all retiring in a time line of their choosing (as the Time Keeper use to say) but they all had to be separated as together they caused they apocalypse. -Alison would be present day, pretty much how we seen the end of season 3. -Klaus and Vik would be sixties but different timelines as they both had people they loved there. -Luther and Sloane would be somewhere in the future travelling the world -Five could be anywhere but an actual retirement, rocking chair on the porch kind of vibe - Diego and Lila would run the commission as a family business -Ben I also envisioned would have to die
I really didnt mind the ending of season 4. It felt appropriate, and an answer to all the hints about why there was an organization trying to let the end of the world happen, why old Five told current Five to not save the world. It felt like a necessary sacrifice that finally led to them being the heroes they were always trained to be. What I minded was the five and a half episodes leading up to that. The regression of characters, the broken promise of having their full powers unrealized, the addition of uninteresting and rushed villains and protagonists, the plot holes, the unanswered questions, the cheesy unecessary scenes on a season that already felt so short on time. Almost every character was dumbed down and treated as a set piece to serve the plot, and thats what sucked the most to me.
Your version is a version I would have really enjoyed watching. You nailed it ! Addressing the main issues : why would the apocalypse be caused by these children out of the 43, why are some characters absent, the very purpose and ways of Reginald. Bravo !
We were so robbed from such a good ending for this show its one of my favorite in netflix, and I feel like it was suppose to go on for maybe atleast one more season since there were a lot of unaswered and unresolved things that they could've expanded on.
For me Five is still in that tiny teenage body so even though he's supposed to be old it looks weird seeing him kiss Lila. Aidan never really drastically grew. Like I don't remember seeing a new season and thinking "Wow, he's grown up!"
OMG THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! It ties everything together like the early seasons did! How is this not what season 4 was?! And seriously how the fuck did they never properly explain Hargreeves backstory????😊
How do you think The Umbrella Academy Season 4 should have ended? Let me know your thoughts in the comments!
Honestly, they should have done what Venture Bros. did and have an 'The Adventure Continues!' ending. Have a big battle, the heroes win, but still fail to save the multiverse. So they pick themselves up, and get ready to try again. They'll stumble and fall, but they'll always have each other's backs no matter what. Because that's what family does.
The way it ended makes sense and is fitting.
We just needed the season and trip to where we got to be better
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I would have fleshed out this series with a lot of things. I don’t actually mind the Jennifer and Ben reaction thing to cause the cleanse. I just think the pacing was screwed and such a rushed season. I also didn’t mind the Lila and Five thing however I think it should have been more a moment of weakness and just a kiss. Lila was mistaken to do so and immediately thought of her family. Five however, fell for Lila - remember he really has a mind beyond his years and has never quite found happiness or proper love. When Lila and Five eventually make it back, the whole cleanse thing would happen (with some better writing). Five tells the family that sacrificing themselves was the only way to save the world/timelines. He has always been clever and almost manipulative (not necessarily in a bad way, always to help the family) - despite verbally criticising them the most. As they gather round in the circle and the mass is suffocating their bodies, we see the family holding hands. Lila takes Diego’s hand, the marigold being sapped from all of their bodies. As Lila goes to take Five’s hand, he blinks at just the right time onto the main body of the monster. He then makes a further gigantic blink pulling monster back into the timeline he spent many years in when he got lost. (The apocalyptic one). This would be Epic as we would see him scream as it took him a few moments to pull such a large thing into another place. Blinking the monster into the other timeline allowed his siblings and Lila to survive, the marigold being removed from their bodies and making them mortal again. Five however, was almost dead from the sheer volume of the blink he had just taken on. Lying on the ground with nothing left - alone back in the timeline he was once lost in, there is an uncanny feeling about going full circle from where season one started for him. Five accepts his fate as the monster takes his body and the remaining marigold whilst being unable to move. This completes the cleanse and we flash straight to where the siblings were left. The ultimate sacrifice from the mastermind of Five. Emotion from the family and their devastation. From potentially leaving them all to die as he originally blinked into the subway, to coming back and saving them all by sacrificing himself. A funeral for Five with the classic Umbrella Academy humour making it a bittersweet moment. This is now where we need to see a time skip ending showing the individual siblings - going from one to the other and capturing a moment of what they are doing in their mortal lives as the show comes to a close.
Not really Because honestly they took out the multiverse since they didn't introduce us to the multiverse well since throughout the series they pointed out to us that it was only a timeline and in the final season they put us in the multiverse But I feel like you have a point since it was just how it was written. But anyway, they introduced us well to it and I didn't like it, it's just my opinion.@@ZakanaHachihaCBC
I wouldn't expect that much for the same writters that forgot that Luther's Gorilla body was unrelated to his powers.
😂 why is no one talking about this
So my theory behind this is that the gorilla body was an upgrade to his powers and all their powers got upgraded here and his body looks more natural here meaning this is what that upgrade was meant to do as he’s now also bullet proof
I’m assuming it has to do with the marigold not giving them their actually/original powers. Both Alison and Victor got different things and Lilia got laser eyes
@@reaperking7431 actually alison power is kinda the same she just doesnt need to say anythin aymore
@@NotAzariel yeah but she also got telekenisis against the dude that trapped klaus. I'd understand forgetting tho since every character used their powers like once each
They gave Luther the Thor treatment. Turned him into a joke.
That's always been Luther. Look up all the viral funny moments. They have all been Luther. Clearly, you don't know anything about the show.
@@Nu2Morrow And clearly you think you know it all, and your opinions are not all, but mostly shit.
@@Nu2Morrowit’s fine with Luther being a comical himbo but the problem is that he’s leaning on the the comic side way too often which I guess is the writers response to him attempting to be the leader and the straight man stock character in Season One not being very good at it because people weren’t happy with him because of his treatment with Victor after being discovered that he’s special just like the rest of the Umbrellas by putting him in the box and leaving it at that despite their protests which I guess is anger in response of what happened with Allison but still they needed to have balance on how to make him the comical while still being the true Number One at the same time and not be afraid of it like if you’re going to address that they realized that they done fucked up with his character then you gotta write that in there and have Luther learn from his mistakes and not be afraid to be serious when needed to be
@@anasaavedra5600 If you actually watch the show, instead of being a hater, he is the key to all the funny moments. However, he still played the real number 1. He protected his family from bullets until he almost died, he didn't want to go to the CIA but did it anyway so Diego could fulfill his dream. He picked Ben up from prison and gave him a home. He was the first to welcome Allison back at the party. Rewatch the season objectively instead of being a hater.
@Nu2Morrow they still did his character dirty. It would've been better if he grew in the aspect of being a leader. Or at least address his fears of leading since the vanya incident. Like the last season threw away all info given to us. Klaus been buried and left in cemetery...expected him to escape himself as growth, expected luther to lead again but with more heart and compassion.
Five not realizing his boss was a keeper was so dumb to be written down since he's always been too perceptive.
Like dygggg😫😫
And it literally meant nothing. Nothing resulted from that reveal besides the guy ominously standing with the other keepers at the end.
They betrayed his character so badly. I feel like he would NEVER get with Lila. specially bc they already had this mortal enemy coworker situation before, and she was his boss's kid and all, I felt that was very uncharacteristic of him, kind of immature
even luther was like “i figured that out but five didn’t ?🤨”
I figured he knew but just didn’t care as knowing who the keepers are didn’t really help anything.
The fact that the ghost of Ben didn’t tell Klaus about the Jennifer thing 😮
Yeah true!
Yea, why wouldn’t Ben say that their dad killed him?
This! Bothered me the whole time while watching it…
feels like the Jennifer thing was recently added.
The Jennifer thing didn't make sense to me at all (although her actress was great)
Bro Netflix really couldn't be bothered about the show and just gave it the Game of Thrones treatment. Also Sloane not being in the final season with Luther is unacceptable.
Even if she wasn't in the final season they could have atleast made that a plot point, maybe when he went to the CIA he looked through some database to find her, but for some reason he didn't care she was gone, minus one line the whole season, also poggo wasn't in this universe, neither was the second Ben they teased in the credits, there's meant to be 2 bens in this time line, I guess we just forget that.
Sloan didn’t need to be apart of the story tho and she was lame honestly
game of thrones is godlike compared to the shitshow that is happened the last 2 seasons of this show
@@michealrosen There was only one Ben. The Ben on the train was Sparrow Ben.
You cant put it all on netflix, the writers butchered the last season above all else
I hated that they merely addressed Ray in a throwaway line, by stating that he just walked out on Allison and Claire, after all she went through to get them back. Having him and Claire die in an accident would have made much more sense. Also, spending more time dedicated to Lila gradually falling out of love with Diego would make more sense, and there wouldn't be any need for an unnecessary love triangle.
I think that Lila and Diego should stay in love, with no romance between Lila and Five. I think Lila and Five should build up a friendship with each other, but nothing romantic since that's really weird (Five is in his sixties mentally, but a teenager physically), Five wouldn't care for romance, and Lila loves Diego.
With Allison I think she should have a redemption arc throughout season four.
it also just doesn’t any make sense that ray walked out on Allison and Claire like the ray we know from season 2 would NEVER
I would have loved if Ray had been a part, or even created, the Keepers. Like Allison brought him to this new timeline without his consent, and he could have started having visions of his life in the 60s and realised the timeline had been messed with, and his personality would totally fit with creating a movement to fight back ! Even if it was just addressed in a quick flashback sequence, it would have been interesting... actually, I would have loved flashbacks showing all the characters' lives during the 6 years jump (Luther searching for Sloane, Lila and Diego's mariage falling apart, how the hell Five ended up at the CIA if he's physically 19 yo...)
@@idk.bruhhhhexactly he fought for black civil rights his whole thing was family he was the whole reason klaus came to his senses why would he leave bc of him without him he wouldn’t have known where his sister was bc they met in jail bc he was protesting
It would have been nice for at least a flashback scene of ray leaving, but it makes sense he did. He wasn’t willing to go with her to the future at the end of the 60s timeline. It makes sense he’d resent her for bringing him to her in her timeline
one big complaint i had about the final season was that luther and allison both seemed to completely forget that she sexually assaulted him, without her ever apologizing
Nothing from last season was carried over. Everyone acted like nothing happened from the last season at all.
I don't remember this! 😮 what happened?
@thais2325 in S3, Allison was alone and frustrated, watching the rest of her family be somewhat happy. So she slowly became a villain just bevause she never got her own happiness. Luther and her always had chemistry but now he was with Sloane and couldn't accept her advances. This made her lash out and she 'rumoured' him to love her, and to kiss her, despite him trying to resist. He had to fight against her and nothing else happened.
They BARELY addressed it in like a couple lines of dialogue last season and then never brought it up again. It really pisses me off tbh
Fairly realistic. Any victimologist will tell you that men being sexually assaulted often doesn’t get treated seriously and usually gets brushed off or played for laughs in media.
I missed snarky Five. He really stole the show for the longest time, especially the first two seasons.
Kind of a real throwaway ending if you ask me.
Yeah Five was the best character in the first few seasons
Agreed.
I do understand that he's probably more tired and jaded in S4 though. Seems like a reasonable character arc.
Loved his arc non the less.
@@HT-pl8duI agree with this.
I personally would've had the show end with 5 realizing what actually broke the Timeline was him being stuck in the future for 45 year's. Seeing that future set off a chain reaction that set it in stone. Five would then traveled back in time to the day he first left as a kid and stop himself. Telling his Younger self everything and telling him not to trust Reginald and that Victor had power and How Ben Died. Altering the timeline this way would make the Siblings turn on Reginald as the true villain as Children. And instead of Killing him they'd Lock him in the same room he locked Viktor in. Time skip would've showed all of them living their lives free of their trauma and together as adults.
That’s the only way I’d accept erasing of the previous seasons 😭 that sounds so healing
You get a grandfather paradox again.
Paradox again
Omg YES. This is GENIUS. You ATE with this one.
@booktales1687 you get the grandpa paradox again but honestly this is way better than what we got
I heard a rumour netflix ruined the umbrella academy
i heard a rumor s4 didnt happen❤
I heard a rumor this comment is woefully underrated. 😉
I heard a rumour that Allison never apologized or acknowledged the fact that she basically sexually assaulted Luthor in Season 3.
@@jenniferrollin5777and they are “siblings”!?!?!?🧐🤔
@@youknowkaizak Adopted. A weird choice that they referred to each other as siblings and still date, same in the comics
I'm fine with the concept of the ending where they all died together. The whole plot leading up to the ending is the problem. I only saw 2-3 characters that had redemption; Klaus, Allison, and Viktor.
The whole cast deserved so much better.
yea espeically five and diego, the whole five and lila relationship threw me off
Agreed. The actual idea of the ending is perfect, having the cleanse be exactly what the universe needed to reset and allowing the 8 of them to die
The family all dying together was unrewarding. It’s not fair that they get punished and blamed for the apocalypse by simply existing. “I’m sorry I was BORN”
it’s just such a terrible narrative. klaus never got clean and was trafficked, allison’s redemption didn’t pay off at all given all the build up of her story, and viktor at least got closure but his connection with the only family member that was nice to him was broken. this show is clearly about 6/7/8 victims of abuse and it ends with them all dying? what the hell kind of message is that?
@@lizanya6433what bothered me about Klaus is that he went up to somebody he owed money too and asked him to shoot him (knowing he could not die) - like why? What was the goal?
Also; how is someones first reaction „oh I am going to make him a prostiture“ when you see someone come back to live? Mind you, that is a world where super powers are not a thing….
Cannot believe how much they fucked up this show. This needs to be studied. I hope UA comes back as animated series, Hellboy style.
It was canceled so they had to change the story.
@@Maroz4106 Change it this badly???
2 things.
1) I hated this lila and five's relationship. It was such a pure platonic relationship that they built over the seasons only to be ruined like this. I was rooting for them to 'not' kiss but they did. Ugh!
2) why give klaus such a unique power/ability and never gave him a chance to use his power to the fullest. The time he was buried i really wanted him to summon the spirits and as everyone's powers evolved , the pet spirits might actually dug him out of there.
Such a great show with multiple future plots just ended over nothing.
I already like your ending much better than the canon one. It's sad to see such a promising show start off so strongly, then go out with a whimper. I would definitely have brought Sloane back, since she meant so much to Luther, and thanks for offering an explanation for why Sparrow Ben survived the reset, but she didn't.
The canon hasn't ended the graphic comic novel is far behind the show, just like Got it's not over, so the show ending probably won't match the material
I saw an interview with one of the show runners and there was supposed to be a storyline of Luther looking for Sloan. That would have been awesome, but ultimately I love how the show wrapped up
Luther’s character arc should have been him looking for Sloane or about him dealing with her being gone in the new timeline. He had nothing to do this season.
Bringing Sloan back is an emotional reaction just because you want a happy Disney ending. You don't understand the theme of this show at all.
I’m guessing they couldn’t afford to have many actors. They did say there was a budget cut
A big plot hole for me (which is why the ending didn't make sense) is... there were 43 children born on that day, children with abilities like the Umbrella Academy, but those children weren't adopted by Reginald to be a part of the team. In the end scene, the siblings were adamant that everyone had to be present in order for Ben x Jennifer to eat them or whatever and for the cleanse to be started. Why were the Hargreeves siblings alone sufficient? What about all those other children born with marigold in them? Are we supposed to assume that none of them survived the timeline reset?
Agreed it makes no sense, a few our of 43 is not all of the maragold, so all of the children would need to be present, so it makes absolutely no sense, it would have been nice to see all of the children at one point or another, like the fire kid
I think because when they entered that timeline, nobody had powers until Ben fed them the marigold... Cuz otherwise by the time they got there another academy would've already been formed (like umbrella, sparrow, Phoenix etc)
@@celestia_0894thank you this makes sense I was trying so hard to understand this
it’s cause when the timeline reset, the marigold was never released, which is why the siblings didn’t have their powers. then ben gave them the marigold and that’s why they got their powers, but the rest of the marigold children never got that marigold.
Agreed, it was just not very satisfying
it's amazing how one person in just a couple days (and almost every other person to try) came up with a much better ending than an entire professional team who had a lot longer to work with.
These are the same professionals who seem to have "fixed" their writers block by doing some drugs and decided to make a block a character with 0 explanation. Like are we really supposed to believe that a woman gave birth to a cube??
I think the six year time skip is to justify Aiden Gallagher not passing for being a 13 year old and to have teen drama with claire
To be fair he looks almost identical to his younger self.
Claire? U mean Lila?
@@HowToRender nah I meant like Alison would have trouble with her teen daughter and it's an excuse for Claire to be alone I guess
@AnvilPictures nah you can definitely tell he's older
@@jessie9771 he’s taller but his face looks almost the same. Some people’s face change drastically during that growth stage. But his face has stayed relatively the same.
7 killing Hargreeves sounds so fitting
Yeah it would definitely be poetic!
The whole “Cleanse” thing from this season could have actually worked if only it made sense. Before the finale I thought the cleanse would be like the kugelblitz from the last season but instead they have Ben and Jennifer turning into some kind of monster it just didn’t make sense. Like how was that supposed to destroy every different timeline? Was it going to eat the timelines and if so how was it suppose to travel to different timelines in order to destroy them? I also feel like they could have done something completely different with the train storyline. Like throughout all of the promotions for the season they were hyping up how the train would have played a huge part in the story that would help them fix the timeline, but the only major plot point they used the train for was that weird, stupid five and Lila cheating arc. They had all of the material to make it work but they didn’t do it properly and just messed up the series finale to a show people adored.
It would have been fun if the villain was one of their comic villains. Like Dr. Terminal
Because the monster kills Reginald and Abigail and the umbrella academy which is what started everything. Use your brain to do some critical thinking. Making it a monster with intelligence instead of a mindless slow ball of death makes sense as it can move and won't give them a million hours to figure out how to stop it.
@@Nu2MorrowWhy is killing them in one timeline affect the other timelines and cease them all in existence?
@@OfficialDenzy Did you not watch the last episode? That's how s4 ended and made sure there were no more timelines.
@@OfficialDenzy The writers just wrote some sci-fi bs about the particles in the Umbrella family meshing with whatever particles was in the other girl and just said they magically destroy all timelines. You kinda just gotta role with it.
i was hoping klaus would find sobriety to look for david, a lot of fans want that relationship back, and it would be a great motivation for klaus's sobriety since he primarily does the drugs to drown out the spirits
David died in the war and if he were alive he'd be ancient
@@afghdkfekjk1509 yes.. they mean as a ghost
Wow, this ending is so much better and truly makes a lot of sense. It answers questions that they left unanswered and ties loose knots together. There were too many inconsistencies in the original ending, but this one flows way better and has much better character arcs for all of the characters.
Random birthday party is crazy. I thought it made sense because even in a dysfunctional family a birthday party for a niece or nephew would always bring them back.
The whole thing is so wierd. It's a birthday party for kids. It's pitch black outside, and guests keep arriving seemingly hours apart. It must be in the middle of the night by the time it ends xD
@@SwedishWookiethe birthday party was for diego and lyla's kid yall did you miss that entirely. It literally wasn't random
I still don’t get how Lila suddenly has a family. Her parents were killed by five /the handler and she was adopted by the handler. Yes it’s a different timeline but why would Lila pursue her birth family, aside from Klaus doing it once (met his mother) all the others haven’t bothered.
I also missed Fives quips and general attitude this season. If there was ever a series that should benefit from a redo it would be this.
Perhaps they could do something like sense 8 did and do a feature length episode (movie) to round it up properly. Having the marigolds sprout at the end could give them a redo… though it probably was just symbolic.
Except the execution was so bad I felt like just a regular dysfunctional family not the mega level of dysfunction the hargreeves have.
Fr, it felt less dysfunctional than a family reunion I would have with mine.
Five deserved a whole arc where he became a more empathetic and just generally nice person through learning from past mistakes while keeping his flair and not becoming a total softie and possibly sacrificing his life for his siblings for a beautiful ending, instead he just got watered town to a weird guy who had a totally different personality all of a sudden and just liked Lilla in a relationship that is just totally weird relationship. Also him dying thinking Diego hated him was a cruelty I cannot fathom.
I thought that 5 would die. He realized that he is the problem from the start. By time jumping he started everything. His whole arc was always saving the world. He always wanted to fix everything (and most of the time he tried it alone). In the end he wouldn’t try to save the world but erasing himself from every timeline (through a crazy time jump where we could see a big summary of all his moments with his family). That would have been a nice call back to his old self “to not save the world“. He reached the conclusion to fix everything but he didn’t have the power to do so. That’s also why no other version could find a solution because they always wanted to fix everything and didn’t think about “giving up“ by killing themselves/ erasing their existence. After this big reset we see the lifes of the umbrella academy without knowing each other (In my ending 5 took his “dad“ with him and erased him as well)
That would be cool
Actually, yeah, I didn't realize it before but you're absolutely right that 5 jumping is absolutely what sets off the apocalypse. S1 Vanya wouldn't have destroyed the world since they mention 5 as one of their only friends within the family -- having 5 around would've changed so much, maybe Ben wouldn't have even died (the Jennifer incident as it is... is such a stupid idea and I feel like originally he might've been planned to die differently). Having him go back and stop himself from making that jump somehow would also have been a great way to bring back the kid actors for an episode or two
I also imagined that when one of the fives said "we are the problem". He has time travel abilities, I wouldn't be surprised if he single-handedly butterfly-effected the entire world into pure chaos.
This version will be cannon in my mind, this would’ve been so much better than what we received. Thank you for your hard work!
I suggest adding the bit @tylerkennedy3207 brought to this canon, where both Five and Lila actually spend some time in favor of killing Ben and side with Hargreeves; they both are credible about "end justifies the means" and willing and their ties with the commision are proof of that
But in the end they would come back together and realize the best ending is to them not fit in the original timeline, undo their existences and put an end to the apocalypses (but that would undo their children since they weren't there in the first place)
If I recall, the showrunner's explanation of the Ben on the Train in Korea was just a future glimpse of "Sparrow Ben" on his way to do his Crypto Scam and the Train as a foreshadowing of the train that Five ends up discovering....which I think was just their excuse of dropping this storyline that was set up and expected to be.
Agreed it was just lazy writing, if they had another season, the Ben on the train would be revealed as a different Ben
Season 1 was so GOATed I could rewatch it constantly
Only 6 episodes and they wasted most of them on irrelevant subplots like Klaus being captured and Five and Lila being stuck in the subway system
I was screaming that 6 Adults , couldn't or didn't rent a Van an took 1 with a stuck song playing
it was a fun scene tho
I think there were 8 adults
The stuck song had me annoyed and the second hand embarrassment was constantly present 😭😭
@@IsabelleReads The goal was ultimate discomfort. I’m sure having everyone throw up green goo while playing baby shark in the background for a solid ten minutes in total wasn’t supposed to be pleasant. We were supposed to be uncomfortable with the characters.
@@Itomon It was pretty fun the first time but not the second and third time.
I love all those revisions except fir the ending. Everything ceasing to exist feels too depressing for the Umbrella Academy. I think it would be nice for everything to reset to a universe where the marigold was never released, because Hargreeves never survived or something.
All the siblings were still born to their respective families, but maybe at different times. We still have the park scene, but it has the main group there by happenstance for their own separate reasons. Some end up interacting, not knowing each other, but for some reason immediately liking each other. Luther is definitely there with Sloane. Ben and Klaus wound up being roommates. Diego and Lila meet for the first time and start flirting immediately. Victor is playing the violin to a crowd that Allison and her family are sitting in. Then it shows them all getting beat at chess by Five one after another.
Their story is over, but they get to live their lives free of Hargreeves and their destiny.
Get in a writing room now
excatly. Imagine trying to save the world multiple times just to stop existing at the ending
I think it would've been interesting if Allison got to keep her powers in the latest timeline, only for her to be unable to control it. Whether Ray and Claire survive her powers or not, she'd carry so much guilt knowing she betrayed her family trying to get everything she ever wanted only for things to turn out like that.
i was getting interested in allisons character because she seemed to be the new star of season 3, they had a lot of potential for her but no, its just ben being an absolute asshole and ruining the world
that probably would’ve made her kill herself tbh sounds too cruel
They even could have gone full drama and made it so her out of control powers are the reason Ray and Claire died. Or she had to leave them for their safety and they are just out there living their lives somewhere offscreen, meaning she did get her end of the bargain by having them in the world, but the monkey's paw is her powers are so strong she is too scared to ever get near them again.
I tbh don’t think they should die for the reasons of the abuse that they went through from Reginald’s hand. And that they should be able to live happily without their powers in the normal time line
It would also be interesting from a different standpoint if 5 and Lila both side with Hargreeves to kill Sparrow Ben and the new realities' Ben just cause Five is willing to do whatever it takes to protect his family, and Lila is also desperate to protect her children. But in the end, they both realise it's not worth killing the Bens as they'll be exactly like Reginald where "the ends justify the means" sort-off idea and they'll help their family fight against Reginald.
Also maybe the family could figure out how to use the Marigold and the Durango to fuse both of the Bens together effectively mixing both personalities to bring about a new Ben with the same memories but a new personality and character to that of the OG Ben from S1 and 2.
IDK I'm not a writer but the wasted potential of the final season of one of my favorite shows on Netflix is probably the biggest letdown for me from Netflix.
I can actually see Five and Lila leaning that way, considering Five's always been a very "the end justifies the means" kind of person, and I don't think there's much he wouldn't sacrifice to save his family - even if it hurts him greatly. There's a reason he spent over 4 decades trying to get back. There's a reason he joined the commission. There's a reason he let the commisssion do what it did to him, even if it stripped parts of him away that he feels he might never get back. And it could be interesting to explore because it wouldn't be something he would take lightly either, but the rest of the siblings wouldn't be able to see it that way which would just empathise the divide between Five and his family after everything he's been through and the time they've spent apart.
And Lila's very similar to Five in a lot of aspects, especially with their shared background with the Comission. Plus the fact that Lila so desperately wants a family and she wouldn't want anything to happen to the one she finally has. I think she's a very "everything I've ever let go of has claw marks on it" kind of person.
Love this! This makes the video's suggestion even better :)
im not too sure about the fusing ben stuff, because it just sounds really screwed up and seems unnecessary. killing him would be a lot more easier esp when they dont even know the guy, but the other ideas were pretty good.
Agreed! I feel like they gave them the 6 years gap in order to give them an “ending”? They got 6 years to live a normal life and I saw that as their send-off.
Sad to not see Sloane this season.
Your story is wayyyyy better than what netflix did😭😭😭😭
Glad you enjoyed it!
Bro Ray could’ve just been on a trip for work lol
Every fan theory I’ve seen has been so much better than what we got. It’s so painful to see a show you grew to love and then get GoT’d at the final season.
Honestly everything up to the end i thought was really good. But just, "everyone died and the world ended" is such a crappy way to end the story. It makes basically all the efforts of the past seasons completely meaningless. I'd honestly prefer something with one of the Ben's getting killed by Reginald or something, or using the subway system as a way to resort the timelines and put the Ben's back to stabilize things. Honestly not sure, but just everyone dying makes the whole show feel pointless. Much like how it already did feel with it's current ending
Yeah, your better sounding ending asserts what I have said about the actual ending
It wasn’t just the fact that the show ended with the hargreeves siblings being erased , it was the fact that they humanized Reginald, when season 3 made it clear that he was meant to be an antagonist and final boss
But they wasted that opportunity, badly.
He's been the final boss for 2 seasons. Can he not be a nice guy in any timeline? How boring.
@@Nu2Morrow Actually, Viktor/Vanya was the final boss in S1 while The Handler was the final boss in S2.
@@pepito2847 Point still stands. He's been evil every timeline. What are the chances he's evil again? They did the right thing for this season making him not evil again.
@@Nu2Morrow Coming across a version of Reginald that’s a genuine good person would be a neat thing to do for a one episode only plot
But the Reginald that has made their lives hell, does not deserve to be good.
@@pepito2847 Again, that's your own personal hatred of the character which has nothing to do with what the creators should do. They don't write stories to only make your favorites the good guy
Five charcter was so stupid this season it's horrible 😢
Yeah he was so intelligent before!
It’s like they nerfed him all around. Not just his powers but also his intellect
Yeah turned him into a complete crybaby
No, they gave him depth by making him emotional and make mistakes. Prior seasons, he was just a one-dimensional person with a single goal.
@@BrainPilot He's a human who has emotions and can make mistakes. Stop acting like he can be some intelligent robot forever.
Thematically, I don't think they could have ever had the kids kill Reginald. The themes of the show are about abuse, especially child abuse and the main thing that a lot of people don't like about this season is that it ends with the characters all dying, the message is "sometimes dying is the best way to deal with trauma" which is... well-- it's pretty bad. Killing Reggie would have the message that either "revenge is always the answer" or "the only way to escape childhood trauma is to kill its source". I do agree that Viktor should have had his moment to stand up to Reggie but it would have been a lot more satisfying and thematically relevant for the group to lock him up (in prison, time, or even the Subway) and move on. I don't know-- just a thought.
This is the first comment I've seen that specifically brings up the main theme of child abuse in the series, and how it should inform the plot. I do think killing Hargreeves would still be in line with the growth of the children of finally overcoming their trauma though, in a very literal sense and entertaining TV sense. Some of the comments saying he could reveal his alien form and be the final boss sounds very fun.
The message doesn't necessarily have to be "you need to kill your abuser", but that you can choose that they don't matter to you - stop chasing for their approval, not care about how they think of you. Accept that they won't change and stop letting them hurt you. It'd just be a lot more dramatic if they killed him, but it ultimately shows that they finally no longer see or value him as their father figure. They'd stay as a family, but collectively disown Reginald. In the final moment, when he tries to manipulate them again and pull the family card, Victor can tell him he is not their father before he/they kill him.
Not against your ideas, just think the children killing him still makes sense thematically. But I'm really glad you mentioned it (frankly I had forgotten about it lol) !!!
1000x better, this is how you make a "grand sacrifice" ending actually worth it instead of feeling like a lazy cop-out. This guy should've been in the writing room!
Thanks!
I know they weren't meant to be in any timeline, but I was just hoping to see an alternate timeline(s) where they all have their own ideal lives.
The constant cycle of self-pity and self-destruction that the characters go through in every season is exhausting and repetitive. It’s frustrating to see them save the world and end each season on a high note, only to fall apart again at the start of the next. This back-and-forth feels like a waste of valuable plot time, with the same issues being rehashed season after season.
The rushed ending left a bitter taste, making it clear that more time should have been spent developing the plot rather than revisiting tired character arcs. One of the most pointless storylines was Klaus being kidnapped and used as a sex toy-an unnecessary distraction that wasted precious screen time in an already limited episode count. This time could have been better spent enriching the overall plot.
The final episode felt too short, with an abrupt conclusion that made little sense. The villains didn’t have enough screen time to make any real impact, and as a result, they never felt truly menacing or significant to the story. Overall, this season was a major disappointment, with potential squandered by poor pacing and repetitive storytelling.
Before S3, I really thought of the attempts of Five getting back to the original timeline, the 2019 one, and get to make Viktor acknowledge his power to prevent the apocalypse. But since we didn't got this, Sparrow Academy only existed to nothing, not even Sloane survived the lazy writing. My question about the others who were born with marigold werent answered.
S3 ending made it feel like Reginald would be the villain, and belive or not, it was kind of obvious that the writer wanted to give Five a love story, BUT I NEVER THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE WITH HIS BROTHERS WIFE!!!! In my head, S4 would follow this new character who's held by Reginald and his wife, she (somehow) would have the powers coming from the marigold but also would runway from Reginald and find the Umbrella Academy. Turns out that this happened with Jennie, but her story was so off. And if the writer wanted SO MUCH to Five to have a love story, would be way better if the character were similar to him by age (maybe also trapped in a teenager body) but with her own story to get the timelines safe again. Idk so much potential lost.
I’ll explain: basically every person who had previously gotten powers (including the umbrellas) has them wiped away after the timeline reset. They were only ones who took marigold after and that’s why they were the only people who needed to die to fix the timelines. However, I don’t think that’s the end. The first time Ben tried to give Klaus the marigold, he dumped it over his shoulder and the marigold had landed on another man. But it still showed alt timelines being deleted so maybe that was an irrelevant detail. I was thinking viktor would’ve taken the marigold out of them and only sacrifice himself for his siblings, but that didn’t happen.
Your version made me tear up at the end. That was something I didn't do in the original. Yes, yes, yes to ALL of this especially Victor killing Reg, Five getting them together, getting rid of Jen/addressing Ben 2, and they ended it all happy together period. Thank you for sharing this
they said in the trailer ben was the key to understanding the timelines, but seriously where was that? it felt more like five who was understanding them, especially with the power to go into different timelines...?
I'm guessing the 6 year time jump was because of the gaps between making the seasons and the fact that Aidan Gallagher had aged. The previous 3 seasons had all happened within the span of a few weeks/months, (for Five at any rate) but Five now looks 18/19/20 instead of 13/14. So, they had to take that into account. Also, because they went with that storyline of him and Lila, it was better in their eyes if his body was at least of legal age. 🙄
They messed the whole thing up so bad. There was no character development or growth. Everything was rushed. Like was said in the video, we weren't SHOWN anything -- we were TOLD.
The list is so long with my problems with this season, I wouldn't know where to begin and my post would be too long. I'll have to do it in separate posts (if I feel like going into it).
How it should've ended? I don't know. I really don't like the whole self-sacrifice plot. It's not the sibling's faults that they were born and messed up the "true" timeline. I think just Reggie should have sacrificed himself (and Abigail) and that somehow TUA could've survived to live somewhat normal lives.
(C'mon, there can't be a universe without FIVE! That's a bleak universe indeed 😁 ).
When I saw multiple Five at that cafe, I thought they were gonna explained no other Umbrella Academy crew could sacrifice themselves to reset the timeline.
Therefore the Five that we know would come to the conclusion that maybe their Umbrella Academy could come to getter to sacrifice themselves. Being the only group in every timeline to do it.
That would make the ending more meaningful and making us realize why we were following this gang of Umbrella Academy. Because they're the ones that stops the whole collapse of the multiverse.
We need a how it should have ended ending animated
someone will prolly make one eventually!
The only show that i have seen that did two great endings was Breaking Bad. They filmed with an amazing ending and then when Sony gave them another season, they killed it again. Thats what great writing does.
THIS!!! We call netflix for a do-over...
I so truly appreciate that season 1 to 3 were all connected and built up but season 4 felt out of place. I really liked your theory more than the show. Also if its the finale then 10 episodes should have done justice.
I could tolerate Five and Lila kissing if their immediate reaction to that was like: Ew! Jesus fucking Christ look what this isolation is doing to us! We need to go back like yesterday, apocalypse doesn't seem so bad now
And they would return with a firm THAT NEVER HAPPENED agreement between them.
I am so glad you made all these Umbrella Academy videos because I am so sad to see this show end. Your version sounds better than what we got but ultimately I wish this show would have continued. In my perfect world we would have gotten multiple "Academy" shows... Umbrella Academy, Sparrow Academy, Phoenix Academy, ect. These shows lead to an eventual crossover season that could have ended all of the series and answered all questions.
Brilliant! I love how you've maintained a line that carries through and keeps it consistent even through the multiple timelines. It would have made a satisfying ending and tied the endings of multiple stories while giving us backgrounds when we hadn't heard. Absolutely brilliant.
Thanks!
My main problem with the ending is that they merge with the durango to destroy the marigold. But there is both MORE PEOPLE WITH POWERS (Sparrows, fire guy from the phoenix academy, ETC.) And so many more 5's In the deli. Which would mean that the others have more clones of themselves. SO REALLY they are just dying and not saving anyone.
It would have been neat if Sloan was a part of the keepers, longing for a life she thought she had or is having dreams about! Could make for some interesting dynamics and drama
Good idea. It sucks that they didn’t bring back Sloan. Guess they ran out of budget after last season. Without her, Luther’s own development went nowhere.
Oo i would have liked to see that
I'm so sick of horrible endings.
This series could have continued. I hope someone buys the rights and remakes this properly.
I just started watching again. Not a fan of season 3, and so far not of season 4 either. Which sucks; the first two were great, and I know for sure they had the comic as a template. I think this is gunna be a series that ends after season 2, just like “Game Of Thrones” ended after season 6,and “Star Wars” ended after “Return of the Jedi”.
I needed this!! Sensible, plausible and natural. But script writers don’t get all the autonomy they need sometimes. Thanks for giving us another version to hold on to.
actually crazy good story writing, good job!
Thanks!
"The error of the imbalance of there being 2 bens" All that would cause is paradoxcicosis.
a couple of questions of your re-write. Why have Clair and Ray killed? they were allison's entire drive, having them killed removes all the effort she put in s1, s2 and s3. They shouldnt want to have their powers back. Five ruined his own life with them, Luther has ONLY known his life with powers, he should want more. Allison destroyed her marrige with them. Klaus was traumatized. Viktor distroyed the world like 3 times. And above all, they're (the powers) a simbol of Hargreeves power over them. the rest is pretty good.
I actually enjoyed the power changes showing that the Marigold was not the original ones that they had in the first timeline. I also liked the subway station and Five figuring out the endless pursuit of fixing the timeline. But Lila does not need to join him. And Durango did not need to exist. The two Bens should be the issue like you said, and solving the time crisis would be to end Ben, which they would never do. I liked the forgotten memory concept of Ben original but it should've been for some other reason, perhaps Ben found out the truth about Hargreeves.
kinda off topic but i cant stand victor. he is always criticizing everyone and actively tries to avoid the family. he always thinks hes in the right on everything and everyone else is wrong, and gets all pissy when people dont do what he wants. it also felt like a therapy session for elliot page more than a victor character arc.
Same. He picks everything and everyone over the family all the time.
I feel vanya (OG comics) , was massively based off Gerard way himself in many ways, and the comic was definitely a therapy session.
YESS I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THIS 😭
So it's typical trantifa behavior. Got it.
@@arcanewarrior863I don't know enough about Way, his childhood, or his worldviews but I'd be interested in hearing how he feels about his art being turned into something with such a specific message compared to other works.
For example - I actually prefer the tone/message of Snyder's treatment of Watchmen over the graphic novel (but dislike the changes made to the main villains motivation). It feels more 'timeless' to me as to where all this Elliot page Vanya/Viktor shit makes this show already feel dated.
since they all die together at the end i feel like it would’ve been bittersweet for luther to be like “wait wait wait”
and run upstairs before they power up. everyone would be annoyed but we cut to Luther searching his room(even if it’s a different timeline they’re still bleeding into each other) and he finds a record but they don’t show it, he goes back downstairs and then nods and everyone’s like “what was that for?” and he just smiles as music fades in and it’s “i think we’re alone now” they power up and wait for the end and one of them starts dancing and eventually they all do, and then finally BOOM they’re gone.
I especially hate the fact that diego and five died grudging each other. Really rubbed me the wrong way. Nothing like a little dance off to sweeten it 😢
So instead of an ending where the main cast dies and there's no one to remember them, we get an ending where the entire world dies and there's no one to remember them?
Dude your version is way better!!! Love it. I feel redemption in a way. Thank you
Sloane not coming back was just the largest issue as her and Luther's relationship was my favorite part of Season 3. Considering she was in the room when the new timeline was made would have made sense to have her be in the new timeline.
I like your idea with there being too many Bens and I could see that being an example of Sloane too where she also had a variant in the new universe. And if they wanted to get rid of her character, have it that somehow the Sloane encounter one another and by doing so cancelled out each other's existance unintentionally. Having that cause the cracks in the timeline where artifacts are coming through.
The idea then being that if the same thing happened to the Bens, the timeline would be destoryed altogether. Maybe Sparrow Ben, since none of his siblings made it to the new timeline (other than Sloane), would become evil and he orchestrated the Sloanes, realizing he can do the same if he found Train Ben.
Ben and Jennifer "absorbed" the whole planet, the other 35 gifted people with marigold born the same way were "absorbed" by Ben. If one of them left in another timeline just like Lila was about to do with her family and Claire… it wouldn’t have worked.
The 35 other gifted people didn’t exist in the world because the marigold was contained in this universe (hence why none of the original 7 had any powers at the beginning of the season) - upon Ben releasing it, the only ones who had marigold were the 7
You know something that ticked me off in this hot mess of a season was that Allison drank marigold to get her power when she wasn't even drained of it like wtf did the writers just forget about plot points that they set up??????
This concept of season 4 would’ve definitely been 10x better than the actual ending! Honestly, they should have just left it at season 3.
Facts my hopes were destroyed n I don't plan on finishing it
Season 4 with a new ending:
- Reginald is exploiting humanity to some extent, being a bad leader. Our heroes realize that it's not enough to just save the world; they also need to free it from Reginald's leadership.
- They discover a way to enter different timelines (using power juice from Reginald's wife, similar to the show) to regain their powers by collecting more power juice from these timelines.
- In the midseason finale, they come together to defeat Reginald. He reveals the true origin of the power juice, explaining that he stole it from an ancient guardian and released it into the multiverse to create his perfect timeline.
- Now, they must collect the remaining power juice from various timelines (fighting bosses and completing random tasks) and absorb it to unlock new powers, enabling them to solve the multiverse problem.
-Finally, all parts of the power juice are gathered in the same timeline, allowing the group to use this power to create the Commission, which will timeloop everything that happened to bring the original timeline together and solving the multiverse problem.
-They live out their lives in the final timeline, and as they grow older and the rest of the family dies of old age, Five (being the youngest) absorbs all the juice. He ultimately decides to keep himself alive within the Commission to guard the final timeline. This is the guardian Reginald eventually finds and fights to steal the juice from, repeating the loop all over again to reach the final timeline.
That sounds cool
This storyline would have been so much better.
Luther seemed the most happy in season 4 ironically lol
Okay a little theory, is that when this timeline was created, they had to use the last bits marigold (the last members of umbrella academy and sparrow, the other marigold users were dead in the last timeline so there marigold wasn’t transported to the new time line, ) to use as a fuel for the machine to create this timeline, so when the marigold was no longer in use Reggie took the marigold and put it in the jar so no one can accidentally use the same machine (that’s why it’s a liquid in s4 but when Reggie has it, it’s like a dust) and it explains why there powers are a little “off” (Alison doesn’t need to say “I heard a rumour”, fives colour went from blue to purple etc)
Reggie made 8 or 43 (idk) random mothers (that were already pregnant that gave birth all on the same day, maybe?) and he adopted 7 of the kids, this explains how all of “his children” have the same last name still, and how Lila has her family, and they just sorta “possessed” the original ones, I guess.
When they walk away from each other they possess the body’s in this timeline this explains the end credits scene of Ben, he has just possessed the body’s in the new timeline,
Sloane is just with her family somewhere out of America that’s why Luther couldn’t find her, or she gave up her life to bring back Luther for this timeline or she could just be dead ?
This is the best way I’m thinking that makes sense of all the plot holes they have created in the this season but even then there’s still questions
Why the ending doesn’t make sense:
1. If the only way to correct the timelines is for the siblings to fuse themselves with the giant monster thing, couldn’t they just go to the train station and grab a “defeated” version of themselves that would be willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good?that would be a good plot bc when they go into the train station time stops and they return back to the same day and the moment they left. I mean it’s not like these Hargreaves are all from the same timeline so why did they specifically have to die?
2. Somehow Lila puts her family on the correct train to the og timeline? I mean if it had been any other train they would’ve been erased when the train-station and all the other timelines were erased. Yet they made it to the og timeline which mean Lila knew which train to put them on to save them.
3. There are 43 marigold children per timeline so how only 7 of them needed to fuse together doesn’t make any sense.
Because their powers had been wiped after the timeline reset and they were only ones who consumed the marigold
@@Yeibaldreamss Not true because we saw other Marigold people in season 4, namely Apocalypse Five and the Phoenix Academy.
@@stefantherainbowphoenix keep in mind they went back in time in order to interact with the phoenix academy. In the present of that same timeline, they’re all dead already. Same story in every other timeline we see; either everyone is dead or the marigold children simply never existed to begin with.
@@stefantherainbowphoenix phoenix academy and apocalypse five were different timelines.
It wasn't just these versions who died - when they merged with the cleanse, all of them in every timeline were wiped from existence. They never existed because marigold was never released so they never were born. Even if other Hargreeves' siblings sacrified themselves, our siblings would still cease to exist.
Not saying it is a good plot, but it isn't a plot hole - it was explained in the show.
I loved the scene where Viktor confronted Reginald and explained how he was the cause of the apocalypse - almost killing Reginald.
I do think it was a missed opportunity for Diego to lose an eye. Like his comic book counterpart The Kraken, his extra ability should have been increased lung capacity like his comic book counterpart.
They should have given 5 a female version of himself to be his romance. It would have been funny to see him fall in love with himself as a female which ties back to how goofy him being in love with a mannequin was. Luther should have been a real astronaut or at least worked for nasa. Diego should have been special forces in the military which can tie into why Lila has fallen out of love. Victor life was cool. 5 should have been a business guru. Ben going to prison was cool and Allison losing it all was perfect karma. It should have ended with all of them having to give up their powers and dying but they all had scenes in which the monster got to them while they were trying to escape it. 5 being the only one to escape do to being in the train place but met his other selves and realized he had to sacrifice himself to reset everything
I thought the post credit scene was Ben going to see his living mother. I wanted them to show the comic book version of the characters who are more capable, but they decided on everyone vomiting to baby shark. Reginald and his wife have human forms but we know that they arent, which makes me believe that world they left wasn't their origin planet. Unless they are like Trill from Star Trek and their host bodies got damaged. The comic book pretty much stopped, so they really could have explored all of that. Even the diner seems to be an exposition dump . I think they were offered way less money to end it all.
I would have gone with 'LIFE is struggle' and embraced the 'We are always going to be trying to save a world from destruction. Sometimes win, sometimes lose; always together.'
Very good! I still would have wanted a happy ending because TUA was always a show that ultimately made people feel good, but this makes so, so much more sense than the season we got.
I legitimately think the 6 year time jump was only to rationalize Five's actors aging and also to make the eventual romance with Lila less cringey because there is no question that his body is now an adult (although he still looks pretty young)
I like Jennifer as a concept but the whole Marigold oppsite is a fun idea but they just rushed its explanation. Instead of getting into the mystery of Reginald and his wife and the truth behind the marigold.
The only way I dealt with the trauma of watching this season is imagining alternative ways it could have gone with the story. They messed it up so much that I was not able to put it back together. You did a wonderful job here. It would have been a great final season
You know I also feel like a good ending would have been if the umbrella academy finally got back to their original timeline with the original Ben and all the problems they had before got solved because of how close they are as a family now
I love so much of your input and commentary in this video. I am gonna use a lot of it to build my own version of how this series ended.
This was an incredible idea of redoing this season tbh, it had its moments but the way they ended it with the siblings being at odds witch one another was so dumb
I think just fixing the finale episode would work where Viktor absorbed the marigold from the other siblings and sacrificed themself to the cleanse.
This would create a proper ending for Viktor as they were the ones who destroyed the world in the first two seasons, and was the catalyst for destroying the world in the third (since they accidentally gave Harlan his powers).
someone make this man the writer of the show
Honestly, where to start? Ben and Jennifers undeveloped relationship and lack of chemistry, giving them all new powers but not bothering to explore/explain them (why was luther a monkey again?), mo explanation for sloan or ray, 5 and Diego not having a proper reconciliation after cheating with his wife or between allison and luther, the confusing hargreeves wife doppleganger subplot, luther turned into a big joke, the over the top cheesy end scene in the park where the turn into flowers. Are you kidding me? This makes the last season of GOT and Lost look like a masterpiece
I like the idea of the ending. I would just change one thing. The ending would have revealed rifts in reality showing all the other timelines. The reason for their being two Ben’s is because of Reginald’s perfect world. Reginald doesn’t know it at the beginning but by the end he has to kill the main timeline umbrella academy in order for their to be only one timeline, the one he created. The team finds another way to reset all the timelines and finish the apocalypse for good, but Reginald thinks that the only way to end the calamity and preserve his perfect world is with their death. Other versions of team members begin to show up from other timelines, along with other Reginald’s. All the Reginald’s fight the army of umbrella academy’s
Well planned 👏
I envisioned them all retiring in a time line of their choosing (as the Time Keeper use to say) but they all had to be separated as together they caused they apocalypse.
-Alison would be present day, pretty much how we seen the end of season 3.
-Klaus and Vik would be sixties but different timelines as they both had people they loved there.
-Luther and Sloane would be somewhere in the future travelling the world
-Five could be anywhere but an actual retirement, rocking chair on the porch kind of vibe
- Diego and Lila would run the commission as a family business
-Ben I also envisioned would have to die
I really didnt mind the ending of season 4. It felt appropriate, and an answer to all the hints about why there was an organization trying to let the end of the world happen, why old Five told current Five to not save the world. It felt like a necessary sacrifice that finally led to them being the heroes they were always trained to be.
What I minded was the five and a half episodes leading up to that. The regression of characters, the broken promise of having their full powers unrealized, the addition of uninteresting and rushed villains and protagonists, the plot holes, the unanswered questions, the cheesy unecessary scenes on a season that already felt so short on time. Almost every character was dumbed down and treated as a set piece to serve the plot, and thats what sucked the most to me.
Your version is a version I would have really enjoyed watching. You nailed it !
Addressing the main issues : why would the apocalypse be caused by these children out of the 43, why are some characters absent, the very purpose and ways of Reginald.
Bravo !
Glad you enjoyed the video!
We were so robbed from such a good ending for this show its one of my favorite in netflix, and I feel like it was suppose to go on for maybe atleast one more season since there were a lot of unaswered and unresolved things that they could've expanded on.
For me Five is still in that tiny teenage body so even though he's supposed to be old it looks weird seeing him kiss Lila. Aidan never really drastically grew. Like I don't remember seeing a new season and thinking "Wow, he's grown up!"
everything about this version works so much better
OMG THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! It ties everything together like the early seasons did! How is this not what season 4 was?! And seriously how the fuck did they never properly explain Hargreeves backstory????😊