I believe that for the future of the game skill-based reactionary combat will be more beneficial for garnering younger players to MMOs. Might be a hot take, but I don't think listening to older generation MMO players is necessarily a good idea. Hopefully Intrepid gives us that old MMO feel with updated combat.
bro exactly. reason why i play league over any mmo right now is the combat is just so much better and all the old players that played arenas in WoW back in the day all left to play league.
"Old gamers" - late 20s-early 30s - started on tab targeting/reactionary combat while we were teenagers lol. Action combat existed around our time, but the tab targeting won out because its better. I fully disagree with the idea that GenZ/A only like action combat, and that old gamers like tab targeting because we're old. Old gamers like tab targeting because back in our days the games were solid. New gamers don't like tab targeting because it's largely non-existent, and the ones that do exist are crappy for their own reasons.
The Ashes Apoc combat LOOKED SO GOOD. I can't believe they reverted to a 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 auto lock type of combat. It's going to be the same as every other game. You just avoid AoE markings on the ground by walking out of them, and if you're not fighting a mob that has "dodgeable" attacks, you just spam your optimal key rotation in a loop while watching a youtube video on the other monitor.
Listen what is important is that combat is deep with layers, and is tactical and thought provoking. Whether it is "skill based" or "tab target" it cannot be shallow like ESO or Guild Wars 2
I realy like the idea of both combat styles. Its good to tab target when in dougens and you need to lock onto things but its also good to have fun in the wild and just aimlessly target stuff lol
The answer is as long as it’s fun I enjoy even old school RuneScapes combat ever since I was young but I find some games with more flashy combat less fun. It really just goes down to how the combat feels add uniqueness to it
If they have a rock paper scissors combat system, I think it’s important that if ur better than a player playing a class that counters you, you should be able to win, and you should be able to out skill players who have better gear or are a higher level, action/reactive combat allows for this
I hope the rock paper scissor system acutely works. Because if it doesn’t we are going to have a meta of classes or a class running over the others. Now I can’t say much about this topic because i kinda don’t care about the early levels pvp. In my opinion true pvp starts after you pick your secondary archetype and complete yours class. Maybe augments can make a change in PvP
GW2 Is much Faster without any restriction to your movement during combat, plus combing spells together Is such a great layer to think about And to play with. Arrows flyying trough fire Field becomes fire arrows. Its Simple but IT makes totaly Sence. And dont forget in gw2 you dont have mana limit. I have been playing gw2 for 12 years And if there Is something what AoC Is still lacking for me. Its a flow of combat. From Most of the gameplay from streams i have seen. Characters feels very weak, your mana Is gone with few spells And your spells Are on big coldowns. So in matter of few seconds after the entering the combat they ended Up running Away from trash mob a kiting IT just to get ready one only avaiable spell to use which Will stop your movement and force you the get hit. Idk man. This feel much more like WoW where you kiting even a single Basic mob and drink mana potion between every kill. GW2 Is smack this And that And also that, run here And there jump,Dash, Dodge. Youuuu Are Constantly entertained by combat dance.
@@7onyga I think the “feeling weak” is partially because they want a bard to feel viable, which is why the mana regen was much better in the latest showcase
Tab or right-clicking the target is a way to hard lock. I would see myself using TAB since I don't want to chase things on the screen with a mouse like a "clicker" does. The problem might be that tab could select the wrong thing by cycling through random stuff and right clicking a player hiding in a sea of players would be difficult.
I'm interested on how large of a portion of DPS auto-attacking is. If it's large enough, i'm thinking of going with a Bard/fighter sword and board melee build. The Bard life steal song seemed so OP for long grinding sessions.
i hate that kind of balance. Where no matter what you do as a class there's a "counter" class. There should be benefits for 1 but it shouldn't be a hard counter. Every class should be able to kill another.
Good video, many AoC content creators don't talk about combat, which is Intrepid's weak point right now. As a young player, my preferences are clear, I'm a fan of action combat, and in my opinion target combat is obsolete for these times. If you want to create a modern MMOS, you have to implement modern systems, you can't rely on old MMOS, and that's the debate that Intrepid and Steven are trying to avoid. They're not going to attract young audiences with tab target combat, and for now almost all skills are target. Another thing, they changed the basic combat of the fighter, and that hurt me, because the melee attack demonstration from the 2022 live stream is the best they've shown. And they modified it to adapt it to target combat :C
And yet the current most popular 2 mmos are tab target, i think they are doing it right with a hybrid. Theres a reason FF14 and wow are the top mmo's. Archeage (which is one of the inspiration of aoc) was also hybrid tab target and the combat was so fast and satisfying. If their hybrid tab system is well done itll be great.
@@barnakatlantica3027 Yes, but we're not in 2024 where almost all games are action combat based, it's the future and hopefully it will be. I'm interested in how Intrepid will be able to attract young players used to fast-paced action combat, since AoC combat is quite simple and passive. It doesn't require a lot of skills to kill players, it's just a matter of selecting the target and pressing a key, quite boring in my opinion.
@@trojancs16 yes were in 2024 the same year that most popular mmo's are still tab targeting and most of the skill based are dead. I'm not saying i don't like skill-based game , or that your wrong for prefering it. Its just facts with mmo rankings that whats working the most is tab targeting mmo. the fact they make it hybrid to appeal a wider audience is good.
action combat is the way to go imo (except for healing lol) tab target requires 0 skill and makes 0 fun (for me at least) and i think any video game should require skill in some form especially having pvp
Combat needs to be action similar to new world that you have to actually have skills to do PVP or PVE at a high level. which tab has no skill at all just bad players. its an old idea for old games who couldnt even make skill based game because of tech issues.
I dont think this game has THAT speciality. I dont see it. It is going to die just like other mmos. Watch and see. I hope it is not actually I want lifestyle mmo too
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I believe that for the future of the game skill-based reactionary combat will be more beneficial for garnering younger players to MMOs. Might be a hot take, but I don't think listening to older generation MMO players is necessarily a good idea. Hopefully Intrepid gives us that old MMO feel with updated combat.
I wouldn’t say that is a hot take, I agree. Combat needs to be more than key rotations, and be engaging to players
bro exactly. reason why i play league over any mmo right now is the combat is just so much better and all the old players that played arenas in WoW back in the day all left to play league.
"Old gamers" - late 20s-early 30s - started on tab targeting/reactionary combat while we were teenagers lol. Action combat existed around our time, but the tab targeting won out because its better.
I fully disagree with the idea that GenZ/A only like action combat, and that old gamers like tab targeting because we're old. Old gamers like tab targeting because back in our days the games were solid. New gamers don't like tab targeting because it's largely non-existent, and the ones that do exist are crappy for their own reasons.
@@garysanders6091 its cause you are all old lol yall think avoiding swirlies is the hardest thing ever.
@@garysanders6091 "older" and yeah, I never said action combat. I said reaction and skill-based.
The Ashes Apoc combat LOOKED SO GOOD. I can't believe they reverted to a 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 auto lock type of combat. It's going to be the same as every other game. You just avoid AoE markings on the ground by walking out of them, and if you're not fighting a mob that has "dodgeable" attacks, you just spam your optimal key rotation in a loop while watching a youtube video on the other monitor.
I think the hybrid combat they got going on is interesting. Will make for some solid gameplay.
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with enough skills to chose you can lean into more tab or action across the hotbar, and make each character you play feel unique.
for pvp it will end up tab target, range with aoe skills.
Display of impact and significance each ability is giving when being used is what makes combat good.
Listen what is important is that combat is deep with layers, and is tactical and thought provoking. Whether it is "skill based" or "tab target" it cannot be shallow like ESO or Guild Wars 2
Appreciate you keeping up the effort that keeps this content coming. Nice video Ritchie. Genesis.
I appreciate the support as always friend!
8 years and still in alpha is crazyyy
I agree they should at least be in beta, possibly having a release date soon by now
@@ellescernot even in alpha
Alpha 1 was nothing
I realy like the idea of both combat styles. Its good to tab target when in dougens and you need to lock onto things but its also good to have fun in the wild and just aimlessly target stuff lol
The answer is as long as it’s fun I enjoy even old school RuneScapes combat ever since I was young but I find some games with more flashy combat less fun. It really just goes down to how the combat feels add uniqueness to it
100%. I also understand the RuneScape feel, lol. They someone made redundant tasks fun to do
If they have a rock paper scissors combat system, I think it’s important that if ur better than a player playing a class that counters you, you should be able to win, and you should be able to out skill players who have better gear or are a higher level, action/reactive combat allows for this
I hope the rock paper scissor system acutely works. Because if it doesn’t we are going to have a meta of classes or a class running over the others. Now I can’t say much about this topic because i kinda don’t care about the early levels pvp. In my opinion true pvp starts after you pick your secondary archetype and complete yours class. Maybe augments can make a change in PvP
Good video buddy!
Combat in ashes of creation is like GW 2s Combat with less dodging
They are pretty similar in ways
GW2 Is much Faster without any restriction to your movement during combat, plus combing spells together Is such a great layer to think about And to play with. Arrows flyying trough fire Field becomes fire arrows. Its Simple but IT makes totaly Sence. And dont forget in gw2 you dont have mana limit. I have been playing gw2 for 12 years And if there Is something what AoC Is still lacking for me. Its a flow of combat. From Most of the gameplay from streams i have seen. Characters feels very weak, your mana Is gone with few spells And your spells Are on big coldowns. So in matter of few seconds after the entering the combat they ended Up running Away from trash mob a kiting IT just to get ready one only avaiable spell to use which Will stop your movement and force you the get hit. Idk man. This feel much more like WoW where you kiting even a single Basic mob and drink mana potion between every kill.
GW2 Is smack this And that And also that, run here And there jump,Dash, Dodge. Youuuu Are Constantly entertained by combat dance.
@@7onyga I think the “feeling weak” is partially because they want a bard to feel viable, which is why the mana regen was much better in the latest showcase
@@RitchieSH i like the idea of useful / impactful support. I Hope open world solo leveling would be Fun as group content.
Tab or right-clicking the target is a way to hard lock. I would see myself using TAB since I don't want to chase things on the screen with a mouse like a "clicker" does. The problem might be that tab could select the wrong thing by cycling through random stuff and right clicking a player hiding in a sea of players would be difficult.
good job brother!
Thank you!
Correction : they have an autoattack now since thr bard showcase.
I'm interested on how large of a portion of DPS auto-attacking is. If it's large enough, i'm thinking of going with a Bard/fighter sword and board melee build.
The Bard life steal song seemed so OP for long grinding sessions.
I could be wrong, but I feel like the base/auto attack will be significant. The mage even has abilities that amplify the base attack
@@RitchieSH there is a whole skill tree around weapons that will affect it
so itll most likely be huge
i hate that kind of balance. Where no matter what you do as a class there's a "counter" class. There should be benefits for 1 but it shouldn't be a hard counter. Every class should be able to kill another.
Good video, many AoC content creators don't talk about combat, which is Intrepid's weak point right now. As a young player, my preferences are clear, I'm a fan of action combat, and in my opinion target combat is obsolete for these times. If you want to create a modern MMOS, you have to implement modern systems, you can't rely on old MMOS, and that's the debate that Intrepid and Steven are trying to avoid. They're not going to attract young audiences with tab target combat, and for now almost all skills are target.
Another thing, they changed the basic combat of the fighter, and that hurt me, because the melee attack demonstration from the 2022 live stream is the best they've shown. And they modified it to adapt it to target combat :C
And yet the current most popular 2 mmos are tab target, i think they are doing it right with a hybrid. Theres a reason FF14 and wow are the top mmo's. Archeage (which is one of the inspiration of aoc) was also hybrid tab target and the combat was so fast and satisfying. If their hybrid tab system is well done itll be great.
@@barnakatlantica3027 Yes, but we're not in 2024 where almost all games are action combat based, it's the future and hopefully it will be. I'm interested in how Intrepid will be able to attract young players used to fast-paced action combat, since AoC combat is quite simple and passive. It doesn't require a lot of skills to kill players, it's just a matter of selecting the target and pressing a key, quite boring in my opinion.
@@trojancs16 yes were in 2024 the same year that most popular mmo's are still tab targeting and most of the skill based are dead. I'm not saying i don't like skill-based game , or that your wrong for prefering it. Its just facts with mmo rankings that whats working the most is tab targeting mmo. the fact they make it hybrid to appeal a wider audience is good.
Is this game ever going to come out?
hopefully :(
but this combat is similar to throne and liberty.. ain't it
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action combat is the way to go imo (except for healing lol)
tab target requires 0 skill and makes 0 fun (for me at least) and i think any video game should require skill in some form especially having pvp
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Combat needs to be action similar to new world that you have to actually have skills to do PVP or PVE at a high level. which tab has no skill at all just bad players. its an old idea for old games who couldnt even make skill based game because of tech issues.
I dont think this game has THAT speciality. I dont see it. It is going to die just like other mmos. Watch and see. I hope it is not actually I want lifestyle mmo too
I'm almost to the point of just getting sick of hearing about combat....they're giving us both...play how you wan to play.
tis very true!
They are NOT giving us both. And by your comment i can tell you are a dogshit skilless tab targeter
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Tab target combat and the low time to kill is very dissappointing
Copy paste GW2 combat but in slower