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Swather Showdown: MF vs NH
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All I can say Bale, is HIRE A FULL TIME EXPERIENCED MECHANIC for this new fleet, and all your other equipment. Your gonna need it to keep things running even moderately smooth!
You hit right on the head... when you lightly commented on drivers (for your future trucking gig)........ that will be the constant challenge.... good luck to you...
30 mph down the road sounds crazy!
Looks like a nice machine. I just went from Deere to Case self propelled rotary and really like the change. Older machines than this though.
Seeing you toss those bales on the truck from the stack that you forgot reminds me of my youth in a small farming community in Indiana. I would hire out in summer while in high school and bale hay for the local farmers. Of course back then (60 years ago) we pulled a hay wagon behind the baler with a rack on the back of the wagon to keep the bales from falling off the back. As I was going to be riding the wagon, I would ask the farmer how he wanted the hay stacked on the wagon. For hay, it was usually "5 high with a tie", for straw it was 6 high, though one or two ask for 7 high with straw.
As the farmer drove the tractor, pulling the baler, pulling the wagon where I was located it got exciting at times. I had to pull the bales out of the chute, carry them to the back of the wagon and manually stack them. Of course there was always loose hay on the floor of the wagon which made the footing somewhat unsure. Also, being in Indiana the fields were not as flat as they are in Arizona which added an additional dimension to the task. As the fields were somewhat smaller, the farmer would often rake the fields around the corner in a somewhat circular fashion instead of long straight rows. This meant the we would still be baling as the farmer went around the corner. This also meant that the next bale was being spit out when the tractor, baler and wagon were out of alignment and I would have to stand on the front corner of the wagon and grab it when it was about 2 feet away from the side of the wagon and bring it in. Ah yes, good times!!!
As I was 5'8" and weighed maybe 155lbs soaking wet, it got exciting at times. I don't know how much the bales weigh today but back then they were about 1/2 my body weight plus or minus. I did wind up with excellent upper body strength though! ;-)
Back when life was easy.
Very nice New Holland Self-Propelled mower demo and tour of the upgraded mechanics.....makes me want to buy one!
We ran New Holland self propelled swathers back in the 70's on a custom hay crew. If I remember right we drove about 12 mph. Also had NH self propelled balers and a bale wagon. They all ran very well. Thanks
Back then, I bet 12 mph on the road. More like 4 to 6 in the field
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch may have been it has been quite a few years since then. Have a great day.
1 thing though is you can’t out condition Massey cutters. I specifically remember cutting our crop on the same day as our neighbors. We have 16ft on 9635 they have a 16ft on a macdon. Our hay was raked 2 days earlier. And our first bale was made 3 days before there first. Our crop was actually heavier then there’s too. Keep in mind this 2x the height/yield of crop then in the video. The premo cutters around here in southern ab is a Massey hay cutter. The biggest of hay producers around here use Massey cutter only for the conditioning ability. I’m not sure if you know hubkas or green prairie. Speed of cutting doesn’t matter for us it’s how fast you can have it raked and into a bale and in the shed
Literally made me lol at the “shooting them in the face” and “people are dumb” lines. Epic.
Prsga
We have a 9770 Massey and when I got into 3.5 ton pluss grass I couldn't cut it with new knives and max header speed. Used my neighbors NH hw365 and cut it at 7 mph no problem. That 416 with the auger had no trouble in the grass. In alfalfa though Massey for sure! Great video
Have you tried tightening the conditioner rollers? Or loosening them? I know that helps quite a bit, and if the grade of cut isn't clean enough, or low enough to the ground for you. You can try adjusting the skid plates located by the joint housing there where you lift the lids up to grease the bearings.
And sometimes, full speed isn't the answer either! Sometimes it's too much pressure on the internal for the machine to try to eat all at once.
Hope this helps...
Speed as in, rotary speed.
@@ivanraysevy3294 I put on new accelerator roll augers and all new knives and it cut like a dream this year. Those razor bars need everything new for grass it seems. I appreciate all the help!
Good review, very informative. The salesman did address your concern and did not appear to shy away from it. You commented about the edges.
Congrats on the truck purchases. Hope you can find drivers we can't here in Montana. No one wants to work anymore.
Way neat video. The cameras showing how the header works was a great idea.
If I had a CDL I would come to Arizona and help you guys haul hay for the summer
I’ve ran a new Holland for a couple years a decade ago. That thing looks lovely, new Holland is really stepping up their game.
I can send Jason out to run semis!!! Lol 😆 but I’ll need him back come April
Welcome to the trucking world. It has its pros and cons. You have more control when you own your own trucks but you also have more headaches such as matinance and keeping them road worthy.
Drivers are hard to come by these days. I am here if you have some questions. Not saying I will have all the answers tho. Good luck.
Really liked the video hope you keep them coming .
Way back when we were haystacking our windrows were half as wide and four times as tall.
We used Hesston 60A tine pickup Stack Hands.
Hello from Moosomin ,Saskatchewan, Canada Great videos thanks for sharing.
Looks like CNH has been reading the AGCO playbook - the electronically-controlled hydro pumps and the overall rear axle design are like what Massey windrowers have been using for ten years.
Massey couldn't make a windrower on its best day, it's a Hesston
Just curious have you ever considered a triple mower or dedicated Mower like a krone big m and what’s the advantage of a swather for your farm
I was wondering the same thing the farm I used to work on got rid of swathers for a Big M and the one Big M did the work of three swathers.
Around our area they are only used in greenchop.
Probably a problem of dealer and machine/parts service in his area. Krone has a pretty shitty dealer network compared to JD or Case IH.
Swathers are almost always equipped with crimper rollers. The are rubber or steel rollers that crush the stem of the crop as it passes through, which helps the crop lose moisture faster, meaning they can bale sooner. Triple mowers will often not have conditioners, or they will use flail conditioners which beat the crop into smaller pieces to do very fast drying before chopping. Flail conditioners are not used in hay because they are too rough on the crop, and it makes a poor looking bale.
The Krone Big M has no conditioners, meaning they would need an extra pass over the field with a crimper or tedder to help dry, which is more money in the tank. In addition, a Swather is made to run at high speeds for extended periods of time, and even to be roaded often. This helps with wear on the machine, and it makes for a more comfortable operating experience.
@@thejimmyjob8052 yes you can get conditioners on the big M's
Shoot I get nervous driving 7 miles an hour swathing. Although it’s not irrigated land, can find gopher mounds, frost can push football sized rocks up and out, & we know where the boulders are sticking out roughly. Although just 2 years ago we found a homestead well casing about 12” in diameter that we had been missing last 6 years.
The old Massey left a little more raised edge, Always been a NH guy. With that being said the old Massey small Sq balers and their feed system was better until their patent ran dry, then starting with the NH 575 balers I believe the NH came out ahead. Our first self propelled swather was what we called a crazy wheel. they still work the best for a sickle mower in grass hay.
Heston balers will always be on top over any other they make the best bake and are kept simple. NH and krone ECT are all over complicated
I work at a Golf Course in MN during the summer and we went from Hydraulic gangs on our fairway mower to Electric gangs. Only difference I have seen in two years is with the hydraulics you worry about a hose breaking and killing grass. With an electric unit if there is any sensor issues the mower is moot until you find a "golf course electrician" :-)
"Dan-Sauerfoss drives"? Must be new. I've only heard of Sauer-Danfoss drives 😅. He was obviously nervous. Nice machine but I'd probably stay with what you know. I didn't see any big advantage, unless it's price.
the old old pumps used to be mechanical drive. now there fly by wire.
Makes a better controlled ground drive when running auto guidance. Plus it can change the steering ratio between road and field with the flip of a switch
Pretty kool ur buying more trucks im excited to see that adventure and that demo is sweet good luck with everything
I’m not!! Sounds like more headaches!! Lol.
Damn wish i were farming eith y'all, I remember the first time when I was plowing I made about 10 rounds raised one of the side was missing whole row disc
Yo, but the New Holland maybehas new sharp knives and the Massey blunt knives?
That's a wild dream what you eat before you went to bed lol. Sounds like some Caddy Shack stuff.
That dream sounds like fun maybe next time invite me
Great day on you tube. I saw swather races and telehandler races!! Lol
I’d be curious on the New Holland about how easy to do maintenance. Still a sweet looking machine.
Have you considered MacDon? They have some cool features like when you go down the road. Back end first.
Lol maybe there will be a trend of racing things. Have a good day.
Mac don is the king around here 9/10 windrowers are macdon or deere which is still macdon
@@mathewmerkl576 Funny never have heard of, the name alone sounds unfortunately like a crap machine
Thanks Treavor for an interesting video. You taking us along to look over the new swather by New Holland was extremely interesting. Was quite interesting seeing and hearing about the updates and new design of the machine. I must admit that the windrow it laid down was very smooth and even cut. Now I am not a hay person so I say that just looking at it. Seeing the inside of the machine was interesting. Seeing the rubber tubes that squeeze the hay moisture down was new to me. Always wondered how they did that. When those knifes are running, boy that is a high speed situation. 18mph cutting is pretty darn good. Wow. Nice machine. What would a standard machine like that cost??? Is the cab quiet??? The cab and controls I assume are about the same. You said one of your operators used the demo machine. What did he think of it compared to his current machine????? Stay away from the gophers-ha. Leaving a stack in the field-probably have to dock your pay. Many thanks for your time doing this. I found it really interesting. Looking forward to the next video. Thanks. The Iowa farm boy from years ago.
I'm impressed how fast they go!!!! Looked like 60 mile an hour on the video 😆!!!
👍 Great video! Good job making the demo interesting.
18 mph cutting speed? Holy cow! That new "turtle" cutter header is amazing. I only drove sickle bar headers. Nowhere near as fast and clean as the turtle. And I hated breaking a tooth and leaving a strip down the field and fixing it in the field. :-( Also, love the family and company name. Do you sell merchandise to the public?
That new Holland did a great job making a neat and uniformed swath. Looks like it could be a contender in the future. It's always good when they demo and listen to feedback on what farmers need for consistent dry down. Great video and see you next time
Those big Gophers you're talkin about , we call them prairie dogs up here in North Dakota. After years of trying to eradicate them, now the government has protected them. I don't have nightmares about it but it's a little frustrating. Too bad we can't ship them to where they live and then they can worry about the plague they carry. Obtw, it would be great to be one of your semi drivers but at my age of 70 , with the poor circulation in my lower extremities. Also with that enlarged heart skipping a Beat, when I'm sitting in a seat , it doesn't do it when I walk down the street. It seems to keep the doctors from signing my medical sheet!
Isn’t a Krone Big M better for your operarion?
Krone’s always at the top of the forage game 😎
I was wondering the same thing
No they don't condition hay well and the 10 foot window is hard to take.
@@delbutler885 they worked great for the farm I worked on one machine did the job of 2 plus swathers and we would lay the hay flat over the entire cutting width and rake it so it would dry quicker
Can you get steel rollers though!
@@delbutler885 are you stupid? Big M is like using an Airplane vs. Driving 🚗 a car.
Being a big rig owner is gonna bring it's own set of problems but you can work through them
The problem is finding drivers worth a darn and keeping them long term.
Love the new equipment but if ain't broke don't fix it.
Great video. 😎👍👌
Yes everyone loves def.
They should let onelonelyfarmer test it out
Semi's= always something to fix...Up north here we always call them Haybines disc or sickle....Swathers have canvases and are used to cut grain;)
Cool story!
Ask your friend to keep an eye out for a springer for me. Lost my best friend to old age a while back.
A new and improved no rower
Man if I would go work for you if I could I drive retriever truck for star milling Co but without cdl it's along distance!
We had a new Holland small baler 50 years ago Then we had n h big baler in the early eighties
Idk your email but that's my dream job but in 16 in calexico California but if I'm working on a farm i don't need a cdl and i can only go 120 miles into the next state
A single airbag with 4 link suspension it will bounce at high field speeds
I wonder if that’s the same head they put on the hydro swing mowers
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220 plus. I think that pretty close to what they cost now !😳 you sure you should be combining that alfalfa instead if swathing and bale it. 😃 we demo it for 3 days it’s a good machine.
175k
Great video that was a beautiful machine!!!!
Car seat in the back, seat belt over left shoulder?
Huh?
After growing up in New Holland 1112 and 1116s I would never own another NH no matter what they’ve improved now! Looks like NH has pretty much just copied the Massey with the dual hydraulic pumps. We’ve been really happy with the Massey Razor Bar headers and double conditioners. They do kinda suck in heavy short grass though The new MacDon heads are pretty good in that regard but still don’t cut as clean in my opinion. Massey dumbed down the TopCon GPS and it flat sucks without RTK. Probably not as big a problem with straight swaths compared to pivots
Hesston, Massey couldn't build a windrower if it tried
The thumbnail picture made me laugh. There’s no way a new Holland can put cut or out perform a razorbar hesston. Just know way. I’ve drove both and ran with both in the same field. Nothing out cuts nor out performs Hesston.
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I could say the same thing in favor of New Holland……please Post a video showing the Hesston outperforming the competition …..proof is in the pudding
You had a caddie shack dream!!
Yes I do
Hello interesting video. That kinda speed is unbelievable but it does not give any consideration for animals in the field and that should be your concern also whether you think you need thouse elements or not you need them. What's your view as a shepherd of the land? I like making hay I enjoy it. Have a good day.
Because we are in and out of these fields 10 to 12 times a year, there aren’t really animals living out there. Gophers underground. Sometimes coyotes, but they don’t like getting close. That’s pretty much it. I hate gophers. I kill as many of them as possible.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch I got the drift of that your Video your not happy with the gophers lol. Once you cut field it be a good day with a 270 go hunting gophers. I understand the whole thing time is money
@@jamesmorrison1884 A 270? You're kidding, right??!!
@@MilkMan608 30.06 would be better your right or a 300 mag or 22 magnum there all nice to shoot gophers
im running a massey triple mower on a 936 fendt, spring tooth conditioner, im dropping 30 feet at 14 mph its banging, neighbors got nothing on it
now that i see your crop, i could move much faster, my crop is 3 or 4 times bigger
Nice!
I’ll come haul hay where there’s nice roads and no snow lol
No snow! But 117 degree days.
Demo New Holland v. older Agco/Massey 🤔😉...so, New Holland is experimenting to catch up🙃
Have you ever considered getting triple mowers
Yep.
Love the gopher story hilarious dream.
I love my NH HW340 16ft discmower, at 2,500hrs just done the header pump rebuild and now the turtle gearboxes are starting to go, 3 done and 9 to go at $350 cdn each. Man that 30mph sounds like a squirrel on RedBull
2 of the best days in my life were the days when our New Holland HW340 windrowers became Massey's and when the Massey's became John Deere W235's
@@delbutler885 best thing John Deere ever did was partner up with MacDon, if I’m getting out of my HW it’ll be into an M205
Piper Doug. No Mc Don. for me. No real dealer network in our area. We are going to all Deere just because of parts availability.
I know more than you guys, just wanted to see how you were presenting new machines!
@@nickmertens7788 congratulations!!
I’d be there if I lived that way bud. 👍🇬🇧🇺🇸
Are you considering buying the New Holland
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Can I have what you have before bed!!!!
I’d come drive but idk if I can handle the heat
What happens when that swather hits a gopher or other animal? Does the carcass go into the bale?
Depends if the rake gets it, and the baler too. But sometimes.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch Hmmm... That would mean that this potentially happens with other crops too.
If only the vegans would realize the number of animals that die during the production of their animal free food!
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch Thanks for the videos. I am a farmer wanna be!
@@sbeasley7585 thanks for watching! Every view counts!
How wide is that new Holland swather?
16 maybe?
Where you from imma go to truck driving school first year
Humm, you think you're dream gophers are big? Muh gophers not only drug in a sofa into their hole, but also a mini fridge. And for me, that was the last straw for them uppity gophers. So I had to go out and buy a flamethrower. Oddly enough it's perfectly legal; not to mention downright flame-throwing awesomeness and fun.
BTW: The New Holland windrower looks like it's doing a great job.
Windrower? Is that even a word?
Hard pick, both make great machines.
Bring out a Deere. The W235 makes them both look sick.
@@delbutler885 I agree! Deere is quiet and powerful and lays the crop out flat like a pancake
Stinking Deere, how many thousands of gallons of diesel per hour do they burn. Gotta be a better alternative than Deere.
Gordon Van Patten your ignorance is showing. Side by side the Deere gets more done. Less gallons of fuel per acre. The Deere is by far the best machine.Plus superior parts and service availability.
need drivers like me Trevor, who can drivem and can fixem. Exactly correct. Some one who can fix them CORECTLY. that is the one tiny word CORRECTLY. sorta how i tell it, A Driver who can get from "A" to "B" with out any service trucks fallowing them, and getting Home to "A" with out a 20,000 repair bill required before next trip. or possibly a truck laying on it's LID. The worst of the worst is todays trucks with their ELLECTRONIC Night Mares. as far as i am concerned COMPUTERS are made to sit in a dry heat controled HOUSE not on wheels in possibility of rain snow blistering hotness freezing cold ect ect.
Rubber roller suck I already see a big cut and split a brand new one on the new Holland steel on steel is the only way to go brother
Are immigrants coming across the border affecting things in your area ?
Not us. Nope!
Looks like the New Holland is still leaving streaks in the windrow.
How much is the price of the alfalfa scissors?
do you guys run autosteer on those swathers?
We do not. Some guys do.
Call George Mertens, he'll help you engineer or test it
umm all looks prity god but dont think much to those alloy pumps can see short working life been pushed like that
Massey all the way
Didn't you just get 3'' of rain, I know your in the dessert 3'' disappears that fast? WOW
That gopher dream though...🤣😂🤣😂 Stay Golden! 💪🇺🇲👍
Can’t even order a NH swather with a steel on steel roller crimped either.
I wish they would have compared crimp quality. I feel the twin max gets the fluffy criss cross pattern the NH dude was trying to talk up.
18 mph? I don’t have a field that I can even drive 10 mph.
What kinda pay you have for a driver
I want to get my CDL and I would love to drive for you guys
Are you local? It’s wild around here!
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch yes sir I can I live in Buckeye at 259 and bell
Massey ferguson rule!!!
Enough said.
I agree 😉
I want to see them cut cattails
What do they sell for ??????
I don’t know. We got the offer from them, but I don’t remember.
What RPM are The Cutter Heads Running?
Alfalfa is around 2000-2250 and beremuda and Kline grass and other thick crops like Sudan are 2500 which is the max rpm for any cutter
I hope that unit has been used a lot. The rollers look shot.
Maybe ROUS's...
hell yeah id come be a truck driver lol
damn new holland really seems to taken alot of advice from Onelonleyfarmer
Angus 420. One lonely farmer runs the best machine. He runs a Deere. Nuff said.
@@delbutler885 🤣do either of you cut hay or just use what you hear
Not a new Holland fan but it looks good
Justin Whitley yes we cut hay. We put up over 30,000 tons a year. Have done since the 1990"s. I've sold hay in every state west of the Mississippi and 7 foreign countries. I started cutting hay in 1969 with a Massey 36. New Holland 910, 912, 1112, 1114, 1116, 1118, 2550, HW 340. Then we went Heston / Massey self propelled and rotary pull type. Now we are running John Deere 235 and C500 pull type. I've tried the Krone triple mower and don't like the machine or dealer. Mostly the dealership.
Gotta love the new hydraulic machinery .... it's just glorified logsplitters lol so much easier to work on
Where's your hay hooks?
Don’t use them.
rattle snakes are tasty dinner... not sure if you can eat gophers... but if one get hungry enough..
I’ll come drive for you
Let me know
adding gasoline to the fire...or diesel ?!?
Lol.
U can if u look closely
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